UNSC members express opposing views on Kosovo

So, Snake Thaci said ... "the Kosovo Serbs are satisfied with the security situation."
LIAR!

Kosovo Serbs +Milovan and +Ljiljana Jevtić were murdered in July.

The snake is not only a fool to think people believe him regarding security for Serbs in Kosovo, he is a terrible liar, too.

Next time you're in Pristina speak Serbian on the street, if you survive, please tell me how safe you felt. Thaci, what a joke!

(Eagle, 22 August 2012 11:28)

Firstly there is no end of supervision of Kosovo as it disputed territory. Secondly this going around in circles is exactly what Serbia wants as it maintains the status quo of going nowhere. Thirdly your lot would give their left … for Belgrade to recognize Kosovo because until they do NOTHING happens, absolutely NOTHING because its disputed. NO investment, no sales, No NOTHING. What a joke to make a statement like “we are facing problems… like any state…” Kosovo is not a state. It has no resources, no energy and it relies 100% on EU aid to run a so called government.
Please no crap about the 5 trillion in minerals in Kosovo – its the usual western BS to show some positives to the local populace; much like leading people in a desert who are dying of thirst and telling them water is only over the next hill.. If it was there the Communists would have got their hands on it.
Mate, if there was a hunger problem in Serbia your Albanians in Kosovo would look something like the dead out of that TV series the Walking Dead.
Nothing is ever a done deal.

@"eagle":

you don´t care? =) well, my dear k-albanian friend...you WILL care, there is no doubt about it. and the US will let you down. sooner or later. and WE are nearby, WE CARE about it...and that will make you care too.

but in the end, Serbia will prevail.

as for your nickname, better call yourself "chicken"! that would say a lot more about your position in that game...

Eagle, hahaha, where did you get your talking points from, The Snake? You quislings keep repeating the same crap that the US and Brit ambassadors do, but the free world knows the truth about KiM, it is a mafia run society, and the purging of Serbs and other minorities continues in KiM on a daily basis. Thaci has no credibility, the world knows him as a terrorist mafioso thug, and he can spew his BS all day long, it will still not be the truth. You should apply for Pristina's propaganda minister, Eagle, you spew the same lying junk almost as well as the Crime Minister himself.

One cannot take anything that the US or the UK say regarding peace and democracy seriously anymore. Not after Iraq, Lybia, Syria, the Assange case and the erosion of civil liberties in the US.
Thaci: "Serbs feel safe in Kosovo". Seriously? Pffff. If it wasn't so serious it would be funny.

(Eagle, 22 August 2012 11:28)
Oh yeah, Djukanovic is really a shining example of honesty and morality.

"Serbia itself is not a stabled country, foreign investors will not invest a dime there all because of Serbia's policies which poses threat to neighbors. "
(Eagle, 22 August 2012 11:28)

Maybe true, but the stability of the country and the conditions for investors in Serbia are 100 times better than in Kosovo. No serious company would dare to invest in Kosovo - with an unsettled status, inherent corruption, lack of basic infrastructure and a criminal government.

China, Russia and others will block Kosovo entry in UN. Because they know that other regions will be next.
The world does not need UDIs. The world needs stability and mutual agreed deals!

Eagle

You and Hashim "nick your organs for a dollar" Thaci are both in cloud cuckoo land. You both appear to be suffering from delusions. Thaci is a prize liar and a thieving murderering criminal scumbag who is the only one who believes in his own drivel with the exception of yourself.

You never miss an opportunity to spout your anti Serbian venom, get a life dude!!

“Serbs feel safe in Kosovo”

The only people who can feel safe are criminals and members of mafia gangs - they don't have to live in fear to be arrested by the KPS.

@ SJ
B92 Reported the hunger issue that has been taking place in Serbia. I guess you Serbs prefer to read the headlines which do not disappoint you.

Yes indeed, Serbia is a frozen subject when it comes to becoming an EU member just like Kosova. If you think you froze Kosova, well you froze yourself too. Fact of the matter is, countries have been, and still are, and will be recognizing Kosova. Name one country who might of revoked Kosova's recognition??? Not one, so with that being said, it's safe to say that Serbia is losing this one and has been losing since March of 1999. Serbia has been getting financial aid as well from foreign countries. At the same time you want to compare Kosova, one of the newest counties in the world about relying on foreign financial aid. Serbia receives 50M USD annually total grant. Not a loan, we already know Serbia's debt has hit sky high. You Serbs should get your facts right before you embarrass yourself at any debate when it has to do with Kosova.

