Russian MFA: Kosovo remains quasi-state

the socalled ISG is a joke. and it won´t help the Albanians when the time has come to hold them accountable.

and everything will be remembered, not only the cruel slaughter of civilians for their dirty albanian organ-trade..

Ahtisaari plan - formulated by the former president of Finland for the resolution of the Kosovo issue without the consent of the UN Security Council. - B92
Nothing further needs to be said. Nothing about this "independent Kosova" is legal. Yes, the ICG did say the Albanians had the right to "proclaim independence", but act of proclaiming did not make KiM independent. I have the right to claim that I am the King of the Balkans, but I doughy that anyone will after that start bowing to me. The USA, like it has in many parts of the world, through force in trying to mold the world to suit themselves. They may not succeed in KiM.

There were high russian diplomats at yesterdays festivities in Pristina, even in Kosovos parlament where supervision was officially ended. I see this as a step in the right direction. I dont expect them to recognize Kosovo, but seems like they finally accept its institutions.
They wouldnt do this publicly of course...

Obviously because an entity that cannot stand on its own legs and is in constant need of prop-ups and foreign handouts its not a real state. You have less 'recognition's' than Palestine (now news is coming out that several countries were not even aware they had 'recognized' occupation of Serbia), no domestic economy, the corruptions (drugs, organs) ectect. and yet...the handouts you do currently get are expected to dry out even more leaving the possibility of the living standards in Kosovo i Metohija for both Albanians (because they are robbed by their own people) and for Serbs (because Serbs will be victimized as the reason things are so bad) to get considerably worse.

This stillborn entity with illegal foundations, weak institutions, a dependency on foreign handouts and a bleak future is really as quasi-state as you can get. Russia is only stating the obvious.

But isn't it sad that Russia's gov't is more Serbian than Serbia's? I don't care about Nikolic saying he only loves Serbia more than Russia..because that is not saying much since his gov't will be as corrupt in Serbia as the DS-Otporista's (which were a painful chapter in our history) We can theorize why Russia helps Serbia when even our own gov't has surrendered territory but gratitude must definitely be showed. It doesn't hurt that Russia is projected to be the 4th or 5th largest economy by 2020.

Sorry, Ian, but KiM is not independent, simple as that. Once KiM has a chair in UNGA, then you may have a point. For now, some countries say KiM is independent, but most say no it's not. Who is correct? Thus, how is KiM a legally independent nation - just because the US and Albanians say so?

From the Kosovan perspective it's quite a thing to hear that Russia now regard Kosova as a 'quasi-state'... a few years back they wouldn't even call it that. Maybe they're beginning to come to their senses at last. Better late than never! Na zdrovye! :-)

Since the ISG does not have internationally recognized status...
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LOL! The "International Steering Group" has nothing international about it... now that's a fact. Another joke created by the failing West in an attempt to give "Kosova"* some legitimacy. Another failure and costly mistake.

"Nothing further needs to be said. Nothing about this "independent Kosova" is legal": ecoman

And that is according to whom?
The United Nations? No.
Any major International Organisation? No.
Any International Court? No.
Who says that it isn't legal?

I see Russia moving forward with Kosova's issue.
Until yesterday Kosova was a province of Serbia and today is quazi-state.
Big step in the right direction.
Thank you Russia!

Bless him!! It's an early morning statement.

I have told him to stop having breakfast with vodka... quasi quasi I'm having a cup of tea...

"Kenny" wrote: "There were high russian diplomats at yesterdays festivities in Pristina, even in Kosovos parlament where supervision was officially ended."

my dear k-albanian friend, could you please name those "high russian diplomats"? =)


it´s so sweet, an Albanian dreaming...


oh, by the way, why don´t you use a nick-name in your mothers language?

I would propose you " gënjeshtar "...

And that is according to whom?
The United Nations? No.
Any major International Organisation? No.
Any International Court? No.
Who says that it isn't legal?
(Ian, UK, 11 September 2012 14:33)

The United Nations? - UN Resolution 1244. International law, i.e. Resolution 3 & 4 of the Helsinki Declaration

Any major International Organisation? - The UN, EU, NATO and that is just a start.

Any International Court? - The ICJ ruled that the UDI was not illegal which is true. Anybody can declare a UDI but getting legal permission from the metropolitan power (Bilateral agreement) and seeking universal international recognition is another thing. Just ask the Rhodesians, Biafrans from the recent past, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh and TRNC in present day.

