Serbian member of Anonymous group arrested

I think that two obscure news that can be found in Internet in this moment, one in your site and the other in the RTS site, do not tell the exact facts. I doubt that there were any synchronous attacks to governmental sites. If so, distributed denial of service attack (DDoS) would flood the resources of governmental sites and disabled them for hours likewise in Operation Megaupload on January 19 this year. Obviously, a memeber of Serbian Anonymous managed to public a letter on the site of the Ministry of justice of Serbia, but he did it awkwardly, probably without knowing the ways of hiding IP address, so they easily tracked it an cought him. Another possibility is that the governmental sites were not attacked from enough large number of machines in peer-to-peer manner to saturate the target machines with external communications requests. So, Branko Stamenković should not be so proud in his assertions that the Attorney office for high technology criminal, the Service for fight against organised criminal and the Police department for high technology criminal achieved that which "Not many managed to do that elsewhere in the world." If a real attack happens, and that presume the participation of Anonymous not only from Serbia, who are still few, but from other parts of the world, the attorneys, prossecutors and policemen will be able only to stare at empty displays of their servers.

Danilo it may be true that there are a lot of people living with their parents for longer in Serbia. And it may be that this somewhat warps relations within said family when invariably the son doesn't mature as he should - and expects to be looked after as his mother looks after him.

However, its a fact that if there are no jobs then people living at home for longer is an inevitable effect. In order for you to prove your theory you would have to prove that there are thousands of jobs in the Serbian economy which are not being taken by said people living with parents. If those jobs don't exist there is nowhere for those people to go. In many countries of the west one can rely on the government for benefits for living costs and to pay rent. There is nothing of the sort in Serbia.

On the Serbian part of the site I read that the man arrested was owner of the site Elitesecurity, which is one of the most visited sites in Serbia, and of which I am a longstanding member. There you can find threads about anything from consumer items such as what kind of dishwashers are available in Serbia to deeper discussions on various topics. Frankly, I'd be proud of owning such a site, particularly in the Serbian context. Its nearest rival Benchmark over the past few years has fought something of a losing battle against elitesecurity as they competed against each other directly.

It doesn't seem to me that anything in the message left is something that you have disagreed with in the past, quite the contrary.

This constant lecture of 'a culture of entitlement' is very much a North American product and its mainly designed to draw away from the fact that the current global system is designed to not employ everybody and to pass the blame onto those who are unable to get jobs.

The fault for me is clearly with the global system for not wanting to employ everybody in the fist place.

On the Serbian part of the site this is the main headline. This article doesn't explain what Serbian hacker(s) did.

They hacked the Ministry of Justice site and left a message saying that whilst Serbian leaders such as Miskovic, Beko, Cvetkovic and Kostunica were living it up on Kapaonik, the supposed Serbian Davos, the rest of us are slipping further into bankruptcy.

'Is there one honest policeman, one honest public prosecutor or one honest judge to finally punish criminals / criminality?'

They said that nobody seemed to care / react to Verica Barac's documentation of corruption in Serbia. Also mentioned was the fact that people know that they are being stolen from even if they don't know exactly who was doing so - considering the fall in the value of the dinar.

I thought it was important that English language visitors to the site had some idea what was going on here. I don't know about the rest of you but firstly it seems to me that there are far more serious crimes going on in Serbia than hacking a ministry website. Secondly the message can't be ignored, it may paint an overly bleak picture but the fact is that nothing in the message is untrue.

pretty sad all-around.

Firstly, you've got boys living with mommy and daddy until, well forever. Some of these boys never get jobs and so there are a lot of idle hands in Serbia. This is partly due to the economy and partly due to an culture of enablement when it comes to mommy or daddy never telling little dejany to get a job, or get out of the house.

This "hacker" was one of these mommy-enabled little boys, regardless of his actual age.

also sad is the fact Serbia only has a pretend-democracy. I might get depressed too and not want to work if this were my country. People vote for parties but politicians are selected by the parties not by the people. Politicians are beholden only to their parties and not one iota to the people. Fix corruption? give me one good reason why any politician would be motivated to do such a thing in Serbia.

So, ya. This obviously unsophisticated "hacker" is probably a bit of a joke. But the message underlying the underlying message (kinda-sorta), that Serbia has a political class that its pretend-version of democracy enables and provides a natural disincentive to actually do anything for the people

bganon,

I have no idea who this guy is and I shouldn't have used this an an opportunity to vent something that makes me a little cranky about Serbia.

It's true that the economy is terrible in Serbia. It's true that the entire system discourages entrepreneurship. These are huge stumbling-blocks.

