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Thursday, 04.07.2013.

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Serbs set up Assembly of Kosovo and Metohija

The Provisional Assembly of Kosovo and Metohija has been constituted on Thursday in Zvečan, a Serb municipality in northern Kosovo.

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icj1

pre 10 godina

You should go visit your eye doctor cuz you completely missed what I wrote in the first part whre I said serbia is internationally recognized as the successor state to the federal republic of yugoslavia, ergo in the quote it refers to the republic of serbia in the present as it does with all other treaties and agreements like dayton ..
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Who disputed that Serbia is Yugoslavia’s successor – I assumed that?!… So, again, before I waste my money to visit my optometrist, can you please show where what you cited says that “Kosovo is Yugoslavia” word-for-word?!
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really you albanians don't want 1244 removed, is that why thaci was begging the un security council a couple of weeks ago to get rid of it
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Show me the resolution introduced by anybody to remove 1244 ? Rest assured my friend that Albanians, Serbs, Americans, Chinese, Russian, are all for 1244 to be there forever (Kosovo even included it in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution; Serbia did not). Don’t hold your breath on 1244 being removed anytime soon or ever.
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and don't wrry 1244 allows for the serb army to return and trust me they will and albamians will be running for the hills once they do ...
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Of course it allows for an “agreed” number. Let us now when that number is agreed :)

icj1

pre 10 godina

kosovo is at best a disputed territory that legally is still part of Serbia
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Of course; Kosovo is disputed by Serbia the same way that Serbia is disputed by Kosovo. But don't panick; that's normal - everything in the world is disputed by somebody somewhere. And yes, you are correct that according to Serbia’s law, Kosovo is part of Serbia.
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and the un can attest to that which is why those us companies a couple of weeks ago were negotiating with the serb govt about the trepeca mines in kosovo ...
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Of course the UN *CAN* attest it if it chooses to do so… let us know when it *DOES* indeed attest it. There are many things that can, may or might be done; it does not mean they will necessarily be done.
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srry to break it to you but kosovo hasn't done anything or gone anywhere in 14+ years as it will remain in a stalemate until the serbs retake control of it once the west leaves, just look at bosnia and how the serbs are controlling everything there
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Of course, we know that Serbs are very patient, heroic and macho people who are the center of the universe and control the world…. I’m sure nobody has any objection for the Serbian army to return to Kosovo in 600 years, assuming, of course, that 1244 is no longer in force by then. And even if 1244 is still in force by then, guess what, Serbs have no problem waiting for other 600 years and so on :)... good luck to you

icj1

pre 10 godina

really what international orginizations are you part of???
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

I am no part of int'l organizations because they don’t accept individuals.
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The imf and the world bank don't count cuz they are financial instituions rather than international organizations and kosovo ain't part of any, srry to break it to you ...
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Sure, of course… anything that accepts Kosovo as a member does not count anymore as an international organization. Why ? Because a certain Alex said so :) The Encyclopedia Britannica thinks otherwise together with that great nation of Russia http://www.un.org/esa/ffd/economicgovernance/67ga/RussianFederation.pdf (page 4, penultimate paragraph).
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really kosovo is a country since when???
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Kosovo is country for each individual country since when each individual country recognized it as such. Unfortunately they didn't ask Serbia's permission
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Funny I don't see it as a member of the un nor did I see it at the olympics or for that matter any sporting event ...
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Indeed it’s funny because none of the above recognizes countries. The UN itself says that they are not in the business of recognizing countries; only countries recognize other countries. Sorry mate to break you the news that no country in the world (Serbia included) has ever been or will ever be recognized by the UN (if and until the UN charter changes).

Aleks

pre 10 godina

@icji

You should go visit your eye doctor cuz you completely missed what I wrote in the first part whre I said serbia is internationally recognized as the successor state to the federal republic of yugoslavia, ergo in the quote it refers to the republic of serbia in the present as it does with all other treaties and agreements like dayton .. really you albanians don't want 1244 removed, is that why thaci was begging the un security council a couple of weeks ago to get rid of it, and don't wrry 1244 allows for the serb army to return and trust me they will and albamians will be running for the hills once they do ... really what international orginizations are you part of??? The imf and the world bank don't count cuz they are financial instituions rather than international organizations and kosovo ain't part of any, srry to break it to you ... really kosovo is a country since when??? Funny I don't see it as a member of the un nor did I see it at the olympics or for that matter any sporting event ... kosovo is at best a disputed territory that legally is still part of serbia and the un can attest to that which is why those us companies a couple of weeks ago were negotiating with the serb govt about the trepeca mines in kosovo ... srry to break it to you but kosovo hasn't done anything or gone anywhere in 14+ years as it will remain in a stalemate until the serbs retake control of it once the west leaves, just look at bosnia and how the serbs are controlling everything there

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Fellow Australian-Serb, Craig Jurisevic has done a lot to help the people of Kosovo, more than you ever possibly can.
(Ian, UK, 5 July 2013 14:31)
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Is this guy a Serb???? Since when?

