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Tuesday, 05.06.2012.

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"Force won't subdue Serbs - time for other solutions"

The northern, Serb-dominated part of Kosovo cannot be subdued by force, writes a former UN administrator for this region.

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Jovan

pre 11 godina

@Glenn: I didn´t feel offended. I just think that there is a big difference between my mistakes and those made by some of our k-albanian friends here. and actually, they should be speaking english way better than they are doing it here... since it is their masters language.. at least the albanian girls who are so desperately trying to be "translators" in order to get into a relationship with some westerner ... you know, ...in order to get out of KiM and let this crippled society behind.

anyway, there is nothing to give to the k-albanians except guarantees that those Albanians who have not participated in hate-crimes against Serbs and those who belong to minorities in Serbia can stay in southern Serbia. all others who are caught on film, or where is any kind of evidence that they have done something of that kind... will have to look for a better future in Albania or somewhere else - because KiM is and will be serbian in the future.

no discussion with them, no compromise. take it or leave it. and if they leave, they will have to go, but without our territory.

and Glenn, there is no doubt about it, the US and their allies won´t stay forever... so be sure that you don´t fool yourselves when you tell us to compromise.

no offense, just an opinion. and rest assured, it is not only my personal view...

you are right, I do not agree with you, but that is okay.

Glenn

pre 11 godina

@Glenn: there is not much to improve for me, since my english is good enough, I guess. I speak several languages and if in a hurry( since contrary to our dear k-albanian friends I have a job ), I sometimes mix it up, but that´s not meant as an excuse and I think nobody will have a reason to laugh about my english though.

as for your idea of compromise: forget about it. there is nothing to bargain about, it is serbian territory we are talking about - and that means there is only one possible solution if you want peace and stability. liberation. fullstop.

the ottoman turks have learned their lesson, the germans had to learn it too, and todays occupiers and their albanian servants will learn it too. it is just a question of time.
(Jovan, 6 June 2012 20:00)

Jovan, no offense intended, just a little good-natured jab...

Compromise is not my idea. It is Serbia who has been talking about how the only path forward was compromise (non-stop) for the past few years. I was just saying that if you compromise, starting from where we are now, Kosovo will have to move even more towards independence. If you want to negotiate, you have to give something. Kosovo will have to give huge amounts of autonomy to the north.

I am not expecting that you will necessarily agree, but rather I suggest that you just wait a while and see what happens.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

I am German, and Germany faced his facist past, learned from it. Something Serbia still needs to do, and I do not see any sign of this happeneing.
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Serbia never had a fascist past. That was only you and your muppets.
Serbia fought against fascism and you know it so why make a fool of yourself now by accusing Serbia of the very thing you were and a lot of you still are.
It was evident when Germany united, west Germany was going to be infested with Nazis again. Pity.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@Glenn: there is not much to improve for me, since my english is good enough, I guess. I speak several languages and if in a hurry( since contrary to our dear k-albanian friends I have a job ), I sometimes mix it up, but that´s not meant as an excuse and I think nobody will have a reason to laugh about my english though.

as for your idea of compromise: forget about it. there is nothing to bargain about, it is serbian territory we are talking about - and that means there is only one possible solution if you want peace and stability. liberation. fullstop.

the ottoman turks have learned their lesson, the germans had to learn it too, and todays occupiers and their albanian servants will learn it too. it is just a question of time.

ItalianoAmericano

pre 11 godina

"Partition of Kosovo seems to be the best solution possible, with Kosovo south of Ibar and Albania simultaneously allowed to unite in Greater Albania."

And Serbia gives up Presevo Valley and Bujanovac

Steve Gligorijevic

pre 11 godina

Mendo

You do not know our resolve, we can wait and when the time comes we will make you and others like you eat your words.

Willi Pfaff

pre 11 godina

@sj

your wake up call .... and there will be more coming

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/eu-balkan-leaders-should-face-war-past?utm_source=Balkan+Insight+Newsletters&utm_campaign=2a9cb0e7b4-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email

Glenn

pre 11 godina

@willi: no matter who you are, coward-albanian or undereducated german, actually it makes no difference - BUT, please learn english. your spelling is terrible.
(Jovan, 6 June 2012 12:52)

Here, let me fix this for you:
No matter who you are, whether a cowardly Albanian or an under-educated German (actually it makes no difference), please learn English. your spelling is terrible.

Jovan, if you are going to criticize someone on their command of English, I recommend that you first improve your grammar. ;) Having said that, I think that the point of comments in this forum is not to show our excellence in language, but rather to provide insight into our points of view about articles which are published.

Compromise is likely required in the current situation between Kosovo and Serbia, which means both sides will have to give something. Kosovo already has much more than autonomy (an entire government, taxation, control of borders, and so on), but less than full international recognition (UN membership, etc.) and little control of the north.

The only likely compromise solution would be full recognition by Serbia of Kosovo, with northern Kosovo either being almost entirely autonomous within Kosovo or becoming annexed to Serbia, almost certainly in exchange for part of eastern Serbia.

Invictus

pre 11 godina

@Will @Ben
Only thing that lack "Kosova" is credibility. "Kosova" is a illegal artificial creation and that is more and more evident. And thats not all, Albanians aggressivity, their plan for "Great Albania" (Kosovo field, Macedonia, Greece, Monenegro) is already proven EU that she was standing on the wrong side of a conflict.

As I sad resolution 1244 must be respected, Serbian army must enter Kosovo field in order to protect civilians left to mercy of Albanians, and year 2004 already taught us what that mean.

@Will
Wake up call? Do you mean Naser Oric genocide over 3600 Serbian civilians near Srebrenica prior to the july 1995? If not, ask yourself why nobody in EU dosnt addopt Srebrenica resolution so eggarly as predicted in earlier years?

Zoran

pre 11 godina

That is, they do not allow Kosova to develop true state capacities and that is in first place military force. Not only that are reluctant to help Kosova but they heavily limit her in ridiculously low numbers as 2,200 lightly armed mad.
(ben, 6 June 2012 13:57)
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LOL ben! You are a classic. Hey, here, I'll let your friend Hillary Clinton answer your concerns. Check -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqn0bm4E9yw

You see, they suspect that in 20 years time Albanians will be fighting against the US so they don't really want to arm you. They know terrorism is alive in K*-Albanians.

ben

pre 11 godina

(Willi Pfaff, 6 June 2012 12:14)

it does not surprise me the low level of those insulting the Europe's greatest democracy, the country that is bearing the greatest chunk of the EU funds that flows in support of their country. They are simply primitive uneducated unable people to face their miserable reality.

They are also very funny. They are unable to pronounce correctly 1/3 of the English alphabet yet accuse others for misspelling.

Vat can i say Will? dis is not vat a nice people would do or say.

On more serious note: the main problem here is in the lack of the western powers to help Kosova create a real and credible state. That is, they do not allow Kosova to develop true state capacities and that is in first place military force. Not only that are reluctant to help Kosova but they heavily limit her in ridiculously low numbers as 2,200 lightly armed mad. As if it was Kosova that attacked Serbia not the other way arround. This is the main problem. While the only language a bull understands is the language of force (see how obedient and silent are towards Croatia). The rest is simply waste of time. Serbians will respect Kosova ONLY when Kosova will have serious Army. Until then they will continue thinking that one day they can come back and expel, kill, burn us and will claim that they have “liberated” kosova, their garden- as they don’t live and never did like to live in Kosova.

Bill

pre 11 godina

Why so many comments about Galluci. When he was in Kosovo, no one listened to him. Now outside of Kosovo, he wants to effect the events there. He shouldn't waste his time and focus on his present job, before he is fired again...

Zoran

pre 11 godina

I am German, and Germany faced his facist past, learned from it. Something Serbia still needs to do, and I do not see any sign of this happeneing. Quite contrary, reeding the comments here, shows everybody how deep that kind of thinking is still enbeded in a lot of serbian people. A cleansing process needs to be started, unbiast reflection on your past is desperatly needed, and not nationalist, and lately even facist thinking. This kind of backwards thinking, getting lost in hate and even calls for war, or the elinination of all Albaniens like we see here on a daily basis, is something which is not good, makes Serbia look bad in the entire world, and does not bring peace.
(Willi Pfaff, 6 June 2012 12:14)
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Poor Willi, you missed my video link. Here it is again -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oreSVIC7DhE

I dare you to watch it and see the type of fascism going on in Germany now. Read the Youtube comments coming from Germans, such as "Heil Hitler!", the top comment!

What you are saying about Serbians is in fact happening in Germany, in Albanian "Kosova"* and it is no surprise that fascists claim their victims support fascism. It is simply not true and has always been the NAZI way of manipulation.

Serbians are tolerant of other ethnicities. Time to wake up Willi and clean up your own backyard before lecturing others. You are a fraud and the reason you dislike Serbs is because we kicked your NAZI ancestors out of the Balkans.

Willi Pfaff

pre 11 godina

@Jovan

rest assured, I am German, and Germany faced his facist past, learned from it. Something Serbia still needs to do, and I do not see any sign of this happeneing. Quite contrary, reeding the comments here, shows everybody how deep that kind of thinking is still enbeded in a lot of serbian people. A cleansing process needs to be started, unbiast reflection on your past is desperatly needed, and not nationalist, and lately even facist thinking. This kind of backwards thinking, getting lost in hate and even calls for war, or the elinination of all Albaniens like we see here on a daily basis, is something which is not good, makes Serbia look bad in the entire world, and does not bring peace.