However, I see a couple of things. Firstly, Serbs are rather well educated, on average, and have plenty of opportunity for education. Also, people aren't any less or more intelligent here on average than elsewhere.

Secondly, the world doesn't exist to provide you a living. You have to get out there and make something for/of yourself. There might not be jobs, but there are plenty of opportunities. I look at Serbia and I see so much squandered opportunity. There's so much potential for people to come together, make companies and offer their services to companies abroad for double, triple what they could make in the domestic market. So many educated professionals are just sitting around hoping for something to happen. When I was a kid, like most kids, I knocked on neighbours' doors and asked if they wanted their lawn mowed for $5. When I lived in dedinje and had a lawn, not one kid came knocking asking if I wanted my lawn mowed. There simply isn't this "get out there and do something" culture here. There's a "sit around and hope something happens" attitude that's enabled by families. It's pretty much perfectly divided in Belgrade. If you're from Belgrade, you generally think you're something special, yet you live with your parents and don't have much all going for you professionally. People from outside of Belgrade generally are a bit different, working multiple jobs to pay the rent (and advancing professionally). I see this from all sides. I can't even count how many older folks I've run into who think it's perfectly ok for their kids to make excuses their whole lives and just live as children supported by their parents their whole lives - something that should be an embarrassment for both parents and kids, but somehow isn't in Serbia.

I'm starting to ramble, but I'm trying to make 2 basic points. Yes, I understand that life is a pain in the ass in Serbia. I'd go crazy if I didn't have help to handle basic life-administration in Belgrade. Also, however, I see so much squandered opportunity and I'm sick of hearing excuses from people, even you, to the effect of "oh, gee, life isn't perfect, so I'm just going to sit around and wait". (or, in your case, "since there isn't 100% global employment, it's understandable that joe-blow Belgrade doesn't have the balls to take life's lemons and make lemonade").

Part of it, yes, is that he simply doesn't know how.

Part of it is that he's enabled by a society that encourages him to sit at home or in the kafana all day and cry about how the world isn't fair.

jesus. why am I writing all this? This is completely off topic, because I generally agree with the complaints of this "hacker". But, also true is that he could probably be better spending his time, if he's as skilled as making websites as you say. There's plenty of a global marketplace for that type of work and he doesn't need to get off his chair to "knock on doors" (many of my North American friends in this field are working directly for Indian companies and getting paid well). On that note, I'd better make better use of MY time for the rest of the day.

I think that two obscure news that can be found in Internet in this moment, one in your site and the other in the RTS site, do not tell the exact facts. I doubt that there were any synchronous attacks to governmental sites. If so, distributed denial of service attack (DDoS) would flood the resources of governmental sites and disabled them for hours likewise in Operation Megaupload on January 19 this year. Obviously, a memeber of Serbian Anonymous managed to public a letter on the site of the Ministry of justice of Serbia, but he did it awkwardly, probably without knowing the ways of hiding IP address, so they easily tracked it an cought him. Another possibility is that the governmental sites were not attacked from enough large number of machines in peer-to-peer manner to saturate the target machines with external communications requests. So, Branko Stamenković should not be so proud in his assertions that the Attorney office for high technology criminal, the Service for fight against organised criminal and the Police department for high technology criminal achieved that which "Not many managed to do that elsewhere in the world." If a real attack happens, and that presume the participation of Anonymous not only from Serbia, who are still few, but from other parts of the world, the attorneys, prossecutors and policemen will be able only to stare at empty displays of their servers.

On the Serbian part of the site this is the main headline. This article doesn't explain what Serbian hacker(s) did.

They hacked the Ministry of Justice site and left a message saying that whilst Serbian leaders such as Miskovic, Beko, Cvetkovic and Kostunica were living it up on Kapaonik, the supposed Serbian Davos, the rest of us are slipping further into bankruptcy.

'Is there one honest policeman, one honest public prosecutor or one honest judge to finally punish criminals / criminality?'

They said that nobody seemed to care / react to Verica Barac's documentation of corruption in Serbia. Also mentioned was the fact that people know that they are being stolen from even if they don't know exactly who was doing so - considering the fall in the value of the dinar.

I thought it was important that English language visitors to the site had some idea what was going on here. I don't know about the rest of you but firstly it seems to me that there are far more serious crimes going on in Serbia than hacking a ministry website. Secondly the message can't be ignored, it may paint an overly bleak picture but the fact is that nothing in the message is untrue.

Danilo it may be true that there are a lot of people living with their parents for longer in Serbia. And it may be that this somewhat warps relations within said family when invariably the son doesn't mature as he should - and expects to be looked after as his mother looks after him.

