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Thursday, 01.03.2012.

12:44

Ghana to shut down Belgrade embassy

Local Media in Ghana have reported that the African country will soon shut down its diplomatic mission in Serbia.

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vajsberg

pre 12 godina

On topic:
One of the Commonwealth members. Actually, the first African country to join Commonwealth (South Africa was the founder). Great move, Mr. Jeremic. Besides, I have never heard for the country sending the ambassador of another country to consult with his own foreign office. Sounds like pretty surreal "diplomacy" to me.
About off topic discussion in these comments:
It's equally senseless to argue with prejudices formed by nationalist propaganda of (post-)Milosevic Serbian media and with prejudices formed by talking points implemented in Western media by Ruder-Finn* as well.
* During the 90ies, Ruder-Finn was the PR agency of "Republic of Kosovo".

icj1

pre 12 godina

1) Kosovo was bombed more intensively.
2) Besides the bombing ethnic war was also going on in Kosovo.
(aaayyy, 2 March 2012 12:09)

You are wrong, dear... according to the former Commander of the VJ Air Force and Air Defence Belgrade suffered the most destruction, and yet people did not leave Belgrade, or other parts of the FRY, in the massive numbers which fled Kosovo. Therefore, the NATO bombing was not the
reason for the mass displacement of Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo.

http://www.icty.org/x/cases/milutinovic/tjug/en/090226summary.pdf
Page 3

Simple logic...

A follows B follows C ad nauseam

pre 12 godina

LOL! NATO invents operation Horse Shoe as an excuse to intervene in Kosovo to stop ethinc cleansing and by their own intervention make it happen. Bright guys. Well paid too.

Bwah Ha Ha!

pre 12 godina

Poor old ICJ1! Even the passage he quoted said that the mass movement of albanians happend AFTER NATO started bombing. Not before. As Jamie Shea, NATO spokesman of the time said, the ICTY is NATO's court and Louise Arbour refused to investigate NATO's actions. Transcripts from the ICTY quote KLA commanders telling albanians to flee. As if the ICTY was going to indict dear NATO for preciptating the war and acting as the KLA's airforce. But no, in ICJ1's little mind where the ICTY is bought and paid for by the usual suspects, he pokes his podgy little fingers at the text and squeals at the same time but cannot entertain the guilt of NATO in training and supporting a terrorist organization. War crimes for some, immunity for others. Hypocrite.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

But as rich a Pacoli could be he would not have the money to buy dozens of countries.
(pss, 2 March 2012 14:01)
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No, not countries, just the grubby little politicians from there.

pss

pre 12 godina

Comm. Parrisson, 2 March 2012 09:57)
You seriously think Pacoli is using his own money to buy recognitions for Kosovo. why would he not just buy his own Carribean island and be done with it. Quite the desperation you have. Now I would agree that some countries have recognized in order to be in good with the US, the same as a country like Venezuela recognized the 2 Georgian provinces to look good for Russia.

But as rich a Pacoli could be he would not have the money to buy dozens of countries.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

"Why would Serbs, Roma and others go to other countries when it is much easier to simply go north where they have relatives?"

Let me get this straight: Serbs, left Kosovo because it was the target of NATO bombs, decided tp escape to Serbia, which was also the target of NATO bombs? They should have done what the Albanians apparelty did, go to Macedonia or Albania to avoid being bombed, not go to another territory that is also being bombed! Seriously your rational has no bounds!!!
(Nikolle, 1 March 2012 22:13)

1) Kosovo was bombed more intensively.
2) Besides the bombing ethnic war was also going on in Kosovo.

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

aaayyy what rubbish. if you're escaping bombs, you don't go to another place that is being bombed!!! amazing the lengths that people go to to believe lies and deny reality. what next, no one was actually murdered in the war, all those dead bodies were actually crash dummies?

Who guards the guardians?

pre 12 godina

"With that background you should know that the correct term is not refugees but displaced persons. "A displaced person (sometimes abbreviated DP) is a person who has been forced to leave his or her native place, a phenomenon known as forced migration."

Wrong.

A "refugee" is someone who's fleeing their country

An IDP is someone who's fleeing their home to another place in their country.
(Danilo, 2 March 2012 07:55)

In 1998 K-Albanians were IDPs (Internally Displaced Persons), but in 1999 certainly not: Forced expulsion (although some commentators try to claim that it was a collective camping trip), that why I stick to the term Displaced Persons (DPs)if you don't mind.