"Despite my political disagreements with Hashim Thaci and the way he leads Kosovo, the Kosovo government has one thing to be proud of. The inclusion of 3 Serbs as ministers and the role of Slobodan Petrovic as Deputy Prime Minister of Kosovo. "
(palladium, 22 August 2012 12:44)

Not at all a merit of this 'Kosovo government' and the albanian freedom-fighting hero Thaci. The Kosovo consitution (this nice idea of a multi-ethnic state where minorities rights are preserved) which requires a quote of Serbs being in the government was more or less dictated by the western powers/the U.S. ambassador in Pristina.

This UNSC discussion reminds me of meetings I have at work: a bunch of people getting together and saying "blah blah blah" and really not caring what happens, as long as they don't have to get involved. Nothing ever gets done, of course, but as long job security and compensation aren't threatened, that's just fine. Kosovo is the same. Russia, China, US, Britain, Germany and everyone else will debate status until the end of time, but the truth is, when it's not their territory and their politicians aren't really impacted one way or the other, the debate will always be hollow.

Now, I can see from posts that some think that this state of limbo gives the advantage to Serbia, but I think not. Kosovo would be poor and undeveloped regardless of UN recognition -- just look at the neighboring countries who have UN membership. Further, Taiwan is proof that a political entity can thrive without full recognition, so in theory, Kosovo could find some other way in the future. Of course, situated in the heart of the Balkans, that won't be easy, just as it won't be easy for Serbia, which is also a mess right now.

Some Serbs also see advantage in Western countries' waning interest in providing peacekeeping resources to Kosovo, but do Serbs really want another war? Hasn't war proven costly enough to Serbia over the past 20 years? When is the focus of Belgrade politicians going to shift to more pressing matters, like economy, environment, healthcare, education, etc?

The snake is not only a fool to think people believe him regarding security for Serbs in Kosovo, he is a terrible liar, too.
(Roger7, 22 August 2012 13:19)

Oh why are you attempting to add logic to the argument Roger7? Why focus on murdered Serbs when the important thing is that His High and Sexy Excellency Hashim Thaci was allowed to speak freely and openly at the United Nations Security Council for the first time? Despite coming in through the sponsorship of the American and British delegation and only talking after UNMIK gave its report, this is such a major accomplishment for the Kosovo Albanian nationalist cause that it matters not that he's talking out of his ass. What matters is that the UN has now, according to Thaci, indirectly recognized the incontestable and unambiguous sovereignty and independence of the most democratic and multiethnic state in the galaxy and every attempt by the evil Serbian propaganda machine to stop him from sounding like a fool ultimately failed. Here for the first time, Thaci was able to show the world that when he lies through his teeth, he speaks for himself and his people, and that's all that matters. America should be proud they were able to transform a barbarian into the best statesmen CIA money could fund :)

Well done Mr. Thaci, what a great way to show the world that we are ready to lead Kosova. End of independence supervision is a significant positive progressive sign. Serbs in Kosova have integrated with Kosova's institutions. They are independent to do just about anything they wish to do so, despite the Serbian propaganda. If Serbs were in danger as Belgrade officials claim to be, Kosova wouldn't have gotten this far as they already have. Sure were facing general problems just like every other country. I strongly suggest Serbian officials stop financing northern Serbs to continue disturbing peace. They should rather use that money to feed the hungry in Serbia. That would be a much better idea. Kosova is a done deal, the only thing for Serbian officials is left to say, " We will never recognize Kosovo" At the end of the day, we really don't care. As much as you think you're hurting Kosova, you're also hurting Serbia even more. We all know that is a fact. Serbia itself is not a stabled country, foreign investors will not invest a dime there all because of Serbia's policies which poses threat to neighbors.

I suggest Serbia learns from Milo Djukanovic. A Serbian from Montenegro recognized Kosova October of 2008, shortly after Kosova's independence.

"According to Thaci, the Kosovo Serbs are satisfied with the security situation, their safety is no longer a key issue and Priština is now safer than most of the capitals in the region."

LOL someone ought to tell this guy that lies like this aren't believed outside state controlled Albanian media circles. Like I said yesterday, I really wonder how the Americans and British feel about letting this idiot speak in public seeing as he does more damage to Kosovo's image than by remaining quiet. But then again, reading the comments from the American and British delegation, they all seem to be hopelessly deep in collective denial about that armpit of a place they refer to as a multiethnic and democratic country. I'd like to think the biggest danger to Kosovo's stability today is the rampant corruption and series of unsolved murders, both political and civil, than any so-called "parallel institutions" that continue to scare the crap out of the US delegation.

