“Bosnia-Herzegovina exists only on paper”

I agree. Put a fork in it, she's done like dinner. Bosnia is history, and good riddance!
Cheers!!

The West was highly instrumental in the break up of the former Yugoslavia, yet they are trying by all means to keep a mini version of Yugoslavia in BiH. I too, do not see the Serbs, Croats, and Bosniaks ever joining hands in the same kolo. Again, good work US/EU, like your success in Kosovo, BiH is right behind it.

He assessed that the U.S., France and Great Britain had degraded political development in the Balkans by 20 to 30 years.
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If the Croats want an entity in BiH then the Serbs get an entity in Croatia. If they want their entity to join Croatia then the Serb entity in Croatia should separate also.

BiH is a failure, "Kosova"* is a failure and in fact the West is a failure. They have just managed to spread death, destruction and instability throughout the world and it hasn't stopped.

Those, however, who still thirst for territories remember this. You put Bosnia on the table, and you will see Vojvodina, Sandzak, Macedonia, Montenegro and North Greece, as well. There won't be a buffet for Serbs only if somebody tries it. And if so you can mark all those mentioned territories as battle fields.
(Commentator, 31 May 2012 17:50)

Germany and the neocon war criminals in Washington should have thought about that before trying to steal Serbian land and award it to their loyal servants, the organ snatchers. Everything already IS on the table, if Kosovo can separate, so can anyone anywhere. Don't you get that?
Oh, and don't worry about Vojvodina, it is overwhelmingly Serbian. And don't worry about Sandzak either, it is a tiny area that is not self-governable, and many of the muslims there are pro-Serb.

Again, if multi-ethnic Yugoslavia can be split up, well then so can multi-ethnic Bosnia. Get that through your anti-Serb head.
Cheers!!

Hey, Zorane,

If everything is a failure (Bosnia, Kosovo, even the entire "west"), what does that make an unemployed guy who failed at life in 'the west' and isn't making much of a go of it in Serbia either?

Just a-wonderin'
(Danilo, 31 May 2012 15:42)
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What a desperate man resorting to insults. Why don't you explain to us again how you are a success with Serbian woman in clubs.

SNS victory makes many things real. Together with the increasing crisis and Russian support it may bring good harvest for Serbs living both on the Mainland and outside. While BH is a good place to start the revival with. If the lands are back home the Serbian spirit with no reverse speed will also be back. It will help the other neighbors to get rid of the illusions and take Serbia serious. Tadic has dumped the reputation coz he was the same kind of a puppet as the other local rulers are.

well from looking at RS it is already seperated in reality, and brcko will join RS thats for sure, its a serb majority and RS will join serbia. then krajina should also get its independance atleast full autonomy with serbian government to start because those are ancient serbian lands and not croatian. there should also be pressure on serbia and the croatian government to have all serb property rebuilt and the people to return to their home lands of krajina as soon as possible since there was over 700,000 people that lived there and now 250,000 serbs that should be done right away just like russia and a few other countries krjina is not done yet.

What a desperate man resorting to insults. Why don't you explain to us again how you are a success with Serbian woman in clubs.
(Peggy, 31 May 2012 16:11)

Yep, his frustration is showing. I guess that date with bganon didn't go so well. :)
Cheers!!

If Serbia and Montenegro had recognized Kosovo in soon after 1999, the West would have created an Independent Montenegro, because that was their Evil Plan.

They would have done this with economic sanctions, as they did, and Montenegro only looked for Independence because of the Economic Problems.

It should be compared to the Many Irish who leave Ireland for America and elsewhere not because they did not Ireland, but because of the Dire Economic Circumstances.

It is like the Continental European who left Europe after the Second World War, and it was only because of Economic reasons.

Therefore, to say that the Montenegrins did not want to be a part of Yugoslavia or Serbia and Montenegro is a Lie.

Other Lies are that President Tomislav Nikolic is a Slobodan Milosevic for wanting better relations with a Neighbouring Country is pathetic, because even the European Union says that Serbia should have Good Neighbourly Relations.

Serbia will never recognize Kosovo under any circumstances; and the time has come to tell the Kosovo Albanians of Serbia’s Province of Kosovo that they have Autonomy based on word for word of the United Nations Six Point Plan for Kosovo.

I totaly agree. Personaly i see a Balkan were Serbia includes Republika Srbska, the northen part of Kosovo, where serbs live and some parts of Macedonia. I live in Tirana and i don't wan't a big Albania because of the different cultural levels and the radicalism of albanians in Kosovo and Macedonia (in Albania, the mosques are always empty and i am myself an orthodox), but is not the official Tirana pushing behind the wheels, so i think probably we will include the albanian part of macedonia and the rest of Kosovo. A big queston for me will be the future of montenegro? However, we, the people of albania and serbia have nothing to worry. No one of us, nether our governements can do anything. This is high politics, i mean US, Russia and Chinese interest will determine everything

If everything is a failure (Bosnia, Kosovo, even the entire "west"), what does that make an unemployed guy who failed at life in 'the west' and isn't making much of a go of it in Serbia either?

Just a-wonderin'
(Danilo, 31 May 2012 15:42)
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Are you trying to offer me a job? Hmmm, let me think about that.

So lets get this straight, you are someone who gets extorted (hasn't happened to me), gets ripped off by taxi drivers in Serbia (hasn't happened to me either, in fact, I find them very polite), gets shouted at by border police (well, they've been impolite but never have they shouted), can't get a Serbian girl (no surprises there, they want successful guys).

I think I'll pass but we can catch up for a rakija.

Engineer,

The problem: there is a country "A" where two peoples "B" and "C" live who don't like each other and want to have separate countries. Relative density of polulation is different in different parts of the country, polulation is mixed, more or less compact enclaves don't exist. The question is: if the country is to be divided where to place a border and how could this question be solved by referendum?

"You put Bosnia on the table, and you will see Vojvodina, Sandzak, Macedonia, Montenegro and North Greece, as well."

Commentator

Don't try to scare us with your empty threats. Why didn't you put Kosovo, Norhtern Epirus in Albania (with a greek minority) and Croatia on the table? You seem to think that only Christian territory is up for grabs. While muslim territory is not to be touched. Even though muslims came to the balkans with the turks, long after the Christians.
The world is tired of the Bosnian freak show. They also know that serbs are not the enemy but radical islam is.
RS will become independent, mark my words.

my dear k-albanian friend, how dare you to write about the Serbs believing in myths, when it is just the opposite! it is you Albanians who desperately cling to the illyrian myth in order to legitimize your so desperately wished land-theft... you should get some info on that from your very own albanian scholars, like Ardian Vebiu, Ardian Qosi, Fatos Lubonja or Kaplan Resuli for example. even your own albanian scholars say something completely different from that crap that you are so desperately trying to spread here...

so, I cannot but smile about the level of ignorance amonst our dear k-albanian friends, who in some cases have not even the guts to post under an albanian nickname!

if you scroll down you will find one of them signing as

"italian" - just another k-albanian coward hiding behind a foreign nickname...


you have no history, no tradition, no artifacts, actually nothing but your dreams and wishful thinking... but that won´t help you.

you will lose in the end, and Serbia will prevail.

just a question of time.

