IM: Elections in Kosovo not disputable

Hey, come on Albanians, don't be bad mouthing our Ivica, The Edge. He's doing what he feels is right for Serbia, you cannot blame him for that. Plus he is trying to hold on to his large seat in politics. But honestly, he is correct. If the Serbs in N. KiM have been voting in Serbian elections up till now, why should this year be any different? As a side bar, I just read on the Serbian sight that the Kosova delegation walked out on their first regional meeting, with their footnote, and the Serbs in a Podgorica meeting did the same. Great to see that the EU arm-twisting is paying off and finally getting some good cooperation between the Serbs and Albanians. Pressuring people, especially governments, has always been my idea of how to obtain good neighborly relations. Bravo EU!

"Serbia is a state whose sovereignty should be respected and Kosovo is not a state because it is not recognized by the UN,"

I do not think you can get it more clear than this. Maybe you want it on a paper.

And how will "Kosova" stop the Serbs in the North from voting. Is Thaci going to try and send his goon squad there again (and get their asses kicked again)? Are you going to go there yourself, because you sound pretty scary when you type? Is Pristina going to ask KFOR to intervene? That won't happen either, because KFOR stated, "elections are not our concern". So tell me bad boy/girl, how are you and Kosova going to stop the Serbs from voting? I'd like for you to explain that to me.

“Serbia absolutely does not want to talk about whether it should call the elections in Kosovo and Metohija. So far the elections have been held for 12-13 years and I don’t know why they would be disputable now,” Dačić explained. 

First of all Ivica & Co you guys want the international community to respect resolution 1244, while you don't respect the resolution. Acording to the resolution ( 1244 ) Serbia is not allowed to hold elections in kosovo. So why don't you guys respect Resolution 1244?

“Our state is not going to ask anyone from the outside whether it should call the elections or not. Serbia is a state whose sovereignty should be respected and Kosovo is not a state because it is not recognized by the UN,”

Who are UN to decide who is a state or not? 

Switzerland was not a member of the UN the until the 10 September of 2002. So does that mean that Switzerland was not a country before 10 of september 2002?.

You guys took kosovo to the International court of justice and you failed big time. Because Belgrad with Vuk in the front was so hyped about ICJ rule. It's not a good looking guys ( More recognition is coming soon )

He is right: for 12-13 years Serbia was violating the res 1244 and no one in the inter community ever cared about it, so why now is a problem??

is the problem in the Serbian doible standards?? insists on 1244 form the Kosovas represenaton but thet ignores the same 1244 when call for elections in Kosova??? this is the problem???

Kosovo being independent not disputable, everything else is disputable.

The official word from Serbia is that as far as they are concerned Resolution 1244 is null and void, because it gives the power for administration of elections to the international presence to be passed on to the democratically elected govt of Kosovo only.
This should be "end of discussion"!!

Kosovo being independent not disputable, everything else is disputable.
(Avni, 15 March 2012 12:49)
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Oh dear, more people with their head buried in the sand.

Dacic the question is not whether you will or want to hold election in Kosova. The question is whether you can ?

The election in Kosova will not be allowed to be held by the goverment of Kosova. Those people who tryes to hold election in the territory of Kosova will be arrested and detained for at least 30 days in custody. Your days in Kosova are over and it will be more and more obvious with time. One day you will realise and accept the fact that Kosova is a country.

But hey you can continue to beat your cheast for a while. Milosevic did the same.

Dacic the question is not whether you will or want to hold election in Kosova. The question is whether you can ?


(Demi, 15 March 2012 11:17)

Trust me Demi they can. Serbia has plenty of hardware to back up all her political decisions regading kosova.

Kosova on the other hand has 1,800 lightly amred members = hardware ZERO. But it has firends.

These good friends will do the following:

- Serbia expects for December 2012 the date for the start of negotiation process with EU.

- Serbia will hold elections in north Kosova.

