Wednesday, 18.04.2012.
16:42
Anders Breivik, who is on trial for the murder of 77 persons in Norway, has said in court that he met with a Serb extremist but refused to reveal his name.
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The Knights Templar cultural identity was imported from Serbia, he said. The Serbs who died during the Nato bombing of Kosovo in 1999 had a "crusader" mentality to which he aspired. Questioned about his radicalisation, he said that the Serbian bombing was for him "the straw that broke the camel's back".
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We have a trend and it all comes down to greed, ego and fear.
(Zoran, 19 April 2012 19:04)
Indeed and quite ironic to hear that, however blaming NATO for 77 dead Norwegians to remove the spotlight of serb extremist influence on this freak of nature is like trying to hide Pi** with sh**. Pardon my profanity.
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"Ataman , I realy want to know your opinion about these comments."
(moisi, 19 April 2012 07:45)
he is 1000% on the spot, pretty much like Julia Gorina.
In America if you get mired into complex explanations you are a loser. John Kerry learned that hard way.
You need things explained simple and enthusiastic way, even if the truth is much more complex.
Don't write a PhD essay. It is not appreciated.
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Do not bug Ataman. If it is not about wives of people or donkeys, he is not that interested. His preferred activity is to make fun of Albanians, so there is not much food for him in this article.
(Reader, 19 April 2012 16:01)
Wives and laties are great for me. Not my fault if fun riding donkeys uphill while holding a screaming Macedonian girl in right hand and her kidney in your left hand is your passion. I need the girl with kidney back where it belongs, you can keep the donkey.
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You say I don't condone his actions but I understand his reasons. And it is a mad man's reasons you understand.
(Reader, 19 April 2012 15:35)
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The law of attraction my friend. Like attracts like. Some mad men cause instability in other countries invites other mad men to cause instability in their countries. Why do you think people blow themselves up in trains, planes and automobiles? We have a trend and it all comes down to greed, ego and fear.
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"Ataman , I realy want to know your opinion about these comments."
(moisi, 19 April 2012 07:45)
Do not bug Ataman. If it is not about wives of people or donkeys, he is not that interested. His preferred activity is to make fun of Albanians, so there is not much food for him in this article.
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Zoran,
you are hopeless but I will keep talking to you. You say I don't condone his actions but I understand his reasons. And it is a mad man's reasons you understand. And you understand them, because he got them in his head, and then in his diary, by going around extremist Serb sites. Or by talking to some guy in Liberia. That is all there is to it. You should perhaps reflect what company you are with in that little corner of ideas.
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"and wait until the Albanian contingent comes back from Afghanistan then you will see radical Islam spread like wild fire amongst the Albanians. "
(sj, 19 April 2012 00:33)
hahaha, is that how it works, one goes to afghanistan and catches on islamic fire? and then spreads it? is that what has been happening to thousands of other soldiers? you have a vivid imagination my friend. keep telling tales to yourself.
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@ Zoran: You write: "Perhaps you should study the law of attraction somewhat, you know, like attracts like. So if a world power (in this case NATO) is run by a bunch of nutcases with nutcase policies then it will certainly attract nutcases. "
Dear Zoran, this psychopath associated himself with some extremist Serbs not NATO! Your argument is seriously flawed and you are involuntarily implying that people considered as Serb national heroes in this forum are actually just as psychotic.
On Kosovo, Serbia over did it with the use of force. The loss of Kosovo by Serbia is squarely its own geopolitical mistake. The rise of Serb nationalism in the late 1980' at a time of growing openness and integration in Europe was off the mark by the Serb political elite and academia. Serbia is in the middle of Europe not in Central Asia! It must consider carefully its geostrategy or risk further disintegration.
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oh yeah, back to the conspiracy theories. the west destroyed yugoslavia! yes, they made the serbs bomb vukovar, siege sarajevo and of course...Srebrenica. its never the fault of say the yugslavs, always the evil meddling west. if only they'd left them alone, you could see they were electing moderates in Sloba, Tudjman etc. but no no, it was the west. by the way, are you actually saying the unification of germany was a bad idea? could you please tell me which books you've been reading?
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tell that"unity in diversity" to exSU people,exYU people, muslim supremacists in Arabic countries, "illyrian" supremacists-fashists
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what can i say, you have nutbags everywehre
(Nikolle, 19 April 2012 12:17)
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Not me but *we* have nut cases everywhere. The destruction of Yugoslavia was an example of the West going mad again, starting with the reunification of Germany and some dusty agendas being reviewed.
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yes Zoran
and if the strongest military power in the former Yugoslavia (Serbia) attracts madmen like Sloba, Mladic, Karadic, Arkan, Sesel (of course, supported by the vessel of Serbian extremism and nationalism, the Serb Orthodox Church ) to wage war in the name of a Greater Serbia then you have a lot to answer for. btw, i saw that youtube of that jewish guy, what can i say, you have nutbags everywehre
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@ Zoran: I don't know who you are and what's your story, but in any normally functioning state you would be put under close watch because you are a danger, in this case, to the Serbian national interests and humanity. You go out of the way to blame NATO and Albanians on everything, even on matters that only exist on mentally ill people and you might be one of them. For God's sake check yourself out before you commit yourself to doing something even more dangerous and hurt yourself and others.
(Diplomaicus, 19 April 2012 01:14)
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LOL! Check myself out for having an opinion and utilising freedom of speech? I'm in no way supporting the action of this nutcase but you have to understand the justification he used. Perhaps you should study the law of attraction somewhat, you know, like attracts like. So if a world power (in this case NATO) is run by a bunch of nutcases with nutcase policies then it will certainly attract nutcases.
There is simply no moral justification to go around the world spreading death, destruction and extremist behaviour unless the underlying purpose is purely evil. It is not like NATO is going around the world preaching peace, harmony, tolerance, forgiveness, reconciliation, etc... It is spreading division, violence, hatred, destruction, death, revenge, instability and extremism. Open your eyes and see for yourself.
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Our friend Zoran here even admits that in his mind he punished Norwegians for the NATO action against the Serbian regime. Zoran has the same storyline as those fantasies and conspiracy theories. A perfect circle.
(Reader, 18 April 2012 23:03)
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LOL! My friend, I read it in his manifesto so don't shoot the messenger. Check it for yourself here -> http://unitednations.ispnw.org/archives/breivik-manifesto-2011.pdf
Also check -> http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/nato-bombing-of-serbia-set-off-norwegian-bomber
However, just like yourself, Western media have spun it and blamed Serbian nationalists. Check -> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/18/anders-behring-breivik-serb-nationalists?newsfeed=true
The simple fact is that he specifically blamed NATO's bombing of Serbia as the main motivation for killing those people. For some reason, that is missing from the Western press. I wonder why?
You see, NATO's aggression has created many extremists. In Yugoslavia it supported genocide in Croatia and KiM while blaming Serbs for those actions. It went into Iraq and Afghanistan, where people turned into suicide bombers and over a million people died as a result.