Why Serbia can take Vojvodina ? that was always Hungarian you should get Kosovo back once you give Vojvodiana to Hungarians.
(Bilbao, 31 May 2012 19:37)

You obviously need a history lesson. Ever heard of the Treaty of Trianon?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Trianon
After WWI, Serbia was awarded Vojvodina for their great valour and sacrifice. You see, just like albanians, Croats, and Bosnian muslims, the Hungarians are always on the wrong side in the world wars, and they paid for it.
Cheers!!

My solution for this is Bosnia should form with Serbia and Montenegro one state.
It would be better if they did that in 1992 but still it is possible, even if the Croats want they should also join.
That way we will be a strong country in the Balkans and south eastern Europe. We share(same language/same culture/same traditions/same people)
Ungfortunalty 2 things are in the way..
1. Religion
2. The last war in 1991 and people who cannot get over it,
if those people are out of politics we should form one new state!

But again its the will of the citizen of these countries.
United we stand divided we fall....

I hope it will not be another war: Once bitten twice shy!

Zoran Serbs lost the war in Croatia its too late to ask for that, its like Alzas in France was German french took it back Germany can not ask for it anymore.
(Engineer, 31 May 2012 15:24)
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Croatians lost the war in BiH, so what happens if RS splits? Croatians are still stuck with the Muslims, which they won't be happy about. Now with the Serbs, the Croats form the majority in BiH so if they want to split from the Muslims, we can make that happen but they will need to return Serbian land in Croatia.

It sounds like a fair deal to me.

Hey, Zorane,

If everything is a failure (Bosnia, Kosovo, even the entire "west"), what does that make an unemployed guy who failed at life in 'the west' and isn't making much of a go of it in Serbia either?

Just a-wonderin'

@Avni and @commentator
First off Avni.. the borders are set now. Obviously you havent been to Bosnia lately, because the borders would not change from what they are now. Many dont go to the federation, from the Republic of Srpska. So reality on the ground, would not change. THey tried to run Bosnia thru the Muslim govt..and thank God for Dodik, who will have no part of it. Horrible statement Avni..
Secondly anti Serb commentator.. you obviously have not seen that many territories have already been snagged from us Serbs, your talk is complete non sense. YOu dont believe that Sandzak cld separate do you? Or Vojvodina? Serbia will get bigger once it assumes Republic of Srpska in the next decade. All your fierce words are just nonsense..and u are trying to stir the pot.

I do not understand why in balkans they do not do what they did in Canada or if they like Scotland which could bring it to Referendum in that territory.

I was this weekend in Canada and changing channels I saw some show about Quebec Referendum where only residents of Quebec voted if they wanted to leave or stay part of Canada and they where looking to compare with Scotland.

Why they do not take a vote in the following places:

#1 Republic Serbska Take a referendum on the territory of RS and only people living there like in Quebec choose YES or NO ( this is pure democracy) and then if they choose to join Serbia or be a country.
#2 Kosovo take a referendum in that territory and if they want independence so be it as well if they choose to join Albania after or not their choice.

This are big territories in Balkans it wont start spiting further and if other places in the world do so what look Sudan did it as well Referendum and only south voted this is how it should be.

Montenegro the same in 2006.

And do not bring genocide or other stuff in Bosnia everyone is living in someones secret land before and all people have cased pain to other group.

Can people tell me why this should not be the solution be it Serb, K-Albanians, Croat ?

Let PEOPLE VOTE !!!!

He assessed that the U.S., France and Great Britain had degraded political development in the Balkans by 20 to 30 years.
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If the Croats want an entity in BiH then the Serbs get an entity in Croatia. If they want their entity to join Croatia then the Serb entity in Croatia should separate also.

BiH is a failure, "Kosova"* is a failure and in fact the West is a failure. They have just managed to spread death, destruction and instability throughout the world and it hasn't stopped.
(Zoran, 31 May 2012 14:41)

Zoran Serbs lost the war in Croatia its too late to ask for that, its like Alzas in France was German french took it back Germany can not ask for it anymore.

vojvodina was till 1918 under Hungary they can not ask for some entity there, Bosnia I think as below should have referendum but in Croatia is gone learn to pick your fight that you can win not ask for everything and end up with nothing.

Referendum my friend is pure Democracy and please do not bring north Kosovo that is 3 villages and half a city neighborhoods can not ask for referendums just like Hungarians in Vojvodina.

@ Tirina Boy...Bravo !!!I completely agree...my brother in Albania can you ask your people to pray for us? I have a further suggestion to the commentators that hate...why don't we first clean up our own houses and not worry about our neighbors unless they have constructive things to say...and we will find out quickly...We Don't Need Borders To Divide Us!!! We should pray to God, that he forgives our sins because we forgive those that sin against...is this not who we are???

No one of us, nether our governements can do anything. This is high politics, i mean US, Russia and Chinese interest will determine everything
(tirana boy, 31 May 2012 16:44)

tirana boy,
High politics (US, Russia and Chinese) could play only if local peoples can't make agreement among themselves.

It would be interesting to see what the Bosniaks would do if this Dodik declared independence. Or, would it make any difference if Bosnia is in any case a formal international country?

Or is Dodik waiting to seal a partnership with the Catholics of Western Hercegovina - something which presumably would indeed kill off Bosnia.

No doubt, war would then start between Croats and Bosniaks.
And finally, there would be borders.

The wars in the Balkans will only stop when the borders between the tribes have been concluded.

For example, the ethnic border in Kosovo, up there in the middle of Mitrovica.

The EU, of course, prefers to pay than really solve political problems - it is too weak and feeble to do so.

The USA solves political problems, chasing Milosevic out of Kosovo, but it always goes away again - it is a separate continent.

And Russia offers a little encouragement here, a little bribery there, playing the little Balkan tribes off against each other, always looking to gain some tactical advantage against "Djadja Sam".

And of course the hypocrites from the Gulf, haters of the West who live off the West, pumping their petro-dollars not into research, but into the expansion of their evil creed, every Balkan village must have its minaret, muezzin and Salafist Imam.

The little Balkan tribes get shuffled about on the chess board, too foolish to see that solving the issues with their neighbours would force out all the parasitic outsiders feeding on their decaying carcass.