Invictus

pre 11 godina

@croatia-eu
If you dont care about Kosovo issue what the hell are you doing here?!?! You just jump in to your mouth.

Resolution 1244 should be respected and Serbian army should return to protect civilians from drug traffickers and human organ snatcher.

you cant kill 3600 people and when their family come for a retaliation you scream genocide and ask that dead should be count from one side only (with large exaggerations of your own death number) and ask to count from the date that suits you. And thats what Srebrenica lobby wants.
Just wach "Srebrenica a town betrayed"

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@dori:

the only dudes that are funny in here are the albanians actually! it is really an interesting issue with you Albanians, you tend to write some of the weirdest bullshit ever seen, but you dare to call others "funny" if they tell you something that is common knowledge today. well you are a funny nation yourselves, or like your own scholars say, you albanians like to dream... and by the way, there is no special divine connection needed at all to predict what will happen with coastal regions in europe. but that´s something won´t affect you personally, so no reason to whine about.

when the time has come for you to move to the south into the albanian mountains you will be amused too, I guess. just remember one thing: the US won´t stay forever, so your little freak creation that you call "kosovaah" will be abolished or to put it right southern Serbia will be liberated. sooner or later.

@willi: no matter who you are, coward-albanian or undereducated german, actually it makes no difference - BUT, please learn english. your spelling is terrible.

sj

pre 11 godina

(ben, 5 June 2012 17:16)
Hey bright boy, you kicked out everyone else including ethnic Turks, Croats and even you muslim Roma; these poor people live outside of Serb enclaves because they are afraid of your non Roma Albanians.
(Willi Pfaff, 5 June 2012 17:29)
Hey wolfy, which international community id that? Wake me up when they launch they take action.

30.000 Kosovo Serbs want autonomy. What about 300.000 Hungarians in Vojvodina or 60.000 Albanians in Presheva Valley?
(Avni, 5 June 2012 17:48)
This no 60000 Albanians in preshavo left, but the Hungarians are free to launch whatever action they see fit but to break away you have to be in one location not spread all over Vojvodina mate.

(Besim, 5 June 2012 20:04)
When NATO is ready let them launch their operation LOL. By the way the barricades are back up again but I’m sure that mighty windbag NATO will take action – perhaps they can bake a cake for their next move.
Albanians always waiting for someone else to do their dirty work, but perhaps your Pristina goat herders can do something LOL

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

@dori:

our day will come, don´t you worry about that. and if you are located in tirana, you have nothing to fear, except global warming. because one day in the future you will find yourself under the sea level.


(Jovan, 6 June 2012 10:42)

@ aha Jovan. Now I understand why you don’t pretend more Tirana or Durres. With special relations that Serbs has with God they know that this part of Albanians lands will go under the sea. Till the time this happen, Kosova will be Albanian. So let the Adriatic Sea and global warming solve the problem. Thank you for funny time that you give me.

Mendo

pre 11 godina

@ Steve Gligorijevic

It's not that you guys are patient but there is nothing you can do and never will.

Gallucui, well we all know how biased this guy is, it's no worth commenting about his opinion.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@dori:

our day will come, don´t you worry about that. and if you are located in tirana, you have nothing to fear, except global warming. because one day in the future you will find yourself under the sea level.

@willi pfaff:
actually, like most of those "german", "italian" or "american" posters are actually coward-albanians trying to provoke anti-german,anti-italian or anti-american comments very likely willi pfaff is also just another of those smart-ass albanians who think to be real psychological genius-manipulators... =)

but even if willi pfaff was german, my only answer to him would be:

as far as we all have learned through history, fascism was quite succsessful amongst Germans, right?

kids, don´t be so pathetic, there must be more for you than just bringing up each and everytime the same old and worn out nonsense-stories about alleged illyrian descent, albanian "liberation from serbian boot" and even more stupid claims about Serbs spreading fascism. come on, I mean, you are not really THAT stupid, are you?

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

south of Ibar is going to be liberated. one way or another. and no Obama, Bush or Gallucci is going to change anything in regard to this. Serbia will prevail, and when the time has come, we will see some Albanians moving to Albania. and only those who have not committed hate-crimes will have a place in southern Serbia.

our day will come.
(Jovan, 5 June 2012 16:56)

Yes Serbia will prevail from Belgrade to Tokyo. They have only one obstacle the Albanians of Ex-Yugoslavia. They try for almost one century to assimilate or to expel them to Albania or Turkey. The only success of “powerful” Serbia was some area near the Nis in today Serbia and Macedonia, a small area in Montenegro. And after that we still have Serbs here that think they can expel Albanians in 2 ore 3 hours. Even Milosevic was not so optimistic. Your day has gone. You had one century to realize your criminal dream to exterminate one entire nation, your neighbors from centuries Albanians. I said a dream but realy this was your national program. Read draft of Vasa Çubriloviç please. They resist to you only with their heart and spirit, now they have their state and alliance. The justice of God will prevail.

Marcus

pre 11 godina

"Force won't subdue Serbs - time for other solutions"

Sadly, what operation Storm, Maestral, Deliberate Force, Allied Force showed was that the Serb elite are only responsive to force. The fact that Nikolic hasn't connected the loss of Kosovo with Serbia's breach of the genocide convention (Bosnia v Serbia Judgement ICJ) is telling of a wider malaise of nationalist denial or indifference in Serbia - cf taglines that glorify the Srebrenica genocide "noz, zica, Srebrenica" (knife, wire, Srebrenica).

One can't help but feel sorry for the critical mass of people in Serbia that have not made the connection between the imperial policies of their state and the poor standard of living and general malaise of the country. The people are lost and they need moral guidance thus it is tragic that the Orthodox Church seems to have been on the bandwagon of a Greater Serbia concept that is typified by enemy-centrism rather than promoting Christian humanism, even if it means a more ecumenical approach.

Steve Gligorijevic

pre 11 godina

Koso

We're better than you and that's what pisses you off. We don't hide behind anybody and issue threats like you people do, and the only criminals I see are those murdering slime in Prishtina. They will get their just deserts,. it's only a matter of time and we are patient

KOSO

pre 11 godina

"Force won't subdue Serbs - time for other solutions"

(Italian Accent) But why? Give-a-violence a-chance!


I've come to the conclusion that galluci lives in belgrade after being fired from UNmik and works in the shadows of the clownmanship of Belgrade...also known as the 'government'.

If Al'Qaeda can be sudued by bombs and bullets, so can these criminals. What do you serbs think you are, superhuman?


Sincerely,

TristanFromCanada

pre 11 godina

I'm not totally against the partition of KiM on the condition that partition of BiH and Croatia is also on the agenda.
(Zoran, 5 June 2012 16:35)

And then we would have a Kosovo situation in Croatia that would shoot tensions through the roof...not to mention give Serbs that reputation similar to the Albanians that stole that massive chunk of Serbian land that has been in Serbian hands (for the most part) since the Middle Ages...

Do you get my drift?

Don't give other Serbs a bad name, please.

croatia-eu

pre 11 godina

I'm amazed that everytime Serbian posts run out of arguments, they start talking about Croatia

We don't care about your Kosovo issues. The whole world is tired of your nonsense. And your newly elected president is an insult to humanity.

Very sad indeed.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Serbia is turning into a country where facist ideas are openly spread throughout society. Very alarming situation, and an answer from the international community is on its way.
(Willi Pfaff, 5 June 2012 17:29)
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Yes Willi, fascism is on the rise but you only need to look in your own German backyard. Check -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oreSVIC7DhE

All former NAZI members are united again within NATO. NATO is now spreading death and destruction around the world, just like the NAZIs once did.

Of course Serbia is in the firing line. We always have been for resisting fascism. Just listen to what these desperate Albanians and their supporters (Willi, Roberto, etc..) are saying. They are endorsing further ethnic cleansing and genocide against Serbs. Shameful!

Besim

pre 11 godina

What makes you think that Albanians in Serbia will not qet their rights. If Serbs in Kosovo push for autonomy or changing of borders the international community will not allow for any changes of borders or any such moves. As for now the barricades are going to be put down and Serbian parallel structures be dissolved. The NATO troops presence in that region has increased and they will not go away until their goal is accomplished. The increase in NATO troops in northern Kosovo has caused for the Russian diplomats in Serbia to say that NATO is accomplishing the dream for Greater Albania by trying to get Pristina control in northern Kosovo.

The reality is that NATO has had enough of these Serbian rebels in northern Kosovo and believes that especially after the Serbian elections to come up with a solution by firstly taking off the barricades which are an obstacle, then put up with any resistance which surely will not last long.

As for the Serbs living in Serbia i think that NATO will pay little attention to them as it is quite used to them by now.

Navi

pre 11 godina

30.000 Kosovo Serbs want autonomy. What about 300.000 Hungarians in Vojvodina or 60.000 Albanians in Presheva Valley?
(Avni, 5 June 2012 17:48)

They are not complaining. Life is good for them.

MikeC

pre 11 godina

"30.000 Kosovo Serbs want autonomy. What about 300.000 Hungarians in Vojvodina or 60.000 Albanians in Presheva Valley?"