Michael

pre 12 godina

As much as i appreciate the Serbian situation, i think it's a rush and an unfair decision to expel Ghana's Ambassador. After all, one of conditions for Serbia to be accepted into the EU would be for they themselves to accept Kosovo as a sovereign state. Would they expel all other EU countries who have thumb printed Kosovo's sovereignty too?

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"If only Serbia had 1/100th of the financial wealth of Kosovo, it could BUY countries too. According to which argument you want to pitch today it is either a black hole or the richest country on the planet that it can buy others at a whim. "
(pss, 1 March 2012 14:55)

Serbia's moguls (like Karic) prefer to do business instead of spending money for buying recognitions for their state like Pacolli was doing even before he was appointed as Kosovo's official bribe minister.

I guess that he's still using his private money, or is there really a position 'bribe money' mentioned in the Kosovo budget (which is financed by donor money, a big part of it)?

Danilo

pre 12 godina

"With that background you should know that the correct term is not refugees but displaced persons. "A displaced person (sometimes abbreviated DP) is a person who has been forced to leave his or her native place, a phenomenon known as forced migration."


Wrong.

A "refugee" is someone who's fleeing their country

An IDP is someone who's fleeing their home to another place in their country.


Anyway. This is silly. I know a few Serbs who work in Ghana and I know that there are lots. These are the only people who will be hurt by this when it comes time for them to renew their work visas.

Engineer

pre 12 godina

Why did Serbian Police take documents of every person leaving the country ???
(Engineer, 1 March 2012 20:59)

So they couldn't be used to create fake documents that could be used to allow non-citizens to return.
(PJD, 1 March 2012 23:21)

Great next time u leave Serbia they should take your passport so you do not loose it and some non citizens comes to Serbia ... do you think when you write this comments?

to me this is mass explosion without right to go back.

Brian

pre 12 godina

Tadic needs to be expelled for this

Belgrade agreed to allow Kosovo to speak under its flag in regional meetings and to sign international agreements like any other fully recognised nation.

icj1

pre 12 godina

The ICTY presented evidence that most people left AFTER the bombing, sic statistical spinner and extrapolator for the prosecution Dr. Robert Ball. You are confused (as usual) as there were IDP, Internally Displaced Persons, in Kosovo beforehand caused by KLA terrorism (that was when the State Department still had the KLA on their list of official terror organizations). That people left in 1998 show that they were being careful and also knew that the KLA were already targeting disloyal albanians and other minorities too. The ICTY and others also confirm that tens of thousands of Kosovo inhabitants actually fled NORTH once the bombing had started. Here's a clue, Albania is in the south and these people headed in the opposite direction. Inconvenient facts, no?
(No Hans, 1 March 2012 18:02)

OMG... after the Serbian version of 1244 and the Serbian version of ICJ's opinion, now we have a Serbian version of ICTY judgments. As for the English version, it says:

"In general, the Trial Chamber found that there was a broad campaign of violence directed against the Kosovo Albanian civilian population during the course of the NATO air-strikes, conducted by forces under the control of the FRY and Serbian authorities, during which there were incidents of killing, sexual assault, and the intentional destruction of mosques. It was the deliberate actions of these forces during this campaign that caused the departure of at least 700,000 Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo in the short period of time between the end of March and beginning of June 1999. Efforts by the MUP to conceal the killing of Kosovo Albanians, by transporting the bodies to other areas of Serbia, also suggested that such
killings were criminal in nature."

"Furthermore, NATO bombs struck targets across the FRY, with Belgrade suffering the most destruction, according to the former Commander of the VJ Air Force and Air Defence, and yet people did not leave Belgrade, or other parts of the FRY, in the massive numbers which fled Kosovo. The Chamber finds, therefore, that the NATO bombing was not the reason for the mass displacement of Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo."

http://www.icty.org/x/cases/milutinovic/tjug/en/090226summary.pdf

EdI Lakaj

pre 12 godina

Why did Serbian Police take documents of every person leaving the country ???
(Engineer, 1 March 2012 20:59)

So they couldn't be used to create fake documents that could be used to allow non-citizens to return.
(PJD, 1 March 2012 23:21)

PJD,

This tactic seems to have backfired on the Serbs, don't you think, and you wonder why you lost Kosova forever. There were many international observers on the ground in 1999 and they recorded what happened for the whole world to see. This is an undeniable fact and Serbia has failed to hide the truth. The UN then proceeded to issue authentic documents for each and every Kosovar. This must have been a stinging blow to the Serbs. And now the Serbs must face their victims as equals each time they attend an international meeting. A most humiliating experience for Serbia.