EU will feel bit guilty towards Kosova since it twisted her arm to accept 1244, as Serbia was insisting on it, but now Serbia does not respct the same 1244 fro which she insisted, so EU will:

1. declare the elections in north as illegal and invalid
2. will not give the date for the start of the negoatiations in December 2013.
3. EU will give this date in March 2013 as Karl Bild will say: Serbia deserves it it has done a lot of good things.

and if they (EU) will feel being good towards kosova they will also say:

4. we accelerated the visa liberalization for Kosova so by 2015 Kosova can enjoy the viza-free regime

and if we really really want to dream EU will top on that

5. some 10-20milion € pinuts to 'strengthen' the Kosova's state budget. and perhaps membership in EBRD... but don't dream too much about this.. tehse things need time: says EU

Bottom line Kosova will remain with her finger in her mouth for the ONLY and ONLY one simple reason: Kosova has no hardware i.e. no state policiy.

US and UK will perhaps be the only one that will sincerely feel bad and send some other 10-20 instructures to train Kosova's FSK to fight the fire and other ER operations.

Thaci will be pleased. Kosovars stupid as they are will forget and forgive.

This is what will happen Demi.

From a nation that was expelled from her own homes by her neighbouring state and still buys 2/3 of all her daily needs from them what else can you excpect???

The decision to hold the elections in whole Serbia (including Kosovo) is pretty important. Not to do so would be a further and dececisive step to relinquish Serbias sovereignty over its territory in the south-west of Serbia.
But on thing Serbias political class should change in their language: "international Community". Who ist pressuring and blackmailing Serbia? It is not the interantional community. It is the West and it´s Vassal around the world. To mix up this facts puts Belgrade without necessity in a weak position.
The Secession-politics in Yugoslaiva and finally in Serbia is not only a problem of Belgrade. The impacts of this, of the massive violation of the national constitution and the international law is reaches far beyond the Balkans.

Kosovo needs to act decisevely in exercising its authority in the whole territory of Kosovo.

The decision to hold the elections in whole Serbia (including Kosovo) is pretty important. Not to do so would be a further and dececisive step to relinquish Serbias sovereignty over its territory in the south-west of Serbia.
But on thing Serbias political class should change in their language: "international Community". Who ist pressuring and blackmailing Serbia? It is not the interantional community. It is the West and it´s Vassal around the world. To mix up this facts puts Belgrade without necessity in a weak position.
The Secession-politics in Yugoslaiva and finally in Serbia is not only a problem of Belgrade. The impacts of this, of the massive violation of the national constitution and the international law is reaches far beyond the Balkans.
(Dr. Alexander S. Neu, 15 March 2012 10:15)

To be more precise the international community is nothing else but the international jewish lobby and their vassals.They are not the west but the inside enemy of the western culture as well.

Oh dear, more people with their head buried in the sand. Zoran
It's actually in their butts, not sand, Zoki. Animals that do not know better, put their heads in the sand for protection - but placing your head in your butt, exposes you to your own reality.

"Kosovo being independent not disputable, everything else is disputable.
(Avni, 15 March 2012 12:49)"

What is this mumbo jumbo from you? How can Kosovo;s independence be "not disputable" when Serbia is disuputing it?????

They can vote in local elections with Serbia's blessing but they cannot vote in the national elections. I wonder what that is saying to the world???
From the fact that the locals called their own resolution vote in defiance of the Serbian govt, they would have probably held their own local elections if Serbia said yea or nay.

See my earlier post, (winston, 15 March 2012 15:34), Lowe. It explains a lot.

Enough people already said that Serbia will not be allowed to uphold elections on Kosovo's soil and this going to happen. Discussion is over.

Mister Dacic ….time out !! Now you rase your voice for people on Kosovo,where you have been this 4 years!!?

