I still don't get it. You say "Kosova"* is independent and you dislike Serbs.
Zoran
I do not dislike Serbs, On the Contrary i think that we can live together in Kosovo with the Serbs, It's the Serb Politics that are problem at the moment.
And I would have to say that I applaud B92 as a Serb institution that allows all the Balkan Nationals to express their views.
As face it in 5 years time like it or not, in EU or not in EU people will get tired of this SH.. and will have to get along,trade and do business together and also live together side by side. Trust me, no one wants to send their beloved children to fight each other again, the lessons have been learned from all sides.
Of course there will be Albanians on this site, that is the whole point.
We are not talking here about the Cuban Missile Crisis. You have expressed your views about the partition of Kosovo, and it will be an Albanian that will reply to you with his opinion, and not Senor Escobar.
(Eagleeye, 17 October 2012 18:31)
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I still don't get it. You say "Kosova"* is independent and you dislike Serbs but you still come to a Serbian site? In fact, by my estimate, more Albanians visit the English section than Serbs.
Why don't you hang around K*-Albanian sites patting yourselves on the back and congratulating each other? Instead you all come here, like "Kosova"* is not independent and still needs Serbia's approval for important matters. If we lost KiM in 1999, as you keep telling us, then be gone and enjoy your freedom.
is this gonna be another one of those 500 year waits :-) ?
(Nikolle, 17 October 2012 18:58)
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LOL! Looks like your empire will be dead soon enough. BTW, Serbs survived those 500 years with our culture, religion and pride. You guys became Turks.
Yeah Mr Bildt, Your socialism/liberalism in Sweden and in Scandinavia will be your downfall eventually!!
Take some more immigrants to your country and more until the day Swedes become a minority in their own country...
Then we have a situation, that is against you. So my advise is keep on pushing like this eventually it will come back to you! That counts for all Kosovo supporters.
With God's help Kosovo will once again in the future belong to the Serbian people and all foreigners will be gone.
Was ther only ONE Serb "idea" in the last 20 years whcih was accepted by other countries? NO. If Kosovo is a part of Serbia you can not offer the partition. Only the proposal shows that you are ready to accept an independent Kosovo and so the Albanians have only to wait. What the West is "offering" to Serbia as "great solution forever" is the right to sing within a school some folk-songs and thats it. There will not come anything more. But the West is demanding heavy minorities rights for all the fake-minorities in Serbia. This was the way of Hitler to destroy Czechoslovakia, Poland etc: to make a big fass with "minority rights". Thepeople within Serbia are living in total poverty-how they will be able to organize a functioning system of social life for the Serbs in Kosovo? Its all dreaming of people without any education. Where is the input of all the Serbs in Western Europe with ideas, information etc. There is not only the poverty in the stomaches, there is more the poverty in the heads.
I finally agree with EU official on something. There should be no partition of Kosovo , or Serbia. Period. Unless other former YU republics can be partitioned too.
My friend, if there are more Albanians on this Serbian site than Serbs, what does that tell you?
Of course there will be Albanians on this site, that is the whole point.
We are not talking here about the Cuban Missile Crisis. You have expressed your views about the partition of Kosovo, and it will be an Albanian that will reply to you with his opinion, and not Senor Escobar.
Partition is the only pragmatic solution. If the EU does not want partition it means they do not want a solution for the Kosovo problem. That is symptomatic for the EU. It has proven itself incapable of solving problems. Economic and other.
2.5 Million Kosovans voting to chose to Stay with Serbia rather than Being Independent ( which is what they are ). No chance in a billion light years.
(Eagleeye, 17 October 2012 15:46)
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My friend, if there are more Albanians on this Serbian site than Serbs, what does that tell you? If you hate Serbia, why come here? If "Kosova"* is independent then why is Serbia being pressured to negotiate with Pristina and sign documents which relate to another "independent" country.
As for momentum my friend, instead of focusing on the micro issues, how about focusing on the geopolitical issue? As far as I can tell, Russia, China, India and our friends are gaining strength and consolidating with the countries around them (Ukraine, Georgia, Serbia, etc...) whereas the US and EU are going going down and starting to fracture (Scotland, Flemish region, Catalonia, Basque, Northern Ireland, Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland, Portugal, etc...).
If you think this has something to do with Karadzic then it is no wonder Albanians are blind. We Serbs are just waiting patiently.
I thought Bildt is on Serbia's side. OOPS.
