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Monday, 23.07.2012.

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Still no justice for 14 Serb farmers murdered in Kosovo

The families of 14 Serb farmers shot and killed in Kosovo 13 years ago are remembering their loved ones, awaiting for their killers to be brought to justice.

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to amazing uck terrorist

pre 11 godina

See Georg Robinson art 391. second para, WEDNESDAY 24 MARCH 1999 at House of Commons ---- THE TURTH WAS ALREADY UNDENIABLE BACK THEN, SO NEED FOR BLEETING!
"Until Racak earlier this year KLA were responsible for more deaths in Kosovo than the Yugoslav authorities had been" http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199899/cmselect/cmdfence/39/9032403.htm



- that means 90% of the killed and missing Kosmet Albanians!!!!!

amazing

pre 11 godina

You see, you can come up with any number you like. However, you need to prove it.
(MikeC, 23 July 2012 21:08)
Yes you can, just like you use an article printed in Nov 1999 when the campaign to find missing persons was first launched as stated in the article only 1/3 of the reported grave sites has been investigated. Your own HLC in Belgrade puts the number at more than 13,500 which would be conservative number coming from Belgrade.

justhetruth

pre 11 godina

a justice!? ha...that is a nice one and yes i'm for the justice too first get all the terrorist who start the wars in ex yugo and find the unfounded body's where probably most accurate info you can find inside the serbia and when you find them in serbia freely you can go and catch others next door and thats you call a JUSTICE and i dont see a point looking for some one when you are thousand time more guilty and still i do support anyone no matter nationality who wants to find the truth about there innocent love ones and always they say first you got to feel sorry for someone so others can feel sorry too for you....good luck

Momcilo

pre 11 godina

@montenegrin
You must be completely dillusional. If you are a MOntenegrin today, what were you 5 years ago? You are prob a Muslim that now calls himself a Montenegrin. Anyhow.. if you are a Serb, i would be ashamed to call myself one on your behalf.
Wrong you are, if you follow the timeline, Serbs have been fighting for Christianity, and freedom from the Turks, and dying far before the Kosovo conflict. And im not going to listen to your false rhetoric..i think we've seen enough of that. Control the media, control the war. Grow up. No one's going to hand over our Southern Province . Means much more than you obviously understand.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

LOL! Someone posted under my name, which I noticed two weeks ago. Had a very similar style to the first poster and I noticed Willi responding in the same way. Maybe he is having conversations with himself?
(Zoran, 23 July 2012 16:53)
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Yo all know how many times someone posted under my name too. What is with these Albanians? Can't they debate with facts and reason so they have to pretend to be someone else in order to have a hope of discrediting the original person?
RIP all these victims of radical Islam.
As far as you Albanians are concerned, if you want to commemorate your victims or discuss them then you are free to go on an Albanian website and inflate all the numbers you want and get all the sympathy you need. You can be assured no Serb is going to pollute over there, but don't come on a Serbian website where we are discussing SERBIAN victims and trying to remember them and try to turn it all around.

MikeC

pre 11 godina

" I as a Montenegrin should historically protect Serbia and i am protecting it..."

montenegrin

Yes, and I as a sioux indian should historically protect Montenegro...bla bla bla. Listen dude, you are only fooling yourself. You are 110% albanians. You know how I know? Your exageration of albanian victims during the war. 14000!!! You sure it wasn't 140.000? Nobody is denying albanian victims. However, THIS ARTICLE IS ABOUT MURDERED SERBS. Get that through your ignorant head! Respect that fact or don't bother commenting at all.

"More than 11,000 deaths have been reported to the ICTY - but only a fifth of these have been confirmed"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/517168.stm

You see, you can come up with any number you like. However, you need to prove it. Besides isn't that what you albanians say to serbs as soon as there is a crime aimed against serbs: show proof that albanians were behind it.

exKFOR

pre 11 godina

"Reflection on the past without finger pointing and reducules nationalistic patriotic thinking on all sides is the only way to go.."Willi "the leftist" Plaff,

for the 1st time I fully agree with you - Serbs in KiM do not demand anything nationalistic but only fight in their home Albanian_Muslim fascism and genocidal superiority complex towards other people - why not to start with them - Albanian jihadist in Serbian province Kosmet must go back to Turkey, motherland Albania or obey the laws of the land (Serbia) where they live in - and not to push for their nazism and jihad.

MikeC

pre 11 godina

"This is really sad, 14 Serbs to be killed, all because of our government."

Un-biased Serb

Thoughtless comments like that are an insult to these victims. However, I know your way of thinking. It's actually the albanian way of thinking. These serbs were killed because of Milosevics politics. All those serbs killed by albanians during WW2 were killed because of Milosevics politics. All those serbs still being murdered today are victims because of Milosevics politics. All those serbs that will be killed by albanians in times to come will be killed because of Milosevics politics. Looks like the war will never end for the albanians. Now perhaps its clear to albanians why Kosovo will be partitioned.