From a nation that was expelled from her own homes by her neighbouring state and still buys 2/3 of all her daily needs from them what else can you excpect???
(ben, 15 March 2012 12:17)

Ben your preview sound logic, but I think you don’t hit the point.
You say “Kosovars are stupid as they are will forget and forgive”. This stupid people get away forever your “cradle” Kosova if you are a Serb.
Than you say “From a nation that was expelled from her own homes by her neighboring state and still buys 2/3 of all her daily needs from them what else can you excpect???”
If they get goods from Serbia with good price those people “Kosovars” what’s the problem. They seems to me clever people and they don’t mix pathetic nationalism with business. If your logic is right even the Serbs hasn’t to sell anything to Kosovars, cause they occupy their “cradle”. Now you have to find by yourself which is stupid one here. Don’t forget that Serbia export-import not only with Kosova, but also with NATO countries that has bomb Serbia 12 years before. Why they are doing business with them, are they stupid? I don’t think so.
For the topic, it’s not the question if you do or not election. The point is if this election is legal for the Government of Kosova and International Community. Even Albanians has done election during dictatorship of Milosevic, but the Government of Kosova was recognized at that time only by Republic of Albania. It is not enough.

winston, 15 March 2012 13:10)
The answer to the question is simple. In previous years Serbia wanted to openly defy resolution 1244, now Serbia displays it like a banner and claims it is the LAW everyone must adhere to.
It is a violation of 1244 for Serbia to schedule elections inside Kosovo.

This is illegal! NATO should stop them and arrest all involved in these illegal elections!
Kosova is independent, Serbia can't hold elections here for Christs sake!

And how will "Kosova" stop the Serbs in the North from voting. Is Thaci going to try and send his goon squad there again (and get their asses kicked again)? Are you going to go there yourself, because you sound pretty scary when you type? Is Pristina going to ask KFOR to intervene? That won't happen either, because KFOR stated, "elections are not our concern". So tell me bad boy/girl, how are you and Kosova going to stop the Serbs from voting? I'd like for you to explain that to me.
(winston, 15 March 2012 12:12)

stop them ?! why ?! just let Serbia violate resolution 1244 LOL

Kosovo needs to act decisevely in exercising its authority in the whole territory of Kosovo.

Dacic the question is not whether you will or want to hold election in Kosova. The question is whether you can ?

The election in Kosova will not be allowed to be held by the goverment of Kosova. Those people who tryes to hold election in the territory of Kosova will be arrested and detained for at least 30 days in custody. Your days in Kosova are over and it will be more and more obvious with time. One day you will realise and accept the fact that Kosova is a country.

But hey you can continue to beat your cheast for a while. Milosevic did the same.

"Serbia is a state whose sovereignty should be respected and Kosovo is not a state because it is not recognized by the UN,"

I do not think you can get it more clear than this. Maybe you want it on a paper.

“Serbia absolutely does not want to talk about whether it should call the elections in Kosovo and Metohija. So far the elections have been held for 12-13 years and I don’t know why they would be disputable now,” Dačić explained. 

First of all Ivica & Co you guys want the international community to respect resolution 1244, while you don't respect the resolution. Acording to the resolution ( 1244 ) Serbia is not allowed to hold elections in kosovo. So why don't you guys respect Resolution 1244?

“Our state is not going to ask anyone from the outside whether it should call the elections or not. Serbia is a state whose sovereignty should be respected and Kosovo is not a state because it is not recognized by the UN,”

Who are UN to decide who is a state or not? 

Switzerland was not a member of the UN the until the 10 September of 2002. So does that mean that Switzerland was not a country before 10 of september 2002?.

You guys took kosovo to the International court of justice and you failed big time. Because Belgrad with Vuk in the front was so hyped about ICJ rule. It's not a good looking guys ( More recognition is coming soon )

Kosovo being independent not disputable, everything else is disputable.

The official word from Serbia is that as far as they are concerned Resolution 1244 is null and void, because it gives the power for administration of elections to the international presence to be passed on to the democratically elected govt of Kosovo only.
This should be "end of discussion"!!