(Avni, 17 October 2012 15:38)
He is. If he wasn't he'd push for partition, which forces Serbia to give up on the rest of Kosovo*, leaving the most important parts to Albanian mismanagement. He's a bigger friend of Serbia's than we could have hoped for since he's forcing Kosovo* to remain united and this "forcing" us to treat it as a whole, which means the same degrees of comprehensive autonomy that everyone knows is coming for the north, will also be given to the enclaves and churches for the center and south. We'll probably even get some more municipalities to manage before it's all done. We get more out of not partitioning Kosovo* than partitioning it. We get at least two, if not three RS's :)))
I saw a Video of the Soccer incident, and there was not much, but the English are good at manufacturing a situation.
It could be that the English Coached their Players to make a scene after, a Bribed Optor Serbs followed orders to make it look like someone was upset over supposedly racist chants.
The English are famous for whinging, and for scheming, and lying, and for promoting racism when they want to divide and rule Territories to commit Genocide.
The English are not that keen on admitting to their Many Genocides that they perpetrated over the Centuries.
I heard one Person’s term for the English, and it is English Thieves, because that is what they are, and have been for Centuries.
Cameron is a misfit, and even the English will tell you that, and this stage managed charade was done to cover up for his gross mismanagement of the British Economy.
I am not a fan of the German Government, but I was happy with the reference to the Muppets concerning that Muppet Cameron.
Serbia is building momentum??? Hahahaha
100,000 Serbians are living below poverty line, Serbian nationals have been put on notice they cannot e trusted. Talking to Serbian politicians is very similar talking to bunch of kids who cannot make up their mind about what they would want for lunch. Serbian football team is very close to getting banned from the league.
Is that the momentum Serbia is building up and taking pride on?
No partition suits me fine. We claim KiM to be ours while K*-Albanians claim "Kosova"* to be theirs. The reality will be a functional partition. K*-Albanians control their areas while the rest is controlled by Serbia. We then have more than autonomy, less than independence.
As I see it, momentum is on Serbia's side now. The longer this is delayed the better the outcome for us.
(Zoran, 17 October 2012 13:07)
Momentum in Serbia,s side?How, where and when?????/
Just a day ago, Serbian National is being charged for crimes against humanity and asks to be rewarded for what he has done, Serbian Football players and fans are being accused for Racist behaviour and chants, today British prime minister made his point about this issue.
And you say Momentum is in Serbia s side.
As for Kosovo, More than an Autonomy and less than an Independence. I laugh my socks off every time I hear this suggestion.
2.5 Million Kosovans voting to chose to Stay with Serbia rather than Being Independent ( which is what they are ). No chance in a billion light years.
Kosovo Albanians are in a desperate situation at the moment.No UN orEU membership and no prospect of having one in the years ahead.The reason why EU ministers like Biltd make statements daily is cos they are about to ditch Kosova.When that happens I can see Albanians killing each other.
Sweden for the Swedes mate, Serbia for the Serbs, all of it including Kosovo. The albos do not get one inch because it does not belong to them, they can all leave and go and live in Albania if they don't want to live in any part of Serbia. You could even take them to Sweden mr. Bildt if you love them that much. Either way we'll have what belongs to us and you can go whistle.
(Spartan, 17 October 2012 13:01)
There are more serbs living in Sweden then Albanians. Kosova is independent and it's nothing you can do about. Kosova is and will remain under Albanian control
"No partition suits me fine. We claim KiM to be ours while K*-Albanians claim "Kosova"* to be theirs. The reality will be a functional partition. "
(Zoran, 17 October 2012 13:07)
No, the reality is a dysfunctional partition: Whole Kosovo is far from being a state that deserves that name and far from a sustainable entity that can stand on its own feet. The people in the North depend on support from Serbia, the population of the South depends on international donor money (and all the money generated by the drug mafia and expatriates)
No partition suits me fine. We claim KiM to be ours while K*-Albanians claim "Kosova"* to be theirs. The reality will be a functional partition. K*-Albanians control their areas while the rest is controlled by Serbia. We then have more than autonomy, less than independence.
As I see it, momentum is on Serbia's side now. The longer this is delayed the better the outcome for us.
Sweden for the Swedes mate, Serbia for the Serbs, all of it including Kosovo. The albos do not get one inch because it does not belong to them, they can all leave and go and live in Albania if they don't want to live in any part of Serbia. You could even take them to Sweden mr. Bildt if you love them that much. Either way we'll have what belongs to us and you can go whistle.
Ben,
You have a pint and this is possibly the Solution, but could only be implemented after an International Balkan Conference and with the agreement and participation of all peoples of Balkans and Countries that share borders with Kosovo, Serbia and Vojvodina. Hungary and Bulgaria in particular.