What about Hungarian lands that were stolen by Yugoslavia and the west?
Anyhow Serbs and Croats should split Bosnia.

there won`t be border changes ,western simply won`t allow it even if it`s going to take the balkan countries more than a decade to realise that they`re going no where with the "bigger territory" politics , every country in balkans sux economically so if there are needed changes in such high level , all have to wait the permission of usa , russia and they won`t let it , otherwise there can be changes only in balkan nations agree on a mutual solution , which won`t happen in 100 years time.

Imo the solution is : dividing in ethnical borders , croatian bosnia to croatia , serbian to serbia , bosniaks form a country on their own , north kosovo goes to serbia , kosovo goes to albania together with presheva valley , western macedonia to albania and everybody is happy (except macedonians I guess?)

"U.S. National Defense University (NDU) Professor Steven Meyer"

Who? Seriously can anyone who says something bad about Bosnia-Herzegovina get an article on B92? Also anyone politician who says that the RS will break away is lying and just trying to get votes. Only big and powerful countries can get away with building a country based on genocide and ethnic cleansing, and Serbia is neither.

Engineer.

"Can people tell me why this should not be the solution be it Serb, K-Albanians, Croat ?

Let PEOPLE VOTE !!!!"

I'll tell you why this should not be the solution. Because everyone from the West is opposed to it.
They declared all Yugoslavian republics indivisible - with panel of European legal expert producing Badinter's oppinion. In it, they claimed that all Yugoslavian republics are indivisible - Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Serbia and Macedonia.
Then they went against their own legal experts and decided that Serbia is divisible, while other are not....

Why not let people vote as you said? It could be something acceptable to all. But not to the West.

Tirana boy

Well spoken tirana boy!

In that case you better prepare for another war because Bosniaks will never be happy with these borders.

This is fantageopolitic!
There is no solution in Bosnia. They will learn to survive and get over differences soon or late.
The only solution I see is over Kosovo. Exchange of territories or full recognition.
Exchange of territories PMB for North Kosovo could be a Pandora Box while the recognition is mainly difficult because whoever makes a deal like this would be treated as a traitor in Serbian myths lovers.
A country who base the official history on myths in the school books is not ready for that.
Serbia must change culturally before facing this. Is a shame that nobody have asked forgiveness for what Serbia planned in Kosovo.
The problem is that the world is not ready to wait serbs to grow up. So, soon or late Kosovo will get officially accepted in UN and Serbia will have another myth to cry over it.
I recommend you have a look over the Kadare interview on Nin magazine.

(Sarajevo1941, 1 June 2012 03:16)

Hey buddy, I'm all for a independant Bosnian which has its grass roots entrenched in the ottoman empire, nazi germany and iran, but I dont think the serbs want to be apart of that country, just like bosnians did not want to be apart of yugoslavia.. I'm not even serb but fair is fair, just declare independance from rep srpska, or r u after more land?

Again an isolated voice of an unknown person. It is interesting to see that some really try to destroy the Dayton Peace Treaty and then assuming that this won't end in another war. Bosnia is currently disfunctional because it is no democracy. Give each person one vote with no vetos from either side, abolish those genocide entities and see what happens. That is the only (peaceful) solution.

Those, however, who still thirst for territories remember this. You put Bosnia on the table, and you will see Vojvodina, Sandzak, Macedonia, Montenegro and North Greece, as well. There won't be a buffet for Serbs only if somebody tries it. And if so you can mark all those mentioned territories as battle fields.

well, my dear k-albanian friend, by now I think everyone will have well, well, my dear k-albanian friend, by now I think everyone will realized that you are an Albanian. =)

by the way, Noel Malcolm , ...well, who do you think has sponsored his book that most Albanians are referring to? humm? whutcha think boy? do some research, Sherlock! =)

you did a quite lousy research actually, and please don´t start to babble about ignorance when you don´t know what you´re talking about. as for your "arguments" unlike you I will just stick to facts without using swear-words. like this albanian scholar has said it: if you question their views they get very angry =)

well, according to you a scholar is not entitled to do scientific work on the alleged illyrian descent unless he is a post-graduate historian? well, if you say so it must be right then, ...right?

let me clear it up a bit. scholar is a wider term and it is not necessarily meant to mean only "historian", and if you should check my previous post, I didn´t even claim them to be historians, but thats also not important.

what IS important however: the fact that these Albanians ( okay in Mr.Resuli´s case only half-albanian ) are just saying the same like other non-albanian scholars, but you are the ones who are ignoring facts, be it linguistic, archeological or even sociological facts.

as for your nice quote,I have one for you: if you can´t answer a man´s argument, nothing is lost, you can still give him vile names!

@ Dragan..After WWI, Serbia was awarded Vojvodina for their great valour and sacrifice. You see, just like albanians, Croats, and Bosnian muslims, the Hungarians are always on the wrong side in the world wars, and they paid for it.

Wrong side in the wars you say...I don't see the Serbian flag flying high in Knin & Pristina. NATO forces bombed Beograd because they the Serbs were on the wrong side. Serbia has shrunk dramatically in size since 1990 and you say that we were on the wrong side..!Comments from Serbs in the site are laughable.

Serbs have their national state - Serbia, Croats - their own - Craoatia - it is a fact. And now these two want 2/3 of Bosnia as well and to leave us Bosnians divided in 2 enclaves - being majority as we are in our own country like Palestinians 1948. Serbs and Croats can get what they want and get away even with genocides - and Bosnians can not even exist. Wet dreams of serb and croat radicals - ONLY !

Sorry ! First defeat 2 millions of Bosnians now that we have army and are all heavily armed, merciless against our enemies and ready to defend ourselves, and then divide our country ! We will see what will EU, NATO, US, and our other friends will do if you try to do that !

Bosnian economy and political system do not function because they get subverted by Serbs and Croats, and to be honest Serbia and Croatia have crappy economy too - so division would not make things better - on contrary.

Finally - Bosnia has enough friends and power to support separatist movements of Bosniaks in Sanjak, Albanians in Presevo and soon our friends from Hungary will look to save Vojvodina from serbian yoke. If Bosnia can be divided - Serbia and Croatia must and will (by force if needed) be atomised. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.

to the Albanian who claims to be italian:

"Despite the fact that all international historians tell us another story regarding your country you still believe on myths"

all "international" historians? =)

I mentioned four albanian scholars, and you?
you won´t come up with Noel Malcolm now, will you? =)

come on dude, do yourself a favour and don´t make a fool of yourself with your ineffective attempts...

by the way: Serbs know their own history, Albanians are a nation that likes to dream, and that is something an albanian scholar, Fatos Lubonja has said!

