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PM reiterates: Kosovo partition is only solution

Serbian Prime Minister Ivica Dačić has once again repeated that the partition of Kosovo is the only true solution.

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Proud to be ILIR

pre 11 godina

@ my dear radical serb friend who thinks he's better than Albanians


Judging from the frequency in which you respond to any Alb-Illir link on B92, I conclude that you are indeed obsessed with the theory.
I could not care less whether anyone or especially a radical serb thinks about me based only on my Albanian nationality.
You can laugh or cry all you want for whatever reason, including on my avowal to be proud descendant of Illyrians.
We both know only the radical serbs have a problem with that for obvious reasons.

As for my inferiority complex which you think i indicated on my nickname,
You clearly have a problem comprehending English.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@"proud to be ILIR":

no, my dear k-albanian friend, I am certainly not obsessed with albanian inferiority complexes...

what you fail to understand is that I am laughing at you.

you are a joke to me, do you understand that at all?

and you are even underlining this your inferiority complex with your chosen nick-name here...

thank you for making me laugh again!


ps: you would´t love to be the descendants of the Illyrians, but in fact you´re a bunch of poor souls without meaning.

J

pre 11 godina

Short term memory loss is one of the first signs of early onset Alzheimers. If you remember correctly it was the UN led negotiations that came to a close with the conclusion a negotiated settlement was impossible and resulted in the development of the Ahtissaari Plan, then with a 2nd attempt by the troika from the UN led to the majority opinion no settlement was possible which led to the Albanians enacting unilaterally.

-- Correction it was Serbia that acted unilaterally in the middle of negotiations, coming up with a constitution that unilaterally attempted to set Kosova's status even though it had agreed that there would be no unilateral actions while negotiations were going on. Mind you it attempted to set the status by depriving its inhabitants the right to have a say on it. Kosova's actions were in clear sync with Ahtisari's proposal. Meaning not unilateral since the UN gave him the power to propose such a status; and this was after Serbia had unilaterally killed off the negotiation process with its unilateral move.

Proud to be ILIR

pre 11 godina

@ jovan who is obsessed with the Albanian-Illyrian Theory

Every Albanian is proud to be descendant of the Illyrians. Its not a matter to gain significance in history its a matter of identity.
The Illyrians did not do much in history other than fighting within their other clans. Same as Albanians who didn't bother to unite and form a nation until their neighbors threatened to annex their lands just because they saw them as inferior.

As if conquering; Dalmatia, Pannonia and even Dardania was not enough to the greedy land grabbing slavs.

The greed was their undoing in Yugoslavia.

Fac

pre 11 godina

@ Daniel:
Thanks for explanation, that makes clear everything.
We have a saying: "you are what your mother comes from"! I understand your point if view, but though you are born and raised in US, still, you should read about history of Balkans, specifically for ancient nations before Slavs spread over the peninsula in IX century!

Jovan

pre 11 godina

whooazaa... Iso, wait a minute! you´re coming up with a youtube-videoclip in order to present some arguments in favour of your illyrian myth?

that´s quite daring! =)


well, without going into details about the level of stupidity in regard to coming up with youtube here... you should rather ask your compatriot Adem, he at least tried it with a ( paid ) study from a western-american scholar... but dragging youtube into this... wow, I was impressed, though.

Iso, to be honest, ...all you Albanians are bragging about is complete nonsense, invented to please your bittered souls. since you have no significant historical achievements to present, you are forced to come up with your phantasies, and even with ridiculous youtube-videos...

it´s so pathetic.

a New Day

pre 11 godina

He seems to be the only smart politician here! I agree 100%. The Albanians would get rid of the Serbs whom don't want to be under their control and the Serbs living in Kosovo would have peace. Then, Serbia would recognize an independent Kosovo and all would be happy. There is no reason to fight for the North. Albanians are only doing so because the US, Germany, and Great Brittan insist upon it. They think that they save face by keeping their impossible position. Pride is a bad thing! Let's move forward with this plan!!!
(Daniel, 6 October 2012 16:51)
What you say could be true but think about this scenario. If Serbia suggested it and the west supported it immediately then negotiations took place, Serbs would not feel like they won anything. Isn't that in reality what this is all about, even Jeremic has said it in the UNSC there cannot be a settlement where one side wins everything and the other side wins nothing. So IF this is to be the true course and Serbia suggests it expect to be a hard battle and much sweat and and disgust and rumbling and statements that it will never happen, and Serbs will have to struggle in the negotiation process and fight with all their might, and then in conclusion Serbia WINS and the Albanians WIN.
Serbia is never going to prosper with Kosovo hanging around its neck, and Kosovo will never prosper with the north hanging around its.

a New Day

pre 11 godina

because they lost All credibility long ago, and these Negotiations should be mediated by the United Nations, because it is a United Nations matter.
(Yet Another J S, 7 October 2012 13:45)
Short term memory loss is one of the first signs of early onset Alzheimers. If you remember correctly it was the UN led negotiations that came to a close with the conclusion a negotiated settlement was impossible and resulted in the development of the Ahtissaari Plan, then with a 2nd attempt by the troika from the UN led to the majority opinion no settlement was possible which led to the Albanians enacting unilaterally.
Or maybe you are talking about another UN somewhere?
But I do agree with your first part in this involves Kosovo and Kosovo alone and a solution is not in the exchange of any other territory.