Avni

30.000 serbs! What about the remaining 200.000 that have been expelled by drugsmugling albanians? And don't forget the greeks in south Albania. They want autonomy as well. And the serbs in Montenegro and Croatia. By the way, bosnian serbs want and deserve independence.
Let serbs and albanians fight for Kosovo. This time without NATO intervention. Serbs need 2-3 hours at the most. Then we won't have discusions like this.

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

Considering the number of angry, fearful, and pissed off Albanian comments that offer no other alternative solution, I'd say Gallucci hit one too many truths they know but refuse to acknowledge. Too bad. They had years to come up with something for Kosovo other than "do as we say or we'll riot." :)

Johnny Mnamonic

pre 11 godina

Why should Serb accept division of Kosovo? Kosovo belong to Serbs, it is their land and their territory, its just under occupation at this moment. By accepting separation they will accept occupation as legit. But I also think that there should be serbian police and army in the north of kosovo (resolution 1244) because so far NATO and KFOR just listen Pristina and didnt protect Serbs. Remember 2004!! Albanians attack Serbs, burn churches, kill people! Remember that!

ben

pre 11 godina

Kosovo Albanians have had a lot of time to prove that they wouldn't discriminate against the ethnic minorities living in Kosovo and that Serbs can live safely in Kosovo. They failed to prove that.
(Helmut, 5 June 2012 15:48)

South of Ibar live 120,000 Serbs in peace. North of Ibar, the one you want to separate live 30,000 Serbs in barricades.

|Check your facts.

Plus Serbs are only one of the minorotes living in kosova. Never heard any Turk to complain, Croatian, Montenegrean.

Check your facts.

On the division proposal: swap is the correct word. North Koosva goes to Serbia, east Serbia to Kosova. Fair and clean.

Momcilo

pre 11 godina

@EU
Bujanovac and Vojvodina are no problem whatsoever. I've seen those albos there behave continuously, and there is no threat there at all. Nor nothing to worry about, esp with the Serb base right there in case of emergencies. You are living in a fantasy world. And yes.. Serbs do hold the bargaining chip, who are you kidding? We will not succumb to pressure forever, and as long as we keep a tight grip on the north of our province, we will soon enough liberate the rest. Only deal is to give autonomy to our province, and thats it. If you think that the fake govt in Pristina has earned some sort of right, you should seriously go take a walk and clear your head. Whether anyone likes it or not, no one in the EU sees anything productive from this illegal declaration. Criminals, trafficking, murder charges, organ removal, this is all that you have seen or heard from this fake declared stae. Who in their right mind, French, German, Dutch, Italian wants to see these guys at their meetings or at their government buildings. Answer is no one. Serbia's biggest bargaining chip is to keep doing what they're doing, worry about remaining peaceful and work with the EU, while those criminals continue to deal drugs from afghanistan, and eventually go down one by one, forcing the world to open their eyes.

Willi Pfaff

pre 11 godina

there is absolutely no need to bargain with the Albanians about serbian territory.

south of Ibar is going to be liberated. one way or another. and no Obama, Bush or Gallucci is going to change anything in regard to this. Serbia will prevail, and when the time has come, we will see some Albanians moving to Albania. and only those who have not committed hate-crimes will have a place in southern Serbia.

our day will come.
(Jovan, 5 June 2012 16:56)

Serbia is turning into a country where facist ideas are openly spread throughout society. Very alarming situation, and an answer from the international community is on its way.

ben

pre 11 godina

"The order for KFOR to upset peace and calm in Kosovo must have come from some cabbadost somewhere within the Quint who has not yet learned the lesson that force won't subdue the Serbs,"

what a rubbish man....

the action started at 8.40am and finished before 11.30 am... not even 2 hours to subdue them... reality check your blof is so cheap...

:)

pre 11 godina

Serbs survived the Ottoman Empire, Austria-Hungary, Nazi Germany and NATO. What makes you think they will not survive this occupation of Kosovo? "Kud god da krenem tebi se vracam ponovo ko da mi otme iz muje duse Kosovo"

Commentator

pre 11 godina

Galluccis judgement is very poor. He proposes only a shifting of the problem, without solving it and making it even worse. Actually, when analyzed more carefully, his proposal would not only freeze the conflict but put in concrete. What is the point of shifting borders (which is unlikely at best), when Serbia would still not recognize the South of Kosovo? Not even under best prognosis his ideas would be successful which makes it obvious that he is not interested in solving the conflict.

I read Galluccis statements from time to time and came to the conclusion that this guy simply acts out of emotion. There is no other explanation for his unsteady and not stringent position.

Bill

pre 11 godina

Gerard Gallucci usually is very onesided. He was during his time as an UMNIK peackeeper in Northern Mitrovica, and has been ever since. Certainly not somebody who is helpful to defuse the situation, and certainly does not have the credibilty needed in order to be accepted by both sides. His remarks concerning the current situation just show his onesidedness once more, and by doing so he disqualifies himself once again.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

interesting.

not the article itself, which is rather the usual rubbish.

but interesting is that some Albanians still do not realize that this man is trying to promote a division in order to trick the Serbs into some kind of "bargain"...

but, there is absolutely no need to bargain with the Albanians about serbian territory.

south of Ibar is going to be liberated. one way or another. and no Obama, Bush or Gallucci is going to change anything in regard to this. Serbia will prevail, and when the time has come, we will see some Albanians moving to Albania. and only those who have not committed hate-crimes will have a place in southern Serbia.

our day will come.

Jerry

pre 11 godina

Ohhh Gallucci go home and leave this region alone, there is no need for your comments and advices any more.People like you are to blame for ethnic clashes and violence.

EU

pre 11 godina

No partition will take place in Kosovo, Bosnia or Croatia. Serbia needs to worry about Vojvodina in that case, also Presevo the valley of majority Albanians Bujanoc etc. Once again Serbia is in no position to propose any partition. All there is left to do deport illegal Serbians crossing the border into Kosovo and causing tensions and problems.

Helmut

pre 11 godina

Partition of Kosovo seems to be the best solution possible, with Kosovo south of Ibar and Albania simultaneously allowed to unite in Greater Albania.

Kosovo Albanians have had a lot of time to prove that they wouldn't discriminate against the ethnic minorities living in Kosovo and that Serbs can live safely in Kosovo. They failed to prove that.

Momcilo

pre 11 godina

@EU
Bujanovac and Vojvodina are no problem whatsoever. I've seen those albos there behave continuously, and there is no threat there at all. Nor nothing to worry about, esp with the Serb base right there in case of emergencies. You are living in a fantasy world. And yes.. Serbs do hold the bargaining chip, who are you kidding? We will not succumb to pressure forever, and as long as we keep a tight grip on the north of our province, we will soon enough liberate the rest. Only deal is to give autonomy to our province, and thats it. If you think that the fake govt in Pristina has earned some sort of right, you should seriously go take a walk and clear your head. Whether anyone likes it or not, no one in the EU sees anything productive from this illegal declaration. Criminals, trafficking, murder charges, organ removal, this is all that you have seen or heard from this fake declared stae. Who in their right mind, French, German, Dutch, Italian wants to see these guys at their meetings or at their government buildings. Answer is no one. Serbia's biggest bargaining chip is to keep doing what they're doing, worry about remaining peaceful and work with the EU, while those criminals continue to deal drugs from afghanistan, and eventually go down one by one, forcing the world to open their eyes.

:)

pre 11 godina

Serbs survived the Ottoman Empire, Austria-Hungary, Nazi Germany and NATO. What makes you think they will not survive this occupation of Kosovo? "Kud god da krenem tebi se vracam ponovo ko da mi otme iz muje duse Kosovo"

Helmut

pre 11 godina

Partition of Kosovo seems to be the best solution possible, with Kosovo south of Ibar and Albania simultaneously allowed to unite in Greater Albania.

Kosovo Albanians have had a lot of time to prove that they wouldn't discriminate against the ethnic minorities living in Kosovo and that Serbs can live safely in Kosovo. They failed to prove that.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

interesting.

not the article itself, which is rather the usual rubbish.

but interesting is that some Albanians still do not realize that this man is trying to promote a division in order to trick the Serbs into some kind of "bargain"...

but, there is absolutely no need to bargain with the Albanians about serbian territory.

south of Ibar is going to be liberated. one way or another. and no Obama, Bush or Gallucci is going to change anything in regard to this. Serbia will prevail, and when the time has come, we will see some Albanians moving to Albania. and only those who have not committed hate-crimes will have a place in southern Serbia.

our day will come.

Johnny Mnamonic

pre 11 godina

Why should Serb accept division of Kosovo? Kosovo belong to Serbs, it is their land and their territory, its just under occupation at this moment. By accepting separation they will accept occupation as legit. But I also think that there should be serbian police and army in the north of kosovo (resolution 1244) because so far NATO and KFOR just listen Pristina and didnt protect Serbs. Remember 2004!! Albanians attack Serbs, burn churches, kill people! Remember that!