Otherwise, I fear you are comparing Apples and Pears when you compare RS and Kosovo.
Kosovo was one of 8 constitutive elements of the former Yugoslav Federation with autonomy, president, parliament, government exactly like all other parts Serbia, Croatia etc, while RS was formed as a result of the War in Balkans, and some would claim as a result of ethnic cleaning.
Of course, whatever way it was created, it doesn't look like it will ever integrate to Bosnia, and could become an independent country open to all other neighboring Countries, or even longer term join Serbia but only with the blessing of Sarajevo and International Community.
As you can see, your idea is not all that wrong, but not very realistic to realize considering all the players involved and not many in agreement.
Serbia including its Southern Province of Kosovo belongs to all the People of the United Nations Country of Serbia including Kosovo.
A Partition of Kosovo must remain as one possible Solution, and the other Solution is that the black hole and white elephant that is Kosovo will be show up America’s and Germany’s excrement of ‘Humanitarian Intervention’.
The Kosovo Albanians need to tell the America and the European Union to leave Kosovo Completely and Permanently.
This will allow a Referendum on Partition to take place 7 years after the Kumanovo Agreement has been scrapped, the SAA Agreement has been Implemented, the Visa Free Travel to the European Union has been in place, the European Union Ascension Talks have been taking place, and America and NATO have Completely and Permanently left Kosovo.
The Kosovo Albanians need to tell the Americans and the European Union that the time has come for them to leave Kosovo not to interfere in other People’s Business.
You can see the insanity written all over their faces. Bildt's obsession of subjecting Serbia is shared by many policy makers in the West. Fortunately this will pass when these freaks do the same. Hoolbrooke was a good start.
In the mean time, who cares what the EU considers out of the question they do not live in the Balkans and should really take an interest over the unrest in Western Europe and what will continue to happen. The ordinary lives of Serbs would not be better by complying with the European Union. Serbs need to take their country back from the Otpor-ista's and everything that came with it.
Who cares what they say. They will not bomb Serbia again and 14 years ago that's exactly what happened. And what is on the table for them today will be considered impractical 14 years from today.
And even if Serbia completly complied, life will not be any better for Serbs than it is today, so basically...f' them
On the contrary, I support the partition better the exchange of territories. North Kosova goes with Serbia; east Serbia up to the border with Bulgaria goes back to Kosova. This then must be followed by reciprocal recognition of Kosova and Serbia- or no deal.
I also fully support the self-determination of Serbs in Bosnia. I cannot ask that for my people but deny others the same right. Serbs in Bosnia should be respected and if they wish they should unite to Serbia. Of course they will have to give up the parts of Bosnia they ethnically cleansed.
Macedonia on the other hand is proving to be non-functional state. Macedonia can function only as union of two independent states the Albanian part and the Slavic part. The new state should be named Balkan Federation or something like that which would be the only internationally recognized subject and that would solve also the name dispute with Greece.
You can see the insanity written all over their faces. Bildt's obsession of subjecting Serbia is shared by many policy makers in the West. Fortunately this will pass when these freaks do the same. Hoolbrooke was a good start.
In the mean time, who cares what the EU considers out of the question they do not live in the Balkans and should really take an interest over the unrest in Western Europe and what will continue to happen. The ordinary lives of Serbs would not be better by complying with the European Union. Serbs need to take their country back from the Otpor-ista's and everything that came with it.
Who cares what they say. They will not bomb Serbia again and 14 years ago that's exactly what happened. And what is on the table for them today will be considered impractical 14 years from today.
And even if Serbia completly complied, life will not be any better for Serbs than it is today, so basically...f' them
No partition suits me fine. We claim KiM to be ours while K*-Albanians claim "Kosova"* to be theirs. The reality will be a functional partition. K*-Albanians control their areas while the rest is controlled by Serbia. We then have more than autonomy, less than independence.
As I see it, momentum is on Serbia's side now. The longer this is delayed the better the outcome for us.
Sweden for the Swedes mate, Serbia for the Serbs, all of it including Kosovo. The albos do not get one inch because it does not belong to them, they can all leave and go and live in Albania if they don't want to live in any part of Serbia. You could even take them to Sweden mr. Bildt if you love them that much. Either way we'll have what belongs to us and you can go whistle.
Kosovo Albanians are in a desperate situation at the moment.No UN orEU membership and no prospect of having one in the years ahead.The reason why EU ministers like Biltd make statements daily is cos they are about to ditch Kosova.When that happens I can see Albanians killing each other.