British ambassadors welcomed Thaci first, while the Russian, Portuguese, Moroccan and Indian ambassadors welcomed Dačić first.

Who cares who was addressed first. The bottom line 2 PM's of 2 different countries were addressed.

Despite my political disagreements with Hashim Thaci and the way he leads Kosovo, the Kosovo government has one thing to be proud of. The inclusion of 3 Serbs as ministers and the role of Slobodan Petrovic as Deputy Prime Minister of Kosovo. A recent report which shows that some 50,000 Kosovo Serbs have taken Kosovo passports proves that there is integration.

Important is that rissia, china and india are behind the serbia and that kosovo is not state.

Funny, that this topic, what the UNSC members said about KiM, was the most commented story on B92 English today. Mind you, it is well known what the UNSC members will say. They all have their own agenda's, and believe me, it has nothing to do with human rights, multi-ethnic societies, blah, blah, blah, it has to do with personal interests. That is the reason that KiM is in limbo today. The West thought they could pull KiM away from Serbia, especially after brutally bombing Serbian civilian targets and killing innocent citizens on the ground but, they did not figure on Serbian resolve. So they keep blabbing the same old tired, "Kosovo is a multi-ethnic society today, that is making great strides as a free society, vomit! The other side, Russia, China, India, etc., pretty much the majority of the world, says NO!. KiM is a part of Serbia, and it's sovereignty must be respected. So, where are we now? We are at where we will be for decades to come, KiM will be a disputed territory, and that is fine with BG. The West will grow, as it is showing already, very tired of the KiM issue. Wait and see, there will be many more concessions made towards BG than towards Pristina. Honestly, what does the West have to benefit from Pristina anymore? They have their military base there, they employ many bureaucrats there, some goof ball soldiers, and that is fine with them. FROZEN CONFLICT! Enjoy your independence, Serbian Albanians of Kosovo.

Balkan Anthropoligst,

Tyrants, torturers, killers, dictators and corrupt puppet-presidents have been aided, supported, and rewarded handsomely for their loyalty to US interests; snake Thaci happens to be one of these.

They usually grow rich, while their countries' economies deteriorate and the majority of their people live in poverty. They provide unhampered access for American business interests, allow exploitation of their own people with cheap labor and abuse the countries' natural resources for US business profits(like ex-NATO General Wesley Clark) ... all reasons the US government supports them. US tax dollars have made billionaires of some, while others are international drug dealers. Rarely are they called to account for their crimes and the US government is not held responsible for supporting and protecting some of the worst in the world.

It is hilarious that the american representative could say the Kosovo is multiethnic. It is now 92% Albanian after the continual ethnic cleansing over the last 100 years. How close to 100% Albanian does it need to get before they stop calling it multiethnic.

And the comment about parallel institutions and Resolution 1244 is such a joke. The parallel institutions part of 1244 was there to say that the Serbian institutions in Kosovo are the original, and parallel institutions represents the ones that were setup in parallel to the Serbian institutions. So the whole government of "Kosova" is a parallel institution.

Willi Pfaff said, "Are you talking to yourself now? sounds like it, because u repeat the same old crap every day ...."

What a hypocrite you are willi ... judging someone else for repeating "the same old crap every day".

Your constant all things anti-Serb promoting collective guilt rants are repeated again and again willi, willi.

That's exactly what Kosovo wants, as well... i.e. to maintain the status quo of being independent from Serbia. It's great that Kosovo's, Serbia's and your views all converge.
(icj1, 22 August 2012 22:49)

Yes, Kosovo (i.e. the criminal politicians) want to keep the status quo, with Kosovo being in limbo state, KFOR troops and internationals being present (because they are responsible for a good percentage of Kosovo's economy). And with Kosovo not being a real state, it's a perfect place for all kind of mafia clans (connected to the government) for doing their 'business' (i.e. drug trafficking, human trafficking, and the other well known mafia economy)

(Eagle, 22 August 2012 14:32)