Montenegrin

pre 11 godina

OnlyTheTruthWillSetYouFree,
You serbs did not really hand over your generals but they were caught hiding under different identities and were hidden under pony tails, examples: Radovan Karadzic, Ratko Mladic. So do not try to portray reality in a different way than it is because it doesnt work.
Talking about declared war and nondeclared after war wictims... Basically during the brutal conflict in Kosovo where Serbia with its military, paramilitary and police forces killed in horrible ways about 14000 people and did so many crimes that by the Hague Tribunal were compared to crimes of the middle ages, so do you think that nobody from their families will not want revenge for what happened to them? Do you think that they will just say: oh it was war so its over now. The bodies of Kosovo victims were even found all over Serbia hidden and burned in different factories.
Since your nick says that only the truth will set you free, then therefore learn to accept the truth as it is, do not engulf yourself with sick Milosevic type propaganda but open yourself to the other information aswell. I as a Montenegrin should historically protect Serbia and i am protecting it by trying to tell you Serbs to accept the truth and move on. Unfortunately you have still not accepted and are still suffering from sick propaganda and you are still living in the world of mythology.
We are in the 21st century, so please move on.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

And there won't be any justice for these or any Serbs killed in the most law abiding multiethnic democratic state which is overwhelmingly inhabited by one of Europe's oldest and most peace loving peoples. I wonder if Willi gets pissed at the thought of graves being desecrated and the cemetery mined. Or does he just get angry at what Serbs do?

???

pre 11 godina

Though these victims are just as innocent as those in Vokuvar, Srebreniza, and Racak.
(Un-biased Serb (ALL DESERVE BETTER), 23 July 2012 11:12)

I saw the spelling of these places and right away knew this was Willi Plaff's attempt at trolling. Nice try.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

I saw the spelling of these pI saw the spelling of these places and right away knew this was Willi Plaff's attempt at trolling. Nice try.
(???, 23 July 2012 16:14)
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LOL! Someone posted under my name, which I noticed two weeks ago. Had a very similar style to the first poster and I noticed Willi responding in the same way. Maybe he is having conversations with himself?

Willi Pfaff

pre 11 godina

I saw the spelling of these places and right away knew this was Willi Plaff's attempt at trolling. Nice try.
(???, 23 July 2012 16:14)

How ridicules, i show my face compared to you .... honesty is something u first have to learn ....

Agon

pre 11 godina

B92 Want to know a new article for tomorrows newspaper of yours just replace the words Serbs to Albanians, farmers to Civilians and add 3 zeros to the number 14 :)

OnlyTheTruthWillSetYouFree

pre 11 godina

Un-biased Serb, the Racak massacre was investigated by 2 independent Forensic teams and 1 EU team. Both independent teams have concluded that the scene was setup and bodies tested positive for having gun backfire residue (indicating they were combatants), and that their bodies were mutilated after death, clothing changed, and that the bodies were put at the location of massacre site AFTER death. ALL signs point to a staged scene. But who cares, the powers that be got what they wanted. PRETEXT for military intervention. The cold blooded murder of these Serbs happened WHEN THERE WAS NO WAR! Do you comprehend that? No pretext, no setup, no "fishy" details. You can't compare to any of these previously mentioned. I can't believe you would somehow try to compare these innocent civilian deaths during "peacetime" to those of military/civilian deaths during war. Even IF you wanted to compare Serb/Bosnian/Croat/Albanian deaths between each other during the wars of the in the 1900's Serb deaths are in the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS more... yet unlike we Serbs have done, those responsible never faced their crimes, you didn't hand over your presidents, generals, soldiers, responsible for crimes and you didn't apologize. That's the difference between us, that's why you all hate us. We're better people you, you're better LIARS. You sided with the West for a few crumbs and in the end will be on the losing side as always. Have a nice life! and goodluck.... you're gonna need it!

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Same old pattern by the usual Albanians and partners in crime. When non-Serbs are killed, it is the Serb's fault. When Serbs are killed, it is still our fault. The finger pointing hasn't stopped and there will be no justice while the neo-NAZIs rule the world.

Wally

pre 11 godina

Willy- i am sorry, but I will not allow you to go on without a response. Serbia has paid heavily from any crimes it may have committed, many of the more infamous ones of doubtful authenticity. Bombed, embargoed, demonised like no other peoples since the Jews before WW2. It is Croatia, Kosovo Albanians and Bosnian Muslims who need to face up to their past and their role in the bloody breakup. On the one hand you say all should accept their guilt, then on the other you insist on only Serbia. We have paid our dues. You are still trying to take Kosovo from us on the false assumption that some crime was committed there which after 12 years of investigation clearly did not happen. Horseshoe was a lie and proven so, as was any genocide in Kosovo or Bosnia for that matter. On the contrary, looking at the cold facts, it is the Serbs who have had genocide committed against them. Look at yourself in the mirror, please, before telling us to suffer even more for things that we have already suffered enough for.

ecoman

pre 11 godina

Un-biased Serb, and Willi, two Albanians in sheep's clothing, crack me up. You talk of reconciliation, but cannot help yourselves in pointing the finger at Serbs, as the guilty party. How about Albanians stop murdering Serbs, Willi, now in 2012? I think that would be a giant step towards reconciliation in the region. BTW, I don't even want to be friends with jerks like the two of you.

dreamin' on

pre 11 godina

(Un-biased Serb (ALL DESERVE BETTER)
Let's make love right now... you know what they say about great enemies, when (and if) they fall in love they also make fantastic lovers!