No partition suits me fine. We claim KiM to be ours while K*-Albanians claim "Kosova"* to be theirs. The reality will be a functional partition. K*-Albanians control their areas while the rest is controlled by Serbia. We then have more than autonomy, less than independence.
As I see it, momentum is on Serbia's side now. The longer this is delayed the better the outcome for us.
(Zoran, 17 October 2012 13:07)
Momentum in Serbia,s side?How, where and when?????/
Just a day ago, Serbian National is being charged for crimes against humanity and asks to be rewarded for what he has done, Serbian Football players and fans are being accused for Racist behaviour and chants, today British prime minister made his point about this issue.
And you say Momentum is in Serbia s side.
As for Kosovo, More than an Autonomy and less than an Independence. I laugh my socks off every time I hear this suggestion.
2.5 Million Kosovans voting to chose to Stay with Serbia rather than Being Independent ( which is what they are ). No chance in a billion light years.
Ben,
You have a pint and this is possibly the Solution, but could only be implemented after an International Balkan Conference and with the agreement and participation of all peoples of Balkans and Countries that share borders with Kosovo, Serbia and Vojvodina. Hungary and Bulgaria in particular.
Otherwise, I fear you are comparing Apples and Pears when you compare RS and Kosovo.
Kosovo was one of 8 constitutive elements of the former Yugoslav Federation with autonomy, president, parliament, government exactly like all other parts Serbia, Croatia etc, while RS was formed as a result of the War in Balkans, and some would claim as a result of ethnic cleaning.
Of course, whatever way it was created, it doesn't look like it will ever integrate to Bosnia, and could become an independent country open to all other neighboring Countries, or even longer term join Serbia but only with the blessing of Sarajevo and International Community.
As you can see, your idea is not all that wrong, but not very realistic to realize considering all the players involved and not many in agreement.
Sweden for the Swedes mate, Serbia for the Serbs, all of it including Kosovo. The albos do not get one inch because it does not belong to them, they can all leave and go and live in Albania if they don't want to live in any part of Serbia. You could even take them to Sweden mr. Bildt if you love them that much. Either way we'll have what belongs to us and you can go whistle.
(Spartan, 17 October 2012 13:01)
There are more serbs living in Sweden then Albanians. Kosova is independent and it's nothing you can do about. Kosova is and will remain under Albanian control
Serbia including its Southern Province of Kosovo belongs to all the People of the United Nations Country of Serbia including Kosovo.
A Partition of Kosovo must remain as one possible Solution, and the other Solution is that the black hole and white elephant that is Kosovo will be show up America’s and Germany’s excrement of ‘Humanitarian Intervention’.
The Kosovo Albanians need to tell the America and the European Union to leave Kosovo Completely and Permanently.
This will allow a Referendum on Partition to take place 7 years after the Kumanovo Agreement has been scrapped, the SAA Agreement has been Implemented, the Visa Free Travel to the European Union has been in place, the European Union Ascension Talks have been taking place, and America and NATO have Completely and Permanently left Kosovo.
The Kosovo Albanians need to tell the Americans and the European Union that the time has come for them to leave Kosovo not to interfere in other People’s Business.
On the contrary, I support the partition better the exchange of territories. North Kosova goes with Serbia; east Serbia up to the border with Bulgaria goes back to Kosova. This then must be followed by reciprocal recognition of Kosova and Serbia- or no deal.
I also fully support the self-determination of Serbs in Bosnia. I cannot ask that for my people but deny others the same right. Serbs in Bosnia should be respected and if they wish they should unite to Serbia. Of course they will have to give up the parts of Bosnia they ethnically cleansed.
Macedonia on the other hand is proving to be non-functional state. Macedonia can function only as union of two independent states the Albanian part and the Slavic part. The new state should be named Balkan Federation or something like that which would be the only internationally recognized subject and that would solve also the name dispute with Greece.
Serbia is building momentum??? Hahahaha
100,000 Serbians are living below poverty line, Serbian nationals have been put on notice they cannot e trusted. Talking to Serbian politicians is very similar talking to bunch of kids who cannot make up their mind about what they would want for lunch. Serbian football team is very close to getting banned from the league.
Is that the momentum Serbia is building up and taking pride on?
I thought Bildt is on Serbia's side. OOPS.