Glenn

pre 12 godina

Why did Serbian Police take documents of every person leaving the country ???
(Engineer, 1 March 2012 20:59)

So they couldn't be used to create fake documents that could be used to allow non-citizens to return.
(PJD, 1 March 2012 23:21)

Really? Really?? Really???? It seems like then we would never issue documents to anyone, for fear that they could forge them. Also, by taking their documents, it might make it a little hard for citizens to return, but wasn't that really the point? If Serbia had treated Albanians like citizens, their population would be about 2 million higher, there territory would be about 20% larger

Skifteri

pre 12 godina

serbia expels African diplomats back to Africa because they recognized the UDI.
Now serbia must expel all other diplomats from 22 EU countries and others around the world who have recognized UDI.

No double standards please!

Hopefully more recognitions come from Africa.
Cheers:)

WTH?

pre 12 godina

So they couldn't be used to create fake documents that could be used to allow non-citizens to return.
(PJD, 1 March 2012 23:21)

And how would the expelled citizens return (assuming there were "non-citizens")? Or are you admitting that Serbia has treated all K-Albanians as "non-citizens"???

PJD

pre 12 godina

Why did Serbian Police take documents of every person leaving the country ???
(Engineer, 1 March 2012 20:59)

So they couldn't be used to create fake documents that could be used to allow non-citizens to return.

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

"Serbia has expelled Ghana’s ambassador after the African country recognized Kosovo's unilaterally declared independence, said reports."

Strange reaction to a FAKE recognition haha.

What does Vuk 'Holier than Thou' Jeremic have to say about this? Where are his words of wisdom on this subject?

Dardan

pre 12 godina

Why did Serbian Police take documents of every person leaving the country ???
(Engineer, 1 March 2012 20:59)
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Because serbs didn't want them to come back to their homes
(Ethnic cleansing)

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

"Why would Serbs, Roma and others go to other countries when it is much easier to simply go north where they have relatives?"

Let me get this straight: Serbs, left Kosovo because it was the target of NATO bombs, decided tp escape to Serbia, which was also the target of NATO bombs? They should have done what the Albanians apparelty did, go to Macedonia or Albania to avoid being bombed, not go to another territory that is also being bombed! Seriously your rational has no bounds!!!

Who guards the guardigans?

pre 12 godina

I was working at Amnesty International during the Kosovo crisis. I first visited refugee camps in Albania and Macedonia during the conflict and then spent a year in Pristina seconded into the UN High Commissioner for Refugees.
(Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija, 1 March 2012 20:21)

With that background you should know that the correct term is not refugees but displaced persons. "A displaced person (sometimes abbreviated DP) is a person who has been forced to leave his or her native place, a phenomenon known as forced migration."

P.S.: Have you actually read the article you provided a link to? Perhaps you should: "In fact 300,000 Kosovar Albanians fled in 1998 after Yugoslav forces attacked civilians and began expelling people from their homes. I agree that Milosevic intensified his xenophobic and murderous campaign after Nato intervened, and the major mistake made by Nato governments was to underestimate his capacity for violence. But all the evidence suggests that Milosevic's campaign was a continuation of what he intended to do, and was actually doing, rather than a provocation that forced him into uncharacteristic behaviour."

Ein, Zvei, Hans

pre 12 godina

Why would Serbs, Roma and others go to other countries when it is much easier to simply go north where they have relatives? Keep on changing you 'facts' or ignore inconvenient ones to suit you opinion why don't you? Duh!

Lenard

pre 12 godina

That is Vuk's new strategy put the fear of the Greater Serbia in African nations which one is next to go. If that dose not work shoot your self in the other foot Vuk you mite get some pathetic sympathy for Serbia but I really doubt it.

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

Oh please MikeC, I am very familiar with the history here. I have always believed I could trust my own eyes, but it truns out, those were not Serbain army tanks and those people in Yugoslav army uniforms beating up a man in front of his children at the student canteen in Prishtina were actually just playing. My family it turns out really did not need to evacuate, those people threatening us were actually being funny. Stranegly enough, the Serb civilians jeering was also part of the show!! What do you know, maybe the war never really happened and I along with others just imagined the whole thing!!!