SCP UK

pre 11 godina

@Un-biased Serb

I know you want to come on here and appear to be the peacemaker who apparently isnt on anyone's side, well you if you indeed are a Serb make the situation worse. You come on here and talk about all sides admitting their guilt, the Serbs have spent years answering to crimes (most of which are false) and suffered major villification throught the media. Meanwhile the Croats, Bosnian Muslims and Albanians never admit to any crimes, or any wrong doing what so ever. The Croats have never apologised or recognized their WWII Ustasa and Jasenovac crimes or Operation Storm in 1995. The Muslims in Bosnia think they are the as innocent as anything, just look at how Naser Oric is now free despite all his crimes, again no admittance. The Albanians well they continue to commit crimes to this day, yet no apologies or acknowledgment of all their wrongdoings. Yet you have the foolishness to come here and put Serbs on an equal level with them. Attitudes like yours do nothing for reconciliation (if it is at all possible), rather continue the blame of the Serbs but while trying to uphold the false image of impartiality. Why dont you focus on those who have admitted to no crimes what so ever, and if you are a Serb then cut your own people some slack after all of their villification over the recent years. Why not focus on the Croats, Bosnian Muslims or Albanians in their admittance? I dont want any reconciliation until their admit their guilt.

PEN

pre 11 godina

Extremists from Veliki Alas desecrated their graves and placed mines in the cemetery. To murder innocent farmers going about their business then do this requires a very disturbed mindset indeed. The 'people' you're dealing with here are worse than animals. And they still probably reside in the locality. There is absolutely no will by the international's to apprehend these criminals. Imagine if these were Israeli farmers. The perpetrators would have been ruthlessly hunted down and liquidated years ago.

Willi Pfaff

pre 11 godina

ALL
(Un-biased Serb (ALL DESERVE BETTER), 23 July 2012 11:12)

BRAVO!!!!!!

yes, that is the way to go, the only way to go to bring peace to the entire region. Reflection on the past without finger pointing and reducules nationalistic patriotic thinking on all sides is the only way to go. Reconcilation is only possible if if all sides realize what they did to each other, and from that basis it is possible to build something new. But I must say, that Serbia is lacking a lot in that respect. The other countries in the Balkans really are ahead in thinking along these lines. Serbia can only gain if it goes down that road, and so can the entire Balkan.

Un-biased Serb (ALL DESERVE BETTER)

pre 11 godina

As sad as this may sound, at the same time our people have committed severe crimes through-out Balkans. Though these victims are just as innocent as those in Vokuvar, Srebreniza, and Racak. It is time to catch every single one of these criminals where ever they are. Croatia, Serbia, ans Kosovo. The only way for all of us to move forward is to show one another the fact that we do recognize our mistakes. We should never allow this to happen ever again. This is really sad, 14 Serbs to be killed, all because of our government. Exactly I said it because of our government who had their families well fed and secured during these hard times. While our brothers and sisters suffered the most in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo. It is time to move on and, stop what were doing even today. The world is tired of our childish behavior, and some of them are even laughing at us. Time to live in peace, enough with this nationalistic hatred towards others, from all sides. Croatians, Serbs, and Albanians. I am pretty sure, it's all about WHO is willing to take the first step, take initiative at showing that we can live in peace. Help one another when were going through hardship. Give one another a handout when it's mos needed. Any comments from ignorant Albanians, Serbians, and Croatians aimed at me are not going to intimidate me for the fact that I took initiative to show some what or sympathy for ALL. For all who have suffered losses throughout the 90's. We all deserve better.

ALL

PEN

pre 11 godina

Extremists from Veliki Alas desecrated their graves and placed mines in the cemetery. To murder innocent farmers going about their business then do this requires a very disturbed mindset indeed. The 'people' you're dealing with here are worse than animals. And they still probably reside in the locality. There is absolutely no will by the international's to apprehend these criminals. Imagine if these were Israeli farmers. The perpetrators would have been ruthlessly hunted down and liquidated years ago.

Wally

pre 11 godina

Willy- i am sorry, but I will not allow you to go on without a response. Serbia has paid heavily from any crimes it may have committed, many of the more infamous ones of doubtful authenticity. Bombed, embargoed, demonised like no other peoples since the Jews before WW2. It is Croatia, Kosovo Albanians and Bosnian Muslims who need to face up to their past and their role in the bloody breakup. On the one hand you say all should accept their guilt, then on the other you insist on only Serbia. We have paid our dues. You are still trying to take Kosovo from us on the false assumption that some crime was committed there which after 12 years of investigation clearly did not happen. Horseshoe was a lie and proven so, as was any genocide in Kosovo or Bosnia for that matter. On the contrary, looking at the cold facts, it is the Serbs who have had genocide committed against them. Look at yourself in the mirror, please, before telling us to suffer even more for things that we have already suffered enough for.

ecoman

pre 11 godina

Un-biased Serb, and Willi, two Albanians in sheep's clothing, crack me up. You talk of reconciliation, but cannot help yourselves in pointing the finger at Serbs, as the guilty party. How about Albanians stop murdering Serbs, Willi, now in 2012? I think that would be a giant step towards reconciliation in the region. BTW, I don't even want to be friends with jerks like the two of you.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Same old pattern by the usual Albanians and partners in crime. When non-Serbs are killed, it is the Serb's fault. When Serbs are killed, it is still our fault. The finger pointing hasn't stopped and there will be no justice while the neo-NAZIs rule the world.