(Avni, 17 October 2012 15:38)
He is. If he wasn't he'd push for partition, which forces Serbia to give up on the rest of Kosovo*, leaving the most important parts to Albanian mismanagement. He's a bigger friend of Serbia's than we could have hoped for since he's forcing Kosovo* to remain united and this "forcing" us to treat it as a whole, which means the same degrees of comprehensive autonomy that everyone knows is coming for the north, will also be given to the enclaves and churches for the center and south. We'll probably even get some more municipalities to manage before it's all done. We get more out of not partitioning Kosovo* than partitioning it. We get at least two, if not three RS's :)))
I finally agree with EU official on something. There should be no partition of Kosovo , or Serbia. Period. Unless other former YU republics can be partitioned too.
My friend, if there are more Albanians on this Serbian site than Serbs, what does that tell you?
Of course there will be Albanians on this site, that is the whole point.
We are not talking here about the Cuban Missile Crisis. You have expressed your views about the partition of Kosovo, and it will be an Albanian that will reply to you with his opinion, and not Senor Escobar.
"No partition suits me fine. We claim KiM to be ours while K*-Albanians claim "Kosova"* to be theirs. The reality will be a functional partition. "
(Zoran, 17 October 2012 13:07)
No, the reality is a dysfunctional partition: Whole Kosovo is far from being a state that deserves that name and far from a sustainable entity that can stand on its own feet. The people in the North depend on support from Serbia, the population of the South depends on international donor money (and all the money generated by the drug mafia and expatriates)
Of course there will be Albanians on this site, that is the whole point.
We are not talking here about the Cuban Missile Crisis. You have expressed your views about the partition of Kosovo, and it will be an Albanian that will reply to you with his opinion, and not Senor Escobar.
(Eagleeye, 17 October 2012 18:31)
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I still don't get it. You say "Kosova"* is independent and you dislike Serbs but you still come to a Serbian site? In fact, by my estimate, more Albanians visit the English section than Serbs.
Why don't you hang around K*-Albanian sites patting yourselves on the back and congratulating each other? Instead you all come here, like "Kosova"* is not independent and still needs Serbia's approval for important matters. If we lost KiM in 1999, as you keep telling us, then be gone and enjoy your freedom.
Partition is the only pragmatic solution. If the EU does not want partition it means they do not want a solution for the Kosovo problem. That is symptomatic for the EU. It has proven itself incapable of solving problems. Economic and other.
I saw a Video of the Soccer incident, and there was not much, but the English are good at manufacturing a situation.
It could be that the English Coached their Players to make a scene after, a Bribed Optor Serbs followed orders to make it look like someone was upset over supposedly racist chants.
The English are famous for whinging, and for scheming, and lying, and for promoting racism when they want to divide and rule Territories to commit Genocide.
The English are not that keen on admitting to their Many Genocides that they perpetrated over the Centuries.
I heard one Person’s term for the English, and it is English Thieves, because that is what they are, and have been for Centuries.
Cameron is a misfit, and even the English will tell you that, and this stage managed charade was done to cover up for his gross mismanagement of the British Economy.
I am not a fan of the German Government, but I was happy with the reference to the Muppets concerning that Muppet Cameron.
2.5 Million Kosovans voting to chose to Stay with Serbia rather than Being Independent ( which is what they are ). No chance in a billion light years.
(Eagleeye, 17 October 2012 15:46)
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My friend, if there are more Albanians on this Serbian site than Serbs, what does that tell you? If you hate Serbia, why come here? If "Kosova"* is independent then why is Serbia being pressured to negotiate with Pristina and sign documents which relate to another "independent" country.
As for momentum my friend, instead of focusing on the micro issues, how about focusing on the geopolitical issue? As far as I can tell, Russia, China, India and our friends are gaining strength and consolidating with the countries around them (Ukraine, Georgia, Serbia, etc...) whereas the US and EU are going going down and starting to fracture (Scotland, Flemish region, Catalonia, Basque, Northern Ireland, Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland, Portugal, etc...).
If you think this has something to do with Karadzic then it is no wonder Albanians are blind. We Serbs are just waiting patiently.
I still don't get it. You say "Kosova"* is independent and you dislike Serbs.
Zoran
I do not dislike Serbs, On the Contrary i think that we can live together in Kosovo with the Serbs, It's the Serb Politics that are problem at the moment.
And I would have to say that I applaud B92 as a Serb institution that allows all the Balkan Nationals to express their views.
As face it in 5 years time like it or not, in EU or not in EU people will get tired of this SH.. and will have to get along,trade and do business together and also live together side by side. Trust me, no one wants to send their beloved children to fight each other again, the lessons have been learned from all sides.