I know you are an apologist for NATO's extremist actions but that has been balanced by extremist actions of individuals. NATO cannot go around the world causing mass murder and destruction and not expect extremist actions in return. Even US soldiers are becoming nut cases and talking photos of themselves with body parts of suicide bombers. Check -> http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=04&dd=18&nav_id=79832 and this one, where a soldier goes on a shooting spree himself -> http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=03&dd=11&nav_id=79210 and this one, where NATO soldiers shoot at Serbian civilians -> http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=09&dd=27&nav_id=76572
We are dealing with nut cases on all levels my friend, from the nut cases in the US government and NATO, which as a result creates many individual nut cases. So my point again, NATO is succeeding in spreading death, destruction and extremism around the world, correct?
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Yes my friends, NATO's aggression against Serbia has caused a lot of extremists to surface around the world. They have seen the injustice and lies coming from Western countries, Albanians, etc...
Here are a couple of examples from a Jewish guy.
[link] (About Albanians)
[link] (About Croatians)
Ataman , I realy want to know your opinion about these comments.
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Though this guy's acts are his alone and he must take full responsibility for them, we all must take responsibility for our actions as well. What we say and imply, even in a forum like this, has consequences and people must be mindful of this. Now i don't know the criteria for posting here. One might be an academic or an ignorant adolescent mumbling through and saying things randomly, but that may have serious repercussions.
@ Zoran: I don't know who you are and what's your story, but in any normally functioning state you would be put under close watch because you are a danger, in this case, to the Serbian national interests and humanity. You go out of the way to blame NATO and Albanians on everything, even on matters that only exist on mentally ill people and you might be one of them. For God's sake check yourself out before you commit yourself to doing something even more dangerous and hurt yourself and others.
Breivik is a nut case! He killed innocent people, Norwegians not the imaginary enemy! He is the modern Don Quixote fighting windmills. It is sad that he took a dark page from the modern history of the Serbian people and turned it into an excuse to kill. It is an indignity done to Serbia and the Serbian nation. Instead of there being frontal repulsion of this man's ideas, I see people nodding their heads at what he has to say. What a shame. To think that in our day and age we have come so far in understanding our common humanity, only to be thwarted by these "talibans" (muslim, christian and atheist alike)!
I for one believe in the EU motto: united in diversity. Those that don't appreciate it should not get visa liberalization and should be caged in like wild animals so that they taste their own medicine. There are no superior and inferior individuals, nations and cultures because everything is relative. What we have is the gift of life and the ability to experience it. Let's not waste it.
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@ To Mendo
Still you not being honest and fair. I said down with all extremists but you are still protecting those from Serbia who teached Brevik how to execute people in mass just like Serb extremist did in the 1990s.
Cheers
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I see now, Breivik claims he talked to a Serb extremist, and I imagine that inspired his to do what he did, but he will not give a name. Now even if he did meet with this extremist the Serb took NO part in the massacre.
On the Albanian side we have had a few TERROIST incidents such as shooting of freedom-loving soldier in Germany as well as in Kosovo and wait until the Albanian contingent comes back from Afghanistan then you will see radical Islam spread like wild fire amongst the Albanians.
To the Albo troll don’t get over excited as this as it BS of the highest order, but your record in terror is factual.
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The truth hurts!
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I dont believe a word this nutter says,he's only trying this 'global conspiracy' idea to appease his ego. Lets take a look at where he got his his "Knights Templar Uniform"
Brevik's Uniform - http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?q=knights+templar+uniform&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=506&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=GfgJcFYiOK9_BM:&imgrefurl=http://www.abacusnews.com/news/11/013-anders-breivik-knights-templar-uniform.php&docid=iduaPU8jGq5HaM&imgurl=http://www.abacusnews.com/images/knight-templar-uniform-300x458.jpg&w=300&h=458&ei=DyqPT5b7KeTjmAWiyrCAAg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=289&vpy=96&dur=4367&hovh=278&hovw=182&tx=118&ty=176&sig=112592140689001103792&page=1&tbnh=146&tbnw=75&start=0&ndsp=11&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:68
His Jacket - http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-Marine-wool-blue-uniform-pants-jacket-10-85-US-priority-shipping-/180862847474?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1c4409f2
His Aiguillette - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aiguillette-Gold-Wire-Cord-Army-R107-/200691731064?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=item2eba28ca78
His Shoulder Boards - http://www.ebay.com/itm/KNIGHT-TEMPLAR-PAST-COMMANDER-SHOULDER-BOARDS-SB-003-/200743196331?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ebd3a16ab
His Belt - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Russian-Soviet-Marines-OFFICER-Leather-BELT-HOLSTER-/110863532189?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19cffb409d
His Collar Tabs - http://www.ebay.com/itm/PATCH-BADGE-RED-CROSS-IRON-PATCH-SEW-PARCHE-CUSTOM-ENDURO-MOTORBIKE-/150799260548?pt=UK_Collectables_Badges_Patches_MJ&hash=item231c561b84
And Finally, a Real Knights Templar Uniform - http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?q=knights+templar+uniform&hl=en&gbv=2&biw=1024&bih=506&tbm=isch&tbnid=YYOGuL6hTn4W5M:&imgrefurl=http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/KT_California_Uniform.htm&docid=qxQHO5YnchlJEM&imgurl=http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/images/california_cmdry_no_1.jpg&w=710&h=529&ei=nyyPT5PzIMW1iQeAi_XXDA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=104&vpy=146&dur=700&hovh=194&hovw=260&tx=108&ty=126&sig=112592140689001103792&page=1&tbnh=147&tbnw=192&start=0&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:64
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@SCP UK,
No, not trying to blame it on a Serb but on a group of beliefs, fantasies and other crap propagated by *some* Serbs and their extreme right friends. Indirectly though, the main person to blame is Breivik himself. And mind you, there is a difference between a normal Serb and an extremist. I blame nothing on the former. But if you take a deranged individual like Breivik, he is going to only kill pigs probably to satisfy the voices in his head. Maybe even people. Fuel those voices in his head with extremist crap and paranoid conspiracy theories that are only about hate and you get a mass murderer. Our friend Zoran here even admits that in his mind he punished Norwegians for the NATO action against the Serbian regime. Zoran has the same storyline as those fantasies and conspiracy theories. A perfect circle.
@Steve B.
Maybe, one can never know. However, if you have paid attention, nobody from the Albanian commentators here has ever gone into speaking about Muslims VS. Christians and other religious wars crap. Not that I remember at least. The focus of the narrative on this side of the fence is just ethnic, Serbs vs. Albanians and events are interpreted inside that frame. And propaganda happens also inside that frame. So, it is not likely we have had any of those other religious crazies you talk about who attacked Americans here on B92. They were fueled by a different sort of conspiracy theories and propaganda, which originates outside of the Balkans.
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Seems like Breivik shares the same mindset as quite a few commentators on B92.
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Zoki: all idiots in europe were against NATO intervention in 99. Breivek was and is not alone.