SCP UK

pre 11 godina

@Un-biased Serb

I know you want to come on here and appear to be the peacemaker who apparently isnt on anyone's side, well you if you indeed are a Serb make the situation worse. You come on here and talk about all sides admitting their guilt, the Serbs have spent years answering to crimes (most of which are false) and suffered major villification throught the media. Meanwhile the Croats, Bosnian Muslims and Albanians never admit to any crimes, or any wrong doing what so ever. The Croats have never apologised or recognized their WWII Ustasa and Jasenovac crimes or Operation Storm in 1995. The Muslims in Bosnia think they are the as innocent as anything, just look at how Naser Oric is now free despite all his crimes, again no admittance. The Albanians well they continue to commit crimes to this day, yet no apologies or acknowledgment of all their wrongdoings. Yet you have the foolishness to come here and put Serbs on an equal level with them. Attitudes like yours do nothing for reconciliation (if it is at all possible), rather continue the blame of the Serbs but while trying to uphold the false image of impartiality. Why dont you focus on those who have admitted to no crimes what so ever, and if you are a Serb then cut your own people some slack after all of their villification over the recent years. Why not focus on the Croats, Bosnian Muslims or Albanians in their admittance? I dont want any reconciliation until their admit their guilt.

OnlyTheTruthWillSetYouFree

pre 11 godina

Un-biased Serb, the Racak massacre was investigated by 2 independent Forensic teams and 1 EU team. Both independent teams have concluded that the scene was setup and bodies tested positive for having gun backfire residue (indicating they were combatants), and that their bodies were mutilated after death, clothing changed, and that the bodies were put at the location of massacre site AFTER death. ALL signs point to a staged scene. But who cares, the powers that be got what they wanted. PRETEXT for military intervention. The cold blooded murder of these Serbs happened WHEN THERE WAS NO WAR! Do you comprehend that? No pretext, no setup, no "fishy" details. You can't compare to any of these previously mentioned. I can't believe you would somehow try to compare these innocent civilian deaths during "peacetime" to those of military/civilian deaths during war. Even IF you wanted to compare Serb/Bosnian/Croat/Albanian deaths between each other during the wars of the in the 1900's Serb deaths are in the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS more... yet unlike we Serbs have done, those responsible never faced their crimes, you didn't hand over your presidents, generals, soldiers, responsible for crimes and you didn't apologize. That's the difference between us, that's why you all hate us. We're better people you, you're better LIARS. You sided with the West for a few crumbs and in the end will be on the losing side as always. Have a nice life! and goodluck.... you're gonna need it!

Un-biased Serb (ALL DESERVE BETTER)

pre 11 godina

As sad as this may sound, at the same time our people have committed severe crimes through-out Balkans. Though these victims are just as innocent as those in Vokuvar, Srebreniza, and Racak. It is time to catch every single one of these criminals where ever they are. Croatia, Serbia, ans Kosovo. The only way for all of us to move forward is to show one another the fact that we do recognize our mistakes. We should never allow this to happen ever again. This is really sad, 14 Serbs to be killed, all because of our government. Exactly I said it because of our government who had their families well fed and secured during these hard times. While our brothers and sisters suffered the most in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo. It is time to move on and, stop what were doing even today. The world is tired of our childish behavior, and some of them are even laughing at us. Time to live in peace, enough with this nationalistic hatred towards others, from all sides. Croatians, Serbs, and Albanians. I am pretty sure, it's all about WHO is willing to take the first step, take initiative at showing that we can live in peace. Help one another when were going through hardship. Give one another a handout when it's mos needed. Any comments from ignorant Albanians, Serbians, and Croatians aimed at me are not going to intimidate me for the fact that I took initiative to show some what or sympathy for ALL. For all who have suffered losses throughout the 90's. We all deserve better.

ALL

???

pre 11 godina

Though these victims are just as innocent as those in Vokuvar, Srebreniza, and Racak.
(Un-biased Serb (ALL DESERVE BETTER), 23 July 2012 11:12)

I saw the spelling of these places and right away knew this was Willi Plaff's attempt at trolling. Nice try.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

And there won't be any justice for these or any Serbs killed in the most law abiding multiethnic democratic state which is overwhelmingly inhabited by one of Europe's oldest and most peace loving peoples. I wonder if Willi gets pissed at the thought of graves being desecrated and the cemetery mined. Or does he just get angry at what Serbs do?

MikeC

pre 11 godina

" I as a Montenegrin should historically protect Serbia and i am protecting it..."

montenegrin

Yes, and I as a sioux indian should historically protect Montenegro...bla bla bla. Listen dude, you are only fooling yourself. You are 110% albanians. You know how I know? Your exageration of albanian victims during the war. 14000!!! You sure it wasn't 140.000? Nobody is denying albanian victims. However, THIS ARTICLE IS ABOUT MURDERED SERBS. Get that through your ignorant head! Respect that fact or don't bother commenting at all.