"That's the way it is with our culture, which is mythomaniac, national-communist, romantic, self-glorifying. You can't say anything objective without people getting angry. The Albanians are a people who still dream. "

you can go on signing with "italian", because you are disclosing yourself through the nonsense you write. it´s that simple.

as a sidenote, my dear k-albanian friend: it is quite naive to claim to be italian, because, the Italians I know, have a quite different view of you Albanians... and, I think they have their reasons.

cheers, my k-albanian friend.

the problem with you albanian wannabee´s is that you are only picking up selective "arguments" that suit your narrow world-view and at the same time avoid or even defraud arguments that do not fit into your wishful thinking.

unfortunately, for you of course, it is the same with you though.

the bottomline is: there is no need for exclusive mentioning of biased historians, if you were honest you would not deny those other albanian scholars the right to work on this issue.

and STILL an even more important fact is: there are no artifacts, no excavations, no written or linguistic proof of any kind that even only indicates a connection between the ancient illyrians and todays Albanians. honest Albanians would admit that. but you don´t. and that says a lot about you, my dear k-albanian friend.

Mr. Kaplan Resuli is indeed a bi-national individual, but thats not important actually. what is of interest, is that he is an "Albanologist", but in your eyes that is no scholar of course.. last but not least, Ardian Vehbiu is also not albanian right? =)

why are some Albanians so eagerly degrading themselves, I will never understand, actually...

cheers mate, you made my day! really!

as for your exaggerated mentioning of N.Malcolm as a historian, by hysterically writing it in bold letters: historian, perhaps. but no expert at all, and even in a review printed in "foreign affairs" his work is seen as only partly successful, and he emerges as a "amateur historian"... so if you are so eager to lecture here, please do it correctly. or in case you are not capable of doing it, just be quiet.

@skifteri: there is only one thing futile here: your ineffective attempts to spread your illyrian wishful thinking here!

as for Mr. Resuli, ...I doubt he is a serbian agent, rather a bi-national, but calling him serbian agent because his views do not fit into your narrow-minded world-view says enought about you,too! =)

there is no such thing like serb propaganda to form... it is simple truth, and you don´t like it, that´s all.

you have no history, well, not that history that you are claiming. and that is the thorn that is sticking in your flesh and will never cease to exist....

by the way, Mr.Vehbiu or Mr.Lubonja are also serb-agents? =)

you are so funny, skifteri, you don´t know HOW funny!

Germany and the neocon war criminals in Washington should have thought about that before trying to steal Serbian land and award it to their loyal servants, the organ snatchers. Everything already IS on the table, if Kosovo can separate, so can anyone anywhere. Don't you get that?
Oh, and don't worry about Vojvodina, it is overwhelmingly Serbian. And don't worry about Sandzak either, it is a tiny area that is not self-governable, and many of the muslims there are pro-Serb.

Again, if multi-ethnic Yugoslavia can be split up, well then so can multi-ethnic Bosnia. Get that through your anti-Serb head.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 31 May 2012 18:16)

Why Serbia can take Vojvodina ? that was always Hungarian you should get Kosovo back once you give Vojvodiana to Hungarians.

Dear Jovan or Giovanni how we would spell it here,
If you wish from now on I could use an albanian nickname but this doesn't change the fact that I'm Italian.
Despite the fact that all international historians tell us another story regarding your country you still believe on myths. Go on! Your choice.
Just think about. Why your history is not accepted by any serious scholar around the world?!
I have great serb friends that consider your kind the tragedy of their country.
Hi Dragan,
you wrote: You see, just like albanians, Croats, and Bosnian muslims, the Hungarians are always on the wrong side in the world wars, and they paid for it.
Are you serious?! Do you really mean what you wrote?!
Because in that case you must forget all territories you lost between 92-99

"then krajina should also get its independance atleast full autonomy with serbian government to start because those are ancient serbian lands and not croatian."

Umm...no it's not...you might want to review your Serbian/Turkish/Ottoman/AUSTRIAN history.

Sure, Bosnia is quite the lost cause, but leave Croatia out of this. Thanks.

Noel Malcolm, President of the Anglo-Albanian Association (or at least was in the mid to late 1990s), something that he doesn't like to advertise lest it undermines his claims of being non-partisan historian...

Via Amazon:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Albania-Albanians-Selected-Articles-1903-1944/dp/1850439397 noel malcom, president of the anglo-albanian society

Via Albanian Mail:
http://www.albanianmail.co.uk/sc/print.php?id=1229517274&archive=

Via UK Albanians Network:
http://www.ukalbanians.net/pavaresia-eshte-dashur-te-shpallet-menjehere-pas-luftes/

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Fnbw1wsacSAC&pg=PA116&lpg=PA116&dq=anglo-albanian+association%2Bnoel+malcolm&source=bl&ots=vyH7rmKmZ_&sig=ARTxd3MBOZ-_hDlYSkoDlP3-tTw&hl=en&ei=OGOASs2AGuLMjAetr5XxAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=anglo-albanian%20association%2Bnoel%20malcolm&f=false
p116: Malcolm, Noel (1956.12.26-). Brisith scholar and historian... He is currently president of the Anglo-Albanian Association in London"

http://www.anglo-albanian.org.uk/

Zoran, Danilo

Guys, will you offer me a chance to learn to understand you better in a civilized (emotions welcomed) chat in Znak pitanja, for example the 10th of June?

You are funny guy and you made my day with your claims about who I am and were I come from.
By the way, believe what you want. "As the proverb says, never argue with an idiot! They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"
OK! I made some search and
1) there is no HISTORY work published under Dr. Kaplan Resuli Burovich who actually is not Albanian but Serb or Montenegrin of maybe muslim origins. So, at least admit he is NOT Albanian and he is NOT historian scholar.
In fact he claimed:
While I was languishing in the infamous jail Burel, ten times they skinned me alive, literally, wanting from
me to abandon my yugoslavian (montenegrin) citizenship, the yugoslavian (montenegrin) nationality, my ideals, even my children. They were forcing me to declare myself an Albanian, not only as citizen, but in nationality (ethnicity).
2) Fatos Lubonja and Ardian Vehbiu are NOT historians and they have no academic titles to make historian claims. Both of them are TV, media opinion makers.
Both of them are part of aromanian MINORITY in Albania.
3) Dr. Ardian Qosi doesn't exist at all on any work published unless Serbian forums. Sorry to say but history can't be written on forums. Go and have some published scholar work my dear.
And YES, N. Malcolm is a HISTORIAN!
Conclusion:
No one of the people you mentioned to be a historian and Albanian is NOT!
They are simply ignorants on the mater.

As Scott Adams said: "When did ignorance become a point of view?"

@ Jovan

Serbian propaganda will never be accepted in the International History Books for scholars. Your efforts to get Albanians to believe on your posted BS are futile. First try forming a common ground with other serb propganda machines on Albanian origins.

PS
The so called serb agent turned Albanologist full name is
Kaplan Resul Burovich.

