New cabinet expected to be sworn in on July 24

I'd much prefer this type of government than one with the DS in it. After what Tadic did over the weekend, he should never again be in any Serbian government. Publicly shaking hands with a terrorist, murderer and mafia boss is inexcusable, however, justifying it as a friendly gesture hopefully amounts to political suicide.

Meanwhile the government elect is wobbling due to PUPS being left out in the cold - never a good idea with pensioners.

In other words Father Krkobabic and son Krkobabic who hoped to control some important ministries and BIA, have lost out due to SNS gaining some courage and demanding 'more for their money' from SPS. Dacic obliged by handing over PUPS' bounty.

Zoran tell that to the British queen who shook the hand of IRA commander McGuinness just a week or so ago, or to the many world leaders who have shaken hands with Bush (who Nenad Popovic, Kostunica's right hand man shook hands with). Exactly the same goes with Sloba and Arkan and Legija.

Fine rhetoric of course to not want to shake hands with murderers, but not only do many politicians do that, but they are also murderers themselves. And of course politicians also employ murderers, terrorists and mafia men, but just as long as we don't see them shaking hands everything is just grand.

JS Thaci was a former KLA leader and the Kumanovo agreement was signed by Serbia, I won't bother with dates or making pointless sentences when a word will do.

Oh yes and I'm laughing at your ridiculous statement that the IRA didn't try to drive out protestants in 'Catholic' areas of Northern Ireland and vice versa. Why do you think there were protestant and catholic areas in Northern Ireland, or did you believe that was organic? Did you think that catholic women who were beaten for going out with protestant men by the local mafia IRA just fell down the stairs?

Of course if you want to provide amnesty to murderers and terrorists thats up to you. If it was up to me I would prosecute all those suspected of murder.

Politicians on the other hand have a different calculation. However, its clear to me now - you support the rehabilitation of a cold blooded murderer who has bombed, killed hundreds innocent civilians through organisation and with his own hands in a reign of terror spanning decades. On the other hand a Serbian political leader who holds no national office in your mind and who voters will account for at the ballot box is the man you hate, not the butcher.

Zoran Tadic is a low life as you call it for different reasons other than a handshake.

It is Tadic's record that shows he failed in many respects, to examine that may be less 'sexy' than to have a go at him for shaking hands with a killer / mafioso. I think that his doing that will be judged by both his party and then the general public. Doing that in office would be quite a different matter.

Oh dear Zoran, again with the hypocricy, you can't even see it can you? I don't like answering difficult questions? When somebody asks me I explain in full what I mean - I don't make ridiculous claims that Serbia is under occupation and wriggle like hell when you are asked to explain this claim.

No, I'm not interested in your current location, your full name, your current job and frankly this fascination you have with me is a little creepy and certainly not asked for on my part. Save yourself time and 'great lengths' of effort and spend more energy on your own life and family.

'shaking hands with someone who most definitely is responsible for murders and terrorism'

Like Martin McGuinness? As I said Zoran hypocrisy on your part. Why is it ok for Kostunica to shake hands with George Bush, someone who I'm sure you yourself has said is a war criminal and responsible many thousands of murders?

As I said this will be judged either by DS or by Serbian voters at a future election.

This modified comment says that we all know that Hashim Thaci was a Leader of the Terrorist KLA, and there are People claiming that the KLA no longer exists.

The Kumanovo agreement was signed by Serbia, not willingly like the IRAsigned the Peace Agreement, but under Duress which is Illegal Under any Law, and I know that some People will not bother with the Facts.

I had nothing to do with the Northern Ireland Peace Process, I did not provide amnesty to the British Government who are murderers and terrorists; neither did I provide amnesty to the IRA, but it was their Business and their Agreement.

I have been accused of supporting the rehabilitation of terrorists, but I will just say that it was never my Business, and the fact that the IRA and Britain have Negotiated a Peace Agreement, then that is good for them.

I hate what Boris Tadic stood for and stands for, and we have to remember that not all Serbs have the ability or the training to Adore and Admire those who Disobey the Constituion of Serbia, and who are Disloyal to the People of Serbia.

Zoran if it makes you happy continue cyber stalking me, I don't care either way. Its just a pity you haven't got better things to do with your time. Get a life Zoran, for your own sake.