However, its a fact that if there are no jobs then people living at home for longer is an inevitable effect. In order for you to prove your theory you would have to prove that there are thousands of jobs in the Serbian economy which are not being taken by said people living with parents. If those jobs don't exist there is nowhere for those people to go. In many countries of the west one can rely on the government for benefits for living costs and to pay rent. There is nothing of the sort in Serbia.

On the Serbian part of the site I read that the man arrested was owner of the site Elitesecurity, which is one of the most visited sites in Serbia, and of which I am a longstanding member. There you can find threads about anything from consumer items such as what kind of dishwashers are available in Serbia to deeper discussions on various topics. Frankly, I'd be proud of owning such a site, particularly in the Serbian context. Its nearest rival Benchmark over the past few years has fought something of a losing battle against elitesecurity as they competed against each other directly.

It doesn't seem to me that anything in the message left is something that you have disagreed with in the past, quite the contrary.

This constant lecture of 'a culture of entitlement' is very much a North American product and its mainly designed to draw away from the fact that the current global system is designed to not employ everybody and to pass the blame onto those who are unable to get jobs.

The fault for me is clearly with the global system for not wanting to employ everybody in the fist place.

bganon,

I have no idea who this guy is and I shouldn't have used this an an opportunity to vent something that makes me a little cranky about Serbia.

It's true that the economy is terrible in Serbia. It's true that the entire system discourages entrepreneurship. These are huge stumbling-blocks.

However, I see a couple of things. Firstly, Serbs are rather well educated, on average, and have plenty of opportunity for education. Also, people aren't any less or more intelligent here on average than elsewhere.

Secondly, the world doesn't exist to provide you a living. You have to get out there and make something for/of yourself. There might not be jobs, but there are plenty of opportunities. I look at Serbia and I see so much squandered opportunity. There's so much potential for people to come together, make companies and offer their services to companies abroad for double, triple what they could make in the domestic market. So many educated professionals are just sitting around hoping for something to happen. When I was a kid, like most kids, I knocked on neighbours' doors and asked if they wanted their lawn mowed for $5. When I lived in dedinje and had a lawn, not one kid came knocking asking if I wanted my lawn mowed. There simply isn't this "get out there and do something" culture here. There's a "sit around and hope something happens" attitude that's enabled by families. It's pretty much perfectly divided in Belgrade. If you're from Belgrade, you generally think you're something special, yet you live with your parents and don't have much all going for you professionally. People from outside of Belgrade generally are a bit different, working multiple jobs to pay the rent (and advancing professionally). I see this from all sides. I can't even count how many older folks I've run into who think it's perfectly ok for their kids to make excuses their whole lives and just live as children supported by their parents their whole lives - something that should be an embarrassment for both parents and kids, but somehow isn't in Serbia.

I'm starting to ramble, but I'm trying to make 2 basic points. Yes, I understand that life is a pain in the ass in Serbia. I'd go crazy if I didn't have help to handle basic life-administration in Belgrade. Also, however, I see so much squandered opportunity and I'm sick of hearing excuses from people, even you, to the effect of "oh, gee, life isn't perfect, so I'm just going to sit around and wait". (or, in your case, "since there isn't 100% global employment, it's understandable that joe-blow Belgrade doesn't have the balls to take life's lemons and make lemonade").

Part of it, yes, is that he simply doesn't know how.

Part of it is that he's enabled by a society that encourages him to sit at home or in the kafana all day and cry about how the world isn't fair.

jesus. why am I writing all this? This is completely off topic, because I generally agree with the complaints of this "hacker". But, also true is that he could probably be better spending his time, if he's as skilled as making websites as you say. There's plenty of a global marketplace for that type of work and he doesn't need to get off his chair to "knock on doors" (many of my North American friends in this field are working directly for Indian companies and getting paid well). On that note, I'd better make better use of MY time for the rest of the day.

pretty sad all-around.

Firstly, you've got boys living with mommy and daddy until, well forever. Some of these boys never get jobs and so there are a lot of idle hands in Serbia. This is partly due to the economy and partly due to an culture of enablement when it comes to mommy or daddy never telling little dejany to get a job, or get out of the house.

This "hacker" was one of these mommy-enabled little boys, regardless of his actual age.

also sad is the fact Serbia only has a pretend-democracy. I might get depressed too and not want to work if this were my country. People vote for parties but politicians are selected by the parties not by the people. Politicians are beholden only to their parties and not one iota to the people. Fix corruption? give me one good reason why any politician would be motivated to do such a thing in Serbia.

So, ya. This obviously unsophisticated "hacker" is probably a bit of a joke. But the message underlying the underlying message (kinda-sorta), that Serbia has a political class that its pretend-version of democracy enables and provides a natural disincentive to actually do anything for the people