Bill

pre 12 godina

funny, why didn't Belgrade kick out all the other ambassadors from the 88 coutries which regcognized Kosova? He even was in Switherland yesterday, and Switzerland also one one of the first countries which regcognized Kosovo. ..... It just just shows once more how stupid this whole BS about Kosovo is. It is time to get it over with, and just do yourself a big favor. Recognize Kosova, and things can go back to normal, Serbia will have more money for it's own ecconomic recovery, and will get credit for it from the rest of the world for finally starting to come to terms with its past....

Engineer

pre 12 godina

However, your claim that "hundreds of thousands of Kosovar Albanians" were expelled from their homes before the start of NATO air strikes is most definitely incorrect. This happened after the start of the bombing campaign, which is more than a minor detail, given the rest of your argument. Sorry to repeat myself, but the death toll was in the hundreds before Nato intervened."
[link]
(Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija, 1 March 2012 20:21)

Lets say Principa here is correct and only hundreds where Killed man are you living in midle ages or in 2012. Serbain police did Kill and oppress K-Albanin population this is a fact you can twist it how you like but its not 1912 any more where you can change history.

All the worlld knows you committed crimes maybe not to numbers they did report at the start but still at 14,000 not your 5000.

You see I am sure President in Syria is saying the same only few hundred are killed West intervined in Serbia not to let another Bosnia happen the only reason this did not turn in to a Bosnia was that west was fed up of your tactics.

Why did Serbian Police take documents of every person leaving the country ???

Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija

pre 12 godina

KAlbanians so deceived by their own deceit over events in 98 onwards forget to realise that the truth is already in the open.

Lies, damn lies and statistics - NATO and the western media specialised in misinformation over Serbia - again using same deception to invade Iraq with lies over WMD whereas the Lie for illegally attacking Serbia in 1999 was lies of WMG Whereabouts of Mass Graves that never were

Sure we all remember the lies of US officials and NATO's spokesperson alike with their "100,000 missing and killed by Milosevic we must act.."

TRUTH;
"The death toll in Kosovo was in the hundreds before the start of the bombing campaign. It was around 5,000 by the end. Not quite the "genocide" that some people claimed, incidentally, but not a good precedent either.

I was working at Amnesty International during the Kosovo crisis. I first visited refugee camps in Albania and Macedonia during the conflict and then spent a year in Pristina seconded into the UN High Commissioner for Refugees. Tony Blair says that we "reversed ethnic cleansing" there, but I would not count the expulsion of over 100,000 Serbs and Roma from a province guarded by 40,000 Nato troops as a success.......

However, your claim that "hundreds of thousands of Kosovar Albanians" were expelled from their homes before the start of NATO air strikes is most definitely incorrect. This happened after the start of the bombing campaign, which is more than a minor detail, given the rest of your argument. Sorry to repeat myself, but the death toll was in the hundreds before Nato intervened."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/apr/20/oliverkammvconorfoley

Hans

pre 12 godina

If Serbia wanted to rid Kosovo of its albanian population then why didn't they do it before NATO began to drop their bombs? You don't make any sence. Serbs did also leave Kosovo during the bombing. Just after the bombing began my wifes entire family except for two of her brothers left Istok for Svilajnac. Out of perhaps 20-25 people only two decided to stay. You are just using a lot of lies to justify the theft of Kosovo.
(MikeC, 1 March 2012 18:42)

That was not my purpose...

May I repeat WHY DID NOT A SINGLE SERB FROM SERBIA PROPER flee to the neighboring countries ??
Did you see tens of thousands of serbs fleeing to Romania, Macedonia or Bulgaria ??? NO
NO, although at least the same amount of bombs hit Serbia proper...

Quiet disturbing isn't it ?

Perhaps are Serbs 1000 more courageous than Albanians and they stick to their flats LOL

You'll never hear one single albanian claiming he was fleeing because of NATO bombings.

Arber

pre 12 godina

You Serbs have such a short term memory!!
Just few days ago foreign minister Vuk Jeremic
Said Thad Ghana didn't recognize Kosova?
And swore up and down that it was a propaganda
From Albanian side! Just like he did last year with few other
Country's, my question is why don't you Serbs question the ability
Of your foreign minister and his many gaffes?
And till when will you conduct diplomacy based on fiction
And face reality? Can't live on myth and effects of short term
Propaganda.