I hide behind paranoia? Look it up in the dictionary Zoran, you will find it next to the word Occupation, although I know in your dictionary that word will be left blank!

If you think what I write is wrong then debate it. I am not evasive like you and will explain my position.

No, the real problem is you keep losing the argument and thus your unnatural interest in me personally.

Right so you are happy that Kostunica shook the hand of Bush, who was Thaci's boss, who funded Kosovo, who conducted anti Serbian policies in Kosovo, not to speak of the tens of thousands of people Bush's hands were bloodied with? Well thats ok then!

For the record you are making things up here, I didn't defend Tadic's actions. What I said was that the Serbian people will get a chance to judge him at the ballot box. To me actions and policy are much more important barometer to judge a politician than a handshake. I get why the gutter press focuses on this type of issue though, there are lots of people who are attracted to it.

Zoran 'Why would I want to "cyber-stalk" you? Do you really think that highly of yourself?'

No, but you constantly talk about me, as you did in your last post. You speculate about my identity, my career and my location on numerous occasions, hell you even admitted going out to vote, because I did! Anybody can see that here so don't try to act as if its normal.
It is creepy.

People come here to debate talking points, not to read about your failed efforts to ask me personal questions about my life.

And you know full well that I'm not the only one who has noticed that your 'theory' on the occupation - that there is one, that you don't know when it begun, you won't say (or don't know) who is occupying or which other countries are occupied, remains not only unexplained by you, but is complete nonsense.

I'm sorry its not my 'spin' that makes you look silly, you do a grand job of that all on your own :)

Apologies if the home truths upset you Zoran. I can tell by your repeating personal attacks upon me, that I know you don't care about. Rather like a child you are just striking back. And really, even you can do better than saying I was crying. Thats weak :)

If you just stuck to the debate instead of talking about me all the time I'm sure you will feel better.

Zoran:

Tadic only did as instructed. I sometimes wonder at what price does someone betray his people and country. He should be hung in the public square and made as an example to any future sellout.

I would say to the Government, that if they decide to pursue European Union Integration, while preserving State Interests in Kosovo, then they should put Kosovo before the European Union.

We do not know what will become of the EU, but just remember that the European Union can perform Genocide on you, even though you are a Member of the EU.

There could be a Danger that if all of the Chapters are completed before the next Election, then the DS and the LDP might gain a majority at the next Election and form a Coalition Government, in order to trade Kosovo for the EU.

The wise thing to do is to complete only half the Chapters, so that you are re-elected to complete the second half.

Totally Ignore what America and the EU say, and wait Patiently, and review the Belgrade and Pristina Agreement, and change anything that the Serbs in the North are not comfortable with, because it is they, and not you who have to suffer the Consequences.

We have seen the Kosovo Albanians attend the Conference in Croatia, and if Tadic says that they were Represented as Kosovo* at that Conference, then I will need to see Film of it before I could believe Tadic, or others who were there.

If Serbia needs Money, then they should Default on all their Debts, sell 1,001 square kilometres of land to Russia for 15 Billion Euros, or for the equivalent of Oil, and this is International Trade among Countries, which is Illegal to Hinder, because it is Legal.

Martin McGuinness is a FORMER IRA leader, and there has been a settlement between Britain and the IRA, and it is called the Good Friday Agreement that came into force in December of 1999.

The Queen shook hands with Martin McGuinness for the first time 12 years after the Peace Agreement came into force, and the Queen shook hands with Martin McGuinness on June 28 2012, which is Vidovdan.

If we Compare this with what Tadic did, then there is no Comparison, because the Albanians are trying to steal Serbian Land, and they have not made any Peace Agreement.

This is not even after a Peace Agreement is in force, and anyone who knows Albanians, knows that they will not Willing stop until they have driven all Non Albanians out of Kosovo.

If the Kosovo Albanians end up with anything less than an Independent Mono Ethnic Kosovo, then they will go on wanting Independence.

The Albanians will continue with their Malicious Lies, their Gross Injustices, but the IRA of Northern Ireland have chosen the Peace process, even though they did not resort to Malicious Lies, and they have never tried to drive away the Non Irish People.

Therefore, any attempt to compare the two situations is completely discredited for the reasons I have stated.