(ben, 18 April 2012 19:59)
hence most of the people in Europe were against NATO`s illegal intervention, then they are idiots - that what mentally sick people do first - point at somebody else. do not worry - now even the smartest have understood they chose the wrong side - muslim extremism and crimeinfested Kosovo. dear fake illyrians - hope that Hoxha will resurrect and isolate your superior culture from the idiots...lol
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Yes my friends, NATO's aggression against Serbia has caused a lot of extremists to surface around the world. They have seen the injustice and lies coming from Western countries, Albanians, etc...
Here are a couple of examples from a Jewish guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGDTsiuxwrM (About Albanians)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft24XkbjPBk (About Croatians)
NATO is succeeding is spreading hatred and violence around the world, right?
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can I infer anything from this?
(Nikolle, 18 April 2012 16:48)
Nope. Because reading your comments about 5 killed Macedonians I can get really angry, steal an AK-47, get into Emona Market in Vushtrri and spray it with bullets, making sure that as much as possible young ladies and families get killed (who have not ever a slightest connection to KLA).
Than I will say, it's all your fault, I just got angry reading your comments.
Curious, will be such excuse accepted by the court or maybe not. Afraid, not.
We had in California a similar case, called "Yosemite killer", the guy raped and killed young ladies around Yosemite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cary_Stayner
Was caught and blamed the "voices in the skies" commanding him to do what he did and he had apparently a troubled childhood. Too bad, the judge an jurrors were not impressed and delivered the death penalty. He is on the "death row", good riddance, for sure he won't be missed.
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So Breivik learning from the best, the Serbs extremists. No surprise really. Down with all sorts of extremists.
(Mendo, 18 April 2012 20:49)
fully agree - down with ALbanian extremism and jihado-fashism in KiM and return the Province to her lawful owners!
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So Breivik learning from the best, the Serbs extremists. No surprise really. Down with all sorts of extremists.
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LOL Zoran, yes it is of course NATO's fault. This is exactly what rightist extremists sites in Serbia say and that is most likely how he picked that up 12 years after NATO's action against Serbia's regime.
I would not call that "manifesto" either. The communist parties and such had manifestos. What he had is just a personal notebook or diary with a lot of crap inside. Not worthy of being elevated to a "manifesto".
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(Reader, 18 April 2012 18:37)
Yeah, we may have had some of the Albanian terrorists that killed American soldiers in Germany, attacked U.S. bases in America, and planned the recent suicide attack in Florida, here on B92 also.
If I remember correctly, Sami Osmakac (the Albanian terrorist in Florida), from Kosovo, had a brother named Avni Osmakac. The name "Avni" rings a bell for some reason. Might have seen that name around here on B92. Hmmm.
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I wouldn't be surprised if this is true.
He met with Extremists from most Christian European countries.
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It would be interesting to know which sites he frequented, maybe we have had him here on B92 as well in the past. Certain nicknames come to mind.
(Reader, 18 April 2012 18:37)
he might have "been" an ex-KFOR i would say. Or an irish idiot.
Zoki: all idiots in europe were against NATO intervention in 99. Breivek was and is not alone.
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@Reader
If you are trying to blame this psycho's horrific crime on a Serb then you must be out of your mind.
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Out of this monstrous crime/tragedy a lot of things are surfacing, such as Serb extremism being involved around the globe. Stay tune for more during this trial.
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How can someone claim that he is protecting Norwegians from muslims by killing the Norwegians?
He should be declared insane and spend the rest of his life in a mental institution.
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Poor misguided fool. An example of how the rightist extremist Serbian propaganda of the 90's, still surviving today in some places touched Norway with devastating effects. It would be interesting to know which sites he frequented, maybe we have had him here on B92 as well in the past. Certain nicknames come to mind.
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Why didn´t you mention the israeli/Zionist connection B92?
Just weeks prior to the murder spree and since years before, this outspoken Zionist and Norwegian free-mason member was chatting with his Shas party/ Barush Goldstein kind of brain washed friends in Tel aviv. Influence anybody? Well, ask the Palestinians. They get their share of death-by racial hatred every day...
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In his manifesto he claimed that the main reason for going ahead with the killings was NATO's bombing of Serbia. Looks like NATO can add another 77 deaths to its aggression against Serbia.
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Whatever. So, lots of western european fascists and nazis went to fight for the croatians in 1991. Lots of Mujahedeen from Afghanistan, Pakistan the UK and Europe went to fight in Bosnia for the 'Bosniaks' and came home fully trained to carry out terrorist attacks (UK/Spain etc.).
Can I infer anything from this or shall I just take everything in isolation so that it only matches my opinion?
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IMAGINE!!!
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can I infer anything from this?
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How can someone claim that he is protecting Norwegians from muslims by killing the Norwegians?
He should be declared insane and spend the rest of his life in a mental institution.
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Whatever. So, lots of western european fascists and nazis went to fight for the croatians in 1991. Lots of Mujahedeen from Afghanistan, Pakistan the UK and Europe went to fight in Bosnia for the 'Bosniaks' and came home fully trained to carry out terrorist attacks (UK/Spain etc.).
Can I infer anything from this or shall I just take everything in isolation so that it only matches my opinion?
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@Reader
If you are trying to blame this psycho's horrific crime on a Serb then you must be out of your mind.
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So Breivik learning from the best, the Serbs extremists. No surprise really. Down with all sorts of extremists.
pre 12 godina
In his manifesto he claimed that the main reason for going ahead with the killings was NATO's bombing of Serbia. Looks like NATO can add another 77 deaths to its aggression against Serbia.
pre 12 godina
Out of this monstrous crime/tragedy a lot of things are surfacing, such as Serb extremism being involved around the globe. Stay tune for more during this trial.
pre 12 godina
I wouldn't be surprised if this is true.
He met with Extremists from most Christian European countries.
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Poor misguided fool. An example of how the rightist extremist Serbian propaganda of the 90's, still surviving today in some places touched Norway with devastating effects. It would be interesting to know which sites he frequented, maybe we have had him here on B92 as well in the past. Certain nicknames come to mind.
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Seems like Breivik shares the same mindset as quite a few commentators on B92.
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(Reader, 18 April 2012 18:37)
Yeah, we may have had some of the Albanian terrorists that killed American soldiers in Germany, attacked U.S. bases in America, and planned the recent suicide attack in Florida, here on B92 also.
If I remember correctly, Sami Osmakac (the Albanian terrorist in Florida), from Kosovo, had a brother named Avni Osmakac. The name "Avni" rings a bell for some reason. Might have seen that name around here on B92. Hmmm.
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LOL Zoran, yes it is of course NATO's fault. This is exactly what rightist extremists sites in Serbia say and that is most likely how he picked that up 12 years after NATO's action against Serbia's regime.
I would not call that "manifesto" either. The communist parties and such had manifestos. What he had is just a personal notebook or diary with a lot of crap inside. Not worthy of being elevated to a "manifesto".
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can I infer anything from this?