"More than 11,000 deaths have been reported to the ICTY - but only a fifth of these have been confirmed"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/517168.stm

You see, you can come up with any number you like. However, you need to prove it. Besides isn't that what you albanians say to serbs as soon as there is a crime aimed against serbs: show proof that albanians were behind it.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

LOL! Someone posted under my name, which I noticed two weeks ago. Had a very similar style to the first poster and I noticed Willi responding in the same way. Maybe he is having conversations with himself?
(Zoran, 23 July 2012 16:53)
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Yo all know how many times someone posted under my name too. What is with these Albanians? Can't they debate with facts and reason so they have to pretend to be someone else in order to have a hope of discrediting the original person?
RIP all these victims of radical Islam.
As far as you Albanians are concerned, if you want to commemorate your victims or discuss them then you are free to go on an Albanian website and inflate all the numbers you want and get all the sympathy you need. You can be assured no Serb is going to pollute over there, but don't come on a Serbian website where we are discussing SERBIAN victims and trying to remember them and try to turn it all around.

MikeC

pre 11 godina

"This is really sad, 14 Serbs to be killed, all because of our government."

Un-biased Serb

Thoughtless comments like that are an insult to these victims. However, I know your way of thinking. It's actually the albanian way of thinking. These serbs were killed because of Milosevics politics. All those serbs killed by albanians during WW2 were killed because of Milosevics politics. All those serbs still being murdered today are victims because of Milosevics politics. All those serbs that will be killed by albanians in times to come will be killed because of Milosevics politics. Looks like the war will never end for the albanians. Now perhaps its clear to albanians why Kosovo will be partitioned.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

I saw the spelling of these pI saw the spelling of these places and right away knew this was Willi Plaff's attempt at trolling. Nice try.
(???, 23 July 2012 16:14)
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LOL! Someone posted under my name, which I noticed two weeks ago. Had a very similar style to the first poster and I noticed Willi responding in the same way. Maybe he is having conversations with himself?

exKFOR

pre 11 godina

"Reflection on the past without finger pointing and reducules nationalistic patriotic thinking on all sides is the only way to go.."Willi "the leftist" Plaff,

for the 1st time I fully agree with you - Serbs in KiM do not demand anything nationalistic but only fight in their home Albanian_Muslim fascism and genocidal superiority complex towards other people - why not to start with them - Albanian jihadist in Serbian province Kosmet must go back to Turkey, motherland Albania or obey the laws of the land (Serbia) where they live in - and not to push for their nazism and jihad.

Agon

pre 11 godina

B92 Want to know a new article for tomorrows newspaper of yours just replace the words Serbs to Albanians, farmers to Civilians and add 3 zeros to the number 14 :)

Montenegrin

pre 11 godina

OnlyTheTruthWillSetYouFree,
You serbs did not really hand over your generals but they were caught hiding under different identities and were hidden under pony tails, examples: Radovan Karadzic, Ratko Mladic. So do not try to portray reality in a different way than it is because it doesnt work.
Talking about declared war and nondeclared after war wictims... Basically during the brutal conflict in Kosovo where Serbia with its military, paramilitary and police forces killed in horrible ways about 14000 people and did so many crimes that by the Hague Tribunal were compared to crimes of the middle ages, so do you think that nobody from their families will not want revenge for what happened to them? Do you think that they will just say: oh it was war so its over now. The bodies of Kosovo victims were even found all over Serbia hidden and burned in different factories.
Since your nick says that only the truth will set you free, then therefore learn to accept the truth as it is, do not engulf yourself with sick Milosevic type propaganda but open yourself to the other information aswell. I as a Montenegrin should historically protect Serbia and i am protecting it by trying to tell you Serbs to accept the truth and move on. Unfortunately you have still not accepted and are still suffering from sick propaganda and you are still living in the world of mythology.
We are in the 21st century, so please move on.

Momcilo

pre 11 godina

@montenegrin
You must be completely dillusional. If you are a MOntenegrin today, what were you 5 years ago? You are prob a Muslim that now calls himself a Montenegrin. Anyhow.. if you are a Serb, i would be ashamed to call myself one on your behalf.
Wrong you are, if you follow the timeline, Serbs have been fighting for Christianity, and freedom from the Turks, and dying far before the Kosovo conflict. And im not going to listen to your false rhetoric..i think we've seen enough of that. Control the media, control the war. Grow up. No one's going to hand over our Southern Province . Means much more than you obviously understand.

Willi Pfaff

pre 11 godina

ALL
(Un-biased Serb (ALL DESERVE BETTER), 23 July 2012 11:12)

BRAVO!!!!!!

yes, that is the way to go, the only way to go to bring peace to the entire region. Reflection on the past without finger pointing and reducules nationalistic patriotic thinking on all sides is the only way to go. Reconcilation is only possible if if all sides realize what they did to each other, and from that basis it is possible to build something new. But I must say, that Serbia is lacking a lot in that respect. The other countries in the Balkans really are ahead in thinking along these lines. Serbia can only gain if it goes down that road, and so can the entire Balkan.