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

Considering the number of angry, fearful, and pissed off Albanian comments that offer no other alternative solution, I'd say Gallucci hit one too many truths they know but refuse to acknowledge. Too bad. They had years to come up with something for Kosovo other than "do as we say or we'll riot." :)

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Serbia is turning into a country where facist ideas are openly spread throughout society. Very alarming situation, and an answer from the international community is on its way.
(Willi Pfaff, 5 June 2012 17:29)
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Yes Willi, fascism is on the rise but you only need to look in your own German backyard. Check -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oreSVIC7DhE

All former NAZI members are united again within NATO. NATO is now spreading death and destruction around the world, just like the NAZIs once did.

Of course Serbia is in the firing line. We always have been for resisting fascism. Just listen to what these desperate Albanians and their supporters (Willi, Roberto, etc..) are saying. They are endorsing further ethnic cleansing and genocide against Serbs. Shameful!

MikeC

pre 11 godina

"30.000 Kosovo Serbs want autonomy. What about 300.000 Hungarians in Vojvodina or 60.000 Albanians in Presheva Valley?"

Avni

30.000 serbs! What about the remaining 200.000 that have been expelled by drugsmugling albanians? And don't forget the greeks in south Albania. They want autonomy as well. And the serbs in Montenegro and Croatia. By the way, bosnian serbs want and deserve independence.
Let serbs and albanians fight for Kosovo. This time without NATO intervention. Serbs need 2-3 hours at the most. Then we won't have discusions like this.

Jerry

pre 11 godina

Ohhh Gallucci go home and leave this region alone, there is no need for your comments and advices any more.People like you are to blame for ethnic clashes and violence.

Bill

pre 11 godina

Gerard Gallucci usually is very onesided. He was during his time as an UMNIK peackeeper in Northern Mitrovica, and has been ever since. Certainly not somebody who is helpful to defuse the situation, and certainly does not have the credibilty needed in order to be accepted by both sides. His remarks concerning the current situation just show his onesidedness once more, and by doing so he disqualifies himself once again.

Navi

pre 11 godina

30.000 Kosovo Serbs want autonomy. What about 300.000 Hungarians in Vojvodina or 60.000 Albanians in Presheva Valley?
(Avni, 5 June 2012 17:48)

They are not complaining. Life is good for them.

Willi Pfaff

pre 11 godina

there is absolutely no need to bargain with the Albanians about serbian territory.

south of Ibar is going to be liberated. one way or another. and no Obama, Bush or Gallucci is going to change anything in regard to this. Serbia will prevail, and when the time has come, we will see some Albanians moving to Albania. and only those who have not committed hate-crimes will have a place in southern Serbia.

our day will come.
(Jovan, 5 June 2012 16:56)

Serbia is turning into a country where facist ideas are openly spread throughout society. Very alarming situation, and an answer from the international community is on its way.

EU

pre 11 godina

No partition will take place in Kosovo, Bosnia or Croatia. Serbia needs to worry about Vojvodina in that case, also Presevo the valley of majority Albanians Bujanoc etc. Once again Serbia is in no position to propose any partition. All there is left to do deport illegal Serbians crossing the border into Kosovo and causing tensions and problems.

Commentator

pre 11 godina

Galluccis judgement is very poor. He proposes only a shifting of the problem, without solving it and making it even worse. Actually, when analyzed more carefully, his proposal would not only freeze the conflict but put in concrete. What is the point of shifting borders (which is unlikely at best), when Serbia would still not recognize the South of Kosovo? Not even under best prognosis his ideas would be successful which makes it obvious that he is not interested in solving the conflict.

I read Galluccis statements from time to time and came to the conclusion that this guy simply acts out of emotion. There is no other explanation for his unsteady and not stringent position.

KOSO

pre 11 godina

"Force won't subdue Serbs - time for other solutions"

(Italian Accent) But why? Give-a-violence a-chance!


I've come to the conclusion that galluci lives in belgrade after being fired from UNmik and works in the shadows of the clownmanship of Belgrade...also known as the 'government'.

If Al'Qaeda can be sudued by bombs and bullets, so can these criminals. What do you serbs think you are, superhuman?


Sincerely,

Besim

pre 11 godina

What makes you think that Albanians in Serbia will not qet their rights. If Serbs in Kosovo push for autonomy or changing of borders the international community will not allow for any changes of borders or any such moves. As for now the barricades are going to be put down and Serbian parallel structures be dissolved. The NATO troops presence in that region has increased and they will not go away until their goal is accomplished. The increase in NATO troops in northern Kosovo has caused for the Russian diplomats in Serbia to say that NATO is accomplishing the dream for Greater Albania by trying to get Pristina control in northern Kosovo.

The reality is that NATO has had enough of these Serbian rebels in northern Kosovo and believes that especially after the Serbian elections to come up with a solution by firstly taking off the barricades which are an obstacle, then put up with any resistance which surely will not last long.

As for the Serbs living in Serbia i think that NATO will pay little attention to them as it is quite used to them by now.

croatia-eu

pre 11 godina

I'm amazed that everytime Serbian posts run out of arguments, they start talking about Croatia

We don't care about your Kosovo issues. The whole world is tired of your nonsense. And your newly elected president is an insult to humanity.

Very sad indeed.

Zoran

pre 11 godina

I am German, and Germany faced his facist past, learned from it. Something Serbia still needs to do, and I do not see any sign of this happeneing. Quite contrary, reeding the comments here, shows everybody how deep that kind of thinking is still enbeded in a lot of serbian people. A cleansing process needs to be started, unbiast reflection on your past is desperatly needed, and not nationalist, and lately even facist thinking. This kind of backwards thinking, getting lost in hate and even calls for war, or the elinination of all Albaniens like we see here on a daily basis, is something which is not good, makes Serbia look bad in the entire world, and does not bring peace.
(Willi Pfaff, 6 June 2012 12:14)
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Poor Willi, you missed my video link. Here it is again -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oreSVIC7DhE

I dare you to watch it and see the type of fascism going on in Germany now. Read the Youtube comments coming from Germans, such as "Heil Hitler!", the top comment!

What you are saying about Serbians is in fact happening in Germany, in Albanian "Kosova"* and it is no surprise that fascists claim their victims support fascism. It is simply not true and has always been the NAZI way of manipulation.

Serbians are tolerant of other ethnicities. Time to wake up Willi and clean up your own backyard before lecturing others. You are a fraud and the reason you dislike Serbs is because we kicked your NAZI ancestors out of the Balkans.

ben

pre 11 godina

Kosovo Albanians have had a lot of time to prove that they wouldn't discriminate against the ethnic minorities living in Kosovo and that Serbs can live safely in Kosovo. They failed to prove that.
(Helmut, 5 June 2012 15:48)

South of Ibar live 120,000 Serbs in peace. North of Ibar, the one you want to separate live 30,000 Serbs in barricades.

|Check your facts.

Plus Serbs are only one of the minorotes living in kosova. Never heard any Turk to complain, Croatian, Montenegrean.

Check your facts.

On the division proposal: swap is the correct word. North Koosva goes to Serbia, east Serbia to Kosova. Fair and clean.

Invictus

pre 11 godina

@Will @Ben
Only thing that lack "Kosova" is credibility. "Kosova" is a illegal artificial creation and that is more and more evident. And thats not all, Albanians aggressivity, their plan for "Great Albania" (Kosovo field, Macedonia, Greece, Monenegro) is already proven EU that she was standing on the wrong side of a conflict.

As I sad resolution 1244 must be respected, Serbian army must enter Kosovo field in order to protect civilians left to mercy of Albanians, and year 2004 already taught us what that mean.

@Will
Wake up call? Do you mean Naser Oric genocide over 3600 Serbian civilians near Srebrenica prior to the july 1995? If not, ask yourself why nobody in EU dosnt addopt Srebrenica resolution so eggarly as predicted in earlier years?

Steve Gligorijevic

pre 11 godina

Mendo

You do not know our resolve, we can wait and when the time comes we will make you and others like you eat your words.

ben

pre 11 godina

"The order for KFOR to upset peace and calm in Kosovo must have come from some cabbadost somewhere within the Quint who has not yet learned the lesson that force won't subdue the Serbs,"

what a rubbish man....

the action started at 8.40am and finished before 11.30 am... not even 2 hours to subdue them... reality check your blof is so cheap...

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@dori:

our day will come, don´t you worry about that. and if you are located in tirana, you have nothing to fear, except global warming. because one day in the future you will find yourself under the sea level.

@willi pfaff:
actually, like most of those "german", "italian" or "american" posters are actually coward-albanians trying to provoke anti-german,anti-italian or anti-american comments very likely willi pfaff is also just another of those smart-ass albanians who think to be real psychological genius-manipulators... =)

but even if willi pfaff was german, my only answer to him would be:

as far as we all have learned through history, fascism was quite succsessful amongst Germans, right?

kids, don´t be so pathetic, there must be more for you than just bringing up each and everytime the same old and worn out nonsense-stories about alleged illyrian descent, albanian "liberation from serbian boot" and even more stupid claims about Serbs spreading fascism. come on, I mean, you are not really THAT stupid, are you?

sj

pre 11 godina

(ben, 5 June 2012 17:16)
Hey bright boy, you kicked out everyone else including ethnic Turks, Croats and even you muslim Roma; these poor people live outside of Serb enclaves because they are afraid of your non Roma Albanians.
(Willi Pfaff, 5 June 2012 17:29)
Hey wolfy, which international community id that? Wake me up when they launch they take action.

