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Monday, 10.06.2013.

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14 years since end of NATO's attacks on Serbia

Monday marks 14 years since NATO's air campaign against the former Federal Republic of Yugoslavia ended after 78 days.

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ninja304

pre 10 godina

the innocents that died did not desearve it, but the serbs in general did, and worse.

and to all of the uneducated propaganda spitters, the bosniaks are not "muslim serbs", the "bosnian serbs" are not even serbs, they are othodox bosniaks both genetically and historically, but they are brainwashed,
freedom for sandzak and it's people (muslim and orthodoz bosniaks) they should be with their true people.

J

pre 10 godina

"No one can say that the Albanians have it better right now then they did before the uprising. "
-- Actually Albanians have been saying that every day. Listen sometimes. It doesn't matter at all if the Serbs or some outsiders don't see it that way. If we keep telling you we have it a million times better now, then that's all that maters. It doesn't matter one bit if you're convinced about it or not.

Reader

pre 10 godina

It is good people did not see in Belgrade the destruction experienced in Sarajevo, Mostar, Srebrenica, and Kosovo. Serbia got away with it easy with respect to its neighbors. And it's not like its leaders did not try to get more victims, what with the TV building story thing and all.

"as it shoots the missiles directly into the windows."
(ida, 11 June 2013 00:03)

Can you please post a link to that video? If true, it would be amazing to see that kind of surgical precision by a flying metal beast weighing tons piloted by a tiny man. Does it really show the missiles flying directly into the windows? How many missiles fly through the windows? Why oh why did you guys go fighting against such thing? Just plain stupid in my opinion.

Nutral

pre 10 godina

I love history revisionist. Nato was shocked on how intact the serbian military was during the withdrawl out of Kosovo. As for the situaton, its stinks. No one can say that the Albanians have it better right now then they did before the uprising. War is never good for the common citizen. The only ones that make out are the leaders / politicians. Everyone needs to move on already.

femi

pre 10 godina

B92 cries out
“Beside the loss of lives, NATO's campaign also resulted in serious damage to the country's infracture, economy, educational, health-care, and media facilities, and historical and cultural monuments.”
Dear B92 if NATO damaged your education by bombing you for 78 days, have you ever thought of Serbian policy towards Kosovo (which closed all Albanian schools for all 16years olds-up for ten years) and the impact that had in our education?
Im sure you didn’t why would you be any different?
As much as I want to forgive Serbs of whatever they done to us, it is the closing of the schools in Albanian languages that I find impossible to forgive.

Dragan

pre 10 godina

It looks like the self-hating Serb Danilo, who has no knowledge of history and simply repeats NATO's lies here, is in one of his moods again. My guess is he got shot down again by Serbian women and he still can't get a date in Beograd :).
Danilo, the kind of ignorant rubbish you spew on here is something I expect from albanians, croats and bosnian muslims. If you dislike Serbia so much, I suggest you move your business to Zagreb and have fun at the nazi Thompson concerts in that 'EU values' society you so admire. To call you an ignoramus would be a gross understatement.

Cheers!!

Dorothy

pre 10 godina

@Danilo
"Too bad they started by ethnically cleansing the Croat population from those areas."

I think you'll find that it was actually the other way around, but don't let chronological order complicate your grasp of history.

Pluralistic society?
So for you, today's Kosovo is an example of a pluralistic society is it?
Funny that there has not been any mention of Serbs in Kosovo, let alone the rest of Serbia , being given having the right
to veto decisions made by the Albanian "leadership" in Pristina.
And yet before the 90's Kosovo Albanians could veto the Serbian Parliament in Belgrade, but still claimed to be oppressed.

Is today's Croatia another successful example of pluralistic society as you understand it?
It used to have a 25% Serbian population before 1941, now reduced by genocide and ethnic cleansing to around 5%.
So much for Croatian pluralism.

The real tragi-comedy is that people like yourself seem to think that history will stop when and where it suits you.
It won't.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Dorothy said,
"And they got to be 90% of the population largely by illegal immigration and the ethnic cleansing of non Albanians by rape, assault and murder, during decades of communist patronage and complicity".

To which Danilo replied:


(Dorothy, 11 June 2013 13:13)
"If Tito let them in, as the story goes, it wasn't "illegal immigration", it was "immigration".
=========================

Tito did not let them in. They entered illegally and Tito turned a blind to it.
Also Danilo, what about the rape, terror and murder infliced by Albanians on Serbian population in order to drive them out and it worked.
What that legal because Tito approved? Just because someone turns a blind eye to something, it doesn't make it legal.

It's funny how you never address a part of someone's post which mentions the terror infliced on Serbs. Could it be that you can't defend the action and therefore just choose to ignore it? Could it be that you simply don't care what happens to Serbs but don't want to be so obvious?

Artan

pre 10 godina

It owuld have been nice if Serbia would have granted Albanians what they had prior to 1989. A substantial autonomy. Than the situation would have been better and Serbia would have not lost the territory.

Very very foolish of Serbs.

Danilo

pre 10 godina

(Dorothy, 11 June 2013 13:13)
If Tito let them in, as the story goes, it wasn't "illegal immigration", it was "immigration". The Albanians are there. Don't like it? too bad. Also too bad you didn't grasp the idea of a pluralistic society. Learn from your mistakes, or just cry. Either way, you won't have your way by force anymore.

Yes, it's true that in Knin, most people wanted to be separate from Croatia. Too bad they started by ethnically cleansing the Croat population from those areas. Too bad, Maric tore up Plan Z without even reading it. You could have had more than an RS in Croatia, but your people's arrogance tore up that Plan Z instead. And now you want to cry about it and expect me to feel sorry? Sorry. Not going to happen.