Yeah Mr Bildt, Your socialism/liberalism in Sweden and in Scandinavia will be your downfall eventually!!
Take some more immigrants to your country and more until the day Swedes become a minority in their own country...
Then we have a situation, that is against you. So my advise is keep on pushing like this eventually it will come back to you! That counts for all Kosovo supporters.
With God's help Kosovo will once again in the future belong to the Serbian people and all foreigners will be gone.
is this gonna be another one of those 500 year waits :-) ?
(Nikolle, 17 October 2012 18:58)
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LOL! Looks like your empire will be dead soon enough. BTW, Serbs survived those 500 years with our culture, religion and pride. You guys became Turks.
Was ther only ONE Serb "idea" in the last 20 years whcih was accepted by other countries? NO. If Kosovo is a part of Serbia you can not offer the partition. Only the proposal shows that you are ready to accept an independent Kosovo and so the Albanians have only to wait. What the West is "offering" to Serbia as "great solution forever" is the right to sing within a school some folk-songs and thats it. There will not come anything more. But the West is demanding heavy minorities rights for all the fake-minorities in Serbia. This was the way of Hitler to destroy Czechoslovakia, Poland etc: to make a big fass with "minority rights". Thepeople within Serbia are living in total poverty-how they will be able to organize a functioning system of social life for the Serbs in Kosovo? Its all dreaming of people without any education. Where is the input of all the Serbs in Western Europe with ideas, information etc. There is not only the poverty in the stomaches, there is more the poverty in the heads.
Serbia including its Southern Province of Kosovo belongs to all the People of the United Nations Country of Serbia including Kosovo.
A Partition of Kosovo must remain as one possible Solution, and the other Solution is that the black hole and white elephant that is Kosovo will be show up America’s and Germany’s excrement of ‘Humanitarian Intervention’.
The Kosovo Albanians need to tell the America and the European Union to leave Kosovo Completely and Permanently.
This will allow a Referendum on Partition to take place 7 years after the Kumanovo Agreement has been scrapped, the SAA Agreement has been Implemented, the Visa Free Travel to the European Union has been in place, the European Union Ascension Talks have been taking place, and America and NATO have Completely and Permanently left Kosovo.
The Kosovo Albanians need to tell the Americans and the European Union that the time has come for them to leave Kosovo not to interfere in other People’s Business.
You can see the insanity written all over their faces. Bildt's obsession of subjecting Serbia is shared by many policy makers in the West. Fortunately this will pass when these freaks do the same. Hoolbrooke was a good start.
In the mean time, who cares what the EU considers out of the question they do not live in the Balkans and should really take an interest over the unrest in Western Europe and what will continue to happen. The ordinary lives of Serbs would not be better by complying with the European Union. Serbs need to take their country back from the Otpor-ista's and everything that came with it.
Who cares what they say. They will not bomb Serbia again and 14 years ago that's exactly what happened. And what is on the table for them today will be considered impractical 14 years from today.
And even if Serbia completly complied, life will not be any better for Serbs than it is today, so basically...f' them
Sweden for the Swedes mate, Serbia for the Serbs, all of it including Kosovo. The albos do not get one inch because it does not belong to them, they can all leave and go and live in Albania if they don't want to live in any part of Serbia. You could even take them to Sweden mr. Bildt if you love them that much. Either way we'll have what belongs to us and you can go whistle.
No partition suits me fine. We claim KiM to be ours while K*-Albanians claim "Kosova"* to be theirs. The reality will be a functional partition. K*-Albanians control their areas while the rest is controlled by Serbia. We then have more than autonomy, less than independence.
As I see it, momentum is on Serbia's side now. The longer this is delayed the better the outcome for us.
On the contrary, I support the partition better the exchange of territories. North Kosova goes with Serbia; east Serbia up to the border with Bulgaria goes back to Kosova. This then must be followed by reciprocal recognition of Kosova and Serbia- or no deal.
I also fully support the self-determination of Serbs in Bosnia. I cannot ask that for my people but deny others the same right. Serbs in Bosnia should be respected and if they wish they should unite to Serbia. Of course they will have to give up the parts of Bosnia they ethnically cleansed.
Macedonia on the other hand is proving to be non-functional state. Macedonia can function only as union of two independent states the Albanian part and the Slavic part. The new state should be named Balkan Federation or something like that which would be the only internationally recognized subject and that would solve also the name dispute with Greece.
Kosovo Albanians are in a desperate situation at the moment.No UN orEU membership and no prospect of having one in the years ahead.The reason why EU ministers like Biltd make statements daily is cos they are about to ditch Kosova.When that happens I can see Albanians killing each other.