Tell me when will it get through your thick heads that the EU issue is as dead as the Dodo bird? There is no EU . The EU of tomorrow, if it’s still around, is not the same old bird of yester year and Serbia will NEVER join the EU nor is its core business to do so. The recent elections have changed Serbia’s direction on that issue.
Belgrade’s tactic is to freeze Kosovo and it has done a very good job so far. The west want it to “function” as some state as tis fear is that status quo will create unrest due to high levels of unemployment. It is the west that is pushing for good terms which means allow the Albanian rabble to look for work in Serbia – they will never let it look for work in the EU.
Well Kosovo costs about $1 billion per year so your point about Serbia receives 50M USD annually? However, do tell me how is Kosovo going to generate the money to stay alive?
On the issue of recognition, the entire world can recognise Kosovo but all it takes is Belgrade to say no and nothing happens.

To: Ecoman

The US aka "west" is still in Japan after WWII and still in Korea, still in Germany, etc... The west is not going anywhere. And as most commentators have written the status quo seems to be fine for everyone at the moment.

The Serbian govt. has repeatedly spoken out against Thaçi and that is fine but they have also said that they are willing to work with others. So the status quo won't hold. Vuk has repeatedly said there will be no recognitions and each time there was one. Even China and Russia will have to change there stance as more recognitions occur in the coming future.

Is Kosovo/a a perfect state? Find me one that is bc I'd like to live there. Is Serbia a better state? It has the same problems as Kosovo/a: high unemployment, corruption, crime, etc. depending which stats you read per capita it is very similar.

People forget the similarities but lets focus on Kosovo/a. 1989 it's govt. dissolved by Milo. It's infrastructure is still Pre 1989 with little investment from that date to the beginning of the war and was in dire need of infrastructure repair. Serbia invested zilch. Eighties had little infrastructure investment also. So for appx. 30 years the area of Kosovo/a was neglected. Serbia didn't invest a dime and Thaçi doesn't have a dime to invest.

Now statistically if the 2 states fall close on the ranking order on corruption, unemployment, etc. then not bad for a state that has had little investment in the basics from Serbia.

Secondly this going around in circles is exactly what Serbia wants as it maintains the status quo of going nowhere.
(sj, 22 August 2012 13:40)

That's exactly what Kosovo wants, as well... i.e. to maintain the status quo of being independent from Serbia. It's great that Kosovo's, Serbia's and your views all converge.

According to Thaci, the Kosovo Serbs are satisfied with the security situation, their safety is no longer a key issue and Priština is now safer than most of the capitals in the region. Is he serious, what a joke of a statement.

You quislings keep repeating the same crap
ecoman

Are you talking to yourself now? sounds like it, because u repeat the same old crap every day ....

Yes, Kosovo (i.e. the criminal politicians) want to keep the status quo, with Kosovo being in limbo state, KFOR troops and internationals being present (because they are responsible for a good percentage of Kosovo's economy). And with Kosovo not being a real state, it's a perfect place for all kind of mafia clans (connected to the government) for doing their 'business' (i.e. drug trafficking, human trafficking, and the other well known mafia economy)
(Comm. Parrisson, 23 August 2012 15:10)

Exactly, because as you said above, it is not Serbia which controls Kosovo, but somebody else. That's all Kosovo cares about...

What are the contrasting views of those in Kosovo UNSC to us now interested.

"Yes indeed, Serbia is a frozen subject when it comes to becoming an EU member just like Kosova"

Who said Serbia wants to be in the EU??? Serbia already has VISA free travel through the Schengen, but unfortunately citizens of Kosova do not.

"Name one country who might of revoked Kosova's recognition???"

Macedonia nearly revoked their recognition, Malaysia withdrew their recognition then re-recognized it. Bulgarian and Montenegrin people are not happy with their government's decision so expect to see a withdrawal from them. Portugal, Poland and Czech Republic apologized for the recognition.

"Not one, so with that being said"

Too impatient to wait for an answer?????

"Serbia has been getting financial aid as well from foreign countries"

I'm sure independent Kosova has had no financial aid from any foreign country.

"At the same time you want to compare Kosova, one of the newest counties"

What does Kosova being a new country have to do with the price of tea in China. You're forgetting Serbia is also a new country formed in 2006 (when Serbia and Montenegro split) only 2 years older than Kosova.

"We already know Serbia's debt has hit sky high."

If you want to talk about sky high debt, nobody can beat the USA with 14.5T USD, but as you see its not only debt figures that count but also GDP, lets compare those shall we.

"You Serbs should get your facts right before you embarrass yourself"

Who said the people on this form are Serbs????