How many times have Serbs played "all or nothing" and ended up with nothing?

What a tragic-comic tale is the Serbian story.

Haverim Dohányaku

pre 10 godina

It was the most democratic, merciful and humanitarian mission of NATO ever. All respect to Hillary and Albright the most noble servants of humanity.

Roger7

pre 10 godina

Rocky said "Serbia should have been completely leveled!"

What you want for others ... May the same be visited upon you and those you love.

Dorothy

pre 10 godina

@Danilo
""NATO" didn't "give" Kosovo to 90% of the population that lives in Kosovo. Kosovo is independent because 90% of the people living there wanted to be independent."

And they got to be 90% of the population largely by illegal immigration and the ethnic cleansing of non Albanians by rape, assault and murder, during decades of communist patronage and complicity.

BTW The majority of the people living in predominantly Serb Krajina in the early 90's wanted independence too, as do most Serbs in Bosnia today.

What difference does my name make!

pre 10 godina

Then why did Serbia cry "uncle". Could it be that there were thousands of young Serb men who deserted from the army as well as many that failed to show up for induction to a severely demoralized army. There was no need for an invasion since Serbia rolled over rather easily.
(The Count of Kosova, 10 June 2013 22:36)


Were these the same Serbian soldiers that the terrorist KLA, even with the backing of all of NATO"s firepower, and the help of Jihadist terrorists from around the world on the ground, hid from in the mountains, like the true cowards they were, only to come down and loot, destroy and murder all things Serbian that they could, once they were certain these Serbs had made a full retreat and NATO forces were on the ground to protect them?
Are those the Serbs your talking about??

time to think

pre 10 godina

If NATO had attacked YU to stop Milosevic from carrying out his campaign, then why did NATO/US give Kosovo to Albanians after Milosevic departure?
(aaayyy, 10 June 2013 20:34)
Because what replaced Milosevic and still today is the same mentality only different names. Albanians would be no safer under Serbia today than in 1999 without international security forces.
Kosovo was not given to anyone it was to become a self governing society.

ida

pre 10 godina

Serbia cried "uncle" because the damage to the civilian infrastructure and people in Serbia was just too much. The military was fine and intact and willing to fight, but Serbia did not have the air defense capability to prevent most of the bombing damage.

They couldn't just keep taking that continuous bombing and no one knew when it would end.
They also needed to repair the heating plants and electricity grid before the winter.
If Serbia had Russian anti-aircraft batteries they could have shot down "scores of NATO aircraft per day". That's what a Russian military official said.

Serbia did shoot down many cruise missiles and shot down or damaged many planes - more than NATO would admit too - however it was only a small fraction of what NATO used.
Also, many of the shoot downs were AFTER the plane had bombed and damaged some facility/infrastructure.

Contrary to NATO claiming their planes only stayed high up, many of them did go low to bomb and it was then that they were hit.

Even video of the plane bombing the Chinese embassy, you can see that the plane is low and maybe only 100 feet up and off the the side as it shoots the missiles directly into the windows.

According to Venik's old aviation site the Serbs did shoot down that plane (which came all the way from Missouri) on its way back to Croatia after the bombing.

Danilo

pre 10 godina

"If NATO had attacked YU to stop Milosevic from carrying out his campaign, then why did NATO/US give Kosovo to Albanians after Milosevic departure?"


"NATO" didn't "give" Kosovo to 90% of the population that lives in Kosovo. Kosovo is independent because 90% of the people living there wanted to be independent.

What did Serbia do to try to woo back Kosovo in the NINE years between the ending of the bombing and Kosovo independence? Oh right - Nothing. On the contrary, they took an arrogant stance. They changed the constitution, by pencilling in "KOSOVO IS SRBIJA!" and had everyone but Albanians vote on it. Great harbinger of things to come under Serbian-ruled Kosovo.

Seriously... this "oh no, the whole world is against us and we didn't do anything" attitude of some people is just plain annoying.

Englishman

pre 10 godina

SERBIA: The only country in EUROPE to stand against our treacherous governments - AND WIN. Look where we are 14 years later - nothing was solved. More Albanians died during the bombardment than before go figure that one out - keep chanting albanians.

STAND PROUD SERBS FOR YOU HAVE MUCH TO BE PROUD OF !!!

mick

pre 10 godina

LOL @ T

Ok you say that, then Milosevic should have done this: (If I was in his place i would have done that)
Send Serbian/montenegrin Troops of the JNA into BIH and Croatia Never pull them out. Make a operation storm in Kosovo so that any anti Serbs would leave! And fight fire with fire Croats make an opertions storm The JNA should have stormed Zagreb. For Bosnia simple are you anti Yugoslav get out of the country.
Thats the same what tito did to his enemies, are you anti Tito/communist then leave the country/go to jail.
But this time it was enemies from the inside (Croats/Serbian muslims of BIH and albanians of Kosovo).

It would have been better if the NATO troops dared to invade YU,That would have been suicide for them, and if those bastards would kill innocent civilian Serbs that would get NATO in a bad picture in the media plus if they dared to push on and get Russia and China involved then WW3 would have happened.

The Balkans

pre 10 godina

Again, in my opinion, Serbia should have been completely leveled!
(Rocky, 10 June 2013 19:39)

Then I guess you are not better if not worse than the people who wished for Albanians to be kicked out of Kosovo.

