Serbs harassed by Kosovo police over plates

"Kosovo police had no legal grounds to seize from Serbs"
Well, the so called state of Kosova* has no legal grounds to exist!

Lets not even mention the legal issues of having a prime minister (Thaci) who is a former terrorist, organ trafficker and gangster.

Harassing people over licence plates-cushy job. It beats chasing, murderers, thieves, drug traffickers, priest beaters and kids throwing stones I guess.

Then put kosovo plates on the car, who the hell cares... this story about kosovo day after day is SO BORING and getting old

Bullshit 101. Serbs lied about that albanians shoved up a broken beer bottle up in a old serb bu** in the 1980's. Slobodan belived at this and started the war years later.

Dardan, your sarcasm does not justify the manner in which KPS behave. The KPS do not have the right to seize people's property, and behave like hooligans. If Albanians want to be a part of the civilized world, they must learn to behave in that matter. Is that even possible?

Instead of seizing drugs, KPS is busy to seize license plates. Priorities

Ecoman, I remember how Serb policeman behaved in the 90's, let's just say they weren't pleasent

Humiliating way. What does that mean. They went through his documentation whilst singing in Albanian?

Two years ago when I was going home by car through Serbia I had to wait more than one hour in the border with Kosovo and I thought sometimes this is normal procedure no complaint there. When it comes to the old number plates ther are not valid enymore in Kosovo, what's the problem? Change them and you guys are hassle free.

@Ecoman,
You Serbs are so delusional it's not even funny anymore!
Because the Kosovo Police is following the law we are not
Ready as a nation to join the civilized world??
Have you forgotten that few years ago
Your police and military were slaughtering innocent woman and children?
Have you forgotten that your police, military and top elite are convicted of
Most inhumane acts during the war in Kosova, Bosnia and Croatia??
As for Serbs not wanting to be under Kosova authority's same goes for
Albanians in southern Serbia, they don't accept Serb Authority but the do
Follow the law! And that is the difference we respect the law and Serbs
Think they are above the law.

When it comes to the old number plates ther are not valid enymore in Kosovo, what's the problem? Change them and you guys are hassle free.
(Mendo, 21 June 2012 12:48)

Why should they change license plates if they don't recognize Prishtina authorities?

@ Aaayyy & Ecoman

Well it's their luck they were born in Kosovo so they have to accept Kosovos authority. They will be treated equal if they accept Kosovos authority and everything will be better for everyone.

But, Mendo. Serbs do not accept Albanian authority. What is the solution? Should the Serbs be forced to accept Albanian rule? Is that democratic?

Bullshit 101. Serbs lied about that albanians shoved up a broken beer bottle up in a old serb bu** in the 1980's. Slobodan belived at this and started the war years later.
(Bridge, 21 June 2012 10:55)

Pristina media lied and spread hate propaganda about Serbs being responsible for some drowned kids which were swimming in a river in 2004. Albanian mob believed it, and only a few days later, they started a pogrom against Serbian property, destroying and looting dozens of churches and monasteries.

Yes com we know, however, ask Serb posters here what they believed happened in 1999 and we'll see who is under some sort of misapprehension

@Ecoman
If they don't recognize Kosova, move back to Serbia where they originally came from. Kosova is independent, your Montenegrin Serbian brothers recognized it, why should you guys. If Serbs can't follow simple laws such as this one, then there is no place for them in Kosova.
@ Ari Gold and others who talk about Kosova drug dealing. 800Kgs have been seized already in 2012 in Serbia, the one who's so just perfect and innocent.
@ any one else who has anything against this law, they can complain to international community, I'm sure you guys are familiar with it. One other thing... Learn from your neighbors that did recognize us. Montenegro, Croatia, Slovenia, and Macedonia.

But, Mendo. Serbs do not accept Albanian authority. What is the solution? Should the Serbs be forced to accept Albanian rule? Is that democratic?
(Ecoman, 21 June 2012 13:24)

Yes, It is very democratic. The majority of population in Kosovo is Albanian and therefore they (Serbs) must accept that. Kosovo Government has been very tolerant in this issue of the plates, by offering the free plates for Serbs only which is a very positive discrimination. The implementation of the law on plates was delayed enough.