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It would be interesting to know which sites he frequented, maybe we have had him here on B92 as well in the past. Certain nicknames come to mind.
(Reader, 18 April 2012 18:37)
he might have "been" an ex-KFOR i would say. Or an irish idiot.
Zoki: all idiots in europe were against NATO intervention in 99. Breivek was and is not alone.
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IMAGINE!!!
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Yes my friends, NATO's aggression against Serbia has caused a lot of extremists to surface around the world. They have seen the injustice and lies coming from Western countries, Albanians, etc...
Here are a couple of examples from a Jewish guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGDTsiuxwrM (About Albanians)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft24XkbjPBk (About Croatians)
NATO is succeeding is spreading hatred and violence around the world, right?
pre 12 godina
So Breivik learning from the best, the Serbs extremists. No surprise really. Down with all sorts of extremists.
(Mendo, 18 April 2012 20:49)
fully agree - down with ALbanian extremism and jihado-fashism in KiM and return the Province to her lawful owners!
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Zoki: all idiots in europe were against NATO intervention in 99. Breivek was and is not alone.
(ben, 18 April 2012 19:59)
hence most of the people in Europe were against NATO`s illegal intervention, then they are idiots - that what mentally sick people do first - point at somebody else. do not worry - now even the smartest have understood they chose the wrong side - muslim extremism and crimeinfested Kosovo. dear fake illyrians - hope that Hoxha will resurrect and isolate your superior culture from the idiots...lol
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@SCP UK,
No, not trying to blame it on a Serb but on a group of beliefs, fantasies and other crap propagated by *some* Serbs and their extreme right friends. Indirectly though, the main person to blame is Breivik himself. And mind you, there is a difference between a normal Serb and an extremist. I blame nothing on the former. But if you take a deranged individual like Breivik, he is going to only kill pigs probably to satisfy the voices in his head. Maybe even people. Fuel those voices in his head with extremist crap and paranoid conspiracy theories that are only about hate and you get a mass murderer. Our friend Zoran here even admits that in his mind he punished Norwegians for the NATO action against the Serbian regime. Zoran has the same storyline as those fantasies and conspiracy theories. A perfect circle.
@Steve B.
Maybe, one can never know. However, if you have paid attention, nobody from the Albanian commentators here has ever gone into speaking about Muslims VS. Christians and other religious wars crap. Not that I remember at least. The focus of the narrative on this side of the fence is just ethnic, Serbs vs. Albanians and events are interpreted inside that frame. And propaganda happens also inside that frame. So, it is not likely we have had any of those other religious crazies you talk about who attacked Americans here on B92. They were fueled by a different sort of conspiracy theories and propaganda, which originates outside of the Balkans.
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can I infer anything from this?
(Nikolle, 18 April 2012 16:48)
Nope. Because reading your comments about 5 killed Macedonians I can get really angry, steal an AK-47, get into Emona Market in Vushtrri and spray it with bullets, making sure that as much as possible young ladies and families get killed (who have not ever a slightest connection to KLA).
Than I will say, it's all your fault, I just got angry reading your comments.
Curious, will be such excuse accepted by the court or maybe not. Afraid, not.
We had in California a similar case, called "Yosemite killer", the guy raped and killed young ladies around Yosemite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cary_Stayner
Was caught and blamed the "voices in the skies" commanding him to do what he did and he had apparently a troubled childhood. Too bad, the judge an jurrors were not impressed and delivered the death penalty. He is on the "death row", good riddance, for sure he won't be missed.
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I dont believe a word this nutter says,he's only trying this 'global conspiracy' idea to appease his ego. Lets take a look at where he got his his "Knights Templar Uniform"
Brevik's Uniform - http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?q=knights+templar+uniform&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=506&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=GfgJcFYiOK9_BM:&imgrefurl=http://www.abacusnews.com/news/11/013-anders-breivik-knights-templar-uniform.php&docid=iduaPU8jGq5HaM&imgurl=http://www.abacusnews.com/images/knight-templar-uniform-300x458.jpg&w=300&h=458&ei=DyqPT5b7KeTjmAWiyrCAAg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=289&vpy=96&dur=4367&hovh=278&hovw=182&tx=118&ty=176&sig=112592140689001103792&page=1&tbnh=146&tbnw=75&start=0&ndsp=11&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:68
His Jacket - http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-Marine-wool-blue-uniform-pants-jacket-10-85-US-priority-shipping-/180862847474?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1c4409f2
His Aiguillette - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aiguillette-Gold-Wire-Cord-Army-R107-/200691731064?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=item2eba28ca78
His Shoulder Boards - http://www.ebay.com/itm/KNIGHT-TEMPLAR-PAST-COMMANDER-SHOULDER-BOARDS-SB-003-/200743196331?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ebd3a16ab
His Belt - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Russian-Soviet-Marines-OFFICER-Leather-BELT-HOLSTER-/110863532189?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19cffb409d
His Collar Tabs - http://www.ebay.com/itm/PATCH-BADGE-RED-CROSS-IRON-PATCH-SEW-PARCHE-CUSTOM-ENDURO-MOTORBIKE-/150799260548?pt=UK_Collectables_Badges_Patches_MJ&hash=item231c561b84
And Finally, a Real Knights Templar Uniform - http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?q=knights+templar+uniform&hl=en&gbv=2&biw=1024&bih=506&tbm=isch&tbnid=YYOGuL6hTn4W5M:&imgrefurl=http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/KT_California_Uniform.htm&docid=qxQHO5YnchlJEM&imgurl=http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/images/california_cmdry_no_1.jpg&w=710&h=529&ei=nyyPT5PzIMW1iQeAi_XXDA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=104&vpy=146&dur=700&hovh=194&hovw=260&tx=108&ty=126&sig=112592140689001103792&page=1&tbnh=147&tbnw=192&start=0&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:64
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Why didn´t you mention the israeli/Zionist connection B92?
Just weeks prior to the murder spree and since years before, this outspoken Zionist and Norwegian free-mason member was chatting with his Shas party/ Barush Goldstein kind of brain washed friends in Tel aviv. Influence anybody? Well, ask the Palestinians. They get their share of death-by racial hatred every day...
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Though this guy's acts are his alone and he must take full responsibility for them, we all must take responsibility for our actions as well. What we say and imply, even in a forum like this, has consequences and people must be mindful of this. Now i don't know the criteria for posting here. One might be an academic or an ignorant adolescent mumbling through and saying things randomly, but that may have serious repercussions.
@ Zoran: I don't know who you are and what's your story, but in any normally functioning state you would be put under close watch because you are a danger, in this case, to the Serbian national interests and humanity. You go out of the way to blame NATO and Albanians on everything, even on matters that only exist on mentally ill people and you might be one of them. For God's sake check yourself out before you commit yourself to doing something even more dangerous and hurt yourself and others.