Peggy

pre 10 godina

North of Kosova is Kosova.
If Serbian no like, take a next train to Serbia!
(Adem, 5 July 2013 18:45)
===========================
South of Kosovo is Serbia. If Albanians no like, take next donkey to Albania.

icj1

pre 10 godina

"it says it in the resolution 1244 word for word:
"Reaffirm the commitment of UN member states to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act""
(Aleks, 5 July 2013 00:45)

Very nice quote... But where does it say word for word that "Kosovo is part of Serbia" ?! Just wanted to confirm before I waste my money to visit my optometrist
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that is why you albanians along with the americans are so desperate to try and replace or get rid of it because this reaffirms serbia's territorial integrity and sovereignty ..
(Aleks, 5 July 2013 00:45)

Albanians trying to replace 1244 ?! Without 1244 there is nothing to prevent the Serbian army to return to Kosovo. Without 1244 Kosovo customs cannot collect customs duties at Kosovo's boundary with Serbia. Rest assured my friend that 1244 will be in force for a long time.
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but this will never happen as china and russia both have veto power
(Aleks, 5 July 2013 00:45)

Glad to see that Russia and China also agree with the Albanians on that.
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and why you'll never become a member in any international organizations or even be considered a country
(Aleks, 5 July 2013 00:45)

Kosovo is already part of many international organizations and is already recognized as a country by the majority of the countries. Sorry my friend to break you the news from the last 5+ years :)

aaayyy

pre 10 godina

I thought they already set up a powerless Micky Mouse "Assembly" in 2008?
(Ian, UK, 5 July 2013 12:37)

Why are you against Northern Kosovo Serbs so much? Wasn't it you who said that Northern Kosovo should have belonged to Serbia de facto?

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

Mate I think you're living in a land of fairytales if you believe the urban myth stories of Craig!
Talk some dribble somewhere else next time.
(Macca from Oz, 5 July 2013 15:21)

You don't like what he has to say (especially as he was actually there), therefore you dismiss it as being a "myth". How did you ever come up with such an intellectual argument?

I think next time you should try a little harder, instead of using the immature "I don't like it therefore it's a lie" argument.

Macca from Oz

pre 10 godina

@Ian,
Mate I think you're living in a land of fairytales if you believe the urban myth stories of Craig!
Talk some dribble somewhere else next time.

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

Ian, or did you mean the ' Donald Duck ' assembly of ' Prishtina '??
How's the Thatcher picture going? Still hanging in the reception room?
(we invented bangers and mash, 5 July 2013 13:34)

At least the Donald Duck Assembly in Pristina is internationally recognised as legitimate and it actually has power and authority.

The picture of Thatcher is still being used as a Darts Board.

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And the Albanians cannot do a thing about it either LOL, LOL, LOL. I can’t stop laughing at how my brethren are screwing with the Europeans and no one can lift a finger against them. The Serb Diaspora is with you so stay strong as if I needed to even mention that.
(sj, 5 July 2013 13:30)

Northern Kosovo is de facto apart of Serbia and so it should be as that is what they want. They might be "screwing with the Europeans" but they are also screwing with Serbia.

What is it exactly the mighty Serb Diaspora have done to assist them? What have you done, other than write comments on B92 in their 'support'? Fellow Australian-Serb, Craig Jurisevic has done a lot to help the people of Kosovo, more than you ever possibly can.

Danilo

pre 10 godina

(Defrim Begaj, Tirana, 5 July 2013 13:01)

sorry to break it to you, but according to my experience internet service is better in Albania (albeit considerably more expensive) than in Serbia for the most part. better ping, jitter, bandwidth, customer service, everything. could be because fewer people are using it.

we invented bangers and mash

pre 10 godina

Ian, or did you mean the ' Donald Duck ' assembly of ' Prishtina '??
How's the Thatcher picture going? Still hanging in the reception room?

sj

pre 10 godina

And the Albanians cannot do a thing about it either LOL, LOL, LOL. I can’t stop laughing at how my brethren are screwing with the Europeans and no one can lift a finger against them. The Serb Diaspora is with you so stay strong as if I needed to even mention that.

Defrim Begaj, Tirana

pre 10 godina

I've had to travel to Belgrade just so I could post this comment. We have no internet connection where I am from. One day I hope we also have a website of our own, who knows maybe in 10000 years.
Peace to you all

Alexander Neu

pre 10 godina

Congratulation to the Serbs of the four municipalities. You are purchased and betrayed by your own government for nothing. EU Accession is promised. But when, in 10 years, in 20 years. Who knows wether EU continues to exist in 5 Years. An even when, what ist EU? It ist primarily an ideology. It promised better life and so on. Please Serbia look to your EU-neighbours how brillant their life is. To sell a part of a country as a condition to enter a organisation tells a lot about the organisations charakter and tells a lot of the spirit of the serbian political class. The only heroes are the Serbs in the South West of Serbia (Lepsavic, Zubin Potok, Zvecan and North Mitrovica). They defend not only the serbian state and constitution they defend also international law. Shame on the serbian government.
Serbia, welcome in the club of colonies and vassals!!

just a thought

pre 10 godina

Wow 97 deputies, thats pretty good every family will be represented in the govt.
Now the EU needs to decide since this was intentionally not done until after the 28th but apparently planned way before it, did Serbia intentionally deceive the EU in order to try and get a date? Is Serbia funding this new govt? That would be a 2nd violation of the agreement. And all the posters here criticizing Germany, they knew what they were dealing with and now the rest of the EU nations are probably sending flowers to Angela for keeping them from looking so foolish.

One has to wonder what the recognized govt elected by the Albanian minority in the north will be spending that 3 million euros that has been established on, as it will not be going to also all the customs set aside for the north will go to the govt established in legitimate elections and not this group.

the truth

pre 10 godina

Contrary to those who keep saying northern Kosovo is "lawless", I think its over saturated with law. Albeit conflicting law, but law that makes this the most democratic piece of land on Earth: where else can one pick from a list of options the government they want? :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 4 July 2013 18:56)

from a list of options the planet they want to live?

sj

pre 10 godina

1244 does not say that Kosova is part of Serbia, but former Yugo. I suggest these clowns read the original version of 1244, which is written in English and not sloppy translation into Serbian language.
(the truth, 4 July 2013 17:09)

Ahh but the UN recognises that Serbia is the rightfull successor to the former Yugoslavia. Now go back and read you 1244 – that’s if you can read English.