'Todorović, who is also a former deputy ombudsman of Kosovo, said that the plates could only be taken away from the driver if certain offenses were involved'

How very very true!
Unfortuneatley, KPS have learnt from relatively poor masters. Internationals were adept at seizing plates, across all ethnicities, usually with the best intention. However, a large number of Internationals failed to learn the Law in operation at the time, as a consequence KPS (not all) were very quick to folow the example of the 'experienced Police Officers'.
After 12 years and this practice is still being carried out bodes ill of the current KPS management and supervising authorities.

But, Mendo. Serbs do not accept Albanian authority. What is the solution? Should the Serbs be forced to accept Albanian rule? Is that democratic?
(Ecoman, 21 June 2012 13:24)

Yes, It is very democratic. The majority of population in Kosovo is Albanian and therefore they (Serbs) must accept that. Kosovo Government has been very tolerant in this issue of the plates, by offering the free plates for Serbs only which is a very positive discrimination. The implementation of the law on plates was delayed enough.
(Simpatiku, 21 June 2012 21:47)

But majority of population in Serbia is Serbian and therefore they (Kosovo Albanians, which are citizens of Serbia too) must accept that.

so what i'm reading is that k-albs are happy enough with the he-said-she-said model of progress. by that i mean that they haven't demonstrated that they've progressed beyond what it is that they tried to leave. the k-als are behaving as viel as they said the srbs were in 90s. nothing has been learned? no knowledge wisdom or huminaty gained?
so by suggesting that it was wrong and bad and evil what srbs did to albs in 90, one would assume albs wouldn't repeat the exact same thing the other way. why is it bad when srbs do it, but not when albs do?

But majority of population in Serbia is Serbian and therefore they (Kosovo Albanians, which are citizens of Serbia too) must accept that.
(aaayyy, 21 June 2012 23:12)

According to the will of the majority of Kosovo population, Kosovo is independent and therefore the government is expected to implement this will. Your opinion is irelevant.

.........Because the Kosovo Police is following the law......

(Arber, 21 June 2012 14:30

Can you provide the article under current legislation that provides for seizure of 'licence plates'?

Methinks it is some very tenuous link to a long past practice that is still being abused. I can visualise the backslapping during the weekly meetings :-))
Why upset the local populace when you can garner popular support by harrasing (illegally) the 'old enemy'?
Organ grinder monkey comes to mind........

ps, when did the 'Service' appear to be dropped from the KPS?

"Kosovo police had no legal grounds to seize from Serbs"
Well, the so called state of Kosova* has no legal grounds to exist!

Lets not even mention the legal issues of having a prime minister (Thaci) who is a former terrorist, organ trafficker and gangster.
(Kosova* is illegal, 21 June 2012 11:14)

Very valid points... feel free to make UNMIK and its superior, the UNSC, aware of that :)

Is this some sort of a forum for Albanians to keep crying about how they have been "mistreated" in the past and how everything they want and do is totally normal and due to them...some sort of propaganda constantly justifying keeping minorities in ghettos, unable to provide safety and justice but pretending to not understand why would serbs in the north not want to be part of "THAT THING".

Saying that because it is so repetitive "we've been treated like this...like that and so now we can do this do that ,to Serbs who deserve to live in ghettos now and if they don't like kosov-A (which is Serbia) then they should go home to Serbia (which they already are in Serbia...pffffff

Vladimir, 22 June 2012 12:02)
I would say that it is up to B92 what type of forum this is. If they do not like what Albanians say they have the power to not print or edit comments but then that would tend to make them just another ultranationalist propaganda tool and apparently they wish to retain their Serbian roots but become an internationally respected news agency.
Punch in Google news on any subject and see how many Serbianna sources are listed.

