WW2 communist veterans website hacked

Serbian Communists, do they still exist? I thought they were thrown into the garbage of history, to be studied and analized. Serb communists that executed our General Draza...well...lets say rats deserve better! With their support of a Hungarian Croat communist idiot named Tito, it actually had a direct impact in the destruction of Yugoslavia, the wars of the 90s, and the destructive element of albanian expansionism by opening the borders to a flood of orcs from Mordor into Serb Kosovo and Macedonia.

Time to push the remaining commi bastards out the same window Draza was pushed from. End of story, Long live the KING!

In central London one can find statues of both Charles the First and Oliver Cromwell. Both men bitterly opposed each other during the English Civil War in the seventeenth century.

Under Cromwell's republic Charles the First was tried and executed for more or less the same reasons as Mihailovic.

And yet we honour both men. Why?

Because, for all our faults, we are politically mature and recognise such men for their contribution to our history regardless of whether we agree or not with their ideologies.

Serbs are relatively more politically mature than most other states in the Balkans, but obviously some elements are not quite there yet.

What is the matter with you?if it wasn't for Tito and the Partizans the NAZIS would have run riot over Yugoslavia,some of those Chetniks collaborated with the Germans,thats a fact.

I'm a 'commi bastard' who fought for Yugoslavia, now what you going to to do about it. Are you going to throw me out the window?
(Janez-Beograd, 26 March 2012 21:56)

No, Tito and his crew helped flush you and the country down the toilet. You had 55+ years, not it's our turn.

The voice of reason and truth for Draza's rehabilitation is a just cause.
We would like the truth to be told, and Yugo/commie style revisionism dead. We're not looking for revenge or reparations.

Simply, an official correction.
Nobody needs to get offended by the truth.

A lot of the stories about Mihajlovic were made up by the winning side, as history is always written by them.
WW2 resistance was groups of people loosely controlled by a central command. In other words some did as they pleased and that is why Chetniks did get that reputation, but other side did the same thing and with control of the media it was never mentioned, and anyone who opened his mouth in the early days was lined up and shot.
Ask the authorities to dig along the Zastava wall fronting the main road going out of Kragujevac towards Jagodinu. It is a trench 2 meters by 2 meters with plenty of bodies of people not liked by the communists. Try also dig an area called Kapislana in Kragujevac – plenty there too and all courtesy of comrade Tito.

Time to push the remaining commi bastards out the same window Draza was pushed from. End of story, Long live the KING!
(supporter, 26 March 2012 17:36)

I'm a 'commi bastard' who fought for Yugoslavia, now what you going to to do about it. Are you going to throw me out the window?

"What is the matter with you?if it wasn't for Tito and the Partizans the NAZIS would have run riot over Yugoslavia,some of those Chetniks collaborated with the Germans,thats a fact."

Actually it was Tito and his men who were meeting with the Nazis, and the Partizans and Tito were given credit for things the Chetniks did - this was discovered in British and U.S. records. The Brit communists were lying about Mihailovic and inflating Tito.
Tito was mostly hiding in caves in Bosnia and actually leaving the country, during the war, to met with U.S. and Brits, and the British and U.S. acted as his airforce bombing Serbian civilians to soften Serbia up for the communist takeover - meanwhile the Allies left the Gestapo headquarters in Belgrade untouched.

The Communists' fighting against the Nazis was built on lies and false credits, Tito didn't even start fighting until months after the Germans bombed and invaded - it was the Chetniks who started the uprising.
Most of his fighting was against the Chetniks.

In addition he killed 100s of thousands of Serbs at the end and AFTER the war. He also stole the property of many Serbs and because of this Serbia has claims against a lot of property by the Serbian diaspora descendants, whose ancestors had to escape the dictator thief Tito.

@TP
I think you raise a valid point and I agree with the gist of your argument. However what you fail to grasp is that England has had centuries of space and reflection to consider who did what to whom dispassionately.
Serbia has never had that luxury. Mihailovic was a tragic figure abandoned to his fate by a perfidious West obsessed with Tito. By all accounts he himself was a decent man. I think it right that his role in the anti-German struggle (he was undoubtedly the first to raise the banner of resistance in 1941) is officially recognised.

@supporter

I couldn't agree more with what you said.

except Mihajlovic was shot, not pushed out of a window.

As with a lot of history, without a time machine it's impossible to resolve these arguements. People from both sides will always find new "evidence" or dismiss the other's "evidence" as fabricated.

(ida, 27 March 2012 11:08)

What you say is mostly true, Tito sent his attaches in 1943 to the Germans for collaboration and a continuation of the non-aggression pact. He did this after the Brits knew the tide would turn in Stalin’s favour. They divided the Balkans, the Brits wanted Greece at all costs and sacrificed Romania, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia in initial negotiations with Stalin, confirmed later in Yalta.

So, if Tito wasn’t executed along with Draza for the same reasons then there was no fair trial. If Draza is not celebrated as a hero as afforded to Tito, then there is no Serbia.

All this aside talking about today, the history books have created some of the weakest generation of Serbs in history. They are still clinging onto a nostalgia that has passed away two decades ago. Some of these believe that their grandparents fairy tales has entitled them to the continuation of a privileged social or economic status. Serbia is held hostage to this behaviour while the Diaspora patiently and willingly waits to invest not just money but a healthy jolt of life to the melancholic social state it became.

Serbia’s brightest and economically well established left, now retired many would like to come back and see out their time, give them a reason. Many of their children are bright and business minded, give them a reason. Serbia is not just about Partisans or just one part. Serbia belongs to all Serbs not just one or Yugoslavs.