Hey, come on Albanians, don't be bad mouthing our Ivica, The Edge. He's doing what he feels is right for Serbia, you cannot blame him for that. Plus he is trying to hold on to his large seat in politics. But honestly, he is correct. If the Serbs in N. KiM have been voting in Serbian elections up till now, why should this year be any different? As a side bar, I just read on the Serbian sight that the Kosova delegation walked out on their first regional meeting, with their footnote, and the Serbs in a Podgorica meeting did the same. Great to see that the EU arm-twisting is paying off and finally getting some good cooperation between the Serbs and Albanians. Pressuring people, especially governments, has always been my idea of how to obtain good neighborly relations. Bravo EU!

He is right: for 12-13 years Serbia was violating the res 1244 and no one in the inter community ever cared about it, so why now is a problem??

is the problem in the Serbian doible standards?? insists on 1244 form the Kosovas represenaton but thet ignores the same 1244 when call for elections in Kosova??? this is the problem???

The decision to hold the elections in whole Serbia (including Kosovo) is pretty important. Not to do so would be a further and dececisive step to relinquish Serbias sovereignty over its territory in the south-west of Serbia.
But on thing Serbias political class should change in their language: "international Community". Who ist pressuring and blackmailing Serbia? It is not the interantional community. It is the West and it´s Vassal around the world. To mix up this facts puts Belgrade without necessity in a weak position.
The Secession-politics in Yugoslaiva and finally in Serbia is not only a problem of Belgrade. The impacts of this, of the massive violation of the national constitution and the international law is reaches far beyond the Balkans.

And how will "Kosova" stop the Serbs in the North from voting. Is Thaci going to try and send his goon squad there again (and get their asses kicked again)? Are you going to go there yourself, because you sound pretty scary when you type? Is Pristina going to ask KFOR to intervene? That won't happen either, because KFOR stated, "elections are not our concern". So tell me bad boy/girl, how are you and Kosova going to stop the Serbs from voting? I'd like for you to explain that to me.

Dacic the question is not whether you will or want to hold election in Kosova. The question is whether you can ?


(Demi, 15 March 2012 11:17)

Trust me Demi they can. Serbia has plenty of hardware to back up all her political decisions regading kosova.

Kosova on the other hand has 1,800 lightly amred members = hardware ZERO. But it has firends.

These good friends will do the following:

- Serbia expects for December 2012 the date for the start of negotiation process with EU.

- Serbia will hold elections in north Kosova.

EU will feel bit guilty towards Kosova since it twisted her arm to accept 1244, as Serbia was insisting on it, but now Serbia does not respct the same 1244 fro which she insisted, so EU will:

1. declare the elections in north as illegal and invalid
2. will not give the date for the start of the negoatiations in December 2013.
3. EU will give this date in March 2013 as Karl Bild will say: Serbia deserves it it has done a lot of good things.

and if they (EU) will feel being good towards kosova they will also say:

4. we accelerated the visa liberalization for Kosova so by 2015 Kosova can enjoy the viza-free regime

and if we really really want to dream EU will top on that

5. some 10-20milion € pinuts to 'strengthen' the Kosova's state budget. and perhaps membership in EBRD... but don't dream too much about this.. tehse things need time: says EU

Bottom line Kosova will remain with her finger in her mouth for the ONLY and ONLY one simple reason: Kosova has no hardware i.e. no state policiy.

US and UK will perhaps be the only one that will sincerely feel bad and send some other 10-20 instructures to train Kosova's FSK to fight the fire and other ER operations.

Thaci will be pleased. Kosovars stupid as they are will forget and forgive.

This is what will happen Demi.

From a nation that was expelled from her own homes by her neighbouring state and still buys 2/3 of all her daily needs from them what else can you excpect???

Kosovo being independent not disputable, everything else is disputable.
(Avni, 15 March 2012 12:49)
--
Oh dear, more people with their head buried in the sand.