Shoot your own foot! Ok, Thanks.

pre 10 godina

Well, here's the interesting part. These guys will celebrate 4th of July same as American's do celebrate their own independence.

Another interesting part is that this is good news. For Kosovo that is.

Aleks

pre 10 godina

@the truth

we are reading the resolution in english, you are the ones that have a problem understanding something, considering you albanians are completely clueless and have no educational system to teach you anything but to be criminals that are involved in organized crime ... serbia was internationally recognized as the successor state to the former yugoslavia after it ceased to exist in 2003 and then again in 2006 after montenegro left .. its considered the successor state cuz all the other states left and serbia was the only one to remain, ergo when it says federal republic of yugoslavia in the resolution, it refers to the republic of serbia in the current time period

it says it in the resolution 1244 word for word:

"Reaffirm the commitment of UN member states to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act"

that is why you albanians along with the americans are so desperate to try and replace or get rid of it because this reaffirms serbia's territorial integrity and sovereignty .. but this will never happen as china and russia both have veto power and why you'll never become a member in any international organizations or even be considered a country

a New Day

pre 10 godina

(Balkan Anthropologist, 4 July 2013 18:56)
The question is where will the money come from?? If it comes from Belgrade then they have major portions of the agreement and they will suffer huge financial losses from what they have been expecting from the EU. It will not come through Pristina as they will not recognize it. International donations would flow through the UN and sit in an office somewhere as UNMIK will not recognize it. Could be a cold winter in the north.

the truth

pre 10 godina

I wish they were able to split the north, it was the best solution, the north will be Serbia the south will be Kosovo Republic, Albanians will get what they want, ie: recognition, UN membership. Serbs will get what they want and everyone will be happy, but what shall we say, Americans said "No change in borders"! They decide for the world unfortunately.
(Ivan, 4 July 2013 16:58)

I agree with you, but you forgot to add Presheva to Kosova as an exchange of territory.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

By my count, that now technically makes three governments that are claiming to run the north. We've got those Serbs supported by Belgrade, those Serbs who broke away from Belgrade, and some half-assed attempt by Pristina at getting attention with an empty office or two.

Contrary to those who keep saying northern Kosovo is "lawless", I think its over saturated with law. Albeit conflicting law, but law that makes this the most democratic piece of land on Earth: where else can one pick from a list of options the government they want? :)

the truth

pre 10 godina

international law, the UN Charter and Resolution 1244 on Kosovo as part of the Serbia must be respected, when it comes to Serbia, as well as other countries.


1244 does not say that Kosova is part of Serbia, but former Yugo. I suggest these clowns read the original version of 1244, which is written in English and not sloppy translation into Serbian language.

Ivan

pre 10 godina

I wish they were able to split the north, it was the best solution, the north will be Serbia the south will be Kosovo Republic, Albanians will get what they want, ie: recognition, UN membership. Serbs will get what they want and everyone will be happy, but what shall we say, Americans said "No change in borders"! They decide for the world unfortunately.

Brian

pre 10 godina

Serbia has been very committed to never allowing Kosovo Serbs to participate in any talks with Kosovo Albanians. Maybe because they know nothing would ever be agreed to! Serbia is totally dedicated to Kosovo independence and lots of Kosovo Serbs still want to live in Serbia! Serbia also knows though that just like Serbs in Kosovo have accepted the border guards and customs agents between Kosovo and Serbia that there's nothing Kosovo Serbs won't go along with! They are under threat of being killed by Albanians and there's no one to protect them from violence! So they just have to do anything Serbia says! Just strange! This phony nonsense from Kosovo Serbs when they accept border guards and customs agents!

Carl

pre 10 godina

Is this serious?? They can't brush away all the efforts made by the Serbian government and all the time they spent negotiating with the Albanians. Kosovo northern Serbs, stop being selfish please!

Ivan

pre 10 godina

I wish they were able to split the north, it was the best solution, the north will be Serbia the south will be Kosovo Republic, Albanians will get what they want, ie: recognition, UN membership. Serbs will get what they want and everyone will be happy, but what shall we say, Americans said "No change in borders"! They decide for the world unfortunately.

Carl

pre 10 godina

Is this serious?? They can't brush away all the efforts made by the Serbian government and all the time they spent negotiating with the Albanians. Kosovo northern Serbs, stop being selfish please!

the truth

pre 10 godina

I wish they were able to split the north, it was the best solution, the north will be Serbia the south will be Kosovo Republic, Albanians will get what they want, ie: recognition, UN membership. Serbs will get what they want and everyone will be happy, but what shall we say, Americans said "No change in borders"! They decide for the world unfortunately.
(Ivan, 4 July 2013 16:58)

I agree with you, but you forgot to add Presheva to Kosova as an exchange of territory.

Brian

pre 10 godina

Serbia has been very committed to never allowing Kosovo Serbs to participate in any talks with Kosovo Albanians. Maybe because they know nothing would ever be agreed to! Serbia is totally dedicated to Kosovo independence and lots of Kosovo Serbs still want to live in Serbia! Serbia also knows though that just like Serbs in Kosovo have accepted the border guards and customs agents between Kosovo and Serbia that there's nothing Kosovo Serbs won't go along with! They are under threat of being killed by Albanians and there's no one to protect them from violence! So they just have to do anything Serbia says! Just strange! This phony nonsense from Kosovo Serbs when they accept border guards and customs agents!

the truth

pre 10 godina

international law, the UN Charter and Resolution 1244 on Kosovo as part of the Serbia must be respected, when it comes to Serbia, as well as other countries.