Yet Another J S

pre 11 godina

The solution for Kosovo has to be a compromise that the People of Serbia and its Province of Kosovo have to live with, and not anyone else.

This is why it should have nothing to do with whether Serbia will join the European Union or not, because that is not the basis for a solution.

According to United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244, the compromise only involves the territory of Serbia’s Province of Kosovo.

This is because there was never any discussions of any other territory of Southern Serbia, like Presevo Valley, and if the Albanians want territory that is not in Kosovo, then everyone will know that it is Entirely for Racist reasons.

America and the European Union are in a weakened position to what they were before their Secret Conspiracy became Globally known, and they may not be able to allow Albanian Racism to be once again be used as a pretext for wanting Independence.

Kosovo has already set that Secret Precedent, but People are awaking to the Fact that the attempt by the Albanians to steal Kosovo is Entirely based on Racism, where America and the European Union used the bogus claim of humanitarian intervention to cover up these Shameful Facts.

This is why a compromise just between the Serbs and Albanians over Kosovo is appropriate, and the European Union should not be the biased mediators, because they lost All credibility long ago, and these Negotiations should be mediated by the United Nations, because it is a United Nations matter.

iso

pre 11 godina

Hahaha you really think that Serbia would give away part of its own teritory? Kosovo is Serbia
(Solution, 7 October 2012 07:41)
Excuse me but why is your prime minister barking about this solution then?

(Jovan, 7 October 2012 01:04)
It looks strange when you see only serbs denying strongly the albanian-illyrian ties , it`s all about providing an excuse for the Kosovo myth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAIXnpMhlC4 This is a research from the Austrian Science Fund FWF , go and check the E3b gene analysis

You`ve only have to be blind to not accept such truth, and knowing that illyrians had no Writing systems doesn`t surprise me why albanians didn`t have one until 15-th century as well.

Renko

pre 11 godina

Would the areas around Strpce and the other enclaves also have the right to join Serbia - and what about the Gorani?
Hopefully these islands would be free to choose.
Such islands exist quite happily between Armenia and Azerbaijan.

Krasniq't

pre 11 godina

If this was to be discussed at next round of dialogue, please expect the for the north of Kosovo, Prishtina would want your korridor 8, the presevo valley, with this you will lose your closest rout to the sea. But I guess you can use the Kosovo, Albanian motorway to get to the adriatic!

Secondly, the EU does not care about pesants, it made that mistake with Bulgaria. So trying to play bad cop good cop will not work.

icj1

pre 11 godina

What happened to 'Kosovo is the heart of Serbia'? Ari, are you there?
(cry me a river, 6 October 2012 21:00)

Ari has remained speachless... He/she could not fathom how a member of such a patriotic governing coalition could even think, let alone utter such heresy.

lowe

pre 11 godina

"Presevo,Medveg,Bujanovc for N.Mitrovica.
(Mark, 6 October 2012 18:37)"

In case you just woke up from a coma and didn't know, Medveda's population is majority Serb today.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

well, seems like he is really speaking only for himself. ..because, there is something should not forget: the serbian constitution has made it very clear, it´s serbian territory. get over it Dacic, and especially you, my dear k-albanian friends.

@Adem:

well, you mentioned a beggar after a wedding... but actually the first thing that came to my mind in regard to Albanians is stealing wood and running away when a real army is approaching. oh, just one question, do you still cling to your alleged illyrian ancestry? =) ...if I recall it right, then you´ve been the K-albanian who came up with genetics..

if you are the one, so please could you explain to me why some linguist-experts claim that your language has borrowed all its vocabulary from other languages, except some 200 words?

how comes that those illyrians managed to survive in the albanian mountains all those occupators, and even "stronger and more dangerous than the Serbs" but were not capable of maintaining their very own language? oh as a sidenote, the same expert writes that the earliest albanian written texts are dating to the 15th century... strange, isn´t it? =) you will very likely try to explain all this ( if at all ) with genetics, right?
oh, just if it is of interest for you, check the source for yourself! cheers!

Larry Trask: Historical Linguistics. Hodder Arnold, London 1996, 8.3, ISBN 0-340-60758-0.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

To Daniel;

Such a comment you made gives reader a thought that you are out of your mind! Even a child with 6 years old has his own pride! It's not about part of the land, it is about part of integrity, sovereignty and off course pride!
The name that you have given leaves impression that you belong to one of European or western countries, but your opinion on cleaning up territories in ethnically basis doesn't fit with reality! Kosovo is a country where multiple ethnicity live, not only Albanians and Serbs, but many other too!
(Fac, 6 October 2012 21:55)
Fac, given that I know how to speak English and write in an educated manner indicates that I was educated in an English speaking country, which in my case is the United States. As a proud American with a Serbian mother, I am happy to say that I strongly believe ALLOWING Albanians to have some territory of their own is a good idea. However, you have to accept the reality that you cannot have the whole territory. And this absolute BS about territorial exchange, I have no idea where it comes from. Albanians have no territory to exchange. What territory do you have? Serbian territory? How can you exchange territory that doesn't belong to you? You need to accept reality and leave the North where you are not wanted. That's all I have to say :-)