Who says that it isn't legal? - Belgrade for a start, thats who. Refer to my previous point above. No Belgrade, no show.

Back to reality for Ian.

Quasi-state? Kosovo simply is a disputed territory, like Norhtern Cyprus, South Ossetia, Palestine, Taiwan...

Sorry, Ian, but KiM is not independent, simple as that. Once KiM has a chair in UNGA, then you may have a point. For now, some countries say KiM is independent, but most say no it's not. Who is correct? Thus, how is KiM a legally independent nation - just because the US and Albanians say so?
(ecoman, 11 September 2012 15:05)

Oh yeh Kosovo is not independent because they don't have a bloke sitting in a chair at the UNGA, all makes sense now; because as soon as his bum touches the chair everything would change? But it doesn't work like I'm afraid.

Actually I think you'll find that nearly every country says Kosovo is independent, however not every country agrees with Kosovo's independence and some just don't want to be involved in a geopolitical dispute, which is why only 90+ UN states have extended official recognition to Kosovo.


Kosovo administrates and governs itself, far more than most third world countries do. Kosovo institutions are developing and expanding as we speak. Kosovo has the freedom to control, support and influence itself. Kosovo has the ability to help and support others. Kosovo suffices itself. Kosovo is by fact independent.

Does Russian MFA know how many countries have recognized Kosovo and how many have recognized South Ossetia/Abkhazia?

@Jovan

No, I cant name the diplomats. But the reporter Tim Judah of "The Economist" reported it. He is in Kosovo right now, so believe it or dont. I dont care.
Im not your kosovar-albanian friend, Im your albanian friend from FYROM! ;)
Why I didnt choose an albanian nick? Why should I? There are Serbs with english nicknames on B92, its their right to chose and so it is mine. And I really appreaciate your enthusiasm im learning albanian words, but I think we should go back to topic. :)

I think what Putin wanted to say that an independent KiM is a Quasimodo State. It is run by hideous gangster freaks, that ripped organs from live victims. Well, that's one man's opinion. Let's wait and see how it plays out.

No, I cant name the diplomats. But the reporter Tim Judah of "The Economist" reported it. He is in Kosovo right now, so believe it or dont. I dont care.
(Kenny, 11 September 2012 17:56)

Those weren't Russians. That was Natasa Kandic speaking Serbian and representing herself. Not everyone speaking a Slavic language is Russian.

@ Niall where in UNSCR 1244 does it say that Kosovo's independence isn't legal? Or is that just your interpretation of it which says that like with your interpretation of the Helsinki Accords? When has the UN, NATO or EU said that Kosovo's independence isn't legal? Same with international courts. You see none have said that Kosovo's indepence isn't legal. But top marks for trying. And I'll give you bonus points for your interpretations too. Let me know when one of the above says that Kosovo's independence isn't legal.

Only after serious negociatian it might be possible to become a real country.
Maybe Albanians think that they can get everything for free by pure robery.
The Kalbanians will have to come to concessions and leave some land to serbia. Wqhich will only be faire.

Kosovo independence is illegal by default, while Kosovo independence legacy needs confirmation.

Which international court said you are not a camel? So what is your conclusion?
(aaayyy, 11 September 2012 22:13)

Kosovo's independence is illegal by default? according to who? You? Or is this just another interpretation? And why does Kosovo's independence need legally confirming? Montenegero's wasn't, South Sudan's wasn't. Why does Kosovo's?

My conclusion is that to this day Kosovo's independence hasn't been found to be illegal by any International Court, International Authority or any Internatal Organisation.
Yet people like to clain/ preach that it is. So I ask, illegal according to who?

Russia, Serbia, Belarus say X and UK, US, France say Y. Who is right? And who says they are right? Which Organisation, which Court and which authority?

You say it is illegal by default and that it needs legally confirming aka guilty until proven innocent. Well I think you'll find that Kosovo's independence won't be deemed illegal until some internationally recognised authority declares it as such and that hasn't happened. So you can "claim" that it is illegal all you like, but whether it is or not is another matter.

If Serbia was so confident it was illegal, then she'd take it to court (again); but they've failed already and she knows she'd fail again. So now she's playing the game of calling it illegal and doing nothing about it aka not a legally binding arguement.