"No partition suits me fine. We claim KiM to be ours while K*-Albanians claim "Kosova"* to be theirs. The reality will be a functional partition. "
(Zoran, 17 October 2012 13:07)
No, the reality is a dysfunctional partition: Whole Kosovo is far from being a state that deserves that name and far from a sustainable entity that can stand on its own feet. The people in the North depend on support from Serbia, the population of the South depends on international donor money (and all the money generated by the drug mafia and expatriates)
Sweden for the Swedes mate, Serbia for the Serbs, all of it including Kosovo. The albos do not get one inch because it does not belong to them, they can all leave and go and live in Albania if they don't want to live in any part of Serbia. You could even take them to Sweden mr. Bildt if you love them that much. Either way we'll have what belongs to us and you can go whistle.
(Spartan, 17 October 2012 13:01)
There are more serbs living in Sweden then Albanians. Kosova is independent and it's nothing you can do about. Kosova is and will remain under Albanian control
No partition suits me fine. We claim KiM to be ours while K*-Albanians claim "Kosova"* to be theirs. The reality will be a functional partition. K*-Albanians control their areas while the rest is controlled by Serbia. We then have more than autonomy, less than independence.
As I see it, momentum is on Serbia's side now. The longer this is delayed the better the outcome for us.
(Zoran, 17 October 2012 13:07)
Momentum in Serbia,s side?How, where and when?????/
Just a day ago, Serbian National is being charged for crimes against humanity and asks to be rewarded for what he has done, Serbian Football players and fans are being accused for Racist behaviour and chants, today British prime minister made his point about this issue.
And you say Momentum is in Serbia s side.
As for Kosovo, More than an Autonomy and less than an Independence. I laugh my socks off every time I hear this suggestion.
2.5 Million Kosovans voting to chose to Stay with Serbia rather than Being Independent ( which is what they are ). No chance in a billion light years.
I saw a Video of the Soccer incident, and there was not much, but the English are good at manufacturing a situation.
It could be that the English Coached their Players to make a scene after, a Bribed Optor Serbs followed orders to make it look like someone was upset over supposedly racist chants.
The English are famous for whinging, and for scheming, and lying, and for promoting racism when they want to divide and rule Territories to commit Genocide.
The English are not that keen on admitting to their Many Genocides that they perpetrated over the Centuries.
I heard one Person’s term for the English, and it is English Thieves, because that is what they are, and have been for Centuries.
Cameron is a misfit, and even the English will tell you that, and this stage managed charade was done to cover up for his gross mismanagement of the British Economy.
I am not a fan of the German Government, but I was happy with the reference to the Muppets concerning that Muppet Cameron.
Serbia is building momentum??? Hahahaha
100,000 Serbians are living below poverty line, Serbian nationals have been put on notice they cannot e trusted. Talking to Serbian politicians is very similar talking to bunch of kids who cannot make up their mind about what they would want for lunch. Serbian football team is very close to getting banned from the league.
Is that the momentum Serbia is building up and taking pride on?
Ben,
You have a pint and this is possibly the Solution, but could only be implemented after an International Balkan Conference and with the agreement and participation of all peoples of Balkans and Countries that share borders with Kosovo, Serbia and Vojvodina. Hungary and Bulgaria in particular.
Otherwise, I fear you are comparing Apples and Pears when you compare RS and Kosovo.
Kosovo was one of 8 constitutive elements of the former Yugoslav Federation with autonomy, president, parliament, government exactly like all other parts Serbia, Croatia etc, while RS was formed as a result of the War in Balkans, and some would claim as a result of ethnic cleaning.
Of course, whatever way it was created, it doesn't look like it will ever integrate to Bosnia, and could become an independent country open to all other neighboring Countries, or even longer term join Serbia but only with the blessing of Sarajevo and International Community.
As you can see, your idea is not all that wrong, but not very realistic to realize considering all the players involved and not many in agreement.
I thought Bildt is on Serbia's side. OOPS.
(Avni, 17 October 2012 15:38)
He is. If he wasn't he'd push for partition, which forces Serbia to give up on the rest of Kosovo*, leaving the most important parts to Albanian mismanagement. He's a bigger friend of Serbia's than we could have hoped for since he's forcing Kosovo* to remain united and this "forcing" us to treat it as a whole, which means the same degrees of comprehensive autonomy that everyone knows is coming for the north, will also be given to the enclaves and churches for the center and south. We'll probably even get some more municipalities to manage before it's all done. We get more out of not partitioning Kosovo* than partitioning it. We get at least two, if not three RS's :)))
2.5 Million Kosovans voting to chose to Stay with Serbia rather than Being Independent ( which is what they are ). No chance in a billion light years.