Breivik is a nut case! He killed innocent people, Norwegians not the imaginary enemy! He is the modern Don Quixote fighting windmills. It is sad that he took a dark page from the modern history of the Serbian people and turned it into an excuse to kill. It is an indignity done to Serbia and the Serbian nation. Instead of there being frontal repulsion of this man's ideas, I see people nodding their heads at what he has to say. What a shame. To think that in our day and age we have come so far in understanding our common humanity, only to be thwarted by these "talibans" (muslim, christian and atheist alike)!
I for one believe in the EU motto: united in diversity. Those that don't appreciate it should not get visa liberalization and should be caged in like wild animals so that they taste their own medicine. There are no superior and inferior individuals, nations and cultures because everything is relative. What we have is the gift of life and the ability to experience it. Let's not waste it.
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yes Zoran
and if the strongest military power in the former Yugoslavia (Serbia) attracts madmen like Sloba, Mladic, Karadic, Arkan, Sesel (of course, supported by the vessel of Serbian extremism and nationalism, the Serb Orthodox Church ) to wage war in the name of a Greater Serbia then you have a lot to answer for. btw, i saw that youtube of that jewish guy, what can i say, you have nutbags everywehre
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@ Zoran: You write: "Perhaps you should study the law of attraction somewhat, you know, like attracts like. So if a world power (in this case NATO) is run by a bunch of nutcases with nutcase policies then it will certainly attract nutcases. "
Dear Zoran, this psychopath associated himself with some extremist Serbs not NATO! Your argument is seriously flawed and you are involuntarily implying that people considered as Serb national heroes in this forum are actually just as psychotic.
On Kosovo, Serbia over did it with the use of force. The loss of Kosovo by Serbia is squarely its own geopolitical mistake. The rise of Serb nationalism in the late 1980' at a time of growing openness and integration in Europe was off the mark by the Serb political elite and academia. Serbia is in the middle of Europe not in Central Asia! It must consider carefully its geostrategy or risk further disintegration.
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@ To Mendo
Still you not being honest and fair. I said down with all extremists but you are still protecting those from Serbia who teached Brevik how to execute people in mass just like Serb extremist did in the 1990s.
Cheers
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oh yeah, back to the conspiracy theories. the west destroyed yugoslavia! yes, they made the serbs bomb vukovar, siege sarajevo and of course...Srebrenica. its never the fault of say the yugslavs, always the evil meddling west. if only they'd left them alone, you could see they were electing moderates in Sloba, Tudjman etc. but no no, it was the west. by the way, are you actually saying the unification of germany was a bad idea? could you please tell me which books you've been reading?
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Our friend Zoran here even admits that in his mind he punished Norwegians for the NATO action against the Serbian regime. Zoran has the same storyline as those fantasies and conspiracy theories. A perfect circle.
(Reader, 18 April 2012 23:03)
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LOL! My friend, I read it in his manifesto so don't shoot the messenger. Check it for yourself here -> http://unitednations.ispnw.org/archives/breivik-manifesto-2011.pdf
Also check -> http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/nato-bombing-of-serbia-set-off-norwegian-bomber
However, just like yourself, Western media have spun it and blamed Serbian nationalists. Check -> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/18/anders-behring-breivik-serb-nationalists?newsfeed=true
The simple fact is that he specifically blamed NATO's bombing of Serbia as the main motivation for killing those people. For some reason, that is missing from the Western press. I wonder why?
You see, NATO's aggression has created many extremists. In Yugoslavia it supported genocide in Croatia and KiM while blaming Serbs for those actions. It went into Iraq and Afghanistan, where people turned into suicide bombers and over a million people died as a result.
I know you are an apologist for NATO's extremist actions but that has been balanced by extremist actions of individuals. NATO cannot go around the world causing mass murder and destruction and not expect extremist actions in return. Even US soldiers are becoming nut cases and talking photos of themselves with body parts of suicide bombers. Check -> http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=04&dd=18&nav_id=79832 and this one, where a soldier goes on a shooting spree himself -> http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=03&dd=11&nav_id=79210 and this one, where NATO soldiers shoot at Serbian civilians -> http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=09&dd=27&nav_id=76572
We are dealing with nut cases on all levels my friend, from the nut cases in the US government and NATO, which as a result creates many individual nut cases. So my point again, NATO is succeeding in spreading death, destruction and extremism around the world, correct?
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what can i say, you have nutbags everywehre
(Nikolle, 19 April 2012 12:17)
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Not me but *we* have nut cases everywhere. The destruction of Yugoslavia was an example of the West going mad again, starting with the reunification of Germany and some dusty agendas being reviewed.
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The truth hurts!
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@ Zoran: I don't know who you are and what's your story, but in any normally functioning state you would be put under close watch because you are a danger, in this case, to the Serbian national interests and humanity. You go out of the way to blame NATO and Albanians on everything, even on matters that only exist on mentally ill people and you might be one of them. For God's sake check yourself out before you commit yourself to doing something even more dangerous and hurt yourself and others.
(Diplomaicus, 19 April 2012 01:14)
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LOL! Check myself out for having an opinion and utilising freedom of speech? I'm in no way supporting the action of this nutcase but you have to understand the justification he used. Perhaps you should study the law of attraction somewhat, you know, like attracts like. So if a world power (in this case NATO) is run by a bunch of nutcases with nutcase policies then it will certainly attract nutcases.
There is simply no moral justification to go around the world spreading death, destruction and extremist behaviour unless the underlying purpose is purely evil. It is not like NATO is going around the world preaching peace, harmony, tolerance, forgiveness, reconciliation, etc... It is spreading division, violence, hatred, destruction, death, revenge, instability and extremism. Open your eyes and see for yourself.
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"and wait until the Albanian contingent comes back from Afghanistan then you will see radical Islam spread like wild fire amongst the Albanians. "
(sj, 19 April 2012 00:33)
hahaha, is that how it works, one goes to afghanistan and catches on islamic fire? and then spreads it? is that what has been happening to thousands of other soldiers? you have a vivid imagination my friend. keep telling tales to yourself.
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You say I don't condone his actions but I understand his reasons. And it is a mad man's reasons you understand.
(Reader, 19 April 2012 15:35)
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The law of attraction my friend. Like attracts like. Some mad men cause instability in other countries invites other mad men to cause instability in their countries. Why do you think people blow themselves up in trains, planes and automobiles? We have a trend and it all comes down to greed, ego and fear.
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I see now, Breivik claims he talked to a Serb extremist, and I imagine that inspired his to do what he did, but he will not give a name. Now even if he did meet with this extremist the Serb took NO part in the massacre.
On the Albanian side we have had a few TERROIST incidents such as shooting of freedom-loving soldier in Germany as well as in Kosovo and wait until the Albanian contingent comes back from Afghanistan then you will see radical Islam spread like wild fire amongst the Albanians.
To the Albo troll don’t get over excited as this as it BS of the highest order, but your record in terror is factual.
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Yes my friends, NATO's aggression against Serbia has caused a lot of extremists to surface around the world. They have seen the injustice and lies coming from Western countries, Albanians, etc...