"Kosovo being independent not disputable, everything else is disputable.
(Avni, 15 March 2012 12:49)"

What is this mumbo jumbo from you? How can Kosovo;s independence be "not disputable" when Serbia is disuputing it?????

See my earlier post, (winston, 15 March 2012 15:34), Lowe. It explains a lot.

From a nation that was expelled from her own homes by her neighbouring state and still buys 2/3 of all her daily needs from them what else can you excpect???
(ben, 15 March 2012 12:17)

Ben your preview sound logic, but I think you don’t hit the point.
You say “Kosovars are stupid as they are will forget and forgive”. This stupid people get away forever your “cradle” Kosova if you are a Serb.
Than you say “From a nation that was expelled from her own homes by her neighboring state and still buys 2/3 of all her daily needs from them what else can you excpect???”
If they get goods from Serbia with good price those people “Kosovars” what’s the problem. They seems to me clever people and they don’t mix pathetic nationalism with business. If your logic is right even the Serbs hasn’t to sell anything to Kosovars, cause they occupy their “cradle”. Now you have to find by yourself which is stupid one here. Don’t forget that Serbia export-import not only with Kosova, but also with NATO countries that has bomb Serbia 12 years before. Why they are doing business with them, are they stupid? I don’t think so.
For the topic, it’s not the question if you do or not election. The point is if this election is legal for the Government of Kosova and International Community. Even Albanians has done election during dictatorship of Milosevic, but the Government of Kosova was recognized at that time only by Republic of Albania. It is not enough.

They can vote in local elections with Serbia's blessing but they cannot vote in the national elections. I wonder what that is saying to the world???
From the fact that the locals called their own resolution vote in defiance of the Serbian govt, they would have probably held their own local elections if Serbia said yea or nay.

Oh dear, more people with their head buried in the sand. Zoran
It's actually in their butts, not sand, Zoki. Animals that do not know better, put their heads in the sand for protection - but placing your head in your butt, exposes you to your own reality.

The decision to hold the elections in whole Serbia (including Kosovo) is pretty important. Not to do so would be a further and dececisive step to relinquish Serbias sovereignty over its territory in the south-west of Serbia.
But on thing Serbias political class should change in their language: "international Community". Who ist pressuring and blackmailing Serbia? It is not the interantional community. It is the West and it´s Vassal around the world. To mix up this facts puts Belgrade without necessity in a weak position.
The Secession-politics in Yugoslaiva and finally in Serbia is not only a problem of Belgrade. The impacts of this, of the massive violation of the national constitution and the international law is reaches far beyond the Balkans.
(Dr. Alexander S. Neu, 15 March 2012 10:15)

To be more precise the international community is nothing else but the international jewish lobby and their vassals.They are not the west but the inside enemy of the western culture as well.

Enough people already said that Serbia will not be allowed to uphold elections on Kosovo's soil and this going to happen. Discussion is over.

Mister Dacic ….time out !! Now you rase your voice for people on Kosovo,where you have been this 4 years!!?

winston, 15 March 2012 13:10)
The answer to the question is simple. In previous years Serbia wanted to openly defy resolution 1244, now Serbia displays it like a banner and claims it is the LAW everyone must adhere to.
It is a violation of 1244 for Serbia to schedule elections inside Kosovo.

This is illegal! NATO should stop them and arrest all involved in these illegal elections!
Kosova is independent, Serbia can't hold elections here for Christs sake!

And how will "Kosova" stop the Serbs in the North from voting. Is Thaci going to try and send his goon squad there again (and get their asses kicked again)? Are you going to go there yourself, because you sound pretty scary when you type? Is Pristina going to ask KFOR to intervene? That won't happen either, because KFOR stated, "elections are not our concern". So tell me bad boy/girl, how are you and Kosova going to stop the Serbs from voting? I'd like for you to explain that to me.
(winston, 15 March 2012 12:12)

stop them ?! why ?! just let Serbia violate resolution 1244 LOL