Well done Mr. Thaci, what a great way to show the world that we are ready to lead Kosova. End of independence supervision is a significant positive progressive sign. Serbs in Kosova have integrated with Kosova's institutions. They are independent to do just about anything they wish to do so, despite the Serbian propaganda. If Serbs were in danger as Belgrade officials claim to be, Kosova wouldn't have gotten this far as they already have. Sure were facing general problems just like every other country. I strongly suggest Serbian officials stop financing northern Serbs to continue disturbing peace. They should rather use that money to feed the hungry in Serbia. That would be a much better idea. Kosova is a done deal, the only thing for Serbian officials is left to say, " We will never recognize Kosovo" At the end of the day, we really don't care. As much as you think you're hurting Kosova, you're also hurting Serbia even more. We all know that is a fact. Serbia itself is not a stabled country, foreign investors will not invest a dime there all because of Serbia's policies which poses threat to neighbors.

I suggest Serbia learns from Milo Djukanovic. A Serbian from Montenegro recognized Kosova October of 2008, shortly after Kosova's independence.

Despite my political disagreements with Hashim Thaci and the way he leads Kosovo, the Kosovo government has one thing to be proud of. The inclusion of 3 Serbs as ministers and the role of Slobodan Petrovic as Deputy Prime Minister of Kosovo. A recent report which shows that some 50,000 Kosovo Serbs have taken Kosovo passports proves that there is integration.

@ SJ
B92 Reported the hunger issue that has been taking place in Serbia. I guess you Serbs prefer to read the headlines which do not disappoint you.

Yes indeed, Serbia is a frozen subject when it comes to becoming an EU member just like Kosova. If you think you froze Kosova, well you froze yourself too. Fact of the matter is, countries have been, and still are, and will be recognizing Kosova. Name one country who might of revoked Kosova's recognition??? Not one, so with that being said, it's safe to say that Serbia is losing this one and has been losing since March of 1999. Serbia has been getting financial aid as well from foreign countries. At the same time you want to compare Kosova, one of the newest counties in the world about relying on foreign financial aid. Serbia receives 50M USD annually total grant. Not a loan, we already know Serbia's debt has hit sky high. You Serbs should get your facts right before you embarrass yourself at any debate when it has to do with Kosova.

"Serbia itself is not a stabled country, foreign investors will not invest a dime there all because of Serbia's policies which poses threat to neighbors. "
(Eagle, 22 August 2012 11:28)

Maybe true, but the stability of the country and the conditions for investors in Serbia are 100 times better than in Kosovo. No serious company would dare to invest in Kosovo - with an unsettled status, inherent corruption, lack of basic infrastructure and a criminal government.

China, Russia and others will block Kosovo entry in UN. Because they know that other regions will be next.
The world does not need UDIs. The world needs stability and mutual agreed deals!

Eagle

You and Hashim "nick your organs for a dollar" Thaci are both in cloud cuckoo land. You both appear to be suffering from delusions. Thaci is a prize liar and a thieving murderering criminal scumbag who is the only one who believes in his own drivel with the exception of yourself.

You never miss an opportunity to spout your anti Serbian venom, get a life dude!!

Eagle, hahaha, where did you get your talking points from, The Snake? You quislings keep repeating the same crap that the US and Brit ambassadors do, but the free world knows the truth about KiM, it is a mafia run society, and the purging of Serbs and other minorities continues in KiM on a daily basis. Thaci has no credibility, the world knows him as a terrorist mafioso thug, and he can spew his BS all day long, it will still not be the truth. You should apply for Pristina's propaganda minister, Eagle, you spew the same lying junk almost as well as the Crime Minister himself.

So, Snake Thaci said ... "the Kosovo Serbs are satisfied with the security situation."
LIAR!

Kosovo Serbs +Milovan and +Ljiljana Jevtić were murdered in July.

The snake is not only a fool to think people believe him regarding security for Serbs in Kosovo, he is a terrible liar, too.