30.000 Kosovo Serbs want autonomy. What about 300.000 Hungarians in Vojvodina or 60.000 Albanians in Presheva Valley?
(Avni, 5 June 2012 17:48)
This no 60000 Albanians in preshavo left, but the Hungarians are free to launch whatever action they see fit but to break away you have to be in one location not spread all over Vojvodina mate.

(Besim, 5 June 2012 20:04)
When NATO is ready let them launch their operation LOL. By the way the barricades are back up again but I’m sure that mighty windbag NATO will take action – perhaps they can bake a cake for their next move.
Albanians always waiting for someone else to do their dirty work, but perhaps your Pristina goat herders can do something LOL

Peggy

pre 11 godina

I am German, and Germany faced his facist past, learned from it. Something Serbia still needs to do, and I do not see any sign of this happeneing.
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Serbia never had a fascist past. That was only you and your muppets.
Serbia fought against fascism and you know it so why make a fool of yourself now by accusing Serbia of the very thing you were and a lot of you still are.
It was evident when Germany united, west Germany was going to be infested with Nazis again. Pity.

Invictus

pre 11 godina

@croatia-eu
If you dont care about Kosovo issue what the hell are you doing here?!?! You just jump in to your mouth.

Resolution 1244 should be respected and Serbian army should return to protect civilians from drug traffickers and human organ snatcher.

you cant kill 3600 people and when their family come for a retaliation you scream genocide and ask that dead should be count from one side only (with large exaggerations of your own death number) and ask to count from the date that suits you. And thats what Srebrenica lobby wants.
Just wach "Srebrenica a town betrayed"

Zoran

pre 11 godina

That is, they do not allow Kosova to develop true state capacities and that is in first place military force. Not only that are reluctant to help Kosova but they heavily limit her in ridiculously low numbers as 2,200 lightly armed mad.
(ben, 6 June 2012 13:57)
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LOL ben! You are a classic. Hey, here, I'll let your friend Hillary Clinton answer your concerns. Check -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqn0bm4E9yw

You see, they suspect that in 20 years time Albanians will be fighting against the US so they don't really want to arm you. They know terrorism is alive in K*-Albanians.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@Glenn: there is not much to improve for me, since my english is good enough, I guess. I speak several languages and if in a hurry( since contrary to our dear k-albanian friends I have a job ), I sometimes mix it up, but that´s not meant as an excuse and I think nobody will have a reason to laugh about my english though.

as for your idea of compromise: forget about it. there is nothing to bargain about, it is serbian territory we are talking about - and that means there is only one possible solution if you want peace and stability. liberation. fullstop.

the ottoman turks have learned their lesson, the germans had to learn it too, and todays occupiers and their albanian servants will learn it too. it is just a question of time.

Steve Gligorijevic

pre 11 godina

Koso

We're better than you and that's what pisses you off. We don't hide behind anybody and issue threats like you people do, and the only criminals I see are those murdering slime in Prishtina. They will get their just deserts,. it's only a matter of time and we are patient

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@dori:

the only dudes that are funny in here are the albanians actually! it is really an interesting issue with you Albanians, you tend to write some of the weirdest bullshit ever seen, but you dare to call others "funny" if they tell you something that is common knowledge today. well you are a funny nation yourselves, or like your own scholars say, you albanians like to dream... and by the way, there is no special divine connection needed at all to predict what will happen with coastal regions in europe. but that´s something won´t affect you personally, so no reason to whine about.

when the time has come for you to move to the south into the albanian mountains you will be amused too, I guess. just remember one thing: the US won´t stay forever, so your little freak creation that you call "kosovaah" will be abolished or to put it right southern Serbia will be liberated. sooner or later.

@willi: no matter who you are, coward-albanian or undereducated german, actually it makes no difference - BUT, please learn english. your spelling is terrible.

Mendo

pre 11 godina

@ Steve Gligorijevic

It's not that you guys are patient but there is nothing you can do and never will.

Gallucui, well we all know how biased this guy is, it's no worth commenting about his opinion.

ben

pre 11 godina

(Willi Pfaff, 6 June 2012 12:14)

it does not surprise me the low level of those insulting the Europe's greatest democracy, the country that is bearing the greatest chunk of the EU funds that flows in support of their country. They are simply primitive uneducated unable people to face their miserable reality.

They are also very funny. They are unable to pronounce correctly 1/3 of the English alphabet yet accuse others for misspelling.

Vat can i say Will? dis is not vat a nice people would do or say.

On more serious note: the main problem here is in the lack of the western powers to help Kosova create a real and credible state. That is, they do not allow Kosova to develop true state capacities and that is in first place military force. Not only that are reluctant to help Kosova but they heavily limit her in ridiculously low numbers as 2,200 lightly armed mad. As if it was Kosova that attacked Serbia not the other way arround. This is the main problem. While the only language a bull understands is the language of force (see how obedient and silent are towards Croatia). The rest is simply waste of time. Serbians will respect Kosova ONLY when Kosova will have serious Army. Until then they will continue thinking that one day they can come back and expel, kill, burn us and will claim that they have “liberated” kosova, their garden- as they don’t live and never did like to live in Kosova.

ItalianoAmericano

pre 11 godina

"Partition of Kosovo seems to be the best solution possible, with Kosovo south of Ibar and Albania simultaneously allowed to unite in Greater Albania."

And Serbia gives up Presevo Valley and Bujanovac

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

south of Ibar is going to be liberated. one way or another. and no Obama, Bush or Gallucci is going to change anything in regard to this. Serbia will prevail, and when the time has come, we will see some Albanians moving to Albania. and only those who have not committed hate-crimes will have a place in southern Serbia.

our day will come.
(Jovan, 5 June 2012 16:56)

Yes Serbia will prevail from Belgrade to Tokyo. They have only one obstacle the Albanians of Ex-Yugoslavia. They try for almost one century to assimilate or to expel them to Albania or Turkey. The only success of “powerful” Serbia was some area near the Nis in today Serbia and Macedonia, a small area in Montenegro. And after that we still have Serbs here that think they can expel Albanians in 2 ore 3 hours. Even Milosevic was not so optimistic. Your day has gone. You had one century to realize your criminal dream to exterminate one entire nation, your neighbors from centuries Albanians. I said a dream but realy this was your national program. Read draft of Vasa Çubriloviç please. They resist to you only with their heart and spirit, now they have their state and alliance. The justice of God will prevail.

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

@dori:

our day will come, don´t you worry about that. and if you are located in tirana, you have nothing to fear, except global warming. because one day in the future you will find yourself under the sea level.


(Jovan, 6 June 2012 10:42)

@ aha Jovan. Now I understand why you don’t pretend more Tirana or Durres. With special relations that Serbs has with God they know that this part of Albanians lands will go under the sea. Till the time this happen, Kosova will be Albanian. So let the Adriatic Sea and global warming solve the problem. Thank you for funny time that you give me.

Willi Pfaff

pre 11 godina

@Jovan

rest assured, I am German, and Germany faced his facist past, learned from it. Something Serbia still needs to do, and I do not see any sign of this happeneing. Quite contrary, reeding the comments here, shows everybody how deep that kind of thinking is still enbeded in a lot of serbian people. A cleansing process needs to be started, unbiast reflection on your past is desperatly needed, and not nationalist, and lately even facist thinking. This kind of backwards thinking, getting lost in hate and even calls for war, or the elinination of all Albaniens like we see here on a daily basis, is something which is not good, makes Serbia look bad in the entire world, and does not bring peace.

Bill

pre 11 godina

Why so many comments about Galluci. When he was in Kosovo, no one listened to him. Now outside of Kosovo, he wants to effect the events there. He shouldn't waste his time and focus on his present job, before he is fired again...

Glenn

pre 11 godina

@willi: no matter who you are, coward-albanian or undereducated german, actually it makes no difference - BUT, please learn english. your spelling is terrible.
(Jovan, 6 June 2012 12:52)

Here, let me fix this for you:
No matter who you are, whether a cowardly Albanian or an under-educated German (actually it makes no difference), please learn English. your spelling is terrible.

Jovan, if you are going to criticize someone on their command of English, I recommend that you first improve your grammar. ;) Having said that, I think that the point of comments in this forum is not to show our excellence in language, but rather to provide insight into our points of view about articles which are published.

Compromise is likely required in the current situation between Kosovo and Serbia, which means both sides will have to give something. Kosovo already has much more than autonomy (an entire government, taxation, control of borders, and so on), but less than full international recognition (UN membership, etc.) and little control of the north.

The only likely compromise solution would be full recognition by Serbia of Kosovo, with northern Kosovo either being almost entirely autonomous within Kosovo or becoming annexed to Serbia, almost certainly in exchange for part of eastern Serbia.

Marcus

pre 11 godina

"Force won't subdue Serbs - time for other solutions"

Sadly, what operation Storm, Maestral, Deliberate Force, Allied Force showed was that the Serb elite are only responsive to force. The fact that Nikolic hasn't connected the loss of Kosovo with Serbia's breach of the genocide convention (Bosnia v Serbia Judgement ICJ) is telling of a wider malaise of nationalist denial or indifference in Serbia - cf taglines that glorify the Srebrenica genocide "noz, zica, Srebrenica" (knife, wire, Srebrenica).