1244 does not say that Kosova is part of Serbia, but former Yugo. I suggest these clowns read the original version of 1244, which is written in English and not sloppy translation into Serbian language.

sj

pre 10 godina

And the Albanians cannot do a thing about it either LOL, LOL, LOL. I can’t stop laughing at how my brethren are screwing with the Europeans and no one can lift a finger against them. The Serb Diaspora is with you so stay strong as if I needed to even mention that.

sj

pre 10 godina

1244 does not say that Kosova is part of Serbia, but former Yugo. I suggest these clowns read the original version of 1244, which is written in English and not sloppy translation into Serbian language.
(the truth, 4 July 2013 17:09)

Ahh but the UN recognises that Serbia is the rightfull successor to the former Yugoslavia. Now go back and read you 1244 – that’s if you can read English.

Aleks

pre 10 godina

@the truth

we are reading the resolution in english, you are the ones that have a problem understanding something, considering you albanians are completely clueless and have no educational system to teach you anything but to be criminals that are involved in organized crime ... serbia was internationally recognized as the successor state to the former yugoslavia after it ceased to exist in 2003 and then again in 2006 after montenegro left .. its considered the successor state cuz all the other states left and serbia was the only one to remain, ergo when it says federal republic of yugoslavia in the resolution, it refers to the republic of serbia in the current time period

it says it in the resolution 1244 word for word:

"Reaffirm the commitment of UN member states to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act"

that is why you albanians along with the americans are so desperate to try and replace or get rid of it because this reaffirms serbia's territorial integrity and sovereignty .. but this will never happen as china and russia both have veto power and why you'll never become a member in any international organizations or even be considered a country

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

By my count, that now technically makes three governments that are claiming to run the north. We've got those Serbs supported by Belgrade, those Serbs who broke away from Belgrade, and some half-assed attempt by Pristina at getting attention with an empty office or two.

Contrary to those who keep saying northern Kosovo is "lawless", I think its over saturated with law. Albeit conflicting law, but law that makes this the most democratic piece of land on Earth: where else can one pick from a list of options the government they want? :)

aaayyy

pre 10 godina

I thought they already set up a powerless Micky Mouse "Assembly" in 2008?
(Ian, UK, 5 July 2013 12:37)

Why are you against Northern Kosovo Serbs so much? Wasn't it you who said that Northern Kosovo should have belonged to Serbia de facto?

Alexander Neu

pre 10 godina

Congratulation to the Serbs of the four municipalities. You are purchased and betrayed by your own government for nothing. EU Accession is promised. But when, in 10 years, in 20 years. Who knows wether EU continues to exist in 5 Years. An even when, what ist EU? It ist primarily an ideology. It promised better life and so on. Please Serbia look to your EU-neighbours how brillant their life is. To sell a part of a country as a condition to enter a organisation tells a lot about the organisations charakter and tells a lot of the spirit of the serbian political class. The only heroes are the Serbs in the South West of Serbia (Lepsavic, Zubin Potok, Zvecan and North Mitrovica). They defend not only the serbian state and constitution they defend also international law. Shame on the serbian government.
Serbia, welcome in the club of colonies and vassals!!

Danilo

pre 10 godina

(Defrim Begaj, Tirana, 5 July 2013 13:01)

sorry to break it to you, but according to my experience internet service is better in Albania (albeit considerably more expensive) than in Serbia for the most part. better ping, jitter, bandwidth, customer service, everything. could be because fewer people are using it.

we invented bangers and mash

pre 10 godina

Ian, or did you mean the ' Donald Duck ' assembly of ' Prishtina '??
How's the Thatcher picture going? Still hanging in the reception room?

Macca from Oz

pre 10 godina

@Ian,
Mate I think you're living in a land of fairytales if you believe the urban myth stories of Craig!
Talk some dribble somewhere else next time.

the truth

pre 10 godina

Contrary to those who keep saying northern Kosovo is "lawless", I think its over saturated with law. Albeit conflicting law, but law that makes this the most democratic piece of land on Earth: where else can one pick from a list of options the government they want? :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 4 July 2013 18:56)

from a list of options the planet they want to live?

just a thought

pre 10 godina

Wow 97 deputies, thats pretty good every family will be represented in the govt.
Now the EU needs to decide since this was intentionally not done until after the 28th but apparently planned way before it, did Serbia intentionally deceive the EU in order to try and get a date? Is Serbia funding this new govt? That would be a 2nd violation of the agreement. And all the posters here criticizing Germany, they knew what they were dealing with and now the rest of the EU nations are probably sending flowers to Angela for keeping them from looking so foolish.

One has to wonder what the recognized govt elected by the Albanian minority in the north will be spending that 3 million euros that has been established on, as it will not be going to also all the customs set aside for the north will go to the govt established in legitimate elections and not this group.

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

Mate I think you're living in a land of fairytales if you believe the urban myth stories of Craig!
Talk some dribble somewhere else next time.
(Macca from Oz, 5 July 2013 15:21)

You don't like what he has to say (especially as he was actually there), therefore you dismiss it as being a "myth". How did you ever come up with such an intellectual argument?

I think next time you should try a little harder, instead of using the immature "I don't like it therefore it's a lie" argument.

a New Day

pre 10 godina

(Balkan Anthropologist, 4 July 2013 18:56)
The question is where will the money come from?? If it comes from Belgrade then they have major portions of the agreement and they will suffer huge financial losses from what they have been expecting from the EU. It will not come through Pristina as they will not recognize it. International donations would flow through the UN and sit in an office somewhere as UNMIK will not recognize it. Could be a cold winter in the north.