(Eagle, 22 August 2012 11:28)

Firstly there is no end of supervision of Kosovo as it disputed territory. Secondly this going around in circles is exactly what Serbia wants as it maintains the status quo of going nowhere. Thirdly your lot would give their left … for Belgrade to recognize Kosovo because until they do NOTHING happens, absolutely NOTHING because its disputed. NO investment, no sales, No NOTHING. What a joke to make a statement like “we are facing problems… like any state…” Kosovo is not a state. It has no resources, no energy and it relies 100% on EU aid to run a so called government.
Please no crap about the 5 trillion in minerals in Kosovo – its the usual western BS to show some positives to the local populace; much like leading people in a desert who are dying of thirst and telling them water is only over the next hill.. If it was there the Communists would have got their hands on it.
Mate, if there was a hunger problem in Serbia your Albanians in Kosovo would look something like the dead out of that TV series the Walking Dead.
Nothing is ever a done deal.

@"eagle":

you don´t care? =) well, my dear k-albanian friend...you WILL care, there is no doubt about it. and the US will let you down. sooner or later. and WE are nearby, WE CARE about it...and that will make you care too.

but in the end, Serbia will prevail.

as for your nickname, better call yourself "chicken"! that would say a lot more about your position in that game...

"Despite my political disagreements with Hashim Thaci and the way he leads Kosovo, the Kosovo government has one thing to be proud of. The inclusion of 3 Serbs as ministers and the role of Slobodan Petrovic as Deputy Prime Minister of Kosovo. "
(palladium, 22 August 2012 12:44)

Not at all a merit of this 'Kosovo government' and the albanian freedom-fighting hero Thaci. The Kosovo consitution (this nice idea of a multi-ethnic state where minorities rights are preserved) which requires a quote of Serbs being in the government was more or less dictated by the western powers/the U.S. ambassador in Pristina.

Next time you're in Pristina speak Serbian on the street, if you survive, please tell me how safe you felt. Thaci, what a joke!

One cannot take anything that the US or the UK say regarding peace and democracy seriously anymore. Not after Iraq, Lybia, Syria, the Assange case and the erosion of civil liberties in the US.
Thaci: "Serbs feel safe in Kosovo". Seriously? Pffff. If it wasn't so serious it would be funny.

(Eagle, 22 August 2012 11:28)
Oh yeah, Djukanovic is really a shining example of honesty and morality.

You quislings keep repeating the same crap
ecoman

Are you talking to yourself now? sounds like it, because u repeat the same old crap every day ....

“Serbs feel safe in Kosovo”

The only people who can feel safe are criminals and members of mafia gangs - they don't have to live in fear to be arrested by the KPS.

Balkan Anthropoligst,

Tyrants, torturers, killers, dictators and corrupt puppet-presidents have been aided, supported, and rewarded handsomely for their loyalty to US interests; snake Thaci happens to be one of these.

They usually grow rich, while their countries' economies deteriorate and the majority of their people live in poverty. They provide unhampered access for American business interests, allow exploitation of their own people with cheap labor and abuse the countries' natural resources for US business profits(like ex-NATO General Wesley Clark) ... all reasons the US government supports them. US tax dollars have made billionaires of some, while others are international drug dealers. Rarely are they called to account for their crimes and the US government is not held responsible for supporting and protecting some of the worst in the world.

British ambassadors welcomed Thaci first, while the Russian, Portuguese, Moroccan and Indian ambassadors welcomed Dačić first.

Who cares who was addressed first. The bottom line 2 PM's of 2 different countries were addressed.

Funny, that this topic, what the UNSC members said about KiM, was the most commented story on B92 English today. Mind you, it is well known what the UNSC members will say. They all have their own agenda's, and believe me, it has nothing to do with human rights, multi-ethnic societies, blah, blah, blah, it has to do with personal interests. That is the reason that KiM is in limbo today. The West thought they could pull KiM away from Serbia, especially after brutally bombing Serbian civilian targets and killing innocent citizens on the ground but, they did not figure on Serbian resolve. So they keep blabbing the same old tired, "Kosovo is a multi-ethnic society today, that is making great strides as a free society, vomit! The other side, Russia, China, India, etc., pretty much the majority of the world, says NO!. KiM is a part of Serbia, and it's sovereignty must be respected. So, where are we now? We are at where we will be for decades to come, KiM will be a disputed territory, and that is fine with BG. The West will grow, as it is showing already, very tired of the KiM issue. Wait and see, there will be many more concessions made towards BG than towards Pristina. Honestly, what does the West have to benefit from Pristina anymore? They have their military base there, they employ many bureaucrats there, some goof ball soldiers, and that is fine with them. FROZEN CONFLICT! Enjoy your independence, Serbian Albanians of Kosovo.

It is hilarious that the american representative could say the Kosovo is multiethnic. It is now 92% Albanian after the continual ethnic cleansing over the last 100 years. How close to 100% Albanian does it need to get before they stop calling it multiethnic.