The Count of Kosova

pre 10 godina

Ground attack was never an option. Everybody knows that. NATO cannot defeat unarmed Northern Kosovo Serbs let alone the whole of Serbia.
(Teslavio, 10 June 2013 16:39)

Then why did Serbia cry "uncle". Could it be that there were thousands of young Serb men who deserted from the army as well as many that failed to show up for induction to a severely demoralized army. There was no need for an invasion since Serbia rolled over rather easily.

think again

pre 10 godina

Teslavio, 10 June 2013 16:39)
NATO has never engaged Kosovo Serbs in a fight. They have stood by and made sure that while the children were playing big men things never got out of hand. They could have easily mutilated the Serbs in the north but that was neither their goal nor mandate. So before thumping your chest at how you have showed the big NATO what a fierce fight machine you are remember they stood there and allowed you to play without having to shoot anyone. Their goal is to keep the peace and sometimes that means standing there when you want to really show what force really is. Do not confuse inaction as fear, that could be a deadly mistake.
And fighting would not be in the hills of Yugoslavia it would be in downtown Belgrade.

the truth

pre 10 godina

Actually, Slobo pulled the white flag when he notice the ground attack was imminent. (Kosova-USA, 10. jun 2013 15:18).Ground attack was never an option. Everybody knows that. NATO cannot defeat unarmed Northern Kosovo Serbs let alone the whole of Serbia.
(Teslavio, 10 June 2013 16:39)

Believing in myths, is not called patriotic. Grow up man and smell the coffee.

aaayyy

pre 10 godina

NATO did not attack Yugoslavia for the sake of it. It attacked and stopped Milosevic from carrying out his murderous campaigns all over the Balkan. (T, 10 June 2013 14:49)

NATO attacked Yugoslavia for the sake of giving Kosovo to Albanians.

If NATO had attacked YU to stop Milosevic from carrying out his campaign, then why did NATO/US give Kosovo to Albanians after Milosevic departure?

Rocky

pre 10 godina

78 days hmm, I would say that it was indeed short! NATO, and the civilized world had to watch for almost 10 years of Serbian state sponsored genocide and ethnic cleansing, Croatia Bosnia and then Kosova, in all this time, NATO warned Serbia 100s if not 1000s of times, that it must halt these military campaines of ethnic cleansing! Did Serbia heed these warnings? Serbia fully deserved the 78 day consequence! Again, in my opinion, Serbia should have been completely leveled!

adrian kola

pre 10 godina

Typical B92, deliberately leaving out any the real reason why this happened: the vicious state-sponsored terrorism to ethnically clean Kosovo of its majority Albanian population. Dispecable!

Teslavio

pre 10 godina

Actually, Slobo pulled the white flag when he notice the ground attack was imminent. (Kosova-USA, 10. jun 2013 15:18).Ground attack was never an option. Everybody knows that. NATO cannot defeat unarmed Northern Kosovo Serbs let alone the whole of Serbia.

Kosova-USA

pre 10 godina

Many people in Russia especially those who compose the elite still consider those bombings as personal insult and Russia’s guilt. Every week I meet mentioning of that attack as an revenged one. NATO asked Eltsyn to press at Slobo because they were limited with most of the missiles and bombs. They could strike for another two weeks after which the war could end as a matter of fact for any land operation would be fatal to NATO for there’s a big difference between the deserts of the Northern Africa and the green mountains of Yugoslavia the Yugoslavian army and the armed fellahs.
(rote, 10 June 2013 13:03)

Actually, Slobo pulled the white flag when he notice the ground attack was imminent.

T

pre 10 godina

NATO did not attack Yugoslavia for the sake of it. It attacked and stopped Milosevic from carrying out his murderous campaigns all over the Balkan. If Tito had lived an other 10 years Yugoslavia would still exist and most probably be among the most powerful nations today.

rote

pre 10 godina

Many people in Russia especially those who compose the elite still consider those bombings as personal insult and Russia’s guilt. Every week I meet mentioning of that attack as an revenged one. NATO asked Eltsyn to press at Slobo because they were limited with most of the missiles and bombs. They could strike for another two weeks after which the war could end as a matter of fact for any land operation would be fatal to NATO for there’s a big difference between the deserts of the Northern Africa and the green mountains of Yugoslavia the Yugoslavian army and the armed fellahs.

rote

pre 10 godina

Many people in Russia especially those who compose the elite still consider those bombings as personal insult and Russia’s guilt. Every week I meet mentioning of that attack as an revenged one. NATO asked Eltsyn to press at Slobo because they were limited with most of the missiles and bombs. They could strike for another two weeks after which the war could end as a matter of fact for any land operation would be fatal to NATO for there’s a big difference between the deserts of the Northern Africa and the green mountains of Yugoslavia the Yugoslavian army and the armed fellahs.

T

pre 10 godina

NATO did not attack Yugoslavia for the sake of it. It attacked and stopped Milosevic from carrying out his murderous campaigns all over the Balkan. If Tito had lived an other 10 years Yugoslavia would still exist and most probably be among the most powerful nations today.

Kosova-USA

pre 10 godina

Many people in Russia especially those who compose the elite still consider those bombings as personal insult and Russia’s guilt. Every week I meet mentioning of that attack as an revenged one. NATO asked Eltsyn to press at Slobo because they were limited with most of the missiles and bombs. They could strike for another two weeks after which the war could end as a matter of fact for any land operation would be fatal to NATO for there’s a big difference between the deserts of the Northern Africa and the green mountains of Yugoslavia the Yugoslavian army and the armed fellahs.
(rote, 10 June 2013 13:03)

Actually, Slobo pulled the white flag when he notice the ground attack was imminent.

Teslavio

pre 10 godina

Actually, Slobo pulled the white flag when he notice the ground attack was imminent. (Kosova-USA, 10. jun 2013 15:18).Ground attack was never an option. Everybody knows that. NATO cannot defeat unarmed Northern Kosovo Serbs let alone the whole of Serbia.