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

Ian, or did you mean the ' Donald Duck ' assembly of ' Prishtina '??
How's the Thatcher picture going? Still hanging in the reception room?
(we invented bangers and mash, 5 July 2013 13:34)

At least the Donald Duck Assembly in Pristina is internationally recognised as legitimate and it actually has power and authority.

The picture of Thatcher is still being used as a Darts Board.

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And the Albanians cannot do a thing about it either LOL, LOL, LOL. I can’t stop laughing at how my brethren are screwing with the Europeans and no one can lift a finger against them. The Serb Diaspora is with you so stay strong as if I needed to even mention that.
(sj, 5 July 2013 13:30)

Northern Kosovo is de facto apart of Serbia and so it should be as that is what they want. They might be "screwing with the Europeans" but they are also screwing with Serbia.

What is it exactly the mighty Serb Diaspora have done to assist them? What have you done, other than write comments on B92 in their 'support'? Fellow Australian-Serb, Craig Jurisevic has done a lot to help the people of Kosovo, more than you ever possibly can.

Shoot your own foot! Ok, Thanks.

pre 10 godina

Well, here's the interesting part. These guys will celebrate 4th of July same as American's do celebrate their own independence.

Another interesting part is that this is good news. For Kosovo that is.

Defrim Begaj, Tirana

pre 10 godina

I've had to travel to Belgrade just so I could post this comment. We have no internet connection where I am from. One day I hope we also have a website of our own, who knows maybe in 10000 years.
Peace to you all

Aleks

pre 10 godina

@icji

You should go visit your eye doctor cuz you completely missed what I wrote in the first part whre I said serbia is internationally recognized as the successor state to the federal republic of yugoslavia, ergo in the quote it refers to the republic of serbia in the present as it does with all other treaties and agreements like dayton .. really you albanians don't want 1244 removed, is that why thaci was begging the un security council a couple of weeks ago to get rid of it, and don't wrry 1244 allows for the serb army to return and trust me they will and albamians will be running for the hills once they do ... really what international orginizations are you part of??? The imf and the world bank don't count cuz they are financial instituions rather than international organizations and kosovo ain't part of any, srry to break it to you ... really kosovo is a country since when??? Funny I don't see it as a member of the un nor did I see it at the olympics or for that matter any sporting event ... kosovo is at best a disputed territory that legally is still part of serbia and the un can attest to that which is why those us companies a couple of weeks ago were negotiating with the serb govt about the trepeca mines in kosovo ... srry to break it to you but kosovo hasn't done anything or gone anywhere in 14+ years as it will remain in a stalemate until the serbs retake control of it once the west leaves, just look at bosnia and how the serbs are controlling everything there

Peggy

pre 10 godina

North of Kosova is Kosova.
If Serbian no like, take a next train to Serbia!
(Adem, 5 July 2013 18:45)
===========================
South of Kosovo is Serbia. If Albanians no like, take next donkey to Albania.

icj1

pre 10 godina

"it says it in the resolution 1244 word for word:
"Reaffirm the commitment of UN member states to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act""
(Aleks, 5 July 2013 00:45)

Very nice quote... But where does it say word for word that "Kosovo is part of Serbia" ?! Just wanted to confirm before I waste my money to visit my optometrist
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that is why you albanians along with the americans are so desperate to try and replace or get rid of it because this reaffirms serbia's territorial integrity and sovereignty ..
(Aleks, 5 July 2013 00:45)

Albanians trying to replace 1244 ?! Without 1244 there is nothing to prevent the Serbian army to return to Kosovo. Without 1244 Kosovo customs cannot collect customs duties at Kosovo's boundary with Serbia. Rest assured my friend that 1244 will be in force for a long time.
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but this will never happen as china and russia both have veto power
(Aleks, 5 July 2013 00:45)

Glad to see that Russia and China also agree with the Albanians on that.
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and why you'll never become a member in any international organizations or even be considered a country
(Aleks, 5 July 2013 00:45)

Kosovo is already part of many international organizations and is already recognized as a country by the majority of the countries. Sorry my friend to break you the news from the last 5+ years :)

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Fellow Australian-Serb, Craig Jurisevic has done a lot to help the people of Kosovo, more than you ever possibly can.
(Ian, UK, 5 July 2013 14:31)
==========================
Is this guy a Serb???? Since when?

icj1

pre 10 godina

You should go visit your eye doctor cuz you completely missed what I wrote in the first part whre I said serbia is internationally recognized as the successor state to the federal republic of yugoslavia, ergo in the quote it refers to the republic of serbia in the present as it does with all other treaties and agreements like dayton ..
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Who disputed that Serbia is Yugoslavia’s successor – I assumed that?!… So, again, before I waste my money to visit my optometrist, can you please show where what you cited says that “Kosovo is Yugoslavia” word-for-word?!
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really you albanians don't want 1244 removed, is that why thaci was begging the un security council a couple of weeks ago to get rid of it
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Show me the resolution introduced by anybody to remove 1244 ? Rest assured my friend that Albanians, Serbs, Americans, Chinese, Russian, are all for 1244 to be there forever (Kosovo even included it in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution; Serbia did not). Don’t hold your breath on 1244 being removed anytime soon or ever.
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and don't wrry 1244 allows for the serb army to return and trust me they will and albamians will be running for the hills once they do ...
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Of course it allows for an “agreed” number. Let us now when that number is agreed :)

icj1

pre 10 godina

really what international orginizations are you part of???
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