Zoran tell that to the British queen who shook the hand of IRA commander McGuinness just a week or so ago...
(bganon, 9 July 2012 17:04)
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Not very surprising really, you vote for Tadic so you will justify whatever he does even if that means shaking hands with the lowest of the low-lives. Someone accused of organ harvesting and terrorism, a leader who tolerates and plans the murder of Serbs, grave desecration and the destruction of property. Someone who invited NATO to bomb Serbia resulting in billions of damage, pollution and the death of several thousand Serbs and non-Serbs.

Tadic has also proven to be a low-life and you have exposed yourself once again. It is no wonder you don't like answering certain questions and go to great lengths in remaining anonymouse.

It's a shame Albanians can't find anyone with a relatively clean reputation but that's not surprising in a mafia state. Imagine Arkan as PM and Legija as chief of police and still expecting regional leaders to co-operate with us. My God, that's what is being expected of Serbia when it comes to K*-Albanians.

Comparing that to the recent event of the Queen shaking hands with McGuinness is just cheap spin.

Of course if you want to provide amnesty to murderers and terrorists thats up to you. If it was up to me I would prosecute all those suspected of murder.
(bganon, 9 July 2012 22:10)
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But then you have no problem whatsoever with Tadic shaking hands with someone who most definitely is responsible for murders and terrorism. I suppose you can exempt those people you vote for as they represent a young, modern and progressive Serbia.

No, I'm not interested in your current location, your full name, your current job and frankly this fascination you have with me is a little creepy and certainly not asked for on my part. Save yourself time and 'great lengths' of effort and spend more energy on your own life and family.
(bganon, 10 July 2012 01:31)
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LOL!! You forgot to mention I want photos also.

You certainly are the spin master of B92 who hides behind anonymity and paranoia but claims to be a journalist and analyst. Now that is unusual because I have not seen or read a journalist who doesn't use a name. So in that case I don't believe you while the reason you are so defensive is due to the risk of being exposed. Bloggers are not journalists although your may disagree.

So just to be clear, you don't need to reveal your name or anything that may expose yourself. I was only requesting some clarification because I think a lot of what you write is full of it.

Like Martin McGuinness? As I said Zoran hypocrisy on your part. Why is it ok for Kostunica to shake hands with George Bush, someone who I'm sure you yourself has said is a war criminal and responsible many thousands of murders?
(bganon, 10 July 2012 11:45)
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Whether Kostunica did or didn't, I don't know but it doesn't mean I agree with everything someone does. But if he indeed did shake his hand, I'm fairly sure Bush wasn't accused of any vile crimes against Serbs at the time.

On the other hand, Thaci is accused of the most vile crimes against Serbs even after war had ended and even in today's KiM but your man is there to shake is hand and you are here to defend his actions. It is fairly clear what you represent.

Zoran if it makes you happy continue cyber stalking me, I don't care either way. Its just a pity you haven't got better things to do with your time. Get a life Zoran, for your own sake...
(bganon, 10 July 2012 15:16)
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You really are petty with your emotional outbursts. Why would I want to "cyber-stalk" you? Do you really think that highly of yourself?

Someone posted a link of your B92 blog here http://blog.b92.net/arhiva/blog/441.html , where you first and foremost described yourself as a journalist and I have to say, apart from a few blogs, there is no evidence of it. So you are either making up stories or you are a failed journalist.

So I had a skim of your blog. If you think that is stalking then perhaps you should become a spin doctor - something you are really good at.

Finally, I would have thought a journalist would welcome "cyber-stalkers" or lets say, people searching for their articles. In your case though, my search quickly came to nothing, so it seems your journalistic career was very short lived (or just a figment of your imagination).

OK, so your fairytale about the DS and Tadic is coming to an end. Is that why you are upset? If you missed my response to you regarding the occupation, then that is your problem. If you didn't like my response, then so be it. However, making up stories that I didn't respond comes back to your spinning skills. Full marks to you.

I'm not speculating, I'm in fact quoting from your blog. However, I did ask for some clarification and you call that cyber-stalking? So you gave me an excuse to vote and you think that is creepy?

Actually, what is creepy is someone who gets annoyed at "recommendation" rigging to the point that you almost cry, someone who takes note of the time people post and to obsessively speculate who is using multiple aliases.

If you think people come here to debate talking points then why focus on petty matters instead of the argument being discussed? I answered my point on occupation and you asked some silly and irrelevant questions. If you are so interested then go and find out yourself.