They Shoot Horses

pre 12 godina

Operation Horseshoe came from the Bulgarian secret service. The invented it on demand for the americans who then polished it up and delivered it to the waiting media. I'm surprised that this bs is still being believed and repeated. Not even the Hague dared to use it as evidence.

No Hans

pre 12 godina

The ICTY presented evidence that most people left AFTER the bombing, sic statistical spinner and extrapolator for the prosecution Dr. Robert Ball. You are confused (as usual) as there were IDP, Internally Displaced Persons, in Kosovo beforehand caused by KLA terrorism (that was when the State Department still had the KLA on their list of official terror organizations). That people left in 1998 show that they were being careful and also knew that the KLA were already targeting disloyal albanians and other minorities too. The ICTY and others also confirm that tens of thousands of Kosovo inhabitants actually fled NORTH once the bombing had started. Here's a clue, Albania is in the south and these people headed in the opposite direction. Inconvenient facts, no?

MikeC

pre 12 godina

Jimbo and Hans


If Serbia wanted to rid Kosovo of its albanian population then why didn't they do it before NATO began to drop their bombs? You don't make any sence. Serbs did also leave Kosovo during the bombing. Just after the bombing began my wifes entire family except for two of her brothers left Istok for Svilajnac. Out of perhaps 20-25 people only two decided to stay. You are just using a lot of lies to justify the theft of Kosovo.

Engineer

pre 12 godina

Before I forget, Jeremic was 2010 in Ghana. For that, thank you, Jeremic:

[link]

Read just the last sentence of that link. Epic..

Cheers!
(Berk., 1 March 2012 16:08)

Good on Berk, It is important due to its high influence in Africa his own words, does this mean Vuk is expecting more recognition's.

You see how funny it is when Vuk goes there asks someone not to recognize its good and free democratic way but if any person goes and asks for recognition they come bearing gifts. I do not understand for a poor country Kosovo sure has a lot of money to send to Africa, US, UK....

This is Vuk go in archives and see:

ICJ ICJ ICJ--- CJ not in favor of so it does not matter.

Gahna NO NO NO --- Recognises Kosovo oh not important they are corrupt.

When he went to Swiss why did he not say same thing or why he did not kick Swiss Ambasador out they are not in EU or Norway why not VUK?????

Jimbo

pre 12 godina

"I guess they could enroll in Belgrade University and take majors and PhD's in ethnic cleansing strategies eh Mike?"

Nikolle

Look who's talking about ethnic clensing? More serbs have been ethnicly clensed then all other people put together. If you are refering to the k-albanians that left their homes during the war it was thanks to NATO bombing. That is a fact! They didn't leave before NATO bombed now did they? How many serbs have returned to Croatia and Kosovo? Looks like albaninas and croats were the a majority of students at Belgrade University of ethnic clensing.
(MikeC, 1 March 2012 16:04)

No they did not leave because of NATO bombing, but the operation called " Horse shoe" was launched by Miloshevic regime to clens Albanians from Kosova.

Hans

pre 12 godina

Look who's talking about ethnic clensing? More serbs have been ethnicly clensed then all other people put together. If you are refering to the k-albanians that left their homes during the war it was thanks to NATO bombing. That is a fact! They didn't leave before NATO bombed now did they? How many serbs have returned to Croatia and Kosovo? Looks like albaninas and croats were the a majority of students at Belgrade University of ethnic clensing.
(MikeC, 1 March 2012 16:04)

One Million Albanians leaving because of NATO Bombings ??? laughable
Not a single serb did flee during the NATO campaign ALTHOUGH a large part of the bombings did hit Serbia proper...
One million on one side....0 on the other...and you dare call this a fact ???

I'll tell you the fact... contrary to Serbia proper...someone in Kosovo was on the GROUND doing the dirty business the same one that acted the same way in Bosnia and Croatia...

Most of my relatives and inhabitants of my town had already left during summer 1998...one year before NATO got in.

Search your "facts" more thoroughly !

Berk.

pre 12 godina

Before I forget, Jeremic was 2010 in Ghana. For that, thank you, Jeremic:

http://www.emg.rs/en/news/serbia/115637.html

Read just the last sentence of that link. Epic..