I am no part of int'l organizations because they don’t accept individuals.
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The imf and the world bank don't count cuz they are financial instituions rather than international organizations and kosovo ain't part of any, srry to break it to you ...
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Sure, of course… anything that accepts Kosovo as a member does not count anymore as an international organization. Why ? Because a certain Alex said so :) The Encyclopedia Britannica thinks otherwise together with that great nation of Russia http://www.un.org/esa/ffd/economicgovernance/67ga/RussianFederation.pdf (page 4, penultimate paragraph).
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really kosovo is a country since when???
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Kosovo is country for each individual country since when each individual country recognized it as such. Unfortunately they didn't ask Serbia's permission
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Funny I don't see it as a member of the un nor did I see it at the olympics or for that matter any sporting event ...
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Indeed it’s funny because none of the above recognizes countries. The UN itself says that they are not in the business of recognizing countries; only countries recognize other countries. Sorry mate to break you the news that no country in the world (Serbia included) has ever been or will ever be recognized by the UN (if and until the UN charter changes).

icj1

pre 10 godina

kosovo is at best a disputed territory that legally is still part of Serbia
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Of course; Kosovo is disputed by Serbia the same way that Serbia is disputed by Kosovo. But don't panick; that's normal - everything in the world is disputed by somebody somewhere. And yes, you are correct that according to Serbia’s law, Kosovo is part of Serbia.
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and the un can attest to that which is why those us companies a couple of weeks ago were negotiating with the serb govt about the trepeca mines in kosovo ...
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Of course the UN *CAN* attest it if it chooses to do so… let us know when it *DOES* indeed attest it. There are many things that can, may or might be done; it does not mean they will necessarily be done.
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srry to break it to you but kosovo hasn't done anything or gone anywhere in 14+ years as it will remain in a stalemate until the serbs retake control of it once the west leaves, just look at bosnia and how the serbs are controlling everything there
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Of course, we know that Serbs are very patient, heroic and macho people who are the center of the universe and control the world…. I’m sure nobody has any objection for the Serbian army to return to Kosovo in 600 years, assuming, of course, that 1244 is no longer in force by then. And even if 1244 is still in force by then, guess what, Serbs have no problem waiting for other 600 years and so on :)... good luck to you

Carl

pre 10 godina

Is this serious?? They can't brush away all the efforts made by the Serbian government and all the time they spent negotiating with the Albanians. Kosovo northern Serbs, stop being selfish please!

Brian

pre 10 godina

Serbia has been very committed to never allowing Kosovo Serbs to participate in any talks with Kosovo Albanians. Maybe because they know nothing would ever be agreed to! Serbia is totally dedicated to Kosovo independence and lots of Kosovo Serbs still want to live in Serbia! Serbia also knows though that just like Serbs in Kosovo have accepted the border guards and customs agents between Kosovo and Serbia that there's nothing Kosovo Serbs won't go along with! They are under threat of being killed by Albanians and there's no one to protect them from violence! So they just have to do anything Serbia says! Just strange! This phony nonsense from Kosovo Serbs when they accept border guards and customs agents!

Ivan

pre 10 godina

I wish they were able to split the north, it was the best solution, the north will be Serbia the south will be Kosovo Republic, Albanians will get what they want, ie: recognition, UN membership. Serbs will get what they want and everyone will be happy, but what shall we say, Americans said "No change in borders"! They decide for the world unfortunately.

the truth

pre 10 godina

I wish they were able to split the north, it was the best solution, the north will be Serbia the south will be Kosovo Republic, Albanians will get what they want, ie: recognition, UN membership. Serbs will get what they want and everyone will be happy, but what shall we say, Americans said "No change in borders"! They decide for the world unfortunately.
(Ivan, 4 July 2013 16:58)

I agree with you, but you forgot to add Presheva to Kosova as an exchange of territory.

Defrim Begaj, Tirana

pre 10 godina

I've had to travel to Belgrade just so I could post this comment. We have no internet connection where I am from. One day I hope we also have a website of our own, who knows maybe in 10000 years.
Peace to you all

the truth

pre 10 godina

international law, the UN Charter and Resolution 1244 on Kosovo as part of the Serbia must be respected, when it comes to Serbia, as well as other countries.


1244 does not say that Kosova is part of Serbia, but former Yugo. I suggest these clowns read the original version of 1244, which is written in English and not sloppy translation into Serbian language.

sj

pre 10 godina

And the Albanians cannot do a thing about it either LOL, LOL, LOL. I can’t stop laughing at how my brethren are screwing with the Europeans and no one can lift a finger against them. The Serb Diaspora is with you so stay strong as if I needed to even mention that.

we invented bangers and mash

pre 10 godina

Ian, or did you mean the ' Donald Duck ' assembly of ' Prishtina '??
How's the Thatcher picture going? Still hanging in the reception room?

sj

pre 10 godina

1244 does not say that Kosova is part of Serbia, but former Yugo. I suggest these clowns read the original version of 1244, which is written in English and not sloppy translation into Serbian language.
(the truth, 4 July 2013 17:09)

Ahh but the UN recognises that Serbia is the rightfull successor to the former Yugoslavia. Now go back and read you 1244 – that’s if you can read English.

Aleks

pre 10 godina

@the truth

we are reading the resolution in english, you are the ones that have a problem understanding something, considering you albanians are completely clueless and have no educational system to teach you anything but to be criminals that are involved in organized crime ... serbia was internationally recognized as the successor state to the former yugoslavia after it ceased to exist in 2003 and then again in 2006 after montenegro left .. its considered the successor state cuz all the other states left and serbia was the only one to remain, ergo when it says federal republic of yugoslavia in the resolution, it refers to the republic of serbia in the current time period

it says it in the resolution 1244 word for word:

"Reaffirm the commitment of UN member states to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act"

that is why you albanians along with the americans are so desperate to try and replace or get rid of it because this reaffirms serbia's territorial integrity and sovereignty .. but this will never happen as china and russia both have veto power and why you'll never become a member in any international organizations or even be considered a country

aaayyy

pre 10 godina

I thought they already set up a powerless Micky Mouse "Assembly" in 2008?
(Ian, UK, 5 July 2013 12:37)

Why are you against Northern Kosovo Serbs so much? Wasn't it you who said that Northern Kosovo should have belonged to Serbia de facto?