And the comment about parallel institutions and Resolution 1244 is such a joke. The parallel institutions part of 1244 was there to say that the Serbian institutions in Kosovo are the original, and parallel institutions represents the ones that were setup in parallel to the Serbian institutions. So the whole government of "Kosova" is a parallel institution.

Secondly this going around in circles is exactly what Serbia wants as it maintains the status quo of going nowhere.
(sj, 22 August 2012 13:40)

That's exactly what Kosovo wants, as well... i.e. to maintain the status quo of being independent from Serbia. It's great that Kosovo's, Serbia's and your views all converge.

"According to Thaci, the Kosovo Serbs are satisfied with the security situation, their safety is no longer a key issue and Priština is now safer than most of the capitals in the region."

LOL someone ought to tell this guy that lies like this aren't believed outside state controlled Albanian media circles. Like I said yesterday, I really wonder how the Americans and British feel about letting this idiot speak in public seeing as he does more damage to Kosovo's image than by remaining quiet. But then again, reading the comments from the American and British delegation, they all seem to be hopelessly deep in collective denial about that armpit of a place they refer to as a multiethnic and democratic country. I'd like to think the biggest danger to Kosovo's stability today is the rampant corruption and series of unsolved murders, both political and civil, than any so-called "parallel institutions" that continue to scare the crap out of the US delegation.

This UNSC discussion reminds me of meetings I have at work: a bunch of people getting together and saying "blah blah blah" and really not caring what happens, as long as they don't have to get involved. Nothing ever gets done, of course, but as long job security and compensation aren't threatened, that's just fine. Kosovo is the same. Russia, China, US, Britain, Germany and everyone else will debate status until the end of time, but the truth is, when it's not their territory and their politicians aren't really impacted one way or the other, the debate will always be hollow.

Now, I can see from posts that some think that this state of limbo gives the advantage to Serbia, but I think not. Kosovo would be poor and undeveloped regardless of UN recognition -- just look at the neighboring countries who have UN membership. Further, Taiwan is proof that a political entity can thrive without full recognition, so in theory, Kosovo could find some other way in the future. Of course, situated in the heart of the Balkans, that won't be easy, just as it won't be easy for Serbia, which is also a mess right now.

Some Serbs also see advantage in Western countries' waning interest in providing peacekeeping resources to Kosovo, but do Serbs really want another war? Hasn't war proven costly enough to Serbia over the past 20 years? When is the focus of Belgrade politicians going to shift to more pressing matters, like economy, environment, healthcare, education, etc?

The snake is not only a fool to think people believe him regarding security for Serbs in Kosovo, he is a terrible liar, too.
(Roger7, 22 August 2012 13:19)

Oh why are you attempting to add logic to the argument Roger7? Why focus on murdered Serbs when the important thing is that His High and Sexy Excellency Hashim Thaci was allowed to speak freely and openly at the United Nations Security Council for the first time? Despite coming in through the sponsorship of the American and British delegation and only talking after UNMIK gave its report, this is such a major accomplishment for the Kosovo Albanian nationalist cause that it matters not that he's talking out of his ass. What matters is that the UN has now, according to Thaci, indirectly recognized the incontestable and unambiguous sovereignty and independence of the most democratic and multiethnic state in the galaxy and every attempt by the evil Serbian propaganda machine to stop him from sounding like a fool ultimately failed. Here for the first time, Thaci was able to show the world that when he lies through his teeth, he speaks for himself and his people, and that's all that matters. America should be proud they were able to transform a barbarian into the best statesmen CIA money could fund :)

Important is that rissia, china and india are behind the serbia and that kosovo is not state.

According to Thaci, the Kosovo Serbs are satisfied with the security situation, their safety is no longer a key issue and Priština is now safer than most of the capitals in the region. Is he serious, what a joke of a statement.

(Eagle, 22 August 2012 14:32)

Tell me when will it get through your thick heads that the EU issue is as dead as the Dodo bird? There is no EU . The EU of tomorrow, if it’s still around, is not the same old bird of yester year and Serbia will NEVER join the EU nor is its core business to do so. The recent elections have changed Serbia’s direction on that issue.
Belgrade’s tactic is to freeze Kosovo and it has done a very good job so far. The west want it to “function” as some state as tis fear is that status quo will create unrest due to high levels of unemployment. It is the west that is pushing for good terms which means allow the Albanian rabble to look for work in Serbia – they will never let it look for work in the EU.
Well Kosovo costs about $1 billion per year so your point about Serbia receives 50M USD annually? However, do tell me how is Kosovo going to generate the money to stay alive?
On the issue of recognition, the entire world can recognise Kosovo but all it takes is Belgrade to say no and nothing happens.