Next...

I'd much prefer this type of government than one with the DS in it. After what Tadic did over the weekend, he should never again be in any Serbian government. Publicly shaking hands with a terrorist, murderer and mafia boss is inexcusable, however, justifying it as a friendly gesture hopefully amounts to political suicide.

Zoran:

Tadic only did as instructed. I sometimes wonder at what price does someone betray his people and country. He should be hung in the public square and made as an example to any future sellout.

Meanwhile the government elect is wobbling due to PUPS being left out in the cold - never a good idea with pensioners.

In other words Father Krkobabic and son Krkobabic who hoped to control some important ministries and BIA, have lost out due to SNS gaining some courage and demanding 'more for their money' from SPS. Dacic obliged by handing over PUPS' bounty.

Zoran tell that to the British queen who shook the hand of IRA commander McGuinness just a week or so ago, or to the many world leaders who have shaken hands with Bush (who Nenad Popovic, Kostunica's right hand man shook hands with). Exactly the same goes with Sloba and Arkan and Legija.

Fine rhetoric of course to not want to shake hands with murderers, but not only do many politicians do that, but they are also murderers themselves. And of course politicians also employ murderers, terrorists and mafia men, but just as long as we don't see them shaking hands everything is just grand.

I would say to the Government, that if they decide to pursue European Union Integration, while preserving State Interests in Kosovo, then they should put Kosovo before the European Union.

We do not know what will become of the EU, but just remember that the European Union can perform Genocide on you, even though you are a Member of the EU.

There could be a Danger that if all of the Chapters are completed before the next Election, then the DS and the LDP might gain a majority at the next Election and form a Coalition Government, in order to trade Kosovo for the EU.

The wise thing to do is to complete only half the Chapters, so that you are re-elected to complete the second half.

Totally Ignore what America and the EU say, and wait Patiently, and review the Belgrade and Pristina Agreement, and change anything that the Serbs in the North are not comfortable with, because it is they, and not you who have to suffer the Consequences.

We have seen the Kosovo Albanians attend the Conference in Croatia, and if Tadic says that they were Represented as Kosovo* at that Conference, then I will need to see Film of it before I could believe Tadic, or others who were there.

If Serbia needs Money, then they should Default on all their Debts, sell 1,001 square kilometres of land to Russia for 15 Billion Euros, or for the equivalent of Oil, and this is International Trade among Countries, which is Illegal to Hinder, because it is Legal.

Martin McGuinness is a FORMER IRA leader, and there has been a settlement between Britain and the IRA, and it is called the Good Friday Agreement that came into force in December of 1999.

The Queen shook hands with Martin McGuinness for the first time 12 years after the Peace Agreement came into force, and the Queen shook hands with Martin McGuinness on June 28 2012, which is Vidovdan.

If we Compare this with what Tadic did, then there is no Comparison, because the Albanians are trying to steal Serbian Land, and they have not made any Peace Agreement.

This is not even after a Peace Agreement is in force, and anyone who knows Albanians, knows that they will not Willing stop until they have driven all Non Albanians out of Kosovo.

If the Kosovo Albanians end up with anything less than an Independent Mono Ethnic Kosovo, then they will go on wanting Independence.

The Albanians will continue with their Malicious Lies, their Gross Injustices, but the IRA of Northern Ireland have chosen the Peace process, even though they did not resort to Malicious Lies, and they have never tried to drive away the Non Irish People.

Therefore, any attempt to compare the two situations is completely discredited for the reasons I have stated.

Zoran tell that to the British queen who shook the hand of IRA commander McGuinness just a week or so ago...
(bganon, 9 July 2012 17:04)
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Not very surprising really, you vote for Tadic so you will justify whatever he does even if that means shaking hands with the lowest of the low-lives. Someone accused of organ harvesting and terrorism, a leader who tolerates and plans the murder of Serbs, grave desecration and the destruction of property. Someone who invited NATO to bomb Serbia resulting in billions of damage, pollution and the death of several thousand Serbs and non-Serbs.

Tadic has also proven to be a low-life and you have exposed yourself once again. It is no wonder you don't like answering certain questions and go to great lengths in remaining anonymouse.

It's a shame Albanians can't find anyone with a relatively clean reputation but that's not surprising in a mafia state. Imagine Arkan as PM and Legija as chief of police and still expecting regional leaders to co-operate with us. My God, that's what is being expected of Serbia when it comes to K*-Albanians.