He assessed that the U.S., France and Great Britain had degraded political development in the Balkans by 20 to 30 years.
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If the Croats want an entity in BiH then the Serbs get an entity in Croatia. If they want their entity to join Croatia then the Serb entity in Croatia should separate also.

BiH is a failure, "Kosova"* is a failure and in fact the West is a failure. They have just managed to spread death, destruction and instability throughout the world and it hasn't stopped.
(Zoran, 31 May 2012 14:41)

Zoran Serbs lost the war in Croatia its too late to ask for that, its like Alzas in France was German french took it back Germany can not ask for it anymore.

vojvodina was till 1918 under Hungary they can not ask for some entity there, Bosnia I think as below should have referendum but in Croatia is gone learn to pick your fight that you can win not ask for everything and end up with nothing.

Referendum my friend is pure Democracy and please do not bring north Kosovo that is 3 villages and half a city neighborhoods can not ask for referendums just like Hungarians in Vojvodina.

He assessed that the U.S., France and Great Britain had degraded political development in the Balkans by 20 to 30 years.
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If the Croats want an entity in BiH then the Serbs get an entity in Croatia. If they want their entity to join Croatia then the Serb entity in Croatia should separate also.

BiH is a failure, "Kosova"* is a failure and in fact the West is a failure. They have just managed to spread death, destruction and instability throughout the world and it hasn't stopped.

Hey, Zorane,

If everything is a failure (Bosnia, Kosovo, even the entire "west"), what does that make an unemployed guy who failed at life in 'the west' and isn't making much of a go of it in Serbia either?

Just a-wonderin'

"U.S. National Defense University (NDU) Professor Steven Meyer"

Who? Seriously can anyone who says something bad about Bosnia-Herzegovina get an article on B92? Also anyone politician who says that the RS will break away is lying and just trying to get votes. Only big and powerful countries can get away with building a country based on genocide and ethnic cleansing, and Serbia is neither.

In that case you better prepare for another war because Bosniaks will never be happy with these borders.

I agree. Put a fork in it, she's done like dinner. Bosnia is history, and good riddance!
Cheers!!

This is fantageopolitic!
There is no solution in Bosnia. They will learn to survive and get over differences soon or late.
The only solution I see is over Kosovo. Exchange of territories or full recognition.
Exchange of territories PMB for North Kosovo could be a Pandora Box while the recognition is mainly difficult because whoever makes a deal like this would be treated as a traitor in Serbian myths lovers.
A country who base the official history on myths in the school books is not ready for that.
Serbia must change culturally before facing this. Is a shame that nobody have asked forgiveness for what Serbia planned in Kosovo.
The problem is that the world is not ready to wait serbs to grow up. So, soon or late Kosovo will get officially accepted in UN and Serbia will have another myth to cry over it.
I recommend you have a look over the Kadare interview on Nin magazine.

Germany and the neocon war criminals in Washington should have thought about that before trying to steal Serbian land and award it to their loyal servants, the organ snatchers. Everything already IS on the table, if Kosovo can separate, so can anyone anywhere. Don't you get that?
Oh, and don't worry about Vojvodina, it is overwhelmingly Serbian. And don't worry about Sandzak either, it is a tiny area that is not self-governable, and many of the muslims there are pro-Serb.

Again, if multi-ethnic Yugoslavia can be split up, well then so can multi-ethnic Bosnia. Get that through your anti-Serb head.
Cheers!!
(Dragan, 31 May 2012 18:16)

Why Serbia can take Vojvodina ? that was always Hungarian you should get Kosovo back once you give Vojvodiana to Hungarians.

Again an isolated voice of an unknown person. It is interesting to see that some really try to destroy the Dayton Peace Treaty and then assuming that this won't end in another war. Bosnia is currently disfunctional because it is no democracy. Give each person one vote with no vetos from either side, abolish those genocide entities and see what happens. That is the only (peaceful) solution.

Those, however, who still thirst for territories remember this. You put Bosnia on the table, and you will see Vojvodina, Sandzak, Macedonia, Montenegro and North Greece, as well. There won't be a buffet for Serbs only if somebody tries it. And if so you can mark all those mentioned territories as battle fields.

I do not understand why in balkans they do not do what they did in Canada or if they like Scotland which could bring it to Referendum in that territory.

I was this weekend in Canada and changing channels I saw some show about Quebec Referendum where only residents of Quebec voted if they wanted to leave or stay part of Canada and they where looking to compare with Scotland.

Why they do not take a vote in the following places:

#1 Republic Serbska Take a referendum on the territory of RS and only people living there like in Quebec choose YES or NO ( this is pure democracy) and then if they choose to join Serbia or be a country.
#2 Kosovo take a referendum in that territory and if they want independence so be it as well if they choose to join Albania after or not their choice.

This are big territories in Balkans it wont start spiting further and if other places in the world do so what look Sudan did it as well Referendum and only south voted this is how it should be.

Montenegro the same in 2006.

And do not bring genocide or other stuff in Bosnia everyone is living in someones secret land before and all people have cased pain to other group.

Can people tell me why this should not be the solution be it Serb, K-Albanians, Croat ?

Let PEOPLE VOTE !!!!

well from looking at RS it is already seperated in reality, and brcko will join RS thats for sure, its a serb majority and RS will join serbia. then krajina should also get its independance atleast full autonomy with serbian government to start because those are ancient serbian lands and not croatian. there should also be pressure on serbia and the croatian government to have all serb property rebuilt and the people to return to their home lands of krajina as soon as possible since there was over 700,000 people that lived there and now 250,000 serbs that should be done right away just like russia and a few other countries krjina is not done yet.

I totaly agree. Personaly i see a Balkan were Serbia includes Republika Srbska, the northen part of Kosovo, where serbs live and some parts of Macedonia. I live in Tirana and i don't wan't a big Albania because of the different cultural levels and the radicalism of albanians in Kosovo and Macedonia (in Albania, the mosques are always empty and i am myself an orthodox), but is not the official Tirana pushing behind the wheels, so i think probably we will include the albanian part of macedonia and the rest of Kosovo. A big queston for me will be the future of montenegro? However, we, the people of albania and serbia have nothing to worry. No one of us, nether our governements can do anything. This is high politics, i mean US, Russia and Chinese interest will determine everything

Serbs have their national state - Serbia, Croats - their own - Craoatia - it is a fact. And now these two want 2/3 of Bosnia as well and to leave us Bosnians divided in 2 enclaves - being majority as we are in our own country like Palestinians 1948. Serbs and Croats can get what they want and get away even with genocides - and Bosnians can not even exist. Wet dreams of serb and croat radicals - ONLY !