Does Russian MFA know how many countries have recognized Kosovo and how many have recognized South Ossetia/Abkhazia?
(Avni, 11 September 2012 19:41)

Does Russia care? It only takes one major recognition to keep it on the map and away from the host country.

Which international court said you are not a camel? So what is your conclusion?
(aaayyy, 11 September 2012 22:13)
To my knowledge that subject has not been put before a court. The legality of Kosovo's independence has, some want to split hairs and try to claim that only the declaration has been declared legal but that is a huge stretch to try and salvage some sense of pride after your FM destroyed it with the wording of the question.
Totally ridiculous comment, again showing desperation in the absence of legitimacy.

When has the UN, NATO or EU said that Kosovo's independence isn't legal? Same with international courts. You see none have said that Kosovo's indepence isn't legal.
(Ian)

Kosovo independence is illegal by default, while Kosovo independence legacy needs confirmation.

Which international court said you are not a camel? So what is your conclusion?

In the meantime: To all in Kosovo:

Please party as your team (Serbian football team) won big time against Wales!
Hope there will be a big party in Pristhina! Have fun!

answer to Kenny:

if you admit to be an Albanian, it is of course okay to use an english nick. what is pathetic actually, are those Albanians who are so stupid to believe, by using an english- or other foreign-language nick-name they could create the impression of widespread international support - when this is simply a dream of albanian kiddies...

but they are not getting tired to try =)

bad english, and illusionary writing makes them easily identified as what they really are.

as for the "high rank officials" ...well, Tim Judah can write a lot, actually. but without facts, you cannot claim that to be right.

I doubt it. I really doubt it. and not because an Albanian writes it, but only because it is very, very unlikely.

I can't believe how dumb some of the Albanians commenting on this list are. The point is that Russia doesn't acknowledge your existence. You are trying to dress up their comment to fit your putrid and childish-illogical conceptions but it won't work. You aren't fooling anyone. You are nothing and will never be anything. Once the US withdraws support, you will be as poor as Albania. Is that what you are seeking? Then, best of luck for you reaching your goals!

(Kenny, 11 September 2012 17:56)

Can you show me where Judah mentions Russians in Kosovo, specifically Pristina? His last article was written from Pristina, but no mention of Russians at any celebration were written.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2012/09/balkans-and-eu

From the Kosovan perspective it's quite a thing to hear that Russia now regard Kosova as a 'quasi-state'... a few years back they wouldn't even call it that. Maybe they're beginning to come to their senses at last. Better late than never! Na zdrovye! :-)

Bless him!! It's an early morning statement.

I have told him to stop having breakfast with vodka... quasi quasi I'm having a cup of tea...

the socalled ISG is a joke. and it won´t help the Albanians when the time has come to hold them accountable.

and everything will be remembered, not only the cruel slaughter of civilians for their dirty albanian organ-trade..

There were high russian diplomats at yesterdays festivities in Pristina, even in Kosovos parlament where supervision was officially ended. I see this as a step in the right direction. I dont expect them to recognize Kosovo, but seems like they finally accept its institutions.
They wouldnt do this publicly of course...

"Nothing further needs to be said. Nothing about this "independent Kosova" is legal": ecoman

And that is according to whom?
The United Nations? No.
Any major International Organisation? No.
Any International Court? No.
Who says that it isn't legal?

Since the ISG does not have internationally recognized status...
--
LOL! The "International Steering Group" has nothing international about it... now that's a fact. Another joke created by the failing West in an attempt to give "Kosova"* some legitimacy. Another failure and costly mistake.

Obviously because an entity that cannot stand on its own legs and is in constant need of prop-ups and foreign handouts its not a real state. You have less 'recognition's' than Palestine (now news is coming out that several countries were not even aware they had 'recognized' occupation of Serbia), no domestic economy, the corruptions (drugs, organs) ectect. and yet...the handouts you do currently get are expected to dry out even more leaving the possibility of the living standards in Kosovo i Metohija for both Albanians (because they are robbed by their own people) and for Serbs (because Serbs will be victimized as the reason things are so bad) to get considerably worse.

This stillborn entity with illegal foundations, weak institutions, a dependency on foreign handouts and a bleak future is really as quasi-state as you can get. Russia is only stating the obvious.

But isn't it sad that Russia's gov't is more Serbian than Serbia's? I don't care about Nikolic saying he only loves Serbia more than Russia..because that is not saying much since his gov't will be as corrupt in Serbia as the DS-Otporista's (which were a painful chapter in our history) We can theorize why Russia helps Serbia when even our own gov't has surrendered territory but gratitude must definitely be showed. It doesn't hurt that Russia is projected to be the 4th or 5th largest economy by 2020.