Dardan, your sarcasm does not justify the manner in which KPS behave. The KPS do not have the right to seize people's property, and behave like hooligans.
(Ecoman, 21 June 2012 12:21)

Of course, and KPS did neither… but whoever feels otherwise is free to sue them
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Why should they change license plates if they don't recognize Prishtina authorities?
(aaayyy, 21 June 2012 13:23)

Because it does not matter whether they recognize or not Prishtina authorities; for that matter it does not even matter if Prishtina authorities exist or not. Kosovo is under UNMIK administration and Kosovo residents can only have plates issued by UNMIK or authorities delegated by UNMIK to do so. But if somebody wants to link everything in life (including eating) with recognition of Prishtina authorities, it’s that somebody’s fault if he/she starves :)
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But majority of population in Serbia is Serbian and therefore they (Kosovo Albanians, which are citizens of Serbia too) must accept that.
(aaayyy, 21 June 2012 23:12)

Vary valid point; unfortunately Serbia disagrees; they don’t consider Kosovo Albanians citizens of Serbia as demonstrated by the fact that they are not included in the voter’s list for Serbia’s elections and referendums. You are free though to convince Serbia to consider Kosovo Albanians Serbia’s citizens, starting with the vote for Serbia’s Constitution, and certainly they’ll accept the laws deriving from that Constitution.

Then put kosovo plates on the car, who the hell cares... this story about kosovo day after day is SO BORING and getting old
(jj, 21 June 2012 10:50)
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Then stop looking for news on Kosovo. There is plenty of other stuff to read.

"Ljubinko Todorović, president of Humkos, a human and minority rights organization, said that Kosovo police had no legal grounds to seize from Serbs the new Serbian license plates that had initial letters of Kosovo cities inscribed on them, and were found inside the vehicle."

Of course, police in Serbia has no legal ground to do that, but in Kosovo it's UNMIK that is in charge so only plates issued to Kosovo residents by UNMIK or authorities delegated by UNMIK are valid. Ljubinko need to be reminded that 1244 is still in force and UNMIK in charge in Kosovo, not Albanians, Serbs or somebody else.

"Kosovo police had no legal grounds to seize from Serbs"
Well, the so called state of Kosova* has no legal grounds to exist!

Lets not even mention the legal issues of having a prime minister (Thaci) who is a former terrorist, organ trafficker and gangster.

Bullshit 101. Serbs lied about that albanians shoved up a broken beer bottle up in a old serb bu** in the 1980's. Slobodan belived at this and started the war years later.

Humiliating way. What does that mean. They went through his documentation whilst singing in Albanian?

Then put kosovo plates on the car, who the hell cares... this story about kosovo day after day is SO BORING and getting old

Harassing people over licence plates-cushy job. It beats chasing, murderers, thieves, drug traffickers, priest beaters and kids throwing stones I guess.

Dardan, your sarcasm does not justify the manner in which KPS behave. The KPS do not have the right to seize people's property, and behave like hooligans. If Albanians want to be a part of the civilized world, they must learn to behave in that matter. Is that even possible?

Two years ago when I was going home by car through Serbia I had to wait more than one hour in the border with Kosovo and I thought sometimes this is normal procedure no complaint there. When it comes to the old number plates ther are not valid enymore in Kosovo, what's the problem? Change them and you guys are hassle free.

Instead of seizing drugs, KPS is busy to seize license plates. Priorities

Bullshit 101. Serbs lied about that albanians shoved up a broken beer bottle up in a old serb bu** in the 1980's. Slobodan belived at this and started the war years later.
(Bridge, 21 June 2012 10:55)

Pristina media lied and spread hate propaganda about Serbs being responsible for some drowned kids which were swimming in a river in 2004. Albanian mob believed it, and only a few days later, they started a pogrom against Serbian property, destroying and looting dozens of churches and monasteries.

When it comes to the old number plates ther are not valid enymore in Kosovo, what's the problem? Change them and you guys are hassle free.
(Mendo, 21 June 2012 12:48)

Why should they change license plates if they don't recognize Prishtina authorities?