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

Ian, or did you mean the ' Donald Duck ' assembly of ' Prishtina '??
How's the Thatcher picture going? Still hanging in the reception room?
(we invented bangers and mash, 5 July 2013 13:34)

At least the Donald Duck Assembly in Pristina is internationally recognised as legitimate and it actually has power and authority.

The picture of Thatcher is still being used as a Darts Board.

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And the Albanians cannot do a thing about it either LOL, LOL, LOL. I can’t stop laughing at how my brethren are screwing with the Europeans and no one can lift a finger against them. The Serb Diaspora is with you so stay strong as if I needed to even mention that.
(sj, 5 July 2013 13:30)

Northern Kosovo is de facto apart of Serbia and so it should be as that is what they want. They might be "screwing with the Europeans" but they are also screwing with Serbia.

What is it exactly the mighty Serb Diaspora have done to assist them? What have you done, other than write comments on B92 in their 'support'? Fellow Australian-Serb, Craig Jurisevic has done a lot to help the people of Kosovo, more than you ever possibly can.

Alexander Neu

pre 10 godina

Congratulation to the Serbs of the four municipalities. You are purchased and betrayed by your own government for nothing. EU Accession is promised. But when, in 10 years, in 20 years. Who knows wether EU continues to exist in 5 Years. An even when, what ist EU? It ist primarily an ideology. It promised better life and so on. Please Serbia look to your EU-neighbours how brillant their life is. To sell a part of a country as a condition to enter a organisation tells a lot about the organisations charakter and tells a lot of the spirit of the serbian political class. The only heroes are the Serbs in the South West of Serbia (Lepsavic, Zubin Potok, Zvecan and North Mitrovica). They defend not only the serbian state and constitution they defend also international law. Shame on the serbian government.
Serbia, welcome in the club of colonies and vassals!!

Macca from Oz

pre 10 godina

@Ian,
Mate I think you're living in a land of fairytales if you believe the urban myth stories of Craig!
Talk some dribble somewhere else next time.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 10 godina

By my count, that now technically makes three governments that are claiming to run the north. We've got those Serbs supported by Belgrade, those Serbs who broke away from Belgrade, and some half-assed attempt by Pristina at getting attention with an empty office or two.

Contrary to those who keep saying northern Kosovo is "lawless", I think its over saturated with law. Albeit conflicting law, but law that makes this the most democratic piece of land on Earth: where else can one pick from a list of options the government they want? :)

Shoot your own foot! Ok, Thanks.

pre 10 godina

Well, here's the interesting part. These guys will celebrate 4th of July same as American's do celebrate their own independence.

Another interesting part is that this is good news. For Kosovo that is.

a New Day

pre 10 godina

(Balkan Anthropologist, 4 July 2013 18:56)
The question is where will the money come from?? If it comes from Belgrade then they have major portions of the agreement and they will suffer huge financial losses from what they have been expecting from the EU. It will not come through Pristina as they will not recognize it. International donations would flow through the UN and sit in an office somewhere as UNMIK will not recognize it. Could be a cold winter in the north.

Danilo

pre 10 godina

(Defrim Begaj, Tirana, 5 July 2013 13:01)

sorry to break it to you, but according to my experience internet service is better in Albania (albeit considerably more expensive) than in Serbia for the most part. better ping, jitter, bandwidth, customer service, everything. could be because fewer people are using it.

Ian, UK

pre 10 godina

Mate I think you're living in a land of fairytales if you believe the urban myth stories of Craig!
Talk some dribble somewhere else next time.
(Macca from Oz, 5 July 2013 15:21)

You don't like what he has to say (especially as he was actually there), therefore you dismiss it as being a "myth". How did you ever come up with such an intellectual argument?

I think next time you should try a little harder, instead of using the immature "I don't like it therefore it's a lie" argument.

the truth

pre 10 godina

Contrary to those who keep saying northern Kosovo is "lawless", I think its over saturated with law. Albeit conflicting law, but law that makes this the most democratic piece of land on Earth: where else can one pick from a list of options the government they want? :)
(Balkan Anthropologist, 4 July 2013 18:56)

from a list of options the planet they want to live?

just a thought

pre 10 godina

Wow 97 deputies, thats pretty good every family will be represented in the govt.
Now the EU needs to decide since this was intentionally not done until after the 28th but apparently planned way before it, did Serbia intentionally deceive the EU in order to try and get a date? Is Serbia funding this new govt? That would be a 2nd violation of the agreement. And all the posters here criticizing Germany, they knew what they were dealing with and now the rest of the EU nations are probably sending flowers to Angela for keeping them from looking so foolish.