Sorry ! First defeat 2 millions of Bosnians now that we have army and are all heavily armed, merciless against our enemies and ready to defend ourselves, and then divide our country ! We will see what will EU, NATO, US, and our other friends will do if you try to do that !

Bosnian economy and political system do not function because they get subverted by Serbs and Croats, and to be honest Serbia and Croatia have crappy economy too - so division would not make things better - on contrary.

Finally - Bosnia has enough friends and power to support separatist movements of Bosniaks in Sanjak, Albanians in Presevo and soon our friends from Hungary will look to save Vojvodina from serbian yoke. If Bosnia can be divided - Serbia and Croatia must and will (by force if needed) be atomised. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth.

SNS victory makes many things real. Together with the increasing crisis and Russian support it may bring good harvest for Serbs living both on the Mainland and outside. While BH is a good place to start the revival with. If the lands are back home the Serbian spirit with no reverse speed will also be back. It will help the other neighbors to get rid of the illusions and take Serbia serious. Tadic has dumped the reputation coz he was the same kind of a puppet as the other local rulers are.

The West was highly instrumental in the break up of the former Yugoslavia, yet they are trying by all means to keep a mini version of Yugoslavia in BiH. I too, do not see the Serbs, Croats, and Bosniaks ever joining hands in the same kolo. Again, good work US/EU, like your success in Kosovo, BiH is right behind it.

If Serbia and Montenegro had recognized Kosovo in soon after 1999, the West would have created an Independent Montenegro, because that was their Evil Plan.

They would have done this with economic sanctions, as they did, and Montenegro only looked for Independence because of the Economic Problems.

It should be compared to the Many Irish who leave Ireland for America and elsewhere not because they did not Ireland, but because of the Dire Economic Circumstances.

It is like the Continental European who left Europe after the Second World War, and it was only because of Economic reasons.

Therefore, to say that the Montenegrins did not want to be a part of Yugoslavia or Serbia and Montenegro is a Lie.

Other Lies are that President Tomislav Nikolic is a Slobodan Milosevic for wanting better relations with a Neighbouring Country is pathetic, because even the European Union says that Serbia should have Good Neighbourly Relations.

Serbia will never recognize Kosovo under any circumstances; and the time has come to tell the Kosovo Albanians of Serbia’s Province of Kosovo that they have Autonomy based on word for word of the United Nations Six Point Plan for Kosovo.

What about Hungarian lands that were stolen by Yugoslavia and the west?
Anyhow Serbs and Croats should split Bosnia.

Hey, Zorane,

If everything is a failure (Bosnia, Kosovo, even the entire "west"), what does that make an unemployed guy who failed at life in 'the west' and isn't making much of a go of it in Serbia either?

Just a-wonderin'
(Danilo, 31 May 2012 15:42)
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What a desperate man resorting to insults. Why don't you explain to us again how you are a success with Serbian woman in clubs.

My solution for this is Bosnia should form with Serbia and Montenegro one state.
It would be better if they did that in 1992 but still it is possible, even if the Croats want they should also join.
That way we will be a strong country in the Balkans and south eastern Europe. We share(same language/same culture/same traditions/same people)
Ungfortunalty 2 things are in the way..
1. Religion
2. The last war in 1991 and people who cannot get over it,
if those people are out of politics we should form one new state!

But again its the will of the citizen of these countries.
United we stand divided we fall....

I hope it will not be another war: Once bitten twice shy!

Tirana boy

Well spoken tirana boy!

@ Dragan..After WWI, Serbia was awarded Vojvodina for their great valour and sacrifice. You see, just like albanians, Croats, and Bosnian muslims, the Hungarians are always on the wrong side in the world wars, and they paid for it.

Wrong side in the wars you say...I don't see the Serbian flag flying high in Knin & Pristina. NATO forces bombed Beograd because they the Serbs were on the wrong side. Serbia has shrunk dramatically in size since 1990 and you say that we were on the wrong side..!Comments from Serbs in the site are laughable.

Those, however, who still thirst for territories remember this. You put Bosnia on the table, and you will see Vojvodina, Sandzak, Macedonia, Montenegro and North Greece, as well. There won't be a buffet for Serbs only if somebody tries it. And if so you can mark all those mentioned territories as battle fields.
(Commentator, 31 May 2012 17:50)

Germany and the neocon war criminals in Washington should have thought about that before trying to steal Serbian land and award it to their loyal servants, the organ snatchers. Everything already IS on the table, if Kosovo can separate, so can anyone anywhere. Don't you get that?
Oh, and don't worry about Vojvodina, it is overwhelmingly Serbian. And don't worry about Sandzak either, it is a tiny area that is not self-governable, and many of the muslims there are pro-Serb.

Again, if multi-ethnic Yugoslavia can be split up, well then so can multi-ethnic Bosnia. Get that through your anti-Serb head.
Cheers!!

You are funny guy and you made my day with your claims about who I am and were I come from.
By the way, believe what you want. "As the proverb says, never argue with an idiot! They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"
OK! I made some search and
1) there is no HISTORY work published under Dr. Kaplan Resuli Burovich who actually is not Albanian but Serb or Montenegrin of maybe muslim origins. So, at least admit he is NOT Albanian and he is NOT historian scholar.
In fact he claimed:
While I was languishing in the infamous jail Burel, ten times they skinned me alive, literally, wanting from
me to abandon my yugoslavian (montenegrin) citizenship, the yugoslavian (montenegrin) nationality, my ideals, even my children. They were forcing me to declare myself an Albanian, not only as citizen, but in nationality (ethnicity).
2) Fatos Lubonja and Ardian Vehbiu are NOT historians and they have no academic titles to make historian claims. Both of them are TV, media opinion makers.
Both of them are part of aromanian MINORITY in Albania.
3) Dr. Ardian Qosi doesn't exist at all on any work published unless Serbian forums. Sorry to say but history can't be written on forums. Go and have some published scholar work my dear.
And YES, N. Malcolm is a HISTORIAN!
Conclusion:
No one of the people you mentioned to be a historian and Albanian is NOT!
They are simply ignorants on the mater.

As Scott Adams said: "When did ignorance become a point of view?"

What a desperate man resorting to insults. Why don't you explain to us again how you are a success with Serbian woman in clubs.
(Peggy, 31 May 2012 16:11)

Yep, his frustration is showing. I guess that date with bganon didn't go so well. :)
Cheers!!

@Avni and @commentator
First off Avni.. the borders are set now. Obviously you havent been to Bosnia lately, because the borders would not change from what they are now. Many dont go to the federation, from the Republic of Srpska. So reality on the ground, would not change. THey tried to run Bosnia thru the Muslim govt..and thank God for Dodik, who will have no part of it. Horrible statement Avni..
Secondly anti Serb commentator.. you obviously have not seen that many territories have already been snagged from us Serbs, your talk is complete non sense. YOu dont believe that Sandzak cld separate do you? Or Vojvodina? Serbia will get bigger once it assumes Republic of Srpska in the next decade. All your fierce words are just nonsense..and u are trying to stir the pot.