But, Mendo. Serbs do not accept Albanian authority. What is the solution? Should the Serbs be forced to accept Albanian rule? Is that democratic?

@Ecoman,
You Serbs are so delusional it's not even funny anymore!
Because the Kosovo Police is following the law we are not
Ready as a nation to join the civilized world??
Have you forgotten that few years ago
Your police and military were slaughtering innocent woman and children?
Have you forgotten that your police, military and top elite are convicted of
Most inhumane acts during the war in Kosova, Bosnia and Croatia??
As for Serbs not wanting to be under Kosova authority's same goes for
Albanians in southern Serbia, they don't accept Serb Authority but the do
Follow the law! And that is the difference we respect the law and Serbs
Think they are above the law.

@Ecoman
If they don't recognize Kosova, move back to Serbia where they originally came from. Kosova is independent, your Montenegrin Serbian brothers recognized it, why should you guys. If Serbs can't follow simple laws such as this one, then there is no place for them in Kosova.
@ Ari Gold and others who talk about Kosova drug dealing. 800Kgs have been seized already in 2012 in Serbia, the one who's so just perfect and innocent.
@ any one else who has anything against this law, they can complain to international community, I'm sure you guys are familiar with it. One other thing... Learn from your neighbors that did recognize us. Montenegro, Croatia, Slovenia, and Macedonia.

@ Aaayyy & Ecoman

Well it's their luck they were born in Kosovo so they have to accept Kosovos authority. They will be treated equal if they accept Kosovos authority and everything will be better for everyone.

Ecoman, I remember how Serb policeman behaved in the 90's, let's just say they weren't pleasent

'Todorović, who is also a former deputy ombudsman of Kosovo, said that the plates could only be taken away from the driver if certain offenses were involved'

How very very true!
Unfortuneatley, KPS have learnt from relatively poor masters. Internationals were adept at seizing plates, across all ethnicities, usually with the best intention. However, a large number of Internationals failed to learn the Law in operation at the time, as a consequence KPS (not all) were very quick to folow the example of the 'experienced Police Officers'.
After 12 years and this practice is still being carried out bodes ill of the current KPS management and supervising authorities.

so what i'm reading is that k-albs are happy enough with the he-said-she-said model of progress. by that i mean that they haven't demonstrated that they've progressed beyond what it is that they tried to leave. the k-als are behaving as viel as they said the srbs were in 90s. nothing has been learned? no knowledge wisdom or huminaty gained?
so by suggesting that it was wrong and bad and evil what srbs did to albs in 90, one would assume albs wouldn't repeat the exact same thing the other way. why is it bad when srbs do it, but not when albs do?

.........Because the Kosovo Police is following the law......

(Arber, 21 June 2012 14:30

Can you provide the article under current legislation that provides for seizure of 'licence plates'?

Methinks it is some very tenuous link to a long past practice that is still being abused. I can visualise the backslapping during the weekly meetings :-))
Why upset the local populace when you can garner popular support by harrasing (illegally) the 'old enemy'?
Organ grinder monkey comes to mind........

ps, when did the 'Service' appear to be dropped from the KPS?

Yes com we know, however, ask Serb posters here what they believed happened in 1999 and we'll see who is under some sort of misapprehension

But, Mendo. Serbs do not accept Albanian authority. What is the solution? Should the Serbs be forced to accept Albanian rule? Is that democratic?
(Ecoman, 21 June 2012 13:24)

Yes, It is very democratic. The majority of population in Kosovo is Albanian and therefore they (Serbs) must accept that. Kosovo Government has been very tolerant in this issue of the plates, by offering the free plates for Serbs only which is a very positive discrimination. The implementation of the law on plates was delayed enough.
(Simpatiku, 21 June 2012 21:47)

But majority of population in Serbia is Serbian and therefore they (Kosovo Albanians, which are citizens of Serbia too) must accept that.