Here are a couple of examples from a Jewish guy.
[link] (About Albanians)
[link] (About Croatians)
Ataman , I realy want to know your opinion about these comments.
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tell that"unity in diversity" to exSU people,exYU people, muslim supremacists in Arabic countries, "illyrian" supremacists-fashists
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"Ataman , I realy want to know your opinion about these comments."
(moisi, 19 April 2012 07:45)
Do not bug Ataman. If it is not about wives of people or donkeys, he is not that interested. His preferred activity is to make fun of Albanians, so there is not much food for him in this article.
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"Ataman , I realy want to know your opinion about these comments."
(moisi, 19 April 2012 07:45)
he is 1000% on the spot, pretty much like Julia Gorina.
In America if you get mired into complex explanations you are a loser. John Kerry learned that hard way.
You need things explained simple and enthusiastic way, even if the truth is much more complex.
Don't write a PhD essay. It is not appreciated.
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Do not bug Ataman. If it is not about wives of people or donkeys, he is not that interested. His preferred activity is to make fun of Albanians, so there is not much food for him in this article.
(Reader, 19 April 2012 16:01)
Wives and laties are great for me. Not my fault if fun riding donkeys uphill while holding a screaming Macedonian girl in right hand and her kidney in your left hand is your passion. I need the girl with kidney back where it belongs, you can keep the donkey.
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We have a trend and it all comes down to greed, ego and fear.
(Zoran, 19 April 2012 19:04)
Indeed and quite ironic to hear that, however blaming NATO for 77 dead Norwegians to remove the spotlight of serb extremist influence on this freak of nature is like trying to hide Pi** with sh**. Pardon my profanity.
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Zoran,
you are hopeless but I will keep talking to you. You say I don't condone his actions but I understand his reasons. And it is a mad man's reasons you understand. And you understand them, because he got them in his head, and then in his diary, by going around extremist Serb sites. Or by talking to some guy in Liberia. That is all there is to it. You should perhaps reflect what company you are with in that little corner of ideas.
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The Knights Templar cultural identity was imported from Serbia, he said. The Serbs who died during the Nato bombing of Kosovo in 1999 had a "crusader" mentality to which he aspired. Questioned about his radicalisation, he said that the Serbian bombing was for him "the straw that broke the camel's back".
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can I infer anything from this?
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Poor misguided fool. An example of how the rightist extremist Serbian propaganda of the 90's, still surviving today in some places touched Norway with devastating effects. It would be interesting to know which sites he frequented, maybe we have had him here on B92 as well in the past. Certain nicknames come to mind.
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In his manifesto he claimed that the main reason for going ahead with the killings was NATO's bombing of Serbia. Looks like NATO can add another 77 deaths to its aggression against Serbia.
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IMAGINE!!!
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So Breivik learning from the best, the Serbs extremists. No surprise really. Down with all sorts of extremists.
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Out of this monstrous crime/tragedy a lot of things are surfacing, such as Serb extremism being involved around the globe. Stay tune for more during this trial.
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So Breivik learning from the best, the Serbs extremists. No surprise really. Down with all sorts of extremists.
(Mendo, 18 April 2012 20:49)
fully agree - down with ALbanian extremism and jihado-fashism in KiM and return the Province to her lawful owners!
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Yes my friends, NATO's aggression against Serbia has caused a lot of extremists to surface around the world. They have seen the injustice and lies coming from Western countries, Albanians, etc...
Here are a couple of examples from a Jewish guy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGDTsiuxwrM (About Albanians)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft24XkbjPBk (About Croatians)
NATO is succeeding is spreading hatred and violence around the world, right?
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It would be interesting to know which sites he frequented, maybe we have had him here on B92 as well in the past. Certain nicknames come to mind.
(Reader, 18 April 2012 18:37)
he might have "been" an ex-KFOR i would say. Or an irish idiot.
Zoki: all idiots in europe were against NATO intervention in 99. Breivek was and is not alone.
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(Reader, 18 April 2012 18:37)
Yeah, we may have had some of the Albanian terrorists that killed American soldiers in Germany, attacked U.S. bases in America, and planned the recent suicide attack in Florida, here on B92 also.
If I remember correctly, Sami Osmakac (the Albanian terrorist in Florida), from Kosovo, had a brother named Avni Osmakac. The name "Avni" rings a bell for some reason. Might have seen that name around here on B92. Hmmm.
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LOL Zoran, yes it is of course NATO's fault. This is exactly what rightist extremists sites in Serbia say and that is most likely how he picked that up 12 years after NATO's action against Serbia's regime.
I would not call that "manifesto" either. The communist parties and such had manifestos. What he had is just a personal notebook or diary with a lot of crap inside. Not worthy of being elevated to a "manifesto".
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Why didn´t you mention the israeli/Zionist connection B92?
Just weeks prior to the murder spree and since years before, this outspoken Zionist and Norwegian free-mason member was chatting with his Shas party/ Barush Goldstein kind of brain washed friends in Tel aviv. Influence anybody? Well, ask the Palestinians. They get their share of death-by racial hatred every day...
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I wouldn't be surprised if this is true.
He met with Extremists from most Christian European countries.
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Whatever. So, lots of western european fascists and nazis went to fight for the croatians in 1991. Lots of Mujahedeen from Afghanistan, Pakistan the UK and Europe went to fight in Bosnia for the 'Bosniaks' and came home fully trained to carry out terrorist attacks (UK/Spain etc.).
Can I infer anything from this or shall I just take everything in isolation so that it only matches my opinion?
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@Reader
If you are trying to blame this psycho's horrific crime on a Serb then you must be out of your mind.
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Zoki: all idiots in europe were against NATO intervention in 99. Breivek was and is not alone.
(ben, 18 April 2012 19:59)
hence most of the people in Europe were against NATO`s illegal intervention, then they are idiots - that what mentally sick people do first - point at somebody else. do not worry - now even the smartest have understood they chose the wrong side - muslim extremism and crimeinfested Kosovo. dear fake illyrians - hope that Hoxha will resurrect and isolate your superior culture from the idiots...lol
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can I infer anything from this?
(Nikolle, 18 April 2012 16:48)
Nope. Because reading your comments about 5 killed Macedonians I can get really angry, steal an AK-47, get into Emona Market in Vushtrri and spray it with bullets, making sure that as much as possible young ladies and families get killed (who have not ever a slightest connection to KLA).
Than I will say, it's all your fault, I just got angry reading your comments.
Curious, will be such excuse accepted by the court or maybe not. Afraid, not.
We had in California a similar case, called "Yosemite killer", the guy raped and killed young ladies around Yosemite.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cary_Stayner
Was caught and blamed the "voices in the skies" commanding him to do what he did and he had apparently a troubled childhood. Too bad, the judge an jurrors were not impressed and delivered the death penalty. He is on the "death row", good riddance, for sure he won't be missed.
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How can someone claim that he is protecting Norwegians from muslims by killing the Norwegians?
He should be declared insane and spend the rest of his life in a mental institution.