Sorry, Ian, but KiM is not independent, simple as that. Once KiM has a chair in UNGA, then you may have a point. For now, some countries say KiM is independent, but most say no it's not. Who is correct? Thus, how is KiM a legally independent nation - just because the US and Albanians say so?

Ahtisaari plan - formulated by the former president of Finland for the resolution of the Kosovo issue without the consent of the UN Security Council. - B92
Nothing further needs to be said. Nothing about this "independent Kosova" is legal. Yes, the ICG did say the Albanians had the right to "proclaim independence", but act of proclaiming did not make KiM independent. I have the right to claim that I am the King of the Balkans, but I doughy that anyone will after that start bowing to me. The USA, like it has in many parts of the world, through force in trying to mold the world to suit themselves. They may not succeed in KiM.

Sorry, Ian, but KiM is not independent, simple as that. Once KiM has a chair in UNGA, then you may have a point. For now, some countries say KiM is independent, but most say no it's not. Who is correct? Thus, how is KiM a legally independent nation - just because the US and Albanians say so?
(ecoman, 11 September 2012 15:05)

Oh yeh Kosovo is not independent because they don't have a bloke sitting in a chair at the UNGA, all makes sense now; because as soon as his bum touches the chair everything would change? But it doesn't work like I'm afraid.

Actually I think you'll find that nearly every country says Kosovo is independent, however not every country agrees with Kosovo's independence and some just don't want to be involved in a geopolitical dispute, which is why only 90+ UN states have extended official recognition to Kosovo.


Kosovo administrates and governs itself, far more than most third world countries do. Kosovo institutions are developing and expanding as we speak. Kosovo has the freedom to control, support and influence itself. Kosovo has the ability to help and support others. Kosovo suffices itself. Kosovo is by fact independent.

"Kenny" wrote: "There were high russian diplomats at yesterdays festivities in Pristina, even in Kosovos parlament where supervision was officially ended."

my dear k-albanian friend, could you please name those "high russian diplomats"? =)


it´s so sweet, an Albanian dreaming...


oh, by the way, why don´t you use a nick-name in your mothers language?

I would propose you " gënjeshtar "...

Quasi-state? Kosovo simply is a disputed territory, like Norhtern Cyprus, South Ossetia, Palestine, Taiwan...

When has the UN, NATO or EU said that Kosovo's independence isn't legal? Same with international courts. You see none have said that Kosovo's indepence isn't legal.
(Ian)

Kosovo independence is illegal by default, while Kosovo independence legacy needs confirmation.

Which international court said you are not a camel? So what is your conclusion?

And that is according to whom?
The United Nations? No.
Any major International Organisation? No.
Any International Court? No.
Who says that it isn't legal?
(Ian, UK, 11 September 2012 14:33)

The United Nations? - UN Resolution 1244. International law, i.e. Resolution 3 & 4 of the Helsinki Declaration

Any major International Organisation? - The UN, EU, NATO and that is just a start.

Any International Court? - The ICJ ruled that the UDI was not illegal which is true. Anybody can declare a UDI but getting legal permission from the metropolitan power (Bilateral agreement) and seeking universal international recognition is another thing. Just ask the Rhodesians, Biafrans from the recent past, Abkhazia, South Ossetia, Nagorno-Karabakh and TRNC in present day.

Who says that it isn't legal? - Belgrade for a start, thats who. Refer to my previous point above. No Belgrade, no show.

Back to reality for Ian.

I think what Putin wanted to say that an independent KiM is a Quasimodo State. It is run by hideous gangster freaks, that ripped organs from live victims. Well, that's one man's opinion. Let's wait and see how it plays out.

Does Russian MFA know how many countries have recognized Kosovo and how many have recognized South Ossetia/Abkhazia?

@ Niall where in UNSCR 1244 does it say that Kosovo's independence isn't legal? Or is that just your interpretation of it which says that like with your interpretation of the Helsinki Accords? When has the UN, NATO or EU said that Kosovo's independence isn't legal? Same with international courts. You see none have said that Kosovo's indepence isn't legal. But top marks for trying. And I'll give you bonus points for your interpretations too. Let me know when one of the above says that Kosovo's independence isn't legal.