It would be interesting to see what the Bosniaks would do if this Dodik declared independence. Or, would it make any difference if Bosnia is in any case a formal international country?

Or is Dodik waiting to seal a partnership with the Catholics of Western Hercegovina - something which presumably would indeed kill off Bosnia.

No doubt, war would then start between Croats and Bosniaks.
And finally, there would be borders.

The wars in the Balkans will only stop when the borders between the tribes have been concluded.

For example, the ethnic border in Kosovo, up there in the middle of Mitrovica.

The EU, of course, prefers to pay than really solve political problems - it is too weak and feeble to do so.

The USA solves political problems, chasing Milosevic out of Kosovo, but it always goes away again - it is a separate continent.

And Russia offers a little encouragement here, a little bribery there, playing the little Balkan tribes off against each other, always looking to gain some tactical advantage against "Djadja Sam".

And of course the hypocrites from the Gulf, haters of the West who live off the West, pumping their petro-dollars not into research, but into the expansion of their evil creed, every Balkan village must have its minaret, muezzin and Salafist Imam.

The little Balkan tribes get shuffled about on the chess board, too foolish to see that solving the issues with their neighbours would force out all the parasitic outsiders feeding on their decaying carcass.

Zoran Serbs lost the war in Croatia its too late to ask for that, its like Alzas in France was German french took it back Germany can not ask for it anymore.
(Engineer, 31 May 2012 15:24)
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Croatians lost the war in BiH, so what happens if RS splits? Croatians are still stuck with the Muslims, which they won't be happy about. Now with the Serbs, the Croats form the majority in BiH so if they want to split from the Muslims, we can make that happen but they will need to return Serbian land in Croatia.

It sounds like a fair deal to me.

Why Serbia can take Vojvodina ? that was always Hungarian you should get Kosovo back once you give Vojvodiana to Hungarians.
(Bilbao, 31 May 2012 19:37)

You obviously need a history lesson. Ever heard of the Treaty of Trianon?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Trianon
After WWI, Serbia was awarded Vojvodina for their great valour and sacrifice. You see, just like albanians, Croats, and Bosnian muslims, the Hungarians are always on the wrong side in the world wars, and they paid for it.
Cheers!!

Dear Jovan or Giovanni how we would spell it here,
If you wish from now on I could use an albanian nickname but this doesn't change the fact that I'm Italian.
Despite the fact that all international historians tell us another story regarding your country you still believe on myths. Go on! Your choice.
Just think about. Why your history is not accepted by any serious scholar around the world?!
I have great serb friends that consider your kind the tragedy of their country.
Hi Dragan,
you wrote: You see, just like albanians, Croats, and Bosnian muslims, the Hungarians are always on the wrong side in the world wars, and they paid for it.
Are you serious?! Do you really mean what you wrote?!
Because in that case you must forget all territories you lost between 92-99

@ Jovan

Serbian propaganda will never be accepted in the International History Books for scholars. Your efforts to get Albanians to believe on your posted BS are futile. First try forming a common ground with other serb propganda machines on Albanian origins.

PS
The so called serb agent turned Albanologist full name is
Kaplan Resul Burovich.

(Sarajevo1941, 1 June 2012 03:16)

Hey buddy, I'm all for a independant Bosnian which has its grass roots entrenched in the ottoman empire, nazi germany and iran, but I dont think the serbs want to be apart of that country, just like bosnians did not want to be apart of yugoslavia.. I'm not even serb but fair is fair, just declare independance from rep srpska, or r u after more land?

my dear k-albanian friend, how dare you to write about the Serbs believing in myths, when it is just the opposite! it is you Albanians who desperately cling to the illyrian myth in order to legitimize your so desperately wished land-theft... you should get some info on that from your very own albanian scholars, like Ardian Vebiu, Ardian Qosi, Fatos Lubonja or Kaplan Resuli for example. even your own albanian scholars say something completely different from that crap that you are so desperately trying to spread here...

so, I cannot but smile about the level of ignorance amonst our dear k-albanian friends, who in some cases have not even the guts to post under an albanian nickname!

if you scroll down you will find one of them signing as

"italian" - just another k-albanian coward hiding behind a foreign nickname...


you have no history, no tradition, no artifacts, actually nothing but your dreams and wishful thinking... but that won´t help you.

you will lose in the end, and Serbia will prevail.

just a question of time.

there won`t be border changes ,western simply won`t allow it even if it`s going to take the balkan countries more than a decade to realise that they`re going no where with the "bigger territory" politics , every country in balkans sux economically so if there are needed changes in such high level , all have to wait the permission of usa , russia and they won`t let it , otherwise there can be changes only in balkan nations agree on a mutual solution , which won`t happen in 100 years time.

Imo the solution is : dividing in ethnical borders , croatian bosnia to croatia , serbian to serbia , bosniaks form a country on their own , north kosovo goes to serbia , kosovo goes to albania together with presheva valley , western macedonia to albania and everybody is happy (except macedonians I guess?)

"then krajina should also get its independance atleast full autonomy with serbian government to start because those are ancient serbian lands and not croatian."

Umm...no it's not...you might want to review your Serbian/Turkish/Ottoman/AUSTRIAN history.

Sure, Bosnia is quite the lost cause, but leave Croatia out of this. Thanks.

"You put Bosnia on the table, and you will see Vojvodina, Sandzak, Macedonia, Montenegro and North Greece, as well."

Commentator

Don't try to scare us with your empty threats. Why didn't you put Kosovo, Norhtern Epirus in Albania (with a greek minority) and Croatia on the table? You seem to think that only Christian territory is up for grabs. While muslim territory is not to be touched. Even though muslims came to the balkans with the turks, long after the Christians.
The world is tired of the Bosnian freak show. They also know that serbs are not the enemy but radical islam is.
RS will become independent, mark my words.

Zoran, Danilo

Guys, will you offer me a chance to learn to understand you better in a civilized (emotions welcomed) chat in Znak pitanja, for example the 10th of June?

to the Albanian who claims to be italian:

"Despite the fact that all international historians tell us another story regarding your country you still believe on myths"

all "international" historians? =)

I mentioned four albanian scholars, and you?
you won´t come up with Noel Malcolm now, will you? =)

come on dude, do yourself a favour and don´t make a fool of yourself with your ineffective attempts...

by the way: Serbs know their own history, Albanians are a nation that likes to dream, and that is something an albanian scholar, Fatos Lubonja has said!