Willi Pfaff

pre 11 godina

I saw the spelling of these places and right away knew this was Willi Plaff's attempt at trolling. Nice try.
(???, 23 July 2012 16:14)

How ridicules, i show my face compared to you .... honesty is something u first have to learn ....

dreamin' on

pre 11 godina

(Un-biased Serb (ALL DESERVE BETTER)
Let's make love right now... you know what they say about great enemies, when (and if) they fall in love they also make fantastic lovers!

justhetruth

pre 11 godina

a justice!? ha...that is a nice one and yes i'm for the justice too first get all the terrorist who start the wars in ex yugo and find the unfounded body's where probably most accurate info you can find inside the serbia and when you find them in serbia freely you can go and catch others next door and thats you call a JUSTICE and i dont see a point looking for some one when you are thousand time more guilty and still i do support anyone no matter nationality who wants to find the truth about there innocent love ones and always they say first you got to feel sorry for someone so others can feel sorry too for you....good luck

amazing

pre 11 godina

You see, you can come up with any number you like. However, you need to prove it.
(MikeC, 23 July 2012 21:08)
Yes you can, just like you use an article printed in Nov 1999 when the campaign to find missing persons was first launched as stated in the article only 1/3 of the reported grave sites has been investigated. Your own HLC in Belgrade puts the number at more than 13,500 which would be conservative number coming from Belgrade.

to amazing uck terrorist

pre 11 godina

See Georg Robinson art 391. second para, WEDNESDAY 24 MARCH 1999 at House of Commons ---- THE TURTH WAS ALREADY UNDENIABLE BACK THEN, SO NEED FOR BLEETING!
"Until Racak earlier this year KLA were responsible for more deaths in Kosovo than the Yugoslav authorities had been" http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199899/cmselect/cmdfence/39/9032403.htm



- that means 90% of the killed and missing Kosmet Albanians!!!!!

Willi Pfaff

pre 11 godina

ALL
(Un-biased Serb (ALL DESERVE BETTER), 23 July 2012 11:12)

BRAVO!!!!!!

yes, that is the way to go, the only way to go to bring peace to the entire region. Reflection on the past without finger pointing and reducules nationalistic patriotic thinking on all sides is the only way to go. Reconcilation is only possible if if all sides realize what they did to each other, and from that basis it is possible to build something new. But I must say, that Serbia is lacking a lot in that respect. The other countries in the Balkans really are ahead in thinking along these lines. Serbia can only gain if it goes down that road, and so can the entire Balkan.

Un-biased Serb (ALL DESERVE BETTER)

pre 11 godina

As sad as this may sound, at the same time our people have committed severe crimes through-out Balkans. Though these victims are just as innocent as those in Vokuvar, Srebreniza, and Racak. It is time to catch every single one of these criminals where ever they are. Croatia, Serbia, ans Kosovo. The only way for all of us to move forward is to show one another the fact that we do recognize our mistakes. We should never allow this to happen ever again. This is really sad, 14 Serbs to be killed, all because of our government. Exactly I said it because of our government who had their families well fed and secured during these hard times. While our brothers and sisters suffered the most in Croatia, Bosnia, and Kosovo. It is time to move on and, stop what were doing even today. The world is tired of our childish behavior, and some of them are even laughing at us. Time to live in peace, enough with this nationalistic hatred towards others, from all sides. Croatians, Serbs, and Albanians. I am pretty sure, it's all about WHO is willing to take the first step, take initiative at showing that we can live in peace. Help one another when were going through hardship. Give one another a handout when it's mos needed. Any comments from ignorant Albanians, Serbians, and Croatians aimed at me are not going to intimidate me for the fact that I took initiative to show some what or sympathy for ALL. For all who have suffered losses throughout the 90's. We all deserve better.

ALL

Montenegrin

pre 11 godina

OnlyTheTruthWillSetYouFree,
You serbs did not really hand over your generals but they were caught hiding under different identities and were hidden under pony tails, examples: Radovan Karadzic, Ratko Mladic. So do not try to portray reality in a different way than it is because it doesnt work.
Talking about declared war and nondeclared after war wictims... Basically during the brutal conflict in Kosovo where Serbia with its military, paramilitary and police forces killed in horrible ways about 14000 people and did so many crimes that by the Hague Tribunal were compared to crimes of the middle ages, so do you think that nobody from their families will not want revenge for what happened to them? Do you think that they will just say: oh it was war so its over now. The bodies of Kosovo victims were even found all over Serbia hidden and burned in different factories.
Since your nick says that only the truth will set you free, then therefore learn to accept the truth as it is, do not engulf yourself with sick Milosevic type propaganda but open yourself to the other information aswell. I as a Montenegrin should historically protect Serbia and i am protecting it by trying to tell you Serbs to accept the truth and move on. Unfortunately you have still not accepted and are still suffering from sick propaganda and you are still living in the world of mythology.
We are in the 21st century, so please move on.

Agon

pre 11 godina

B92 Want to know a new article for tomorrows newspaper of yours just replace the words Serbs to Albanians, farmers to Civilians and add 3 zeros to the number 14 :)

Willi Pfaff

pre 11 godina

I saw the spelling of these places and right away knew this was Willi Plaff's attempt at trolling. Nice try.
(???, 23 July 2012 16:14)

How ridicules, i show my face compared to you .... honesty is something u first have to learn ....

dreamin' on

pre 11 godina

(Un-biased Serb (ALL DESERVE BETTER)
Let's make love right now... you know what they say about great enemies, when (and if) they fall in love they also make fantastic lovers!