Serbian Communists, do they still exist? I thought they were thrown into the garbage of history, to be studied and analized. Serb communists that executed our General Draza...well...lets say rats deserve better! With their support of a Hungarian Croat communist idiot named Tito, it actually had a direct impact in the destruction of Yugoslavia, the wars of the 90s, and the destructive element of albanian expansionism by opening the borders to a flood of orcs from Mordor into Serb Kosovo and Macedonia.

Time to push the remaining commi bastards out the same window Draza was pushed from. End of story, Long live the KING!

What is the matter with you?if it wasn't for Tito and the Partizans the NAZIS would have run riot over Yugoslavia,some of those Chetniks collaborated with the Germans,thats a fact.

In central London one can find statues of both Charles the First and Oliver Cromwell. Both men bitterly opposed each other during the English Civil War in the seventeenth century.

Under Cromwell's republic Charles the First was tried and executed for more or less the same reasons as Mihailovic.

And yet we honour both men. Why?

Because, for all our faults, we are politically mature and recognise such men for their contribution to our history regardless of whether we agree or not with their ideologies.

Serbs are relatively more politically mature than most other states in the Balkans, but obviously some elements are not quite there yet.

Time to push the remaining commi bastards out the same window Draza was pushed from. End of story, Long live the KING!
(supporter, 26 March 2012 17:36)

I'm a 'commi bastard' who fought for Yugoslavia, now what you going to to do about it. Are you going to throw me out the window?

I'm a 'commi bastard' who fought for Yugoslavia, now what you going to to do about it. Are you going to throw me out the window?
(Janez-Beograd, 26 March 2012 21:56)

No, Tito and his crew helped flush you and the country down the toilet. You had 55+ years, not it's our turn.

The voice of reason and truth for Draza's rehabilitation is a just cause.
We would like the truth to be told, and Yugo/commie style revisionism dead. We're not looking for revenge or reparations.

Simply, an official correction.
Nobody needs to get offended by the truth.

"What is the matter with you?if it wasn't for Tito and the Partizans the NAZIS would have run riot over Yugoslavia,some of those Chetniks collaborated with the Germans,thats a fact."

Actually it was Tito and his men who were meeting with the Nazis, and the Partizans and Tito were given credit for things the Chetniks did - this was discovered in British and U.S. records. The Brit communists were lying about Mihailovic and inflating Tito.
Tito was mostly hiding in caves in Bosnia and actually leaving the country, during the war, to met with U.S. and Brits, and the British and U.S. acted as his airforce bombing Serbian civilians to soften Serbia up for the communist takeover - meanwhile the Allies left the Gestapo headquarters in Belgrade untouched.

The Communists' fighting against the Nazis was built on lies and false credits, Tito didn't even start fighting until months after the Germans bombed and invaded - it was the Chetniks who started the uprising.
Most of his fighting was against the Chetniks.

In addition he killed 100s of thousands of Serbs at the end and AFTER the war. He also stole the property of many Serbs and because of this Serbia has claims against a lot of property by the Serbian diaspora descendants, whose ancestors had to escape the dictator thief Tito.

@supporter

I couldn't agree more with what you said.

except Mihajlovic was shot, not pushed out of a window.

A lot of the stories about Mihajlovic were made up by the winning side, as history is always written by them.
WW2 resistance was groups of people loosely controlled by a central command. In other words some did as they pleased and that is why Chetniks did get that reputation, but other side did the same thing and with control of the media it was never mentioned, and anyone who opened his mouth in the early days was lined up and shot.
Ask the authorities to dig along the Zastava wall fronting the main road going out of Kragujevac towards Jagodinu. It is a trench 2 meters by 2 meters with plenty of bodies of people not liked by the communists. Try also dig an area called Kapislana in Kragujevac – plenty there too and all courtesy of comrade Tito.

@TP
I think you raise a valid point and I agree with the gist of your argument. However what you fail to grasp is that England has had centuries of space and reflection to consider who did what to whom dispassionately.
Serbia has never had that luxury. Mihailovic was a tragic figure abandoned to his fate by a perfidious West obsessed with Tito. By all accounts he himself was a decent man. I think it right that his role in the anti-German struggle (he was undoubtedly the first to raise the banner of resistance in 1941) is officially recognised.

As with a lot of history, without a time machine it's impossible to resolve these arguements. People from both sides will always find new "evidence" or dismiss the other's "evidence" as fabricated.

(ida, 27 March 2012 11:08)

What you say is mostly true, Tito sent his attaches in 1943 to the Germans for collaboration and a continuation of the non-aggression pact. He did this after the Brits knew the tide would turn in Stalin’s favour. They divided the Balkans, the Brits wanted Greece at all costs and sacrificed Romania, Bulgaria and Yugoslavia in initial negotiations with Stalin, confirmed later in Yalta.

So, if Tito wasn’t executed along with Draza for the same reasons then there was no fair trial. If Draza is not celebrated as a hero as afforded to Tito, then there is no Serbia.

All this aside talking about today, the history books have created some of the weakest generation of Serbs in history. They are still clinging onto a nostalgia that has passed away two decades ago. Some of these believe that their grandparents fairy tales has entitled them to the continuation of a privileged social or economic status. Serbia is held hostage to this behaviour while the Diaspora patiently and willingly waits to invest not just money but a healthy jolt of life to the melancholic social state it became.

Serbia’s brightest and economically well established left, now retired many would like to come back and see out their time, give them a reason. Many of their children are bright and business minded, give them a reason. Serbia is not just about Partisans or just one part. Serbia belongs to all Serbs not just one or Yugoslavs.