(Eagleeye, 17 October 2012 15:46)
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My friend, if there are more Albanians on this Serbian site than Serbs, what does that tell you? If you hate Serbia, why come here? If "Kosova"* is independent then why is Serbia being pressured to negotiate with Pristina and sign documents which relate to another "independent" country.
As for momentum my friend, instead of focusing on the micro issues, how about focusing on the geopolitical issue? As far as I can tell, Russia, China, India and our friends are gaining strength and consolidating with the countries around them (Ukraine, Georgia, Serbia, etc...) whereas the US and EU are going going down and starting to fracture (Scotland, Flemish region, Catalonia, Basque, Northern Ireland, Greece, Spain, Italy, Ireland, Portugal, etc...).
If you think this has something to do with Karadzic then it is no wonder Albanians are blind. We Serbs are just waiting patiently.
Partition is the only pragmatic solution. If the EU does not want partition it means they do not want a solution for the Kosovo problem. That is symptomatic for the EU. It has proven itself incapable of solving problems. Economic and other.
is this gonna be another one of those 500 year waits :-) ?
(Nikolle, 17 October 2012 18:58)
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LOL! Looks like your empire will be dead soon enough. BTW, Serbs survived those 500 years with our culture, religion and pride. You guys became Turks.
I finally agree with EU official on something. There should be no partition of Kosovo , or Serbia. Period. Unless other former YU republics can be partitioned too.
Yeah Mr Bildt, Your socialism/liberalism in Sweden and in Scandinavia will be your downfall eventually!!
Take some more immigrants to your country and more until the day Swedes become a minority in their own country...
Then we have a situation, that is against you. So my advise is keep on pushing like this eventually it will come back to you! That counts for all Kosovo supporters.
With God's help Kosovo will once again in the future belong to the Serbian people and all foreigners will be gone.
Of course there will be Albanians on this site, that is the whole point.
We are not talking here about the Cuban Missile Crisis. You have expressed your views about the partition of Kosovo, and it will be an Albanian that will reply to you with his opinion, and not Senor Escobar.
(Eagleeye, 17 October 2012 18:31)
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I still don't get it. You say "Kosova"* is independent and you dislike Serbs but you still come to a Serbian site? In fact, by my estimate, more Albanians visit the English section than Serbs.
Why don't you hang around K*-Albanian sites patting yourselves on the back and congratulating each other? Instead you all come here, like "Kosova"* is not independent and still needs Serbia's approval for important matters. If we lost KiM in 1999, as you keep telling us, then be gone and enjoy your freedom.
My friend, if there are more Albanians on this Serbian site than Serbs, what does that tell you?
Of course there will be Albanians on this site, that is the whole point.
We are not talking here about the Cuban Missile Crisis. You have expressed your views about the partition of Kosovo, and it will be an Albanian that will reply to you with his opinion, and not Senor Escobar.
I still don't get it. You say "Kosova"* is independent and you dislike Serbs.
Zoran
I do not dislike Serbs, On the Contrary i think that we can live together in Kosovo with the Serbs, It's the Serb Politics that are problem at the moment.
And I would have to say that I applaud B92 as a Serb institution that allows all the Balkan Nationals to express their views.
As face it in 5 years time like it or not, in EU or not in EU people will get tired of this SH.. and will have to get along,trade and do business together and also live together side by side. Trust me, no one wants to send their beloved children to fight each other again, the lessons have been learned from all sides.
Was ther only ONE Serb "idea" in the last 20 years whcih was accepted by other countries? NO. If Kosovo is a part of Serbia you can not offer the partition. Only the proposal shows that you are ready to accept an independent Kosovo and so the Albanians have only to wait. What the West is "offering" to Serbia as "great solution forever" is the right to sing within a school some folk-songs and thats it. There will not come anything more. But the West is demanding heavy minorities rights for all the fake-minorities in Serbia. This was the way of Hitler to destroy Czechoslovakia, Poland etc: to make a big fass with "minority rights". Thepeople within Serbia are living in total poverty-how they will be able to organize a functioning system of social life for the Serbs in Kosovo? Its all dreaming of people without any education. Where is the input of all the Serbs in Western Europe with ideas, information etc. There is not only the poverty in the stomaches, there is more the poverty in the heads.
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