Fac

pre 11 godina

To Daniel;

Such a comment you made gives reader a thought that you are out of your mind! Even a child with 6 years old has his own pride! It's not about part of the land, it is about part of integrity, sovereignty and off course pride!
The name that you have given leaves impression that you belong to one of European or western countries, but your opinion on cleaning up territories in ethnically basis doesn't fit with reality! Kosovo is a country where multiple ethnicity live, not only Albanians and Serbs, but many other too!

cry me a river

pre 11 godina

What happened to 'Kosovo is the heart of Serbia'? Ari, are you there?
By talking about partition he's hinting at exchange of territories.

Swagman

pre 11 godina

Addy you think Dacic is a beggar in this instance?? Then might I suggest that someone and I think you know who is the thief.I'll give you a clue his intials are H.T.Don't be greedy it's very decent of the owners of the land to offer you anything!!

Alex

pre 11 godina

Yeah ok personal opinion ...in such a position you are anything you say represents those that elected you.....so keep your personal positions private till you're out....man this guy is so improfessional

Mark

pre 11 godina

“I still think it would be the fastest, best and most just solution, acceptable both to Albanians and Serbs because it respects their legitimate interests,” the prime minister explained

Wrong. It is not acceptable to Albanians.Now if you say "territory exchange" than you might find some Albanians that agree. Presevo,Medveg,Bujanovc for N.Mitrovica.

Dennis

pre 11 godina

I've been saying that partition is the only way from the beginning. The albanians don't want to be with Serbia and Serbia wants Kosovo minus the albanians. Partition is the only real solution.

Undivisible

pre 11 godina

Serbian PM insists the that partition of Kosov is the only solution.
I have never heard before, that a Prime Minister of a country advocates dismemberment of his own country in order to solve a problem, no matter how big the problem is. This implicates that he's personaly willing to recognise independence of Kosovo, while in the same time insists that the Kosovo independence “cannot be full unless there is consent and agreement with Serbia”.
So, what the PM wants to say?
My questions are:
1) is he willing to slice Kosovo in two pieces? And then - what?
2) why he insists on a political-level of a dialog, while there are other every-day problems to be solved?
That's not what constitutes a mere patriot, let alone a serious statesman. Dissapoiting, to say the least.
I mean, is this man a Serbian citizen or a lobbyist for Kosovo independence, which he publicly denounces?

KOSO

pre 11 godina

We've been over it and PM Thaci has even explicitly explained to you, but here it is: partition isn't a solution, but a problem creator that would start in Serbia and touch four to six other regional countries.

Let's find solutions, like what do we do about the increasing poverty rate in belgrade? What do we about the fact that one of you clowns makes something like 20-50 times more than an avg pensioner?

Sincerely,

Daniel

pre 11 godina

He seems to be the only smart politician here! I agree 100%. The Albanians would get rid of the Serbs whom don't want to be under their control and the Serbs living in Kosovo would have peace. Then, Serbia would recognize an independent Kosovo and all would be happy. There is no reason to fight for the North. Albanians are only doing so because the US, Germany, and Great Brittan insist upon it. They think that they save face by keeping their impossible position. Pride is a bad thing! Let's move forward with this plan!!!

Mark

pre 11 godina

“I still think it would be the fastest, best and most just solution, acceptable both to Albanians and Serbs because it respects their legitimate interests,” the prime minister explained

Wrong. It is not acceptable to Albanians.Now if you say "territory exchange" than you might find some Albanians that agree. Presevo,Medveg,Bujanovc for N.Mitrovica.

Dennis

pre 11 godina

I've been saying that partition is the only way from the beginning. The albanians don't want to be with Serbia and Serbia wants Kosovo minus the albanians. Partition is the only real solution.

KOSO

pre 11 godina

We've been over it and PM Thaci has even explicitly explained to you, but here it is: partition isn't a solution, but a problem creator that would start in Serbia and touch four to six other regional countries.

Let's find solutions, like what do we do about the increasing poverty rate in belgrade? What do we about the fact that one of you clowns makes something like 20-50 times more than an avg pensioner?

Sincerely,

Daniel

pre 11 godina

He seems to be the only smart politician here! I agree 100%. The Albanians would get rid of the Serbs whom don't want to be under their control and the Serbs living in Kosovo would have peace. Then, Serbia would recognize an independent Kosovo and all would be happy. There is no reason to fight for the North. Albanians are only doing so because the US, Germany, and Great Brittan insist upon it. They think that they save face by keeping their impossible position. Pride is a bad thing! Let's move forward with this plan!!!