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Seems like Breivik shares the same mindset as quite a few commentators on B92.
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@SCP UK,
No, not trying to blame it on a Serb but on a group of beliefs, fantasies and other crap propagated by *some* Serbs and their extreme right friends. Indirectly though, the main person to blame is Breivik himself. And mind you, there is a difference between a normal Serb and an extremist. I blame nothing on the former. But if you take a deranged individual like Breivik, he is going to only kill pigs probably to satisfy the voices in his head. Maybe even people. Fuel those voices in his head with extremist crap and paranoid conspiracy theories that are only about hate and you get a mass murderer. Our friend Zoran here even admits that in his mind he punished Norwegians for the NATO action against the Serbian regime. Zoran has the same storyline as those fantasies and conspiracy theories. A perfect circle.
@Steve B.
Maybe, one can never know. However, if you have paid attention, nobody from the Albanian commentators here has ever gone into speaking about Muslims VS. Christians and other religious wars crap. Not that I remember at least. The focus of the narrative on this side of the fence is just ethnic, Serbs vs. Albanians and events are interpreted inside that frame. And propaganda happens also inside that frame. So, it is not likely we have had any of those other religious crazies you talk about who attacked Americans here on B92. They were fueled by a different sort of conspiracy theories and propaganda, which originates outside of the Balkans.
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@ Zoran: I don't know who you are and what's your story, but in any normally functioning state you would be put under close watch because you are a danger, in this case, to the Serbian national interests and humanity. You go out of the way to blame NATO and Albanians on everything, even on matters that only exist on mentally ill people and you might be one of them. For God's sake check yourself out before you commit yourself to doing something even more dangerous and hurt yourself and others.
(Diplomaicus, 19 April 2012 01:14)
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LOL! Check myself out for having an opinion and utilising freedom of speech? I'm in no way supporting the action of this nutcase but you have to understand the justification he used. Perhaps you should study the law of attraction somewhat, you know, like attracts like. So if a world power (in this case NATO) is run by a bunch of nutcases with nutcase policies then it will certainly attract nutcases.
There is simply no moral justification to go around the world spreading death, destruction and extremist behaviour unless the underlying purpose is purely evil. It is not like NATO is going around the world preaching peace, harmony, tolerance, forgiveness, reconciliation, etc... It is spreading division, violence, hatred, destruction, death, revenge, instability and extremism. Open your eyes and see for yourself.
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what can i say, you have nutbags everywehre
(Nikolle, 19 April 2012 12:17)
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Not me but *we* have nut cases everywhere. The destruction of Yugoslavia was an example of the West going mad again, starting with the reunification of Germany and some dusty agendas being reviewed.
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I dont believe a word this nutter says,he's only trying this 'global conspiracy' idea to appease his ego. Lets take a look at where he got his his "Knights Templar Uniform"
Brevik's Uniform - http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?q=knights+templar+uniform&hl=en&biw=1024&bih=506&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=GfgJcFYiOK9_BM:&imgrefurl=http://www.abacusnews.com/news/11/013-anders-breivik-knights-templar-uniform.php&docid=iduaPU8jGq5HaM&imgurl=http://www.abacusnews.com/images/knight-templar-uniform-300x458.jpg&w=300&h=458&ei=DyqPT5b7KeTjmAWiyrCAAg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=289&vpy=96&dur=4367&hovh=278&hovw=182&tx=118&ty=176&sig=112592140689001103792&page=1&tbnh=146&tbnw=75&start=0&ndsp=11&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:68
His Jacket - http://www.ebay.com/itm/WWII-Marine-wool-blue-uniform-pants-jacket-10-85-US-priority-shipping-/180862847474?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a1c4409f2
His Aiguillette - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aiguillette-Gold-Wire-Cord-Army-R107-/200691731064?pt=UK_Collectables_Militaria_LE&hash=item2eba28ca78
His Shoulder Boards - http://www.ebay.com/itm/KNIGHT-TEMPLAR-PAST-COMMANDER-SHOULDER-BOARDS-SB-003-/200743196331?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ebd3a16ab
His Belt - http://www.ebay.com/itm/Russian-Soviet-Marines-OFFICER-Leather-BELT-HOLSTER-/110863532189?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19cffb409d
His Collar Tabs - http://www.ebay.com/itm/PATCH-BADGE-RED-CROSS-IRON-PATCH-SEW-PARCHE-CUSTOM-ENDURO-MOTORBIKE-/150799260548?pt=UK_Collectables_Badges_Patches_MJ&hash=item231c561b84
And Finally, a Real Knights Templar Uniform - http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?q=knights+templar+uniform&hl=en&gbv=2&biw=1024&bih=506&tbm=isch&tbnid=YYOGuL6hTn4W5M:&imgrefurl=http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/KT_California_Uniform.htm&docid=qxQHO5YnchlJEM&imgurl=http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/masonicmuseum/images/california_cmdry_no_1.jpg&w=710&h=529&ei=nyyPT5PzIMW1iQeAi_XXDA&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=104&vpy=146&dur=700&hovh=194&hovw=260&tx=108&ty=126&sig=112592140689001103792&page=1&tbnh=147&tbnw=192&start=0&ndsp=12&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:64
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I see now, Breivik claims he talked to a Serb extremist, and I imagine that inspired his to do what he did, but he will not give a name. Now even if he did meet with this extremist the Serb took NO part in the massacre.
On the Albanian side we have had a few TERROIST incidents such as shooting of freedom-loving soldier in Germany as well as in Kosovo and wait until the Albanian contingent comes back from Afghanistan then you will see radical Islam spread like wild fire amongst the Albanians.
To the Albo troll don’t get over excited as this as it BS of the highest order, but your record in terror is factual.
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Our friend Zoran here even admits that in his mind he punished Norwegians for the NATO action against the Serbian regime. Zoran has the same storyline as those fantasies and conspiracy theories. A perfect circle.
(Reader, 18 April 2012 23:03)
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LOL! My friend, I read it in his manifesto so don't shoot the messenger. Check it for yourself here -> http://unitednations.ispnw.org/archives/breivik-manifesto-2011.pdf
Also check -> http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/nato-bombing-of-serbia-set-off-norwegian-bomber
However, just like yourself, Western media have spun it and blamed Serbian nationalists. Check -> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/apr/18/anders-behring-breivik-serb-nationalists?newsfeed=true
The simple fact is that he specifically blamed NATO's bombing of Serbia as the main motivation for killing those people. For some reason, that is missing from the Western press. I wonder why?
You see, NATO's aggression has created many extremists. In Yugoslavia it supported genocide in Croatia and KiM while blaming Serbs for those actions. It went into Iraq and Afghanistan, where people turned into suicide bombers and over a million people died as a result.