One can't help but feel sorry for the critical mass of people in Serbia that have not made the connection between the imperial policies of their state and the poor standard of living and general malaise of the country. The people are lost and they need moral guidance thus it is tragic that the Orthodox Church seems to have been on the bandwagon of a Greater Serbia concept that is typified by enemy-centrism rather than promoting Christian humanism, even if it means a more ecumenical approach.

Willi Pfaff

pre 11 godina

@sj

your wake up call .... and there will be more coming

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/eu-balkan-leaders-should-face-war-past?utm_source=Balkan+Insight+Newsletters&utm_campaign=2a9cb0e7b4-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email

TristanFromCanada

pre 11 godina

I'm not totally against the partition of KiM on the condition that partition of BiH and Croatia is also on the agenda.
(Zoran, 5 June 2012 16:35)

And then we would have a Kosovo situation in Croatia that would shoot tensions through the roof...not to mention give Serbs that reputation similar to the Albanians that stole that massive chunk of Serbian land that has been in Serbian hands (for the most part) since the Middle Ages...

Do you get my drift?

Don't give other Serbs a bad name, please.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@Glenn: I didn´t feel offended. I just think that there is a big difference between my mistakes and those made by some of our k-albanian friends here. and actually, they should be speaking english way better than they are doing it here... since it is their masters language.. at least the albanian girls who are so desperately trying to be "translators" in order to get into a relationship with some westerner ... you know, ...in order to get out of KiM and let this crippled society behind.

anyway, there is nothing to give to the k-albanians except guarantees that those Albanians who have not participated in hate-crimes against Serbs and those who belong to minorities in Serbia can stay in southern Serbia. all others who are caught on film, or where is any kind of evidence that they have done something of that kind... will have to look for a better future in Albania or somewhere else - because KiM is and will be serbian in the future.

no discussion with them, no compromise. take it or leave it. and if they leave, they will have to go, but without our territory.

and Glenn, there is no doubt about it, the US and their allies won´t stay forever... so be sure that you don´t fool yourselves when you tell us to compromise.

no offense, just an opinion. and rest assured, it is not only my personal view...

you are right, I do not agree with you, but that is okay.

Glenn

pre 11 godina

@Glenn: there is not much to improve for me, since my english is good enough, I guess. I speak several languages and if in a hurry( since contrary to our dear k-albanian friends I have a job ), I sometimes mix it up, but that´s not meant as an excuse and I think nobody will have a reason to laugh about my english though.

as for your idea of compromise: forget about it. there is nothing to bargain about, it is serbian territory we are talking about - and that means there is only one possible solution if you want peace and stability. liberation. fullstop.

the ottoman turks have learned their lesson, the germans had to learn it too, and todays occupiers and their albanian servants will learn it too. it is just a question of time.
(Jovan, 6 June 2012 20:00)

Jovan, no offense intended, just a little good-natured jab...

Compromise is not my idea. It is Serbia who has been talking about how the only path forward was compromise (non-stop) for the past few years. I was just saying that if you compromise, starting from where we are now, Kosovo will have to move even more towards independence. If you want to negotiate, you have to give something. Kosovo will have to give huge amounts of autonomy to the north.

I am not expecting that you will necessarily agree, but rather I suggest that you just wait a while and see what happens.

EU

pre 11 godina

No partition will take place in Kosovo, Bosnia or Croatia. Serbia needs to worry about Vojvodina in that case, also Presevo the valley of majority Albanians Bujanoc etc. Once again Serbia is in no position to propose any partition. All there is left to do deport illegal Serbians crossing the border into Kosovo and causing tensions and problems.

ben

pre 11 godina

Kosovo Albanians have had a lot of time to prove that they wouldn't discriminate against the ethnic minorities living in Kosovo and that Serbs can live safely in Kosovo. They failed to prove that.
(Helmut, 5 June 2012 15:48)

South of Ibar live 120,000 Serbs in peace. North of Ibar, the one you want to separate live 30,000 Serbs in barricades.

|Check your facts.

Plus Serbs are only one of the minorotes living in kosova. Never heard any Turk to complain, Croatian, Montenegrean.

Check your facts.

On the division proposal: swap is the correct word. North Koosva goes to Serbia, east Serbia to Kosova. Fair and clean.

Jerry

pre 11 godina

Ohhh Gallucci go home and leave this region alone, there is no need for your comments and advices any more.People like you are to blame for ethnic clashes and violence.

Bill

pre 11 godina

Gerard Gallucci usually is very onesided. He was during his time as an UMNIK peackeeper in Northern Mitrovica, and has been ever since. Certainly not somebody who is helpful to defuse the situation, and certainly does not have the credibilty needed in order to be accepted by both sides. His remarks concerning the current situation just show his onesidedness once more, and by doing so he disqualifies himself once again.

Willi Pfaff

pre 11 godina

there is absolutely no need to bargain with the Albanians about serbian territory.

south of Ibar is going to be liberated. one way or another. and no Obama, Bush or Gallucci is going to change anything in regard to this. Serbia will prevail, and when the time has come, we will see some Albanians moving to Albania. and only those who have not committed hate-crimes will have a place in southern Serbia.

our day will come.
(Jovan, 5 June 2012 16:56)

Serbia is turning into a country where facist ideas are openly spread throughout society. Very alarming situation, and an answer from the international community is on its way.

KOSO

pre 11 godina

"Force won't subdue Serbs - time for other solutions"

(Italian Accent) But why? Give-a-violence a-chance!


I've come to the conclusion that galluci lives in belgrade after being fired from UNmik and works in the shadows of the clownmanship of Belgrade...also known as the 'government'.

If Al'Qaeda can be sudued by bombs and bullets, so can these criminals. What do you serbs think you are, superhuman?


Sincerely,

ben

pre 11 godina

"The order for KFOR to upset peace and calm in Kosovo must have come from some cabbadost somewhere within the Quint who has not yet learned the lesson that force won't subdue the Serbs,"

what a rubbish man....

the action started at 8.40am and finished before 11.30 am... not even 2 hours to subdue them... reality check your blof is so cheap...

croatia-eu

pre 11 godina

I'm amazed that everytime Serbian posts run out of arguments, they start talking about Croatia

We don't care about your Kosovo issues. The whole world is tired of your nonsense. And your newly elected president is an insult to humanity.

Very sad indeed.

Helmut

pre 11 godina

Partition of Kosovo seems to be the best solution possible, with Kosovo south of Ibar and Albania simultaneously allowed to unite in Greater Albania.

Kosovo Albanians have had a lot of time to prove that they wouldn't discriminate against the ethnic minorities living in Kosovo and that Serbs can live safely in Kosovo. They failed to prove that.

Besim

pre 11 godina

What makes you think that Albanians in Serbia will not qet their rights. If Serbs in Kosovo push for autonomy or changing of borders the international community will not allow for any changes of borders or any such moves. As for now the barricades are going to be put down and Serbian parallel structures be dissolved. The NATO troops presence in that region has increased and they will not go away until their goal is accomplished. The increase in NATO troops in northern Kosovo has caused for the Russian diplomats in Serbia to say that NATO is accomplishing the dream for Greater Albania by trying to get Pristina control in northern Kosovo.

The reality is that NATO has had enough of these Serbian rebels in northern Kosovo and believes that especially after the Serbian elections to come up with a solution by firstly taking off the barricades which are an obstacle, then put up with any resistance which surely will not last long.

As for the Serbs living in Serbia i think that NATO will pay little attention to them as it is quite used to them by now.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

interesting.

not the article itself, which is rather the usual rubbish.

but interesting is that some Albanians still do not realize that this man is trying to promote a division in order to trick the Serbs into some kind of "bargain"...

but, there is absolutely no need to bargain with the Albanians about serbian territory.

south of Ibar is going to be liberated. one way or another. and no Obama, Bush or Gallucci is going to change anything in regard to this. Serbia will prevail, and when the time has come, we will see some Albanians moving to Albania. and only those who have not committed hate-crimes will have a place in southern Serbia.

our day will come.

Navi

pre 11 godina

30.000 Kosovo Serbs want autonomy. What about 300.000 Hungarians in Vojvodina or 60.000 Albanians in Presheva Valley?
(Avni, 5 June 2012 17:48)

They are not complaining. Life is good for them.

MikeC

pre 11 godina

"30.000 Kosovo Serbs want autonomy. What about 300.000 Hungarians in Vojvodina or 60.000 Albanians in Presheva Valley?"

Avni

30.000 serbs! What about the remaining 200.000 that have been expelled by drugsmugling albanians? And don't forget the greeks in south Albania. They want autonomy as well. And the serbs in Montenegro and Croatia. By the way, bosnian serbs want and deserve independence.
Let serbs and albanians fight for Kosovo. This time without NATO intervention. Serbs need 2-3 hours at the most. Then we won't have discusions like this.

Commentator

pre 11 godina

Galluccis judgement is very poor. He proposes only a shifting of the problem, without solving it and making it even worse. Actually, when analyzed more carefully, his proposal would not only freeze the conflict but put in concrete. What is the point of shifting borders (which is unlikely at best), when Serbia would still not recognize the South of Kosovo? Not even under best prognosis his ideas would be successful which makes it obvious that he is not interested in solving the conflict.

I read Galluccis statements from time to time and came to the conclusion that this guy simply acts out of emotion. There is no other explanation for his unsteady and not stringent position.