Undivisible

pre 11 godina

Serbian PM insists the that partition of Kosov is the only solution.
I have never heard before, that a Prime Minister of a country advocates dismemberment of his own country in order to solve a problem, no matter how big the problem is. This implicates that he's personaly willing to recognise independence of Kosovo, while in the same time insists that the Kosovo independence “cannot be full unless there is consent and agreement with Serbia”.
So, what the PM wants to say?
My questions are:
1) is he willing to slice Kosovo in two pieces? And then - what?
2) why he insists on a political-level of a dialog, while there are other every-day problems to be solved?
That's not what constitutes a mere patriot, let alone a serious statesman. Dissapoiting, to say the least.
I mean, is this man a Serbian citizen or a lobbyist for Kosovo independence, which he publicly denounces?

cry me a river

pre 11 godina

What happened to 'Kosovo is the heart of Serbia'? Ari, are you there?
By talking about partition he's hinting at exchange of territories.

Fac

pre 11 godina

To Daniel;

Such a comment you made gives reader a thought that you are out of your mind! Even a child with 6 years old has his own pride! It's not about part of the land, it is about part of integrity, sovereignty and off course pride!
The name that you have given leaves impression that you belong to one of European or western countries, but your opinion on cleaning up territories in ethnically basis doesn't fit with reality! Kosovo is a country where multiple ethnicity live, not only Albanians and Serbs, but many other too!

Alex

pre 11 godina

Yeah ok personal opinion ...in such a position you are anything you say represents those that elected you.....so keep your personal positions private till you're out....man this guy is so improfessional

Swagman

pre 11 godina

Addy you think Dacic is a beggar in this instance?? Then might I suggest that someone and I think you know who is the thief.I'll give you a clue his intials are H.T.Don't be greedy it's very decent of the owners of the land to offer you anything!!

Krasniq't

pre 11 godina

If this was to be discussed at next round of dialogue, please expect the for the north of Kosovo, Prishtina would want your korridor 8, the presevo valley, with this you will lose your closest rout to the sea. But I guess you can use the Kosovo, Albanian motorway to get to the adriatic!

Secondly, the EU does not care about pesants, it made that mistake with Bulgaria. So trying to play bad cop good cop will not work.

icj1

pre 11 godina

What happened to 'Kosovo is the heart of Serbia'? Ari, are you there?
(cry me a river, 6 October 2012 21:00)

Ari has remained speachless... He/she could not fathom how a member of such a patriotic governing coalition could even think, let alone utter such heresy.

lowe

pre 11 godina

"Presevo,Medveg,Bujanovc for N.Mitrovica.
(Mark, 6 October 2012 18:37)"

In case you just woke up from a coma and didn't know, Medveda's population is majority Serb today.

iso

pre 11 godina

Hahaha you really think that Serbia would give away part of its own teritory? Kosovo is Serbia
(Solution, 7 October 2012 07:41)
Excuse me but why is your prime minister barking about this solution then?

(Jovan, 7 October 2012 01:04)
It looks strange when you see only serbs denying strongly the albanian-illyrian ties , it`s all about providing an excuse for the Kosovo myth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAIXnpMhlC4 This is a research from the Austrian Science Fund FWF , go and check the E3b gene analysis

You`ve only have to be blind to not accept such truth, and knowing that illyrians had no Writing systems doesn`t surprise me why albanians didn`t have one until 15-th century as well.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

To Daniel;

Such a comment you made gives reader a thought that you are out of your mind! Even a child with 6 years old has his own pride! It's not about part of the land, it is about part of integrity, sovereignty and off course pride!
The name that you have given leaves impression that you belong to one of European or western countries, but your opinion on cleaning up territories in ethnically basis doesn't fit with reality! Kosovo is a country where multiple ethnicity live, not only Albanians and Serbs, but many other too!
(Fac, 6 October 2012 21:55)
Fac, given that I know how to speak English and write in an educated manner indicates that I was educated in an English speaking country, which in my case is the United States. As a proud American with a Serbian mother, I am happy to say that I strongly believe ALLOWING Albanians to have some territory of their own is a good idea. However, you have to accept the reality that you cannot have the whole territory. And this absolute BS about territorial exchange, I have no idea where it comes from. Albanians have no territory to exchange. What territory do you have? Serbian territory? How can you exchange territory that doesn't belong to you? You need to accept reality and leave the North where you are not wanted. That's all I have to say :-)

Yet Another J S

pre 11 godina

The solution for Kosovo has to be a compromise that the People of Serbia and its Province of Kosovo have to live with, and not anyone else.

This is why it should have nothing to do with whether Serbia will join the European Union or not, because that is not the basis for a solution.

According to United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244, the compromise only involves the territory of Serbia’s Province of Kosovo.

This is because there was never any discussions of any other territory of Southern Serbia, like Presevo Valley, and if the Albanians want territory that is not in Kosovo, then everyone will know that it is Entirely for Racist reasons.

America and the European Union are in a weakened position to what they were before their Secret Conspiracy became Globally known, and they may not be able to allow Albanian Racism to be once again be used as a pretext for wanting Independence.

Kosovo has already set that Secret Precedent, but People are awaking to the Fact that the attempt by the Albanians to steal Kosovo is Entirely based on Racism, where America and the European Union used the bogus claim of humanitarian intervention to cover up these Shameful Facts.