Comparing that to the recent event of the Queen shaking hands with McGuinness is just cheap spin.

Of course if you want to provide amnesty to murderers and terrorists thats up to you. If it was up to me I would prosecute all those suspected of murder.
(bganon, 9 July 2012 22:10)
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But then you have no problem whatsoever with Tadic shaking hands with someone who most definitely is responsible for murders and terrorism. I suppose you can exempt those people you vote for as they represent a young, modern and progressive Serbia.

No, I'm not interested in your current location, your full name, your current job and frankly this fascination you have with me is a little creepy and certainly not asked for on my part. Save yourself time and 'great lengths' of effort and spend more energy on your own life and family.
(bganon, 10 July 2012 01:31)
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LOL!! You forgot to mention I want photos also.

You certainly are the spin master of B92 who hides behind anonymity and paranoia but claims to be a journalist and analyst. Now that is unusual because I have not seen or read a journalist who doesn't use a name. So in that case I don't believe you while the reason you are so defensive is due to the risk of being exposed. Bloggers are not journalists although your may disagree.

So just to be clear, you don't need to reveal your name or anything that may expose yourself. I was only requesting some clarification because I think a lot of what you write is full of it.

Like Martin McGuinness? As I said Zoran hypocrisy on your part. Why is it ok for Kostunica to shake hands with George Bush, someone who I'm sure you yourself has said is a war criminal and responsible many thousands of murders?
(bganon, 10 July 2012 11:45)
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Whether Kostunica did or didn't, I don't know but it doesn't mean I agree with everything someone does. But if he indeed did shake his hand, I'm fairly sure Bush wasn't accused of any vile crimes against Serbs at the time.

On the other hand, Thaci is accused of the most vile crimes against Serbs even after war had ended and even in today's KiM but your man is there to shake is hand and you are here to defend his actions. It is fairly clear what you represent.

This modified comment says that we all know that Hashim Thaci was a Leader of the Terrorist KLA, and there are People claiming that the KLA no longer exists.

The Kumanovo agreement was signed by Serbia, not willingly like the IRAsigned the Peace Agreement, but under Duress which is Illegal Under any Law, and I know that some People will not bother with the Facts.

I had nothing to do with the Northern Ireland Peace Process, I did not provide amnesty to the British Government who are murderers and terrorists; neither did I provide amnesty to the IRA, but it was their Business and their Agreement.

I have been accused of supporting the rehabilitation of terrorists, but I will just say that it was never my Business, and the fact that the IRA and Britain have Negotiated a Peace Agreement, then that is good for them.

I hate what Boris Tadic stood for and stands for, and we have to remember that not all Serbs have the ability or the training to Adore and Admire those who Disobey the Constituion of Serbia, and who are Disloyal to the People of Serbia.

I'm not speculating, I'm in fact quoting from your blog. However, I did ask for some clarification and you call that cyber-stalking? So you gave me an excuse to vote and you think that is creepy?

Actually, what is creepy is someone who gets annoyed at "recommendation" rigging to the point that you almost cry, someone who takes note of the time people post and to obsessively speculate who is using multiple aliases.

If you think people come here to debate talking points then why focus on petty matters instead of the argument being discussed? I answered my point on occupation and you asked some silly and irrelevant questions. If you are so interested then go and find out yourself.

Next...

JS Thaci was a former KLA leader and the Kumanovo agreement was signed by Serbia, I won't bother with dates or making pointless sentences when a word will do.

Oh yes and I'm laughing at your ridiculous statement that the IRA didn't try to drive out protestants in 'Catholic' areas of Northern Ireland and vice versa. Why do you think there were protestant and catholic areas in Northern Ireland, or did you believe that was organic? Did you think that catholic women who were beaten for going out with protestant men by the local mafia IRA just fell down the stairs?

Of course if you want to provide amnesty to murderers and terrorists thats up to you. If it was up to me I would prosecute all those suspected of murder.

Politicians on the other hand have a different calculation. However, its clear to me now - you support the rehabilitation of a cold blooded murderer who has bombed, killed hundreds innocent civilians through organisation and with his own hands in a reign of terror spanning decades. On the other hand a Serbian political leader who holds no national office in your mind and who voters will account for at the ballot box is the man you hate, not the butcher.