But, Mendo. Serbs do not accept Albanian authority. What is the solution? Should the Serbs be forced to accept Albanian rule? Is that democratic?
(Ecoman, 21 June 2012 13:24)

Yes, It is very democratic. The majority of population in Kosovo is Albanian and therefore they (Serbs) must accept that. Kosovo Government has been very tolerant in this issue of the plates, by offering the free plates for Serbs only which is a very positive discrimination. The implementation of the law on plates was delayed enough.

But majority of population in Serbia is Serbian and therefore they (Kosovo Albanians, which are citizens of Serbia too) must accept that.
(aaayyy, 21 June 2012 23:12)

According to the will of the majority of Kosovo population, Kosovo is independent and therefore the government is expected to implement this will. Your opinion is irelevant.

Is this some sort of a forum for Albanians to keep crying about how they have been "mistreated" in the past and how everything they want and do is totally normal and due to them...some sort of propaganda constantly justifying keeping minorities in ghettos, unable to provide safety and justice but pretending to not understand why would serbs in the north not want to be part of "THAT THING".

Saying that because it is so repetitive "we've been treated like this...like that and so now we can do this do that ,to Serbs who deserve to live in ghettos now and if they don't like kosov-A (which is Serbia) then they should go home to Serbia (which they already are in Serbia...pffffff

"Ljubinko Todorović, president of Humkos, a human and minority rights organization, said that Kosovo police had no legal grounds to seize from Serbs the new Serbian license plates that had initial letters of Kosovo cities inscribed on them, and were found inside the vehicle."

Of course, police in Serbia has no legal ground to do that, but in Kosovo it's UNMIK that is in charge so only plates issued to Kosovo residents by UNMIK or authorities delegated by UNMIK are valid. Ljubinko need to be reminded that 1244 is still in force and UNMIK in charge in Kosovo, not Albanians, Serbs or somebody else.

"Kosovo police had no legal grounds to seize from Serbs"
Well, the so called state of Kosova* has no legal grounds to exist!

Lets not even mention the legal issues of having a prime minister (Thaci) who is a former terrorist, organ trafficker and gangster.
(Kosova* is illegal, 21 June 2012 11:14)

Very valid points... feel free to make UNMIK and its superior, the UNSC, aware of that :)

Dardan, your sarcasm does not justify the manner in which KPS behave. The KPS do not have the right to seize people's property, and behave like hooligans.
(Ecoman, 21 June 2012 12:21)

Of course, and KPS did neither… but whoever feels otherwise is free to sue them
----------

Why should they change license plates if they don't recognize Prishtina authorities?
(aaayyy, 21 June 2012 13:23)

Because it does not matter whether they recognize or not Prishtina authorities; for that matter it does not even matter if Prishtina authorities exist or not. Kosovo is under UNMIK administration and Kosovo residents can only have plates issued by UNMIK or authorities delegated by UNMIK to do so. But if somebody wants to link everything in life (including eating) with recognition of Prishtina authorities, it’s that somebody’s fault if he/she starves :)
----------

But majority of population in Serbia is Serbian and therefore they (Kosovo Albanians, which are citizens of Serbia too) must accept that.
(aaayyy, 21 June 2012 23:12)

Vary valid point; unfortunately Serbia disagrees; they don’t consider Kosovo Albanians citizens of Serbia as demonstrated by the fact that they are not included in the voter’s list for Serbia’s elections and referendums. You are free though to convince Serbia to consider Kosovo Albanians Serbia’s citizens, starting with the vote for Serbia’s Constitution, and certainly they’ll accept the laws deriving from that Constitution.

Vladimir, 22 June 2012 12:02)
I would say that it is up to B92 what type of forum this is. If they do not like what Albanians say they have the power to not print or edit comments but then that would tend to make them just another ultranationalist propaganda tool and apparently they wish to retain their Serbian roots but become an internationally respected news agency.
Punch in Google news on any subject and see how many Serbianna sources are listed.

Then put kosovo plates on the car, who the hell cares... this story about kosovo day after day is SO BORING and getting old
(jj, 21 June 2012 10:50)
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Then stop looking for news on Kosovo. There is plenty of other stuff to read.