This is why a compromise just between the Serbs and Albanians over Kosovo is appropriate, and the European Union should not be the biased mediators, because they lost All credibility long ago, and these Negotiations should be mediated by the United Nations, because it is a United Nations matter.

a New Day

pre 11 godina

because they lost All credibility long ago, and these Negotiations should be mediated by the United Nations, because it is a United Nations matter.
(Yet Another J S, 7 October 2012 13:45)
Short term memory loss is one of the first signs of early onset Alzheimers. If you remember correctly it was the UN led negotiations that came to a close with the conclusion a negotiated settlement was impossible and resulted in the development of the Ahtissaari Plan, then with a 2nd attempt by the troika from the UN led to the majority opinion no settlement was possible which led to the Albanians enacting unilaterally.
Or maybe you are talking about another UN somewhere?
But I do agree with your first part in this involves Kosovo and Kosovo alone and a solution is not in the exchange of any other territory.

Fac

pre 11 godina

@ Daniel:
Thanks for explanation, that makes clear everything.
We have a saying: "you are what your mother comes from"! I understand your point if view, but though you are born and raised in US, still, you should read about history of Balkans, specifically for ancient nations before Slavs spread over the peninsula in IX century!

J

pre 11 godina

Short term memory loss is one of the first signs of early onset Alzheimers. If you remember correctly it was the UN led negotiations that came to a close with the conclusion a negotiated settlement was impossible and resulted in the development of the Ahtissaari Plan, then with a 2nd attempt by the troika from the UN led to the majority opinion no settlement was possible which led to the Albanians enacting unilaterally.

-- Correction it was Serbia that acted unilaterally in the middle of negotiations, coming up with a constitution that unilaterally attempted to set Kosova's status even though it had agreed that there would be no unilateral actions while negotiations were going on. Mind you it attempted to set the status by depriving its inhabitants the right to have a say on it. Kosova's actions were in clear sync with Ahtisari's proposal. Meaning not unilateral since the UN gave him the power to propose such a status; and this was after Serbia had unilaterally killed off the negotiation process with its unilateral move.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

well, seems like he is really speaking only for himself. ..because, there is something should not forget: the serbian constitution has made it very clear, it´s serbian territory. get over it Dacic, and especially you, my dear k-albanian friends.

@Adem:

well, you mentioned a beggar after a wedding... but actually the first thing that came to my mind in regard to Albanians is stealing wood and running away when a real army is approaching. oh, just one question, do you still cling to your alleged illyrian ancestry? =) ...if I recall it right, then you´ve been the K-albanian who came up with genetics..

if you are the one, so please could you explain to me why some linguist-experts claim that your language has borrowed all its vocabulary from other languages, except some 200 words?

how comes that those illyrians managed to survive in the albanian mountains all those occupators, and even "stronger and more dangerous than the Serbs" but were not capable of maintaining their very own language? oh as a sidenote, the same expert writes that the earliest albanian written texts are dating to the 15th century... strange, isn´t it? =) you will very likely try to explain all this ( if at all ) with genetics, right?
oh, just if it is of interest for you, check the source for yourself! cheers!

Larry Trask: Historical Linguistics. Hodder Arnold, London 1996, 8.3, ISBN 0-340-60758-0.

Renko

pre 11 godina

Would the areas around Strpce and the other enclaves also have the right to join Serbia - and what about the Gorani?
Hopefully these islands would be free to choose.
Such islands exist quite happily between Armenia and Azerbaijan.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

whooazaa... Iso, wait a minute! you´re coming up with a youtube-videoclip in order to present some arguments in favour of your illyrian myth?

that´s quite daring! =)


well, without going into details about the level of stupidity in regard to coming up with youtube here... you should rather ask your compatriot Adem, he at least tried it with a ( paid ) study from a western-american scholar... but dragging youtube into this... wow, I was impressed, though.

Iso, to be honest, ...all you Albanians are bragging about is complete nonsense, invented to please your bittered souls. since you have no significant historical achievements to present, you are forced to come up with your phantasies, and even with ridiculous youtube-videos...

it´s so pathetic.

Proud to be ILIR

pre 11 godina

@ my dear radical serb friend who thinks he's better than Albanians


Judging from the frequency in which you respond to any Alb-Illir link on B92, I conclude that you are indeed obsessed with the theory.
I could not care less whether anyone or especially a radical serb thinks about me based only on my Albanian nationality.
You can laugh or cry all you want for whatever reason, including on my avowal to be proud descendant of Illyrians.
We both know only the radical serbs have a problem with that for obvious reasons.