To: Ecoman

The US aka "west" is still in Japan after WWII and still in Korea, still in Germany, etc... The west is not going anywhere. And as most commentators have written the status quo seems to be fine for everyone at the moment.

The Serbian govt. has repeatedly spoken out against Thaçi and that is fine but they have also said that they are willing to work with others. So the status quo won't hold. Vuk has repeatedly said there will be no recognitions and each time there was one. Even China and Russia will have to change there stance as more recognitions occur in the coming future.

Is Kosovo/a a perfect state? Find me one that is bc I'd like to live there. Is Serbia a better state? It has the same problems as Kosovo/a: high unemployment, corruption, crime, etc. depending which stats you read per capita it is very similar.

People forget the similarities but lets focus on Kosovo/a. 1989 it's govt. dissolved by Milo. It's infrastructure is still Pre 1989 with little investment from that date to the beginning of the war and was in dire need of infrastructure repair. Serbia invested zilch. Eighties had little infrastructure investment also. So for appx. 30 years the area of Kosovo/a was neglected. Serbia didn't invest a dime and Thaçi doesn't have a dime to invest.

Now statistically if the 2 states fall close on the ranking order on corruption, unemployment, etc. then not bad for a state that has had little investment in the basics from Serbia.

Willi Pfaff said, "Are you talking to yourself now? sounds like it, because u repeat the same old crap every day ...."

What a hypocrite you are willi ... judging someone else for repeating "the same old crap every day".

Your constant all things anti-Serb promoting collective guilt rants are repeated again and again willi, willi.

That's exactly what Kosovo wants, as well... i.e. to maintain the status quo of being independent from Serbia. It's great that Kosovo's, Serbia's and your views all converge.
(icj1, 22 August 2012 22:49)

Yes, Kosovo (i.e. the criminal politicians) want to keep the status quo, with Kosovo being in limbo state, KFOR troops and internationals being present (because they are responsible for a good percentage of Kosovo's economy). And with Kosovo not being a real state, it's a perfect place for all kind of mafia clans (connected to the government) for doing their 'business' (i.e. drug trafficking, human trafficking, and the other well known mafia economy)

Yes, Kosovo (i.e. the criminal politicians) want to keep the status quo, with Kosovo being in limbo state, KFOR troops and internationals being present (because they are responsible for a good percentage of Kosovo's economy). And with Kosovo not being a real state, it's a perfect place for all kind of mafia clans (connected to the government) for doing their 'business' (i.e. drug trafficking, human trafficking, and the other well known mafia economy)
(Comm. Parrisson, 23 August 2012 15:10)

Exactly, because as you said above, it is not Serbia which controls Kosovo, but somebody else. That's all Kosovo cares about...

What are the contrasting views of those in Kosovo UNSC to us now interested.

"Yes indeed, Serbia is a frozen subject when it comes to becoming an EU member just like Kosova"

Who said Serbia wants to be in the EU??? Serbia already has VISA free travel through the Schengen, but unfortunately citizens of Kosova do not.

"Name one country who might of revoked Kosova's recognition???"

Macedonia nearly revoked their recognition, Malaysia withdrew their recognition then re-recognized it. Bulgarian and Montenegrin people are not happy with their government's decision so expect to see a withdrawal from them. Portugal, Poland and Czech Republic apologized for the recognition.

"Not one, so with that being said"

Too impatient to wait for an answer?????

"Serbia has been getting financial aid as well from foreign countries"

I'm sure independent Kosova has had no financial aid from any foreign country.

"At the same time you want to compare Kosova, one of the newest counties"

What does Kosova being a new country have to do with the price of tea in China. You're forgetting Serbia is also a new country formed in 2006 (when Serbia and Montenegro split) only 2 years older than Kosova.

"We already know Serbia's debt has hit sky high."

If you want to talk about sky high debt, nobody can beat the USA with 14.5T USD, but as you see its not only debt figures that count but also GDP, lets compare those shall we.

"You Serbs should get your facts right before you embarrass yourself"

Who said the people on this form are Serbs????