Englishman

pre 10 godina

SERBIA: The only country in EUROPE to stand against our treacherous governments - AND WIN. Look where we are 14 years later - nothing was solved. More Albanians died during the bombardment than before go figure that one out - keep chanting albanians.

STAND PROUD SERBS FOR YOU HAVE MUCH TO BE PROUD OF !!!

Dorothy

pre 10 godina

@Danilo
""NATO" didn't "give" Kosovo to 90% of the population that lives in Kosovo. Kosovo is independent because 90% of the people living there wanted to be independent."

And they got to be 90% of the population largely by illegal immigration and the ethnic cleansing of non Albanians by rape, assault and murder, during decades of communist patronage and complicity.

BTW The majority of the people living in predominantly Serb Krajina in the early 90's wanted independence too, as do most Serbs in Bosnia today.

The Balkans

pre 10 godina

Again, in my opinion, Serbia should have been completely leveled!
(Rocky, 10 June 2013 19:39)

Then I guess you are not better if not worse than the people who wished for Albanians to be kicked out of Kosovo.

What difference does my name make!

pre 10 godina

Then why did Serbia cry "uncle". Could it be that there were thousands of young Serb men who deserted from the army as well as many that failed to show up for induction to a severely demoralized army. There was no need for an invasion since Serbia rolled over rather easily.
(The Count of Kosova, 10 June 2013 22:36)


Were these the same Serbian soldiers that the terrorist KLA, even with the backing of all of NATO"s firepower, and the help of Jihadist terrorists from around the world on the ground, hid from in the mountains, like the true cowards they were, only to come down and loot, destroy and murder all things Serbian that they could, once they were certain these Serbs had made a full retreat and NATO forces were on the ground to protect them?
Are those the Serbs your talking about??

Dragan

pre 10 godina

It looks like the self-hating Serb Danilo, who has no knowledge of history and simply repeats NATO's lies here, is in one of his moods again. My guess is he got shot down again by Serbian women and he still can't get a date in Beograd :).
Danilo, the kind of ignorant rubbish you spew on here is something I expect from albanians, croats and bosnian muslims. If you dislike Serbia so much, I suggest you move your business to Zagreb and have fun at the nazi Thompson concerts in that 'EU values' society you so admire. To call you an ignoramus would be a gross understatement.

Cheers!!

adrian kola

pre 10 godina

Typical B92, deliberately leaving out any the real reason why this happened: the vicious state-sponsored terrorism to ethnically clean Kosovo of its majority Albanian population. Dispecable!

Rocky

pre 10 godina

78 days hmm, I would say that it was indeed short! NATO, and the civilized world had to watch for almost 10 years of Serbian state sponsored genocide and ethnic cleansing, Croatia Bosnia and then Kosova, in all this time, NATO warned Serbia 100s if not 1000s of times, that it must halt these military campaines of ethnic cleansing! Did Serbia heed these warnings? Serbia fully deserved the 78 day consequence! Again, in my opinion, Serbia should have been completely leveled!

The Count of Kosova

pre 10 godina

Ground attack was never an option. Everybody knows that. NATO cannot defeat unarmed Northern Kosovo Serbs let alone the whole of Serbia.
(Teslavio, 10 June 2013 16:39)

Then why did Serbia cry "uncle". Could it be that there were thousands of young Serb men who deserted from the army as well as many that failed to show up for induction to a severely demoralized army. There was no need for an invasion since Serbia rolled over rather easily.

time to think

pre 10 godina

If NATO had attacked YU to stop Milosevic from carrying out his campaign, then why did NATO/US give Kosovo to Albanians after Milosevic departure?
(aaayyy, 10 June 2013 20:34)
Because what replaced Milosevic and still today is the same mentality only different names. Albanians would be no safer under Serbia today than in 1999 without international security forces.
Kosovo was not given to anyone it was to become a self governing society.

aaayyy

pre 10 godina

NATO did not attack Yugoslavia for the sake of it. It attacked and stopped Milosevic from carrying out his murderous campaigns all over the Balkan. (T, 10 June 2013 14:49)

NATO attacked Yugoslavia for the sake of giving Kosovo to Albanians.

If NATO had attacked YU to stop Milosevic from carrying out his campaign, then why did NATO/US give Kosovo to Albanians after Milosevic departure?

the truth

pre 10 godina

Actually, Slobo pulled the white flag when he notice the ground attack was imminent. (Kosova-USA, 10. jun 2013 15:18).Ground attack was never an option. Everybody knows that. NATO cannot defeat unarmed Northern Kosovo Serbs let alone the whole of Serbia.
(Teslavio, 10 June 2013 16:39)

Believing in myths, is not called patriotic. Grow up man and smell the coffee.

ida

pre 10 godina

Serbia cried "uncle" because the damage to the civilian infrastructure and people in Serbia was just too much. The military was fine and intact and willing to fight, but Serbia did not have the air defense capability to prevent most of the bombing damage.

They couldn't just keep taking that continuous bombing and no one knew when it would end.
They also needed to repair the heating plants and electricity grid before the winter.
If Serbia had Russian anti-aircraft batteries they could have shot down "scores of NATO aircraft per day". That's what a Russian military official said.

Serbia did shoot down many cruise missiles and shot down or damaged many planes - more than NATO would admit too - however it was only a small fraction of what NATO used.
Also, many of the shoot downs were AFTER the plane had bombed and damaged some facility/infrastructure.

Contrary to NATO claiming their planes only stayed high up, many of them did go low to bomb and it was then that they were hit.

Even video of the plane bombing the Chinese embassy, you can see that the plane is low and maybe only 100 feet up and off the the side as it shoots the missiles directly into the windows.

According to Venik's old aviation site the Serbs did shoot down that plane (which came all the way from Missouri) on its way back to Croatia after the bombing.