Wally

pre 11 godina

Willy- i am sorry, but I will not allow you to go on without a response. Serbia has paid heavily from any crimes it may have committed, many of the more infamous ones of doubtful authenticity. Bombed, embargoed, demonised like no other peoples since the Jews before WW2. It is Croatia, Kosovo Albanians and Bosnian Muslims who need to face up to their past and their role in the bloody breakup. On the one hand you say all should accept their guilt, then on the other you insist on only Serbia. We have paid our dues. You are still trying to take Kosovo from us on the false assumption that some crime was committed there which after 12 years of investigation clearly did not happen. Horseshoe was a lie and proven so, as was any genocide in Kosovo or Bosnia for that matter. On the contrary, looking at the cold facts, it is the Serbs who have had genocide committed against them. Look at yourself in the mirror, please, before telling us to suffer even more for things that we have already suffered enough for.

ecoman

pre 11 godina

Un-biased Serb, and Willi, two Albanians in sheep's clothing, crack me up. You talk of reconciliation, but cannot help yourselves in pointing the finger at Serbs, as the guilty party. How about Albanians stop murdering Serbs, Willi, now in 2012? I think that would be a giant step towards reconciliation in the region. BTW, I don't even want to be friends with jerks like the two of you.

SCP UK

pre 11 godina

@Un-biased Serb

I know you want to come on here and appear to be the peacemaker who apparently isnt on anyone's side, well you if you indeed are a Serb make the situation worse. You come on here and talk about all sides admitting their guilt, the Serbs have spent years answering to crimes (most of which are false) and suffered major villification throught the media. Meanwhile the Croats, Bosnian Muslims and Albanians never admit to any crimes, or any wrong doing what so ever. The Croats have never apologised or recognized their WWII Ustasa and Jasenovac crimes or Operation Storm in 1995. The Muslims in Bosnia think they are the as innocent as anything, just look at how Naser Oric is now free despite all his crimes, again no admittance. The Albanians well they continue to commit crimes to this day, yet no apologies or acknowledgment of all their wrongdoings. Yet you have the foolishness to come here and put Serbs on an equal level with them. Attitudes like yours do nothing for reconciliation (if it is at all possible), rather continue the blame of the Serbs but while trying to uphold the false image of impartiality. Why dont you focus on those who have admitted to no crimes what so ever, and if you are a Serb then cut your own people some slack after all of their villification over the recent years. Why not focus on the Croats, Bosnian Muslims or Albanians in their admittance? I dont want any reconciliation until their admit their guilt.

PEN

pre 11 godina

Extremists from Veliki Alas desecrated their graves and placed mines in the cemetery. To murder innocent farmers going about their business then do this requires a very disturbed mindset indeed. The 'people' you're dealing with here are worse than animals. And they still probably reside in the locality. There is absolutely no will by the international's to apprehend these criminals. Imagine if these were Israeli farmers. The perpetrators would have been ruthlessly hunted down and liquidated years ago.

OnlyTheTruthWillSetYouFree

pre 11 godina

Un-biased Serb, the Racak massacre was investigated by 2 independent Forensic teams and 1 EU team. Both independent teams have concluded that the scene was setup and bodies tested positive for having gun backfire residue (indicating they were combatants), and that their bodies were mutilated after death, clothing changed, and that the bodies were put at the location of massacre site AFTER death. ALL signs point to a staged scene. But who cares, the powers that be got what they wanted. PRETEXT for military intervention. The cold blooded murder of these Serbs happened WHEN THERE WAS NO WAR! Do you comprehend that? No pretext, no setup, no "fishy" details. You can't compare to any of these previously mentioned. I can't believe you would somehow try to compare these innocent civilian deaths during "peacetime" to those of military/civilian deaths during war. Even IF you wanted to compare Serb/Bosnian/Croat/Albanian deaths between each other during the wars of the in the 1900's Serb deaths are in the HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS more... yet unlike we Serbs have done, those responsible never faced their crimes, you didn't hand over your presidents, generals, soldiers, responsible for crimes and you didn't apologize. That's the difference between us, that's why you all hate us. We're better people you, you're better LIARS. You sided with the West for a few crumbs and in the end will be on the losing side as always. Have a nice life! and goodluck.... you're gonna need it!

justhetruth

pre 11 godina

a justice!? ha...that is a nice one and yes i'm for the justice too first get all the terrorist who start the wars in ex yugo and find the unfounded body's where probably most accurate info you can find inside the serbia and when you find them in serbia freely you can go and catch others next door and thats you call a JUSTICE and i dont see a point looking for some one when you are thousand time more guilty and still i do support anyone no matter nationality who wants to find the truth about there innocent love ones and always they say first you got to feel sorry for someone so others can feel sorry too for you....good luck

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Same old pattern by the usual Albanians and partners in crime. When non-Serbs are killed, it is the Serb's fault. When Serbs are killed, it is still our fault. The finger pointing hasn't stopped and there will be no justice while the neo-NAZIs rule the world.