Zoran Tadic is a low life as you call it for different reasons other than a handshake.

It is Tadic's record that shows he failed in many respects, to examine that may be less 'sexy' than to have a go at him for shaking hands with a killer / mafioso. I think that his doing that will be judged by both his party and then the general public. Doing that in office would be quite a different matter.

Oh dear Zoran, again with the hypocricy, you can't even see it can you? I don't like answering difficult questions? When somebody asks me I explain in full what I mean - I don't make ridiculous claims that Serbia is under occupation and wriggle like hell when you are asked to explain this claim.

No, I'm not interested in your current location, your full name, your current job and frankly this fascination you have with me is a little creepy and certainly not asked for on my part. Save yourself time and 'great lengths' of effort and spend more energy on your own life and family.

'shaking hands with someone who most definitely is responsible for murders and terrorism'

Like Martin McGuinness? As I said Zoran hypocrisy on your part. Why is it ok for Kostunica to shake hands with George Bush, someone who I'm sure you yourself has said is a war criminal and responsible many thousands of murders?

As I said this will be judged either by DS or by Serbian voters at a future election.

Zoran if it makes you happy continue cyber stalking me, I don't care either way. Its just a pity you haven't got better things to do with your time. Get a life Zoran, for your own sake.

I hide behind paranoia? Look it up in the dictionary Zoran, you will find it next to the word Occupation, although I know in your dictionary that word will be left blank!

If you think what I write is wrong then debate it. I am not evasive like you and will explain my position.

No, the real problem is you keep losing the argument and thus your unnatural interest in me personally.

Right so you are happy that Kostunica shook the hand of Bush, who was Thaci's boss, who funded Kosovo, who conducted anti Serbian policies in Kosovo, not to speak of the tens of thousands of people Bush's hands were bloodied with? Well thats ok then!

For the record you are making things up here, I didn't defend Tadic's actions. What I said was that the Serbian people will get a chance to judge him at the ballot box. To me actions and policy are much more important barometer to judge a politician than a handshake. I get why the gutter press focuses on this type of issue though, there are lots of people who are attracted to it.

Zoran if it makes you happy continue cyber stalking me, I don't care either way. Its just a pity you haven't got better things to do with your time. Get a life Zoran, for your own sake...
(bganon, 10 July 2012 15:16)
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You really are petty with your emotional outbursts. Why would I want to "cyber-stalk" you? Do you really think that highly of yourself?

Someone posted a link of your B92 blog here http://blog.b92.net/arhiva/blog/441.html , where you first and foremost described yourself as a journalist and I have to say, apart from a few blogs, there is no evidence of it. So you are either making up stories or you are a failed journalist.

So I had a skim of your blog. If you think that is stalking then perhaps you should become a spin doctor - something you are really good at.

Finally, I would have thought a journalist would welcome "cyber-stalkers" or lets say, people searching for their articles. In your case though, my search quickly came to nothing, so it seems your journalistic career was very short lived (or just a figment of your imagination).

OK, so your fairytale about the DS and Tadic is coming to an end. Is that why you are upset? If you missed my response to you regarding the occupation, then that is your problem. If you didn't like my response, then so be it. However, making up stories that I didn't respond comes back to your spinning skills. Full marks to you.

Zoran 'Why would I want to "cyber-stalk" you? Do you really think that highly of yourself?'

No, but you constantly talk about me, as you did in your last post. You speculate about my identity, my career and my location on numerous occasions, hell you even admitted going out to vote, because I did! Anybody can see that here so don't try to act as if its normal.
It is creepy.

People come here to debate talking points, not to read about your failed efforts to ask me personal questions about my life.

And you know full well that I'm not the only one who has noticed that your 'theory' on the occupation - that there is one, that you don't know when it begun, you won't say (or don't know) who is occupying or which other countries are occupied, remains not only unexplained by you, but is complete nonsense.

I'm sorry its not my 'spin' that makes you look silly, you do a grand job of that all on your own :)

Apologies if the home truths upset you Zoran. I can tell by your repeating personal attacks upon me, that I know you don't care about. Rather like a child you are just striking back. And really, even you can do better than saying I was crying. Thats weak :)

If you just stuck to the debate instead of talking about me all the time I'm sure you will feel better.