As for my inferiority complex which you think i indicated on my nickname,
You clearly have a problem comprehending English.

a New Day

pre 11 godina

He seems to be the only smart politician here! I agree 100%. The Albanians would get rid of the Serbs whom don't want to be under their control and the Serbs living in Kosovo would have peace. Then, Serbia would recognize an independent Kosovo and all would be happy. There is no reason to fight for the North. Albanians are only doing so because the US, Germany, and Great Brittan insist upon it. They think that they save face by keeping their impossible position. Pride is a bad thing! Let's move forward with this plan!!!
(Daniel, 6 October 2012 16:51)
What you say could be true but think about this scenario. If Serbia suggested it and the west supported it immediately then negotiations took place, Serbs would not feel like they won anything. Isn't that in reality what this is all about, even Jeremic has said it in the UNSC there cannot be a settlement where one side wins everything and the other side wins nothing. So IF this is to be the true course and Serbia suggests it expect to be a hard battle and much sweat and and disgust and rumbling and statements that it will never happen, and Serbs will have to struggle in the negotiation process and fight with all their might, and then in conclusion Serbia WINS and the Albanians WIN.
Serbia is never going to prosper with Kosovo hanging around its neck, and Kosovo will never prosper with the north hanging around its.

Proud to be ILIR

pre 11 godina

@ jovan who is obsessed with the Albanian-Illyrian Theory

Every Albanian is proud to be descendant of the Illyrians. Its not a matter to gain significance in history its a matter of identity.
The Illyrians did not do much in history other than fighting within their other clans. Same as Albanians who didn't bother to unite and form a nation until their neighbors threatened to annex their lands just because they saw them as inferior.

As if conquering; Dalmatia, Pannonia and even Dardania was not enough to the greedy land grabbing slavs.

The greed was their undoing in Yugoslavia.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@"proud to be ILIR":

no, my dear k-albanian friend, I am certainly not obsessed with albanian inferiority complexes...

what you fail to understand is that I am laughing at you.

you are a joke to me, do you understand that at all?

and you are even underlining this your inferiority complex with your chosen nick-name here...

thank you for making me laugh again!


ps: you would´t love to be the descendants of the Illyrians, but in fact you´re a bunch of poor souls without meaning.

Mark

pre 11 godina

“I still think it would be the fastest, best and most just solution, acceptable both to Albanians and Serbs because it respects their legitimate interests,” the prime minister explained

Wrong. It is not acceptable to Albanians.Now if you say "territory exchange" than you might find some Albanians that agree. Presevo,Medveg,Bujanovc for N.Mitrovica.

Daniel

pre 11 godina

He seems to be the only smart politician here! I agree 100%. The Albanians would get rid of the Serbs whom don't want to be under their control and the Serbs living in Kosovo would have peace. Then, Serbia would recognize an independent Kosovo and all would be happy. There is no reason to fight for the North. Albanians are only doing so because the US, Germany, and Great Brittan insist upon it. They think that they save face by keeping their impossible position. Pride is a bad thing! Let's move forward with this plan!!!

KOSO

pre 11 godina

We've been over it and PM Thaci has even explicitly explained to you, but here it is: partition isn't a solution, but a problem creator that would start in Serbia and touch four to six other regional countries.

Let's find solutions, like what do we do about the increasing poverty rate in belgrade? What do we about the fact that one of you clowns makes something like 20-50 times more than an avg pensioner?

Sincerely,

Undivisible

pre 11 godina

Serbian PM insists the that partition of Kosov is the only solution.
I have never heard before, that a Prime Minister of a country advocates dismemberment of his own country in order to solve a problem, no matter how big the problem is. This implicates that he's personaly willing to recognise independence of Kosovo, while in the same time insists that the Kosovo independence “cannot be full unless there is consent and agreement with Serbia”.
So, what the PM wants to say?
My questions are:
1) is he willing to slice Kosovo in two pieces? And then - what?
2) why he insists on a political-level of a dialog, while there are other every-day problems to be solved?
That's not what constitutes a mere patriot, let alone a serious statesman. Dissapoiting, to say the least.
I mean, is this man a Serbian citizen or a lobbyist for Kosovo independence, which he publicly denounces?

Dennis

pre 11 godina

I've been saying that partition is the only way from the beginning. The albanians don't want to be with Serbia and Serbia wants Kosovo minus the albanians. Partition is the only real solution.

cry me a river

pre 11 godina

What happened to 'Kosovo is the heart of Serbia'? Ari, are you there?
By talking about partition he's hinting at exchange of territories.

Swagman

pre 11 godina

Addy you think Dacic is a beggar in this instance?? Then might I suggest that someone and I think you know who is the thief.I'll give you a clue his intials are H.T.Don't be greedy it's very decent of the owners of the land to offer you anything!!

Fac

pre 11 godina

To Daniel;

Such a comment you made gives reader a thought that you are out of your mind! Even a child with 6 years old has his own pride! It's not about part of the land, it is about part of integrity, sovereignty and off course pride!
The name that you have given leaves impression that you belong to one of European or western countries, but your opinion on cleaning up territories in ethnically basis doesn't fit with reality! Kosovo is a country where multiple ethnicity live, not only Albanians and Serbs, but many other too!

Krasniq't

pre 11 godina

If this was to be discussed at next round of dialogue, please expect the for the north of Kosovo, Prishtina would want your korridor 8, the presevo valley, with this you will lose your closest rout to the sea. But I guess you can use the Kosovo, Albanian motorway to get to the adriatic!