Cheers!

Avni

pre 12 godina

This is very interesting. First Jeremic lied about Ghana not recognizing Kosovo, and from what I know Jeremic wants to get a job at UN. If you piss off Africans they won't vote for you Jeremicu.

Demetri

pre 12 godina

Quick facts:
Serbia has no need for Ghana politically or monetarilly.
Ghana has more in common with Thaci's Kosovo than Tadic's Serbia.
The majority of nations in the world do not support the illegal Kosovo independence.
The majority of the worlds population based on these governments do not support illegal Kosovo independance.

No matter how long it takes Kosovo will always be Serbian, times and empires change and Serbia has deep relations with Russia and China, the next leading world economies and nations.

Vreme dolazi.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"I guess they could enroll in Belgrade University and take majors and PhD's in ethnic cleansing strategies eh Mike?"

Nikolle

Look who's talking about ethnic clensing? More serbs have been ethnicly clensed then all other people put together. If you are refering to the k-albanians that left their homes during the war it was thanks to NATO bombing. That is a fact! They didn't leave before NATO bombed now did they? How many serbs have returned to Croatia and Kosovo? Looks like albaninas and croats were the a majority of students at Belgrade University of ethnic clensing.

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

So I guess countries like Spain, Greece, Cyprus , Romania, Slovakia have good and strong principles eh winston? They are not so easy to buy and do not bend to pressure. What flawed logic you have.

Kenny

pre 12 godina

Winston, that might be true. But do you really think that any country who chose to NOT recognize Kosovo as independent did it because they love Serbia so much (with exceptions on both sides). This is politics we are talking about.
Its pretty clear that countries who dont recognize Kosovo, do this because they are pressured by others (like China and Russia do when they threaten to cut their economic support for smaller countries). They dont do it because they wanna support Serbia. Just like there are countries who are pressured to recognize Kosovo. Some countries face their own problems and the Balkans arent even on their agenda right now.
You claim that the USA dont really give a damn about Albanians if it wasnt for their own profit. That might be true. But dont you ever think that the Russians or Chinese really care about you. Not even Moscow, no matter how many times they say that they love their little slavic-orthodox brothers. They didnt in the early 90's, they didnt in '99 and they dont do right now. We, and by we I mean every single country/nation/ethnicity/etc. on this earth are the playball of the big boys. Just remember that.

Berk.

pre 12 godina

Serbs always try to convince everybody so hard that recognitions of countries like Ghana are not important. Now, we see how they freak out when a country recognize reality.

What is most embarrassing is the fact that 88 countries recognized Kosovo, but Serbia dared to compromise only a few relations to other countries. Why you don't throw out the US ambassador, my Turbo-Mega-Patriotic Serbs? Or Japan, which flooded Serbia with donations of almost half a billion Euro?

Serbia suffered another thunderous defeat and more will come.

Thank you again, Ghana!

winston

pre 12 godina

Yes they were, Nikkole, by the USA. They strong armed all of the countries to do so, except Albania - but they have no idea what they are doing anyway. The countries that recognized an independent Kosovo did not do so for the love of Albanians, but because the US demanded it. Why would Japan give a rat's behind about Kosovo?

Glenn

pre 12 godina

This would make more sense on Serbia's part if it had worked even once. Do what you want and say what you want, but countries that have already recognized Kosovo are not going to withdraw recognition, if for no other reason that it makes them look bad. If Serbia makes them mad enough, though, they may withdraw recognition of Serbia, or at least break off diplomatic relations (closing their embassy is a huge step in that direction).

Bilbao

pre 12 godina

At least now people from Ghana can attend universities in Pristina. Where they can get a B.A in how to smuggle and prepare drugs for the European market. A P.H.D in human trafficing is also high on the list for many ghanian students at the world famous University of Pristine.
(MikeC, 1 March 2012 14:10)

How is this not offensive to all people, Serbs should be last people to generically all nation just because some people do something like that, A lot of Serbs tragic people and sell Drugs in Europe this is a well known fact.