One has to wonder what the recognized govt elected by the Albanian minority in the north will be spending that 3 million euros that has been established on, as it will not be going to also all the customs set aside for the north will go to the govt established in legitimate elections and not this group.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Fellow Australian-Serb, Craig Jurisevic has done a lot to help the people of Kosovo, more than you ever possibly can.
(Ian, UK, 5 July 2013 14:31)
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Is this guy a Serb???? Since when?

icj1

pre 10 godina

"it says it in the resolution 1244 word for word:
"Reaffirm the commitment of UN member states to the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and the other States of the region, as set out in the Helsinki Final Act""
(Aleks, 5 July 2013 00:45)

Very nice quote... But where does it say word for word that "Kosovo is part of Serbia" ?! Just wanted to confirm before I waste my money to visit my optometrist
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that is why you albanians along with the americans are so desperate to try and replace or get rid of it because this reaffirms serbia's territorial integrity and sovereignty ..
(Aleks, 5 July 2013 00:45)

Albanians trying to replace 1244 ?! Without 1244 there is nothing to prevent the Serbian army to return to Kosovo. Without 1244 Kosovo customs cannot collect customs duties at Kosovo's boundary with Serbia. Rest assured my friend that 1244 will be in force for a long time.
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but this will never happen as china and russia both have veto power
(Aleks, 5 July 2013 00:45)

Glad to see that Russia and China also agree with the Albanians on that.
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and why you'll never become a member in any international organizations or even be considered a country
(Aleks, 5 July 2013 00:45)

Kosovo is already part of many international organizations and is already recognized as a country by the majority of the countries. Sorry my friend to break you the news from the last 5+ years :)

Peggy

pre 10 godina

North of Kosova is Kosova.
If Serbian no like, take a next train to Serbia!
(Adem, 5 July 2013 18:45)
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South of Kosovo is Serbia. If Albanians no like, take next donkey to Albania.

Aleks

pre 10 godina

@icji

You should go visit your eye doctor cuz you completely missed what I wrote in the first part whre I said serbia is internationally recognized as the successor state to the federal republic of yugoslavia, ergo in the quote it refers to the republic of serbia in the present as it does with all other treaties and agreements like dayton .. really you albanians don't want 1244 removed, is that why thaci was begging the un security council a couple of weeks ago to get rid of it, and don't wrry 1244 allows for the serb army to return and trust me they will and albamians will be running for the hills once they do ... really what international orginizations are you part of??? The imf and the world bank don't count cuz they are financial instituions rather than international organizations and kosovo ain't part of any, srry to break it to you ... really kosovo is a country since when??? Funny I don't see it as a member of the un nor did I see it at the olympics or for that matter any sporting event ... kosovo is at best a disputed territory that legally is still part of serbia and the un can attest to that which is why those us companies a couple of weeks ago were negotiating with the serb govt about the trepeca mines in kosovo ... srry to break it to you but kosovo hasn't done anything or gone anywhere in 14+ years as it will remain in a stalemate until the serbs retake control of it once the west leaves, just look at bosnia and how the serbs are controlling everything there

icj1

pre 10 godina

You should go visit your eye doctor cuz you completely missed what I wrote in the first part whre I said serbia is internationally recognized as the successor state to the federal republic of yugoslavia, ergo in the quote it refers to the republic of serbia in the present as it does with all other treaties and agreements like dayton ..
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Who disputed that Serbia is Yugoslavia’s successor – I assumed that?!… So, again, before I waste my money to visit my optometrist, can you please show where what you cited says that “Kosovo is Yugoslavia” word-for-word?!
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really you albanians don't want 1244 removed, is that why thaci was begging the un security council a couple of weeks ago to get rid of it
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Show me the resolution introduced by anybody to remove 1244 ? Rest assured my friend that Albanians, Serbs, Americans, Chinese, Russian, are all for 1244 to be there forever (Kosovo even included it in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution; Serbia did not). Don’t hold your breath on 1244 being removed anytime soon or ever.
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and don't wrry 1244 allows for the serb army to return and trust me they will and albamians will be running for the hills once they do ...
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Of course it allows for an “agreed” number. Let us now when that number is agreed :)

icj1

pre 10 godina

really what international orginizations are you part of???
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

I am no part of int'l organizations because they don’t accept individuals.
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The imf and the world bank don't count cuz they are financial instituions rather than international organizations and kosovo ain't part of any, srry to break it to you ...
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Sure, of course… anything that accepts Kosovo as a member does not count anymore as an international organization. Why ? Because a certain Alex said so :) The Encyclopedia Britannica thinks otherwise together with that great nation of Russia http://www.un.org/esa/ffd/economicgovernance/67ga/RussianFederation.pdf (page 4, penultimate paragraph).
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really kosovo is a country since when???
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Kosovo is country for each individual country since when each individual country recognized it as such. Unfortunately they didn't ask Serbia's permission
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Funny I don't see it as a member of the un nor did I see it at the olympics or for that matter any sporting event ...
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Indeed it’s funny because none of the above recognizes countries. The UN itself says that they are not in the business of recognizing countries; only countries recognize other countries. Sorry mate to break you the news that no country in the world (Serbia included) has ever been or will ever be recognized by the UN (if and until the UN charter changes).

icj1

pre 10 godina

kosovo is at best a disputed territory that legally is still part of Serbia
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Of course; Kosovo is disputed by Serbia the same way that Serbia is disputed by Kosovo. But don't panick; that's normal - everything in the world is disputed by somebody somewhere. And yes, you are correct that according to Serbia’s law, Kosovo is part of Serbia.
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and the un can attest to that which is why those us companies a couple of weeks ago were negotiating with the serb govt about the trepeca mines in kosovo ...
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Of course the UN *CAN* attest it if it chooses to do so… let us know when it *DOES* indeed attest it. There are many things that can, may or might be done; it does not mean they will necessarily be done.
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srry to break it to you but kosovo hasn't done anything or gone anywhere in 14+ years as it will remain in a stalemate until the serbs retake control of it once the west leaves, just look at bosnia and how the serbs are controlling everything there
(Aleks, 8 July 2013 12:40)

Of course, we know that Serbs are very patient, heroic and macho people who are the center of the universe and control the world…. I’m sure nobody has any objection for the Serbian army to return to Kosovo in 600 years, assuming, of course, that 1244 is no longer in force by then. And even if 1244 is still in force by then, guess what, Serbs have no problem waiting for other 600 years and so on :)... good luck to you