Dorothy

pre 10 godina

@Danilo
"Too bad they started by ethnically cleansing the Croat population from those areas."

I think you'll find that it was actually the other way around, but don't let chronological order complicate your grasp of history.

Pluralistic society?
So for you, today's Kosovo is an example of a pluralistic society is it?
Funny that there has not been any mention of Serbs in Kosovo, let alone the rest of Serbia , being given having the right
to veto decisions made by the Albanian "leadership" in Pristina.
And yet before the 90's Kosovo Albanians could veto the Serbian Parliament in Belgrade, but still claimed to be oppressed.

Is today's Croatia another successful example of pluralistic society as you understand it?
It used to have a 25% Serbian population before 1941, now reduced by genocide and ethnic cleansing to around 5%.
So much for Croatian pluralism.

The real tragi-comedy is that people like yourself seem to think that history will stop when and where it suits you.
It won't.

think again

pre 10 godina

Teslavio, 10 June 2013 16:39)
NATO has never engaged Kosovo Serbs in a fight. They have stood by and made sure that while the children were playing big men things never got out of hand. They could have easily mutilated the Serbs in the north but that was neither their goal nor mandate. So before thumping your chest at how you have showed the big NATO what a fierce fight machine you are remember they stood there and allowed you to play without having to shoot anyone. Their goal is to keep the peace and sometimes that means standing there when you want to really show what force really is. Do not confuse inaction as fear, that could be a deadly mistake.
And fighting would not be in the hills of Yugoslavia it would be in downtown Belgrade.

Danilo

pre 10 godina

"If NATO had attacked YU to stop Milosevic from carrying out his campaign, then why did NATO/US give Kosovo to Albanians after Milosevic departure?"


"NATO" didn't "give" Kosovo to 90% of the population that lives in Kosovo. Kosovo is independent because 90% of the people living there wanted to be independent.

What did Serbia do to try to woo back Kosovo in the NINE years between the ending of the bombing and Kosovo independence? Oh right - Nothing. On the contrary, they took an arrogant stance. They changed the constitution, by pencilling in "KOSOVO IS SRBIJA!" and had everyone but Albanians vote on it. Great harbinger of things to come under Serbian-ruled Kosovo.

Seriously... this "oh no, the whole world is against us and we didn't do anything" attitude of some people is just plain annoying.

Haverim Dohányaku

pre 10 godina

It was the most democratic, merciful and humanitarian mission of NATO ever. All respect to Hillary and Albright the most noble servants of humanity.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Dorothy said,
"And they got to be 90% of the population largely by illegal immigration and the ethnic cleansing of non Albanians by rape, assault and murder, during decades of communist patronage and complicity".

To which Danilo replied:


(Dorothy, 11 June 2013 13:13)
"If Tito let them in, as the story goes, it wasn't "illegal immigration", it was "immigration".
=========================

Tito did not let them in. They entered illegally and Tito turned a blind to it.
Also Danilo, what about the rape, terror and murder infliced by Albanians on Serbian population in order to drive them out and it worked.
What that legal because Tito approved? Just because someone turns a blind eye to something, it doesn't make it legal.

It's funny how you never address a part of someone's post which mentions the terror infliced on Serbs. Could it be that you can't defend the action and therefore just choose to ignore it? Could it be that you simply don't care what happens to Serbs but don't want to be so obvious?

Danilo

pre 10 godina

(Dorothy, 11 June 2013 13:13)
If Tito let them in, as the story goes, it wasn't "illegal immigration", it was "immigration". The Albanians are there. Don't like it? too bad. Also too bad you didn't grasp the idea of a pluralistic society. Learn from your mistakes, or just cry. Either way, you won't have your way by force anymore.

Yes, it's true that in Knin, most people wanted to be separate from Croatia. Too bad they started by ethnically cleansing the Croat population from those areas. Too bad, Maric tore up Plan Z without even reading it. You could have had more than an RS in Croatia, but your people's arrogance tore up that Plan Z instead. And now you want to cry about it and expect me to feel sorry? Sorry. Not going to happen.

How many times have Serbs played "all or nothing" and ended up with nothing?

What a tragic-comic tale is the Serbian story.

Artan

pre 10 godina

It owuld have been nice if Serbia would have granted Albanians what they had prior to 1989. A substantial autonomy. Than the situation would have been better and Serbia would have not lost the territory.

Very very foolish of Serbs.

mick

pre 10 godina

LOL @ T

Ok you say that, then Milosevic should have done this: (If I was in his place i would have done that)
Send Serbian/montenegrin Troops of the JNA into BIH and Croatia Never pull them out. Make a operation storm in Kosovo so that any anti Serbs would leave! And fight fire with fire Croats make an opertions storm The JNA should have stormed Zagreb. For Bosnia simple are you anti Yugoslav get out of the country.
Thats the same what tito did to his enemies, are you anti Tito/communist then leave the country/go to jail.
But this time it was enemies from the inside (Croats/Serbian muslims of BIH and albanians of Kosovo).

It would have been better if the NATO troops dared to invade YU,That would have been suicide for them, and if those bastards would kill innocent civilian Serbs that would get NATO in a bad picture in the media plus if they dared to push on and get Russia and China involved then WW3 would have happened.

Roger7

pre 10 godina

Rocky said "Serbia should have been completely leveled!"

What you want for others ... May the same be visited upon you and those you love.