Only after serious negociatian it might be possible to become a real country.
Maybe Albanians think that they can get everything for free by pure robery.
The Kalbanians will have to come to concessions and leave some land to serbia. Wqhich will only be faire.

No, I cant name the diplomats. But the reporter Tim Judah of "The Economist" reported it. He is in Kosovo right now, so believe it or dont. I dont care.
(Kenny, 11 September 2012 17:56)

Those weren't Russians. That was Natasa Kandic speaking Serbian and representing herself. Not everyone speaking a Slavic language is Russian.

@Jovan

No, I cant name the diplomats. But the reporter Tim Judah of "The Economist" reported it. He is in Kosovo right now, so believe it or dont. I dont care.
Im not your kosovar-albanian friend, Im your albanian friend from FYROM! ;)
Why I didnt choose an albanian nick? Why should I? There are Serbs with english nicknames on B92, its their right to chose and so it is mine. And I really appreaciate your enthusiasm im learning albanian words, but I think we should go back to topic. :)

Does Russian MFA know how many countries have recognized Kosovo and how many have recognized South Ossetia/Abkhazia?
(Avni, 11 September 2012 19:41)

Does Russia care? It only takes one major recognition to keep it on the map and away from the host country.

Kosovo independence is illegal by default, while Kosovo independence legacy needs confirmation.

Which international court said you are not a camel? So what is your conclusion?
(aaayyy, 11 September 2012 22:13)

Kosovo's independence is illegal by default? according to who? You? Or is this just another interpretation? And why does Kosovo's independence need legally confirming? Montenegero's wasn't, South Sudan's wasn't. Why does Kosovo's?

My conclusion is that to this day Kosovo's independence hasn't been found to be illegal by any International Court, International Authority or any Internatal Organisation.
Yet people like to clain/ preach that it is. So I ask, illegal according to who?

Russia, Serbia, Belarus say X and UK, US, France say Y. Who is right? And who says they are right? Which Organisation, which Court and which authority?

You say it is illegal by default and that it needs legally confirming aka guilty until proven innocent. Well I think you'll find that Kosovo's independence won't be deemed illegal until some internationally recognised authority declares it as such and that hasn't happened. So you can "claim" that it is illegal all you like, but whether it is or not is another matter.

If Serbia was so confident it was illegal, then she'd take it to court (again); but they've failed already and she knows she'd fail again. So now she's playing the game of calling it illegal and doing nothing about it aka not a legally binding arguement.

I see Russia moving forward with Kosova's issue.
Until yesterday Kosova was a province of Serbia and today is quazi-state.
Big step in the right direction.
Thank you Russia!

In the meantime: To all in Kosovo:

Please party as your team (Serbian football team) won big time against Wales!
Hope there will be a big party in Pristhina! Have fun!

I can't believe how dumb some of the Albanians commenting on this list are. The point is that Russia doesn't acknowledge your existence. You are trying to dress up their comment to fit your putrid and childish-illogical conceptions but it won't work. You aren't fooling anyone. You are nothing and will never be anything. Once the US withdraws support, you will be as poor as Albania. Is that what you are seeking? Then, best of luck for you reaching your goals!

(Kenny, 11 September 2012 17:56)

Can you show me where Judah mentions Russians in Kosovo, specifically Pristina? His last article was written from Pristina, but no mention of Russians at any celebration were written.

http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2012/09/balkans-and-eu

Which international court said you are not a camel? So what is your conclusion?
(aaayyy, 11 September 2012 22:13)
To my knowledge that subject has not been put before a court. The legality of Kosovo's independence has, some want to split hairs and try to claim that only the declaration has been declared legal but that is a huge stretch to try and salvage some sense of pride after your FM destroyed it with the wording of the question.
Totally ridiculous comment, again showing desperation in the absence of legitimacy.

answer to Kenny:

if you admit to be an Albanian, it is of course okay to use an english nick. what is pathetic actually, are those Albanians who are so stupid to believe, by using an english- or other foreign-language nick-name they could create the impression of widespread international support - when this is simply a dream of albanian kiddies...

but they are not getting tired to try =)

bad english, and illusionary writing makes them easily identified as what they really are.

as for the "high rank officials" ...well, Tim Judah can write a lot, actually. but without facts, you cannot claim that to be right.

I doubt it. I really doubt it. and not because an Albanian writes it, but only because it is very, very unlikely.