I know you are an apologist for NATO's extremist actions but that has been balanced by extremist actions of individuals. NATO cannot go around the world causing mass murder and destruction and not expect extremist actions in return. Even US soldiers are becoming nut cases and talking photos of themselves with body parts of suicide bombers. Check -> http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=04&dd=18&nav_id=79832 and this one, where a soldier goes on a shooting spree himself -> http://www.b92.net/eng/news/world-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=03&dd=11&nav_id=79210 and this one, where NATO soldiers shoot at Serbian civilians -> http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2011&mm=09&dd=27&nav_id=76572
We are dealing with nut cases on all levels my friend, from the nut cases in the US government and NATO, which as a result creates many individual nut cases. So my point again, NATO is succeeding in spreading death, destruction and extremism around the world, correct?
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yes Zoran
and if the strongest military power in the former Yugoslavia (Serbia) attracts madmen like Sloba, Mladic, Karadic, Arkan, Sesel (of course, supported by the vessel of Serbian extremism and nationalism, the Serb Orthodox Church ) to wage war in the name of a Greater Serbia then you have a lot to answer for. btw, i saw that youtube of that jewish guy, what can i say, you have nutbags everywehre
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tell that"unity in diversity" to exSU people,exYU people, muslim supremacists in Arabic countries, "illyrian" supremacists-fashists
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"and wait until the Albanian contingent comes back from Afghanistan then you will see radical Islam spread like wild fire amongst the Albanians. "
(sj, 19 April 2012 00:33)
hahaha, is that how it works, one goes to afghanistan and catches on islamic fire? and then spreads it? is that what has been happening to thousands of other soldiers? you have a vivid imagination my friend. keep telling tales to yourself.
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Though this guy's acts are his alone and he must take full responsibility for them, we all must take responsibility for our actions as well. What we say and imply, even in a forum like this, has consequences and people must be mindful of this. Now i don't know the criteria for posting here. One might be an academic or an ignorant adolescent mumbling through and saying things randomly, but that may have serious repercussions.
@ Zoran: I don't know who you are and what's your story, but in any normally functioning state you would be put under close watch because you are a danger, in this case, to the Serbian national interests and humanity. You go out of the way to blame NATO and Albanians on everything, even on matters that only exist on mentally ill people and you might be one of them. For God's sake check yourself out before you commit yourself to doing something even more dangerous and hurt yourself and others.
Breivik is a nut case! He killed innocent people, Norwegians not the imaginary enemy! He is the modern Don Quixote fighting windmills. It is sad that he took a dark page from the modern history of the Serbian people and turned it into an excuse to kill. It is an indignity done to Serbia and the Serbian nation. Instead of there being frontal repulsion of this man's ideas, I see people nodding their heads at what he has to say. What a shame. To think that in our day and age we have come so far in understanding our common humanity, only to be thwarted by these "talibans" (muslim, christian and atheist alike)!
I for one believe in the EU motto: united in diversity. Those that don't appreciate it should not get visa liberalization and should be caged in like wild animals so that they taste their own medicine. There are no superior and inferior individuals, nations and cultures because everything is relative. What we have is the gift of life and the ability to experience it. Let's not waste it.
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oh yeah, back to the conspiracy theories. the west destroyed yugoslavia! yes, they made the serbs bomb vukovar, siege sarajevo and of course...Srebrenica. its never the fault of say the yugslavs, always the evil meddling west. if only they'd left them alone, you could see they were electing moderates in Sloba, Tudjman etc. but no no, it was the west. by the way, are you actually saying the unification of germany was a bad idea? could you please tell me which books you've been reading?
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@ Zoran: You write: "Perhaps you should study the law of attraction somewhat, you know, like attracts like. So if a world power (in this case NATO) is run by a bunch of nutcases with nutcase policies then it will certainly attract nutcases. "
Dear Zoran, this psychopath associated himself with some extremist Serbs not NATO! Your argument is seriously flawed and you are involuntarily implying that people considered as Serb national heroes in this forum are actually just as psychotic.
On Kosovo, Serbia over did it with the use of force. The loss of Kosovo by Serbia is squarely its own geopolitical mistake. The rise of Serb nationalism in the late 1980' at a time of growing openness and integration in Europe was off the mark by the Serb political elite and academia. Serbia is in the middle of Europe not in Central Asia! It must consider carefully its geostrategy or risk further disintegration.
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Zoran,
you are hopeless but I will keep talking to you. You say I don't condone his actions but I understand his reasons. And it is a mad man's reasons you understand. And you understand them, because he got them in his head, and then in his diary, by going around extremist Serb sites. Or by talking to some guy in Liberia. That is all there is to it. You should perhaps reflect what company you are with in that little corner of ideas.
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"Ataman , I realy want to know your opinion about these comments."
(moisi, 19 April 2012 07:45)
Do not bug Ataman. If it is not about wives of people or donkeys, he is not that interested. His preferred activity is to make fun of Albanians, so there is not much food for him in this article.
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The truth hurts!
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@ To Mendo
Still you not being honest and fair. I said down with all extremists but you are still protecting those from Serbia who teached Brevik how to execute people in mass just like Serb extremist did in the 1990s.
Cheers
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Yes my friends, NATO's aggression against Serbia has caused a lot of extremists to surface around the world. They have seen the injustice and lies coming from Western countries, Albanians, etc...
Here are a couple of examples from a Jewish guy.
[link] (About Albanians)
[link] (About Croatians)
Ataman , I realy want to know your opinion about these comments.
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You say I don't condone his actions but I understand his reasons. And it is a mad man's reasons you understand.
(Reader, 19 April 2012 15:35)
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The law of attraction my friend. Like attracts like. Some mad men cause instability in other countries invites other mad men to cause instability in their countries. Why do you think people blow themselves up in trains, planes and automobiles? We have a trend and it all comes down to greed, ego and fear.
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We have a trend and it all comes down to greed, ego and fear.
(Zoran, 19 April 2012 19:04)
Indeed and quite ironic to hear that, however blaming NATO for 77 dead Norwegians to remove the spotlight of serb extremist influence on this freak of nature is like trying to hide Pi** with sh**. Pardon my profanity.
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The Knights Templar cultural identity was imported from Serbia, he said. The Serbs who died during the Nato bombing of Kosovo in 1999 had a "crusader" mentality to which he aspired. Questioned about his radicalisation, he said that the Serbian bombing was for him "the straw that broke the camel's back".
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"Ataman , I realy want to know your opinion about these comments."
(moisi, 19 April 2012 07:45)
he is 1000% on the spot, pretty much like Julia Gorina.
In America if you get mired into complex explanations you are a loser. John Kerry learned that hard way.
You need things explained simple and enthusiastic way, even if the truth is much more complex.
Don't write a PhD essay. It is not appreciated.
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Do not bug Ataman. If it is not about wives of people or donkeys, he is not that interested. His preferred activity is to make fun of Albanians, so there is not much food for him in this article.
(Reader, 19 April 2012 16:01)
Wives and laties are great for me. Not my fault if fun riding donkeys uphill while holding a screaming Macedonian girl in right hand and her kidney in your left hand is your passion. I need the girl with kidney back where it belongs, you can keep the donkey.
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