MikeC

pre 11 godina

"This is really sad, 14 Serbs to be killed, all because of our government."

Un-biased Serb

Thoughtless comments like that are an insult to these victims. However, I know your way of thinking. It's actually the albanian way of thinking. These serbs were killed because of Milosevics politics. All those serbs killed by albanians during WW2 were killed because of Milosevics politics. All those serbs still being murdered today are victims because of Milosevics politics. All those serbs that will be killed by albanians in times to come will be killed because of Milosevics politics. Looks like the war will never end for the albanians. Now perhaps its clear to albanians why Kosovo will be partitioned.

exKFOR

pre 11 godina

"Reflection on the past without finger pointing and reducules nationalistic patriotic thinking on all sides is the only way to go.."Willi "the leftist" Plaff,

for the 1st time I fully agree with you - Serbs in KiM do not demand anything nationalistic but only fight in their home Albanian_Muslim fascism and genocidal superiority complex towards other people - why not to start with them - Albanian jihadist in Serbian province Kosmet must go back to Turkey, motherland Albania or obey the laws of the land (Serbia) where they live in - and not to push for their nazism and jihad.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

I saw the spelling of these pI saw the spelling of these places and right away knew this was Willi Plaff's attempt at trolling. Nice try.
(???, 23 July 2012 16:14)
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LOL! Someone posted under my name, which I noticed two weeks ago. Had a very similar style to the first poster and I noticed Willi responding in the same way. Maybe he is having conversations with himself?

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

And there won't be any justice for these or any Serbs killed in the most law abiding multiethnic democratic state which is overwhelmingly inhabited by one of Europe's oldest and most peace loving peoples. I wonder if Willi gets pissed at the thought of graves being desecrated and the cemetery mined. Or does he just get angry at what Serbs do?

MikeC

pre 11 godina

" I as a Montenegrin should historically protect Serbia and i am protecting it..."

montenegrin

Yes, and I as a sioux indian should historically protect Montenegro...bla bla bla. Listen dude, you are only fooling yourself. You are 110% albanians. You know how I know? Your exageration of albanian victims during the war. 14000!!! You sure it wasn't 140.000? Nobody is denying albanian victims. However, THIS ARTICLE IS ABOUT MURDERED SERBS. Get that through your ignorant head! Respect that fact or don't bother commenting at all.

"More than 11,000 deaths have been reported to the ICTY - but only a fifth of these have been confirmed"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/517168.stm

You see, you can come up with any number you like. However, you need to prove it. Besides isn't that what you albanians say to serbs as soon as there is a crime aimed against serbs: show proof that albanians were behind it.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

LOL! Someone posted under my name, which I noticed two weeks ago. Had a very similar style to the first poster and I noticed Willi responding in the same way. Maybe he is having conversations with himself?
(Zoran, 23 July 2012 16:53)
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Yo all know how many times someone posted under my name too. What is with these Albanians? Can't they debate with facts and reason so they have to pretend to be someone else in order to have a hope of discrediting the original person?
RIP all these victims of radical Islam.
As far as you Albanians are concerned, if you want to commemorate your victims or discuss them then you are free to go on an Albanian website and inflate all the numbers you want and get all the sympathy you need. You can be assured no Serb is going to pollute over there, but don't come on a Serbian website where we are discussing SERBIAN victims and trying to remember them and try to turn it all around.

???

pre 11 godina

Though these victims are just as innocent as those in Vokuvar, Srebreniza, and Racak.
(Un-biased Serb (ALL DESERVE BETTER), 23 July 2012 11:12)

I saw the spelling of these places and right away knew this was Willi Plaff's attempt at trolling. Nice try.

Momcilo

pre 11 godina

@montenegrin
You must be completely dillusional. If you are a MOntenegrin today, what were you 5 years ago? You are prob a Muslim that now calls himself a Montenegrin. Anyhow.. if you are a Serb, i would be ashamed to call myself one on your behalf.
Wrong you are, if you follow the timeline, Serbs have been fighting for Christianity, and freedom from the Turks, and dying far before the Kosovo conflict. And im not going to listen to your false rhetoric..i think we've seen enough of that. Control the media, control the war. Grow up. No one's going to hand over our Southern Province . Means much more than you obviously understand.

amazing

pre 11 godina

You see, you can come up with any number you like. However, you need to prove it.
(MikeC, 23 July 2012 21:08)
Yes you can, just like you use an article printed in Nov 1999 when the campaign to find missing persons was first launched as stated in the article only 1/3 of the reported grave sites has been investigated. Your own HLC in Belgrade puts the number at more than 13,500 which would be conservative number coming from Belgrade.

to amazing uck terrorist

pre 11 godina

See Georg Robinson art 391. second para, WEDNESDAY 24 MARCH 1999 at House of Commons ---- THE TURTH WAS ALREADY UNDENIABLE BACK THEN, SO NEED FOR BLEETING!
"Until Racak earlier this year KLA were responsible for more deaths in Kosovo than the Yugoslav authorities had been" http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199899/cmselect/cmdfence/39/9032403.htm



- that means 90% of the killed and missing Kosmet Albanians!!!!!