"That's the way it is with our culture, which is mythomaniac, national-communist, romantic, self-glorifying. You can't say anything objective without people getting angry. The Albanians are a people who still dream. "

you can go on signing with "italian", because you are disclosing yourself through the nonsense you write. it´s that simple.

as a sidenote, my dear k-albanian friend: it is quite naive to claim to be italian, because, the Italians I know, have a quite different view of you Albanians... and, I think they have their reasons.

cheers, my k-albanian friend.

Engineer,

The problem: there is a country "A" where two peoples "B" and "C" live who don't like each other and want to have separate countries. Relative density of polulation is different in different parts of the country, polulation is mixed, more or less compact enclaves don't exist. The question is: if the country is to be divided where to place a border and how could this question be solved by referendum?

No one of us, nether our governements can do anything. This is high politics, i mean US, Russia and Chinese interest will determine everything
(tirana boy, 31 May 2012 16:44)

tirana boy,
High politics (US, Russia and Chinese) could play only if local peoples can't make agreement among themselves.

@ Tirina Boy...Bravo !!!I completely agree...my brother in Albania can you ask your people to pray for us? I have a further suggestion to the commentators that hate...why don't we first clean up our own houses and not worry about our neighbors unless they have constructive things to say...and we will find out quickly...We Don't Need Borders To Divide Us!!! We should pray to God, that he forgives our sins because we forgive those that sin against...is this not who we are???

If everything is a failure (Bosnia, Kosovo, even the entire "west"), what does that make an unemployed guy who failed at life in 'the west' and isn't making much of a go of it in Serbia either?

Just a-wonderin'
(Danilo, 31 May 2012 15:42)
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Are you trying to offer me a job? Hmmm, let me think about that.

So lets get this straight, you are someone who gets extorted (hasn't happened to me), gets ripped off by taxi drivers in Serbia (hasn't happened to me either, in fact, I find them very polite), gets shouted at by border police (well, they've been impolite but never have they shouted), can't get a Serbian girl (no surprises there, they want successful guys).

I think I'll pass but we can catch up for a rakija.

Engineer.

"Can people tell me why this should not be the solution be it Serb, K-Albanians, Croat ?

Let PEOPLE VOTE !!!!"

I'll tell you why this should not be the solution. Because everyone from the West is opposed to it.
They declared all Yugoslavian republics indivisible - with panel of European legal expert producing Badinter's oppinion. In it, they claimed that all Yugoslavian republics are indivisible - Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Serbia and Macedonia.
Then they went against their own legal experts and decided that Serbia is divisible, while other are not....

Why not let people vote as you said? It could be something acceptable to all. But not to the West.

the problem with you albanian wannabee´s is that you are only picking up selective "arguments" that suit your narrow world-view and at the same time avoid or even defraud arguments that do not fit into your wishful thinking.

unfortunately, for you of course, it is the same with you though.

the bottomline is: there is no need for exclusive mentioning of biased historians, if you were honest you would not deny those other albanian scholars the right to work on this issue.

and STILL an even more important fact is: there are no artifacts, no excavations, no written or linguistic proof of any kind that even only indicates a connection between the ancient illyrians and todays Albanians. honest Albanians would admit that. but you don´t. and that says a lot about you, my dear k-albanian friend.

Mr. Kaplan Resuli is indeed a bi-national individual, but thats not important actually. what is of interest, is that he is an "Albanologist", but in your eyes that is no scholar of course.. last but not least, Ardian Vehbiu is also not albanian right? =)

why are some Albanians so eagerly degrading themselves, I will never understand, actually...

cheers mate, you made my day! really!

as for your exaggerated mentioning of N.Malcolm as a historian, by hysterically writing it in bold letters: historian, perhaps. but no expert at all, and even in a review printed in "foreign affairs" his work is seen as only partly successful, and he emerges as a "amateur historian"... so if you are so eager to lecture here, please do it correctly. or in case you are not capable of doing it, just be quiet.

well, my dear k-albanian friend, by now I think everyone will have well, well, my dear k-albanian friend, by now I think everyone will realized that you are an Albanian. =)

by the way, Noel Malcolm , ...well, who do you think has sponsored his book that most Albanians are referring to? humm? whutcha think boy? do some research, Sherlock! =)

you did a quite lousy research actually, and please don´t start to babble about ignorance when you don´t know what you´re talking about. as for your "arguments" unlike you I will just stick to facts without using swear-words. like this albanian scholar has said it: if you question their views they get very angry =)

well, according to you a scholar is not entitled to do scientific work on the alleged illyrian descent unless he is a post-graduate historian? well, if you say so it must be right then, ...right?

let me clear it up a bit. scholar is a wider term and it is not necessarily meant to mean only "historian", and if you should check my previous post, I didn´t even claim them to be historians, but thats also not important.

what IS important however: the fact that these Albanians ( okay in Mr.Resuli´s case only half-albanian ) are just saying the same like other non-albanian scholars, but you are the ones who are ignoring facts, be it linguistic, archeological or even sociological facts.

as for your nice quote,I have one for you: if you can´t answer a man´s argument, nothing is lost, you can still give him vile names!

@skifteri: there is only one thing futile here: your ineffective attempts to spread your illyrian wishful thinking here!

as for Mr. Resuli, ...I doubt he is a serbian agent, rather a bi-national, but calling him serbian agent because his views do not fit into your narrow-minded world-view says enought about you,too! =)

there is no such thing like serb propaganda to form... it is simple truth, and you don´t like it, that´s all.

you have no history, well, not that history that you are claiming. and that is the thorn that is sticking in your flesh and will never cease to exist....

by the way, Mr.Vehbiu or Mr.Lubonja are also serb-agents? =)

you are so funny, skifteri, you don´t know HOW funny!

Noel Malcolm, President of the Anglo-Albanian Association (or at least was in the mid to late 1990s), something that he doesn't like to advertise lest it undermines his claims of being non-partisan historian...

Via Amazon:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Albania-Albanians-Selected-Articles-1903-1944/dp/1850439397 noel malcom, president of the anglo-albanian society

Via Albanian Mail:
http://www.albanianmail.co.uk/sc/print.php?id=1229517274&archive=

Via UK Albanians Network:
http://www.ukalbanians.net/pavaresia-eshte-dashur-te-shpallet-menjehere-pas-luftes/

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Fnbw1wsacSAC&pg=PA116&lpg=PA116&dq=anglo-albanian+association%2Bnoel+malcolm&source=bl&ots=vyH7rmKmZ_&sig=ARTxd3MBOZ-_hDlYSkoDlP3-tTw&hl=en&ei=OGOASs2AGuLMjAetr5XxAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=anglo-albanian%20association%2Bnoel%20malcolm&f=false
p116: Malcolm, Noel (1956.12.26-). Brisith scholar and historian... He is currently president of the Anglo-Albanian Association in London"

http://www.anglo-albanian.org.uk/