Secondly, the EU does not care about pesants, it made that mistake with Bulgaria. So trying to play bad cop good cop will not work.

Alex

pre 11 godina

Yeah ok personal opinion ...in such a position you are anything you say represents those that elected you.....so keep your personal positions private till you're out....man this guy is so improfessional

Daniel

pre 11 godina

To Daniel;

Such a comment you made gives reader a thought that you are out of your mind! Even a child with 6 years old has his own pride! It's not about part of the land, it is about part of integrity, sovereignty and off course pride!
The name that you have given leaves impression that you belong to one of European or western countries, but your opinion on cleaning up territories in ethnically basis doesn't fit with reality! Kosovo is a country where multiple ethnicity live, not only Albanians and Serbs, but many other too!
(Fac, 6 October 2012 21:55)
Fac, given that I know how to speak English and write in an educated manner indicates that I was educated in an English speaking country, which in my case is the United States. As a proud American with a Serbian mother, I am happy to say that I strongly believe ALLOWING Albanians to have some territory of their own is a good idea. However, you have to accept the reality that you cannot have the whole territory. And this absolute BS about territorial exchange, I have no idea where it comes from. Albanians have no territory to exchange. What territory do you have? Serbian territory? How can you exchange territory that doesn't belong to you? You need to accept reality and leave the North where you are not wanted. That's all I have to say :-)

icj1

pre 11 godina

What happened to 'Kosovo is the heart of Serbia'? Ari, are you there?
(cry me a river, 6 October 2012 21:00)

Ari has remained speachless... He/she could not fathom how a member of such a patriotic governing coalition could even think, let alone utter such heresy.

Yet Another J S

pre 11 godina

The solution for Kosovo has to be a compromise that the People of Serbia and its Province of Kosovo have to live with, and not anyone else.

This is why it should have nothing to do with whether Serbia will join the European Union or not, because that is not the basis for a solution.

According to United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244, the compromise only involves the territory of Serbia’s Province of Kosovo.

This is because there was never any discussions of any other territory of Southern Serbia, like Presevo Valley, and if the Albanians want territory that is not in Kosovo, then everyone will know that it is Entirely for Racist reasons.

America and the European Union are in a weakened position to what they were before their Secret Conspiracy became Globally known, and they may not be able to allow Albanian Racism to be once again be used as a pretext for wanting Independence.

Kosovo has already set that Secret Precedent, but People are awaking to the Fact that the attempt by the Albanians to steal Kosovo is Entirely based on Racism, where America and the European Union used the bogus claim of humanitarian intervention to cover up these Shameful Facts.

This is why a compromise just between the Serbs and Albanians over Kosovo is appropriate, and the European Union should not be the biased mediators, because they lost All credibility long ago, and these Negotiations should be mediated by the United Nations, because it is a United Nations matter.

lowe

pre 11 godina

"Presevo,Medveg,Bujanovc for N.Mitrovica.
(Mark, 6 October 2012 18:37)"

In case you just woke up from a coma and didn't know, Medveda's population is majority Serb today.

iso

pre 11 godina

Hahaha you really think that Serbia would give away part of its own teritory? Kosovo is Serbia
(Solution, 7 October 2012 07:41)
Excuse me but why is your prime minister barking about this solution then?

(Jovan, 7 October 2012 01:04)
It looks strange when you see only serbs denying strongly the albanian-illyrian ties , it`s all about providing an excuse for the Kosovo myth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAIXnpMhlC4 This is a research from the Austrian Science Fund FWF , go and check the E3b gene analysis

You`ve only have to be blind to not accept such truth, and knowing that illyrians had no Writing systems doesn`t surprise me why albanians didn`t have one until 15-th century as well.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

whooazaa... Iso, wait a minute! you´re coming up with a youtube-videoclip in order to present some arguments in favour of your illyrian myth?

that´s quite daring! =)


well, without going into details about the level of stupidity in regard to coming up with youtube here... you should rather ask your compatriot Adem, he at least tried it with a ( paid ) study from a western-american scholar... but dragging youtube into this... wow, I was impressed, though.

Iso, to be honest, ...all you Albanians are bragging about is complete nonsense, invented to please your bittered souls. since you have no significant historical achievements to present, you are forced to come up with your phantasies, and even with ridiculous youtube-videos...

it´s so pathetic.

Proud to be ILIR

pre 11 godina

@ jovan who is obsessed with the Albanian-Illyrian Theory

Every Albanian is proud to be descendant of the Illyrians. Its not a matter to gain significance in history its a matter of identity.
The Illyrians did not do much in history other than fighting within their other clans. Same as Albanians who didn't bother to unite and form a nation until their neighbors threatened to annex their lands just because they saw them as inferior.

As if conquering; Dalmatia, Pannonia and even Dardania was not enough to the greedy land grabbing slavs.

The greed was their undoing in Yugoslavia.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

well, seems like he is really speaking only for himself. ..because, there is something should not forget: the serbian constitution has made it very clear, it´s serbian territory. get over it Dacic, and especially you, my dear k-albanian friends.