Nutral

pre 10 godina

I love history revisionist. Nato was shocked on how intact the serbian military was during the withdrawl out of Kosovo. As for the situaton, its stinks. No one can say that the Albanians have it better right now then they did before the uprising. War is never good for the common citizen. The only ones that make out are the leaders / politicians. Everyone needs to move on already.

ninja304

pre 10 godina

the innocents that died did not desearve it, but the serbs in general did, and worse.

and to all of the uneducated propaganda spitters, the bosniaks are not "muslim serbs", the "bosnian serbs" are not even serbs, they are othodox bosniaks both genetically and historically, but they are brainwashed,
freedom for sandzak and it's people (muslim and orthodoz bosniaks) they should be with their true people.

femi

pre 10 godina

B92 cries out
“Beside the loss of lives, NATO's campaign also resulted in serious damage to the country's infracture, economy, educational, health-care, and media facilities, and historical and cultural monuments.”
Dear B92 if NATO damaged your education by bombing you for 78 days, have you ever thought of Serbian policy towards Kosovo (which closed all Albanian schools for all 16years olds-up for ten years) and the impact that had in our education?
Im sure you didn’t why would you be any different?
As much as I want to forgive Serbs of whatever they done to us, it is the closing of the schools in Albanian languages that I find impossible to forgive.

Reader

pre 10 godina

It is good people did not see in Belgrade the destruction experienced in Sarajevo, Mostar, Srebrenica, and Kosovo. Serbia got away with it easy with respect to its neighbors. And it's not like its leaders did not try to get more victims, what with the TV building story thing and all.

"as it shoots the missiles directly into the windows."
(ida, 11 June 2013 00:03)

Can you please post a link to that video? If true, it would be amazing to see that kind of surgical precision by a flying metal beast weighing tons piloted by a tiny man. Does it really show the missiles flying directly into the windows? How many missiles fly through the windows? Why oh why did you guys go fighting against such thing? Just plain stupid in my opinion.

J

pre 10 godina

"No one can say that the Albanians have it better right now then they did before the uprising. "
-- Actually Albanians have been saying that every day. Listen sometimes. It doesn't matter at all if the Serbs or some outsiders don't see it that way. If we keep telling you we have it a million times better now, then that's all that maters. It doesn't matter one bit if you're convinced about it or not.

T

pre 10 godina

NATO did not attack Yugoslavia for the sake of it. It attacked and stopped Milosevic from carrying out his murderous campaigns all over the Balkan. If Tito had lived an other 10 years Yugoslavia would still exist and most probably be among the most powerful nations today.

rote

pre 10 godina

Many people in Russia especially those who compose the elite still consider those bombings as personal insult and Russia’s guilt. Every week I meet mentioning of that attack as an revenged one. NATO asked Eltsyn to press at Slobo because they were limited with most of the missiles and bombs. They could strike for another two weeks after which the war could end as a matter of fact for any land operation would be fatal to NATO for there’s a big difference between the deserts of the Northern Africa and the green mountains of Yugoslavia the Yugoslavian army and the armed fellahs.

Kosova-USA

pre 10 godina

Many people in Russia especially those who compose the elite still consider those bombings as personal insult and Russia’s guilt. Every week I meet mentioning of that attack as an revenged one. NATO asked Eltsyn to press at Slobo because they were limited with most of the missiles and bombs. They could strike for another two weeks after which the war could end as a matter of fact for any land operation would be fatal to NATO for there’s a big difference between the deserts of the Northern Africa and the green mountains of Yugoslavia the Yugoslavian army and the armed fellahs.
(rote, 10 June 2013 13:03)

Actually, Slobo pulled the white flag when he notice the ground attack was imminent.

Rocky

pre 10 godina

78 days hmm, I would say that it was indeed short! NATO, and the civilized world had to watch for almost 10 years of Serbian state sponsored genocide and ethnic cleansing, Croatia Bosnia and then Kosova, in all this time, NATO warned Serbia 100s if not 1000s of times, that it must halt these military campaines of ethnic cleansing! Did Serbia heed these warnings? Serbia fully deserved the 78 day consequence! Again, in my opinion, Serbia should have been completely leveled!

Danilo

pre 10 godina

"If NATO had attacked YU to stop Milosevic from carrying out his campaign, then why did NATO/US give Kosovo to Albanians after Milosevic departure?"


"NATO" didn't "give" Kosovo to 90% of the population that lives in Kosovo. Kosovo is independent because 90% of the people living there wanted to be independent.

What did Serbia do to try to woo back Kosovo in the NINE years between the ending of the bombing and Kosovo independence? Oh right - Nothing. On the contrary, they took an arrogant stance. They changed the constitution, by pencilling in "KOSOVO IS SRBIJA!" and had everyone but Albanians vote on it. Great harbinger of things to come under Serbian-ruled Kosovo.

Seriously... this "oh no, the whole world is against us and we didn't do anything" attitude of some people is just plain annoying.

Haverim Dohányaku

pre 10 godina

It was the most democratic, merciful and humanitarian mission of NATO ever. All respect to Hillary and Albright the most noble servants of humanity.

ninja304

pre 10 godina

the innocents that died did not desearve it, but the serbs in general did, and worse.

and to all of the uneducated propaganda spitters, the bosniaks are not "muslim serbs", the "bosnian serbs" are not even serbs, they are othodox bosniaks both genetically and historically, but they are brainwashed,
freedom for sandzak and it's people (muslim and orthodoz bosniaks) they should be with their true people.

Teslavio

pre 10 godina

Actually, Slobo pulled the white flag when he notice the ground attack was imminent. (Kosova-USA, 10. jun 2013 15:18).Ground attack was never an option. Everybody knows that. NATO cannot defeat unarmed Northern Kosovo Serbs let alone the whole of Serbia.

The Count of Kosova

pre 10 godina

Ground attack was never an option. Everybody knows that. NATO cannot defeat unarmed Northern Kosovo Serbs let alone the whole of Serbia.
(Teslavio, 10 June 2013 16:39)

Then why did Serbia cry "uncle". Could it be that there were thousands of young Serb men who deserted from the army as well as many that failed to show up for induction to a severely demoralized army. There was no need for an invasion since Serbia rolled over rather easily.