Johnny Mnamonic

pre 11 godina

Why should Serb accept division of Kosovo? Kosovo belong to Serbs, it is their land and their territory, its just under occupation at this moment. By accepting separation they will accept occupation as legit. But I also think that there should be serbian police and army in the north of kosovo (resolution 1244) because so far NATO and KFOR just listen Pristina and didnt protect Serbs. Remember 2004!! Albanians attack Serbs, burn churches, kill people! Remember that!

Balkan Anthropologist

pre 11 godina

Considering the number of angry, fearful, and pissed off Albanian comments that offer no other alternative solution, I'd say Gallucci hit one too many truths they know but refuse to acknowledge. Too bad. They had years to come up with something for Kosovo other than "do as we say or we'll riot." :)

Momcilo

pre 11 godina

@EU
Bujanovac and Vojvodina are no problem whatsoever. I've seen those albos there behave continuously, and there is no threat there at all. Nor nothing to worry about, esp with the Serb base right there in case of emergencies. You are living in a fantasy world. And yes.. Serbs do hold the bargaining chip, who are you kidding? We will not succumb to pressure forever, and as long as we keep a tight grip on the north of our province, we will soon enough liberate the rest. Only deal is to give autonomy to our province, and thats it. If you think that the fake govt in Pristina has earned some sort of right, you should seriously go take a walk and clear your head. Whether anyone likes it or not, no one in the EU sees anything productive from this illegal declaration. Criminals, trafficking, murder charges, organ removal, this is all that you have seen or heard from this fake declared stae. Who in their right mind, French, German, Dutch, Italian wants to see these guys at their meetings or at their government buildings. Answer is no one. Serbia's biggest bargaining chip is to keep doing what they're doing, worry about remaining peaceful and work with the EU, while those criminals continue to deal drugs from afghanistan, and eventually go down one by one, forcing the world to open their eyes.

:)

pre 11 godina

Serbs survived the Ottoman Empire, Austria-Hungary, Nazi Germany and NATO. What makes you think they will not survive this occupation of Kosovo? "Kud god da krenem tebi se vracam ponovo ko da mi otme iz muje duse Kosovo"

Willi Pfaff

pre 11 godina

@Jovan

rest assured, I am German, and Germany faced his facist past, learned from it. Something Serbia still needs to do, and I do not see any sign of this happeneing. Quite contrary, reeding the comments here, shows everybody how deep that kind of thinking is still enbeded in a lot of serbian people. A cleansing process needs to be started, unbiast reflection on your past is desperatly needed, and not nationalist, and lately even facist thinking. This kind of backwards thinking, getting lost in hate and even calls for war, or the elinination of all Albaniens like we see here on a daily basis, is something which is not good, makes Serbia look bad in the entire world, and does not bring peace.

ItalianoAmericano

pre 11 godina

"Partition of Kosovo seems to be the best solution possible, with Kosovo south of Ibar and Albania simultaneously allowed to unite in Greater Albania."

And Serbia gives up Presevo Valley and Bujanovac

Zoran

pre 11 godina

Serbia is turning into a country where facist ideas are openly spread throughout society. Very alarming situation, and an answer from the international community is on its way.
(Willi Pfaff, 5 June 2012 17:29)
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Yes Willi, fascism is on the rise but you only need to look in your own German backyard. Check -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oreSVIC7DhE

All former NAZI members are united again within NATO. NATO is now spreading death and destruction around the world, just like the NAZIs once did.

Of course Serbia is in the firing line. We always have been for resisting fascism. Just listen to what these desperate Albanians and their supporters (Willi, Roberto, etc..) are saying. They are endorsing further ethnic cleansing and genocide against Serbs. Shameful!

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

@dori:

our day will come, don´t you worry about that. and if you are located in tirana, you have nothing to fear, except global warming. because one day in the future you will find yourself under the sea level.


(Jovan, 6 June 2012 10:42)

@ aha Jovan. Now I understand why you don’t pretend more Tirana or Durres. With special relations that Serbs has with God they know that this part of Albanians lands will go under the sea. Till the time this happen, Kosova will be Albanian. So let the Adriatic Sea and global warming solve the problem. Thank you for funny time that you give me.

ben

pre 11 godina

(Willi Pfaff, 6 June 2012 12:14)

it does not surprise me the low level of those insulting the Europe's greatest democracy, the country that is bearing the greatest chunk of the EU funds that flows in support of their country. They are simply primitive uneducated unable people to face their miserable reality.

They are also very funny. They are unable to pronounce correctly 1/3 of the English alphabet yet accuse others for misspelling.

Vat can i say Will? dis is not vat a nice people would do or say.

On more serious note: the main problem here is in the lack of the western powers to help Kosova create a real and credible state. That is, they do not allow Kosova to develop true state capacities and that is in first place military force. Not only that are reluctant to help Kosova but they heavily limit her in ridiculously low numbers as 2,200 lightly armed mad. As if it was Kosova that attacked Serbia not the other way arround. This is the main problem. While the only language a bull understands is the language of force (see how obedient and silent are towards Croatia). The rest is simply waste of time. Serbians will respect Kosova ONLY when Kosova will have serious Army. Until then they will continue thinking that one day they can come back and expel, kill, burn us and will claim that they have “liberated” kosova, their garden- as they don’t live and never did like to live in Kosova.

Glenn

pre 11 godina

@willi: no matter who you are, coward-albanian or undereducated german, actually it makes no difference - BUT, please learn english. your spelling is terrible.
(Jovan, 6 June 2012 12:52)

Here, let me fix this for you:
No matter who you are, whether a cowardly Albanian or an under-educated German (actually it makes no difference), please learn English. your spelling is terrible.

Jovan, if you are going to criticize someone on their command of English, I recommend that you first improve your grammar. ;) Having said that, I think that the point of comments in this forum is not to show our excellence in language, but rather to provide insight into our points of view about articles which are published.

Compromise is likely required in the current situation between Kosovo and Serbia, which means both sides will have to give something. Kosovo already has much more than autonomy (an entire government, taxation, control of borders, and so on), but less than full international recognition (UN membership, etc.) and little control of the north.

The only likely compromise solution would be full recognition by Serbia of Kosovo, with northern Kosovo either being almost entirely autonomous within Kosovo or becoming annexed to Serbia, almost certainly in exchange for part of eastern Serbia.

TristanFromCanada

pre 11 godina

I'm not totally against the partition of KiM on the condition that partition of BiH and Croatia is also on the agenda.
(Zoran, 5 June 2012 16:35)

And then we would have a Kosovo situation in Croatia that would shoot tensions through the roof...not to mention give Serbs that reputation similar to the Albanians that stole that massive chunk of Serbian land that has been in Serbian hands (for the most part) since the Middle Ages...

Do you get my drift?

Don't give other Serbs a bad name, please.

Mendo

pre 11 godina

@ Steve Gligorijevic

It's not that you guys are patient but there is nothing you can do and never will.

Gallucui, well we all know how biased this guy is, it's no worth commenting about his opinion.

Marcus

pre 11 godina

"Force won't subdue Serbs - time for other solutions"

Sadly, what operation Storm, Maestral, Deliberate Force, Allied Force showed was that the Serb elite are only responsive to force. The fact that Nikolic hasn't connected the loss of Kosovo with Serbia's breach of the genocide convention (Bosnia v Serbia Judgement ICJ) is telling of a wider malaise of nationalist denial or indifference in Serbia - cf taglines that glorify the Srebrenica genocide "noz, zica, Srebrenica" (knife, wire, Srebrenica).

One can't help but feel sorry for the critical mass of people in Serbia that have not made the connection between the imperial policies of their state and the poor standard of living and general malaise of the country. The people are lost and they need moral guidance thus it is tragic that the Orthodox Church seems to have been on the bandwagon of a Greater Serbia concept that is typified by enemy-centrism rather than promoting Christian humanism, even if it means a more ecumenical approach.

dori tirana

pre 11 godina

south of Ibar is going to be liberated. one way or another. and no Obama, Bush or Gallucci is going to change anything in regard to this. Serbia will prevail, and when the time has come, we will see some Albanians moving to Albania. and only those who have not committed hate-crimes will have a place in southern Serbia.

our day will come.
(Jovan, 5 June 2012 16:56)

Yes Serbia will prevail from Belgrade to Tokyo. They have only one obstacle the Albanians of Ex-Yugoslavia. They try for almost one century to assimilate or to expel them to Albania or Turkey. The only success of “powerful” Serbia was some area near the Nis in today Serbia and Macedonia, a small area in Montenegro. And after that we still have Serbs here that think they can expel Albanians in 2 ore 3 hours. Even Milosevic was not so optimistic. Your day has gone. You had one century to realize your criminal dream to exterminate one entire nation, your neighbors from centuries Albanians. I said a dream but realy this was your national program. Read draft of Vasa Çubriloviç please. They resist to you only with their heart and spirit, now they have their state and alliance. The justice of God will prevail.

Invictus

pre 11 godina

@croatia-eu
If you dont care about Kosovo issue what the hell are you doing here?!?! You just jump in to your mouth.