@Adem:

well, you mentioned a beggar after a wedding... but actually the first thing that came to my mind in regard to Albanians is stealing wood and running away when a real army is approaching. oh, just one question, do you still cling to your alleged illyrian ancestry? =) ...if I recall it right, then you´ve been the K-albanian who came up with genetics..

if you are the one, so please could you explain to me why some linguist-experts claim that your language has borrowed all its vocabulary from other languages, except some 200 words?

how comes that those illyrians managed to survive in the albanian mountains all those occupators, and even "stronger and more dangerous than the Serbs" but were not capable of maintaining their very own language? oh as a sidenote, the same expert writes that the earliest albanian written texts are dating to the 15th century... strange, isn´t it? =) you will very likely try to explain all this ( if at all ) with genetics, right?
oh, just if it is of interest for you, check the source for yourself! cheers!

Larry Trask: Historical Linguistics. Hodder Arnold, London 1996, 8.3, ISBN 0-340-60758-0.

Renko

pre 11 godina

Would the areas around Strpce and the other enclaves also have the right to join Serbia - and what about the Gorani?
Hopefully these islands would be free to choose.
Such islands exist quite happily between Armenia and Azerbaijan.

J

pre 11 godina

Short term memory loss is one of the first signs of early onset Alzheimers. If you remember correctly it was the UN led negotiations that came to a close with the conclusion a negotiated settlement was impossible and resulted in the development of the Ahtissaari Plan, then with a 2nd attempt by the troika from the UN led to the majority opinion no settlement was possible which led to the Albanians enacting unilaterally.

-- Correction it was Serbia that acted unilaterally in the middle of negotiations, coming up with a constitution that unilaterally attempted to set Kosova's status even though it had agreed that there would be no unilateral actions while negotiations were going on. Mind you it attempted to set the status by depriving its inhabitants the right to have a say on it. Kosova's actions were in clear sync with Ahtisari's proposal. Meaning not unilateral since the UN gave him the power to propose such a status; and this was after Serbia had unilaterally killed off the negotiation process with its unilateral move.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@"proud to be ILIR":

no, my dear k-albanian friend, I am certainly not obsessed with albanian inferiority complexes...

what you fail to understand is that I am laughing at you.

you are a joke to me, do you understand that at all?

and you are even underlining this your inferiority complex with your chosen nick-name here...

thank you for making me laugh again!


ps: you would´t love to be the descendants of the Illyrians, but in fact you´re a bunch of poor souls without meaning.

a New Day

pre 11 godina

because they lost All credibility long ago, and these Negotiations should be mediated by the United Nations, because it is a United Nations matter.
(Yet Another J S, 7 October 2012 13:45)
Short term memory loss is one of the first signs of early onset Alzheimers. If you remember correctly it was the UN led negotiations that came to a close with the conclusion a negotiated settlement was impossible and resulted in the development of the Ahtissaari Plan, then with a 2nd attempt by the troika from the UN led to the majority opinion no settlement was possible which led to the Albanians enacting unilaterally.
Or maybe you are talking about another UN somewhere?
But I do agree with your first part in this involves Kosovo and Kosovo alone and a solution is not in the exchange of any other territory.

a New Day

pre 11 godina

He seems to be the only smart politician here! I agree 100%. The Albanians would get rid of the Serbs whom don't want to be under their control and the Serbs living in Kosovo would have peace. Then, Serbia would recognize an independent Kosovo and all would be happy. There is no reason to fight for the North. Albanians are only doing so because the US, Germany, and Great Brittan insist upon it. They think that they save face by keeping their impossible position. Pride is a bad thing! Let's move forward with this plan!!!
(Daniel, 6 October 2012 16:51)
What you say could be true but think about this scenario. If Serbia suggested it and the west supported it immediately then negotiations took place, Serbs would not feel like they won anything. Isn't that in reality what this is all about, even Jeremic has said it in the UNSC there cannot be a settlement where one side wins everything and the other side wins nothing. So IF this is to be the true course and Serbia suggests it expect to be a hard battle and much sweat and and disgust and rumbling and statements that it will never happen, and Serbs will have to struggle in the negotiation process and fight with all their might, and then in conclusion Serbia WINS and the Albanians WIN.
Serbia is never going to prosper with Kosovo hanging around its neck, and Kosovo will never prosper with the north hanging around its.

Fac

pre 11 godina

@ Daniel:
Thanks for explanation, that makes clear everything.
We have a saying: "you are what your mother comes from"! I understand your point if view, but though you are born and raised in US, still, you should read about history of Balkans, specifically for ancient nations before Slavs spread over the peninsula in IX century!

Proud to be ILIR

pre 11 godina

@ my dear radical serb friend who thinks he's better than Albanians


Judging from the frequency in which you respond to any Alb-Illir link on B92, I conclude that you are indeed obsessed with the theory.
I could not care less whether anyone or especially a radical serb thinks about me based only on my Albanian nationality.
You can laugh or cry all you want for whatever reason, including on my avowal to be proud descendant of Illyrians.
We both know only the radical serbs have a problem with that for obvious reasons.

As for my inferiority complex which you think i indicated on my nickname,
You clearly have a problem comprehending English.