Englishman

pre 10 godina

SERBIA: The only country in EUROPE to stand against our treacherous governments - AND WIN. Look where we are 14 years later - nothing was solved. More Albanians died during the bombardment than before go figure that one out - keep chanting albanians.

STAND PROUD SERBS FOR YOU HAVE MUCH TO BE PROUD OF !!!

Danilo

pre 10 godina

(Dorothy, 11 June 2013 13:13)
If Tito let them in, as the story goes, it wasn't "illegal immigration", it was "immigration". The Albanians are there. Don't like it? too bad. Also too bad you didn't grasp the idea of a pluralistic society. Learn from your mistakes, or just cry. Either way, you won't have your way by force anymore.

Yes, it's true that in Knin, most people wanted to be separate from Croatia. Too bad they started by ethnically cleansing the Croat population from those areas. Too bad, Maric tore up Plan Z without even reading it. You could have had more than an RS in Croatia, but your people's arrogance tore up that Plan Z instead. And now you want to cry about it and expect me to feel sorry? Sorry. Not going to happen.

How many times have Serbs played "all or nothing" and ended up with nothing?

What a tragic-comic tale is the Serbian story.

adrian kola

pre 10 godina

Typical B92, deliberately leaving out any the real reason why this happened: the vicious state-sponsored terrorism to ethnically clean Kosovo of its majority Albanian population. Dispecable!

Dorothy

pre 10 godina

@Danilo
""NATO" didn't "give" Kosovo to 90% of the population that lives in Kosovo. Kosovo is independent because 90% of the people living there wanted to be independent."

And they got to be 90% of the population largely by illegal immigration and the ethnic cleansing of non Albanians by rape, assault and murder, during decades of communist patronage and complicity.

BTW The majority of the people living in predominantly Serb Krajina in the early 90's wanted independence too, as do most Serbs in Bosnia today.

time to think

pre 10 godina

If NATO had attacked YU to stop Milosevic from carrying out his campaign, then why did NATO/US give Kosovo to Albanians after Milosevic departure?
(aaayyy, 10 June 2013 20:34)
Because what replaced Milosevic and still today is the same mentality only different names. Albanians would be no safer under Serbia today than in 1999 without international security forces.
Kosovo was not given to anyone it was to become a self governing society.

femi

pre 10 godina

B92 cries out
“Beside the loss of lives, NATO's campaign also resulted in serious damage to the country's infracture, economy, educational, health-care, and media facilities, and historical and cultural monuments.”
Dear B92 if NATO damaged your education by bombing you for 78 days, have you ever thought of Serbian policy towards Kosovo (which closed all Albanian schools for all 16years olds-up for ten years) and the impact that had in our education?
Im sure you didn’t why would you be any different?
As much as I want to forgive Serbs of whatever they done to us, it is the closing of the schools in Albanian languages that I find impossible to forgive.

the truth

pre 10 godina

Actually, Slobo pulled the white flag when he notice the ground attack was imminent. (Kosova-USA, 10. jun 2013 15:18).Ground attack was never an option. Everybody knows that. NATO cannot defeat unarmed Northern Kosovo Serbs let alone the whole of Serbia.
(Teslavio, 10 June 2013 16:39)

Believing in myths, is not called patriotic. Grow up man and smell the coffee.

What difference does my name make!

pre 10 godina

Then why did Serbia cry "uncle". Could it be that there were thousands of young Serb men who deserted from the army as well as many that failed to show up for induction to a severely demoralized army. There was no need for an invasion since Serbia rolled over rather easily.
(The Count of Kosova, 10 June 2013 22:36)


Were these the same Serbian soldiers that the terrorist KLA, even with the backing of all of NATO"s firepower, and the help of Jihadist terrorists from around the world on the ground, hid from in the mountains, like the true cowards they were, only to come down and loot, destroy and murder all things Serbian that they could, once they were certain these Serbs had made a full retreat and NATO forces were on the ground to protect them?
Are those the Serbs your talking about??

think again

pre 10 godina

Teslavio, 10 June 2013 16:39)
NATO has never engaged Kosovo Serbs in a fight. They have stood by and made sure that while the children were playing big men things never got out of hand. They could have easily mutilated the Serbs in the north but that was neither their goal nor mandate. So before thumping your chest at how you have showed the big NATO what a fierce fight machine you are remember they stood there and allowed you to play without having to shoot anyone. Their goal is to keep the peace and sometimes that means standing there when you want to really show what force really is. Do not confuse inaction as fear, that could be a deadly mistake.
And fighting would not be in the hills of Yugoslavia it would be in downtown Belgrade.

aaayyy

pre 10 godina

NATO did not attack Yugoslavia for the sake of it. It attacked and stopped Milosevic from carrying out his murderous campaigns all over the Balkan. (T, 10 June 2013 14:49)

NATO attacked Yugoslavia for the sake of giving Kosovo to Albanians.

If NATO had attacked YU to stop Milosevic from carrying out his campaign, then why did NATO/US give Kosovo to Albanians after Milosevic departure?

mick

pre 10 godina

LOL @ T

Ok you say that, then Milosevic should have done this: (If I was in his place i would have done that)
Send Serbian/montenegrin Troops of the JNA into BIH and Croatia Never pull them out. Make a operation storm in Kosovo so that any anti Serbs would leave! And fight fire with fire Croats make an opertions storm The JNA should have stormed Zagreb. For Bosnia simple are you anti Yugoslav get out of the country.
Thats the same what tito did to his enemies, are you anti Tito/communist then leave the country/go to jail.
But this time it was enemies from the inside (Croats/Serbian muslims of BIH and albanians of Kosovo).