Resolution 1244 should be respected and Serbian army should return to protect civilians from drug traffickers and human organ snatcher.

you cant kill 3600 people and when their family come for a retaliation you scream genocide and ask that dead should be count from one side only (with large exaggerations of your own death number) and ask to count from the date that suits you. And thats what Srebrenica lobby wants.
Just wach "Srebrenica a town betrayed"

Bill

pre 11 godina

Why so many comments about Galluci. When he was in Kosovo, no one listened to him. Now outside of Kosovo, he wants to effect the events there. He shouldn't waste his time and focus on his present job, before he is fired again...

Zoran

pre 11 godina

That is, they do not allow Kosova to develop true state capacities and that is in first place military force. Not only that are reluctant to help Kosova but they heavily limit her in ridiculously low numbers as 2,200 lightly armed mad.
(ben, 6 June 2012 13:57)
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LOL ben! You are a classic. Hey, here, I'll let your friend Hillary Clinton answer your concerns. Check -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqn0bm4E9yw

You see, they suspect that in 20 years time Albanians will be fighting against the US so they don't really want to arm you. They know terrorism is alive in K*-Albanians.

Invictus

pre 11 godina

@Will @Ben
Only thing that lack "Kosova" is credibility. "Kosova" is a illegal artificial creation and that is more and more evident. And thats not all, Albanians aggressivity, their plan for "Great Albania" (Kosovo field, Macedonia, Greece, Monenegro) is already proven EU that she was standing on the wrong side of a conflict.

As I sad resolution 1244 must be respected, Serbian army must enter Kosovo field in order to protect civilians left to mercy of Albanians, and year 2004 already taught us what that mean.

@Will
Wake up call? Do you mean Naser Oric genocide over 3600 Serbian civilians near Srebrenica prior to the july 1995? If not, ask yourself why nobody in EU dosnt addopt Srebrenica resolution so eggarly as predicted in earlier years?

Steve Gligorijevic

pre 11 godina

Mendo

You do not know our resolve, we can wait and when the time comes we will make you and others like you eat your words.

Steve Gligorijevic

pre 11 godina

Koso

We're better than you and that's what pisses you off. We don't hide behind anybody and issue threats like you people do, and the only criminals I see are those murdering slime in Prishtina. They will get their just deserts,. it's only a matter of time and we are patient

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@dori:

our day will come, don´t you worry about that. and if you are located in tirana, you have nothing to fear, except global warming. because one day in the future you will find yourself under the sea level.

@willi pfaff:
actually, like most of those "german", "italian" or "american" posters are actually coward-albanians trying to provoke anti-german,anti-italian or anti-american comments very likely willi pfaff is also just another of those smart-ass albanians who think to be real psychological genius-manipulators... =)

but even if willi pfaff was german, my only answer to him would be:

as far as we all have learned through history, fascism was quite succsessful amongst Germans, right?

kids, don´t be so pathetic, there must be more for you than just bringing up each and everytime the same old and worn out nonsense-stories about alleged illyrian descent, albanian "liberation from serbian boot" and even more stupid claims about Serbs spreading fascism. come on, I mean, you are not really THAT stupid, are you?

Zoran

pre 11 godina

I am German, and Germany faced his facist past, learned from it. Something Serbia still needs to do, and I do not see any sign of this happeneing. Quite contrary, reeding the comments here, shows everybody how deep that kind of thinking is still enbeded in a lot of serbian people. A cleansing process needs to be started, unbiast reflection on your past is desperatly needed, and not nationalist, and lately even facist thinking. This kind of backwards thinking, getting lost in hate and even calls for war, or the elinination of all Albaniens like we see here on a daily basis, is something which is not good, makes Serbia look bad in the entire world, and does not bring peace.
(Willi Pfaff, 6 June 2012 12:14)
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Poor Willi, you missed my video link. Here it is again -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oreSVIC7DhE

I dare you to watch it and see the type of fascism going on in Germany now. Read the Youtube comments coming from Germans, such as "Heil Hitler!", the top comment!

What you are saying about Serbians is in fact happening in Germany, in Albanian "Kosova"* and it is no surprise that fascists claim their victims support fascism. It is simply not true and has always been the NAZI way of manipulation.

Serbians are tolerant of other ethnicities. Time to wake up Willi and clean up your own backyard before lecturing others. You are a fraud and the reason you dislike Serbs is because we kicked your NAZI ancestors out of the Balkans.

Willi Pfaff

pre 11 godina

@sj

your wake up call .... and there will be more coming

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/eu-balkan-leaders-should-face-war-past?utm_source=Balkan+Insight+Newsletters&utm_campaign=2a9cb0e7b4-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@dori:

the only dudes that are funny in here are the albanians actually! it is really an interesting issue with you Albanians, you tend to write some of the weirdest bullshit ever seen, but you dare to call others "funny" if they tell you something that is common knowledge today. well you are a funny nation yourselves, or like your own scholars say, you albanians like to dream... and by the way, there is no special divine connection needed at all to predict what will happen with coastal regions in europe. but that´s something won´t affect you personally, so no reason to whine about.

when the time has come for you to move to the south into the albanian mountains you will be amused too, I guess. just remember one thing: the US won´t stay forever, so your little freak creation that you call "kosovaah" will be abolished or to put it right southern Serbia will be liberated. sooner or later.

@willi: no matter who you are, coward-albanian or undereducated german, actually it makes no difference - BUT, please learn english. your spelling is terrible.

sj

pre 11 godina

(ben, 5 June 2012 17:16)
Hey bright boy, you kicked out everyone else including ethnic Turks, Croats and even you muslim Roma; these poor people live outside of Serb enclaves because they are afraid of your non Roma Albanians.
(Willi Pfaff, 5 June 2012 17:29)
Hey wolfy, which international community id that? Wake me up when they launch they take action.

30.000 Kosovo Serbs want autonomy. What about 300.000 Hungarians in Vojvodina or 60.000 Albanians in Presheva Valley?
(Avni, 5 June 2012 17:48)
This no 60000 Albanians in preshavo left, but the Hungarians are free to launch whatever action they see fit but to break away you have to be in one location not spread all over Vojvodina mate.

(Besim, 5 June 2012 20:04)
When NATO is ready let them launch their operation LOL. By the way the barricades are back up again but I’m sure that mighty windbag NATO will take action – perhaps they can bake a cake for their next move.
Albanians always waiting for someone else to do their dirty work, but perhaps your Pristina goat herders can do something LOL

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@Glenn: there is not much to improve for me, since my english is good enough, I guess. I speak several languages and if in a hurry( since contrary to our dear k-albanian friends I have a job ), I sometimes mix it up, but that´s not meant as an excuse and I think nobody will have a reason to laugh about my english though.

as for your idea of compromise: forget about it. there is nothing to bargain about, it is serbian territory we are talking about - and that means there is only one possible solution if you want peace and stability. liberation. fullstop.

the ottoman turks have learned their lesson, the germans had to learn it too, and todays occupiers and their albanian servants will learn it too. it is just a question of time.

Peggy

pre 11 godina

I am German, and Germany faced his facist past, learned from it. Something Serbia still needs to do, and I do not see any sign of this happeneing.
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Serbia never had a fascist past. That was only you and your muppets.
Serbia fought against fascism and you know it so why make a fool of yourself now by accusing Serbia of the very thing you were and a lot of you still are.
It was evident when Germany united, west Germany was going to be infested with Nazis again. Pity.

Glenn

pre 11 godina

@Glenn: there is not much to improve for me, since my english is good enough, I guess. I speak several languages and if in a hurry( since contrary to our dear k-albanian friends I have a job ), I sometimes mix it up, but that´s not meant as an excuse and I think nobody will have a reason to laugh about my english though.

as for your idea of compromise: forget about it. there is nothing to bargain about, it is serbian territory we are talking about - and that means there is only one possible solution if you want peace and stability. liberation. fullstop.

the ottoman turks have learned their lesson, the germans had to learn it too, and todays occupiers and their albanian servants will learn it too. it is just a question of time.
(Jovan, 6 June 2012 20:00)

Jovan, no offense intended, just a little good-natured jab...

Compromise is not my idea. It is Serbia who has been talking about how the only path forward was compromise (non-stop) for the past few years. I was just saying that if you compromise, starting from where we are now, Kosovo will have to move even more towards independence. If you want to negotiate, you have to give something. Kosovo will have to give huge amounts of autonomy to the north.

I am not expecting that you will necessarily agree, but rather I suggest that you just wait a while and see what happens.

Jovan

pre 11 godina

@Glenn: I didn´t feel offended. I just think that there is a big difference between my mistakes and those made by some of our k-albanian friends here. and actually, they should be speaking english way better than they are doing it here... since it is their masters language.. at least the albanian girls who are so desperately trying to be "translators" in order to get into a relationship with some westerner ... you know, ...in order to get out of KiM and let this crippled society behind.

anyway, there is nothing to give to the k-albanians except guarantees that those Albanians who have not participated in hate-crimes against Serbs and those who belong to minorities in Serbia can stay in southern Serbia. all others who are caught on film, or where is any kind of evidence that they have done something of that kind... will have to look for a better future in Albania or somewhere else - because KiM is and will be serbian in the future.

no discussion with them, no compromise. take it or leave it. and if they leave, they will have to go, but without our territory.

and Glenn, there is no doubt about it, the US and their allies won´t stay forever... so be sure that you don´t fool yourselves when you tell us to compromise.

no offense, just an opinion. and rest assured, it is not only my personal view...

you are right, I do not agree with you, but that is okay.