It would have been better if the NATO troops dared to invade YU,That would have been suicide for them, and if those bastards would kill innocent civilian Serbs that would get NATO in a bad picture in the media plus if they dared to push on and get Russia and China involved then WW3 would have happened.

Roger7

pre 10 godina

Rocky said "Serbia should have been completely leveled!"

What you want for others ... May the same be visited upon you and those you love.

Artan

pre 10 godina

It owuld have been nice if Serbia would have granted Albanians what they had prior to 1989. A substantial autonomy. Than the situation would have been better and Serbia would have not lost the territory.

Very very foolish of Serbs.

Dragan

pre 10 godina

It looks like the self-hating Serb Danilo, who has no knowledge of history and simply repeats NATO's lies here, is in one of his moods again. My guess is he got shot down again by Serbian women and he still can't get a date in Beograd :).
Danilo, the kind of ignorant rubbish you spew on here is something I expect from albanians, croats and bosnian muslims. If you dislike Serbia so much, I suggest you move your business to Zagreb and have fun at the nazi Thompson concerts in that 'EU values' society you so admire. To call you an ignoramus would be a gross understatement.

Cheers!!

ida

pre 10 godina

Serbia cried "uncle" because the damage to the civilian infrastructure and people in Serbia was just too much. The military was fine and intact and willing to fight, but Serbia did not have the air defense capability to prevent most of the bombing damage.

They couldn't just keep taking that continuous bombing and no one knew when it would end.
They also needed to repair the heating plants and electricity grid before the winter.
If Serbia had Russian anti-aircraft batteries they could have shot down "scores of NATO aircraft per day". That's what a Russian military official said.

Serbia did shoot down many cruise missiles and shot down or damaged many planes - more than NATO would admit too - however it was only a small fraction of what NATO used.
Also, many of the shoot downs were AFTER the plane had bombed and damaged some facility/infrastructure.

Contrary to NATO claiming their planes only stayed high up, many of them did go low to bomb and it was then that they were hit.

Even video of the plane bombing the Chinese embassy, you can see that the plane is low and maybe only 100 feet up and off the the side as it shoots the missiles directly into the windows.

According to Venik's old aviation site the Serbs did shoot down that plane (which came all the way from Missouri) on its way back to Croatia after the bombing.

Peggy

pre 10 godina

Dorothy said,
"And they got to be 90% of the population largely by illegal immigration and the ethnic cleansing of non Albanians by rape, assault and murder, during decades of communist patronage and complicity".

To which Danilo replied:


(Dorothy, 11 June 2013 13:13)
"If Tito let them in, as the story goes, it wasn't "illegal immigration", it was "immigration".
=========================

Tito did not let them in. They entered illegally and Tito turned a blind to it.
Also Danilo, what about the rape, terror and murder infliced by Albanians on Serbian population in order to drive them out and it worked.
What that legal because Tito approved? Just because someone turns a blind eye to something, it doesn't make it legal.

It's funny how you never address a part of someone's post which mentions the terror infliced on Serbs. Could it be that you can't defend the action and therefore just choose to ignore it? Could it be that you simply don't care what happens to Serbs but don't want to be so obvious?

Reader

pre 10 godina

It is good people did not see in Belgrade the destruction experienced in Sarajevo, Mostar, Srebrenica, and Kosovo. Serbia got away with it easy with respect to its neighbors. And it's not like its leaders did not try to get more victims, what with the TV building story thing and all.

"as it shoots the missiles directly into the windows."
(ida, 11 June 2013 00:03)

Can you please post a link to that video? If true, it would be amazing to see that kind of surgical precision by a flying metal beast weighing tons piloted by a tiny man. Does it really show the missiles flying directly into the windows? How many missiles fly through the windows? Why oh why did you guys go fighting against such thing? Just plain stupid in my opinion.

J

pre 10 godina

"No one can say that the Albanians have it better right now then they did before the uprising. "
-- Actually Albanians have been saying that every day. Listen sometimes. It doesn't matter at all if the Serbs or some outsiders don't see it that way. If we keep telling you we have it a million times better now, then that's all that maters. It doesn't matter one bit if you're convinced about it or not.

The Balkans

pre 10 godina

Again, in my opinion, Serbia should have been completely leveled!
(Rocky, 10 June 2013 19:39)

Then I guess you are not better if not worse than the people who wished for Albanians to be kicked out of Kosovo.

Dorothy

pre 10 godina

@Danilo
"Too bad they started by ethnically cleansing the Croat population from those areas."

I think you'll find that it was actually the other way around, but don't let chronological order complicate your grasp of history.

Pluralistic society?
So for you, today's Kosovo is an example of a pluralistic society is it?
Funny that there has not been any mention of Serbs in Kosovo, let alone the rest of Serbia , being given having the right
to veto decisions made by the Albanian "leadership" in Pristina.
And yet before the 90's Kosovo Albanians could veto the Serbian Parliament in Belgrade, but still claimed to be oppressed.

Is today's Croatia another successful example of pluralistic society as you understand it?
It used to have a 25% Serbian population before 1941, now reduced by genocide and ethnic cleansing to around 5%.
So much for Croatian pluralism.

The real tragi-comedy is that people like yourself seem to think that history will stop when and where it suits you.
It won't.

Nutral

pre 10 godina

I love history revisionist. Nato was shocked on how intact the serbian military was during the withdrawl out of Kosovo. As for the situaton, its stinks. No one can say that the Albanians have it better right now then they did before the uprising. War is never good for the common citizen. The only ones that make out are the leaders / politicians. Everyone needs to move on already.