Mike they where on Serbs side? Serbia did not even dear to do same to any EU county but now you try to offend is it like this you accept a loos. For a country that have such great athleats should be more humble in loss just brush it off ant work hard to stop some other nation.

this is so sad there is no more debat in this forum it seems just who puts other side more down.

pss

pre 12 godina

Ghana can just hire a van, and move its embassy furniture down to Pristina - no big deal. For a few pieces of silver, Ghana ends its long friendly relationship with Serbia. As they say, money talks.
(winston,)
If only Serbia had 1/100th of the financial wealth of Kosovo, it could BUY countries too. According to which argument you want to pitch today it is either a black hole or the richest country on the planet that it can buy others at a whim.

The one thing that is sure now is that Jeremic just lost another vote for his UNGA presidency bid!

MikeC

pre 12 godina

At least now people from Ghana can attend universities in Pristina. Where they can get a B.A in how to smuggle and prepare drugs for the European market. A P.H.D in human trafficing is also high on the list for many ghanian students at the world famous University of Pristine.

winston

pre 12 godina

Ghana can just hire a van, and move its embassy furniture down to Pristina - no big deal. For a few pieces of silver, Ghana ends its long friendly relationship with Serbia. As they say, money talks.

ben

pre 12 godina

why don't you try to presurise Japan, US, Germany, France to close their diplomatic seats. last time you withdrow your ambassadors to make a famous U turn and prettend that nothing happened.

ben

pre 12 godina

why don't you try to presurise Japan, US, Germany, France to close their diplomatic seats. last time you withdrow your ambassadors to make a famous U turn and prettend that nothing happened.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

At least now people from Ghana can attend universities in Pristina. Where they can get a B.A in how to smuggle and prepare drugs for the European market. A P.H.D in human trafficing is also high on the list for many ghanian students at the world famous University of Pristine.

winston

pre 12 godina

Ghana can just hire a van, and move its embassy furniture down to Pristina - no big deal. For a few pieces of silver, Ghana ends its long friendly relationship with Serbia. As they say, money talks.

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

So I guess countries like Spain, Greece, Cyprus , Romania, Slovakia have good and strong principles eh winston? They are not so easy to buy and do not bend to pressure. What flawed logic you have.

Berk.

pre 12 godina

Serbs always try to convince everybody so hard that recognitions of countries like Ghana are not important. Now, we see how they freak out when a country recognize reality.

What is most embarrassing is the fact that 88 countries recognized Kosovo, but Serbia dared to compromise only a few relations to other countries. Why you don't throw out the US ambassador, my Turbo-Mega-Patriotic Serbs? Or Japan, which flooded Serbia with donations of almost half a billion Euro?

Serbia suffered another thunderous defeat and more will come.

Thank you again, Ghana!

Bilbao

pre 12 godina

At least now people from Ghana can attend universities in Pristina. Where they can get a B.A in how to smuggle and prepare drugs for the European market. A P.H.D in human trafficing is also high on the list for many ghanian students at the world famous University of Pristine.
(MikeC, 1 March 2012 14:10)

How is this not offensive to all people, Serbs should be last people to generically all nation just because some people do something like that, A lot of Serbs tragic people and sell Drugs in Europe this is a well known fact.

Mike they where on Serbs side? Serbia did not even dear to do same to any EU county but now you try to offend is it like this you accept a loos. For a country that have such great athleats should be more humble in loss just brush it off ant work hard to stop some other nation.

this is so sad there is no more debat in this forum it seems just who puts other side more down.

pss

pre 12 godina

Ghana can just hire a van, and move its embassy furniture down to Pristina - no big deal. For a few pieces of silver, Ghana ends its long friendly relationship with Serbia. As they say, money talks.
(winston,)
If only Serbia had 1/100th of the financial wealth of Kosovo, it could BUY countries too. According to which argument you want to pitch today it is either a black hole or the richest country on the planet that it can buy others at a whim.

The one thing that is sure now is that Jeremic just lost another vote for his UNGA presidency bid!

Avni

pre 12 godina

This is very interesting. First Jeremic lied about Ghana not recognizing Kosovo, and from what I know Jeremic wants to get a job at UN. If you piss off Africans they won't vote for you Jeremicu.

Arber

pre 12 godina

You Serbs have such a short term memory!!
Just few days ago foreign minister Vuk Jeremic
Said Thad Ghana didn't recognize Kosova?
And swore up and down that it was a propaganda
From Albanian side! Just like he did last year with few other
Country's, my question is why don't you Serbs question the ability
Of your foreign minister and his many gaffes?
And till when will you conduct diplomacy based on fiction
And face reality? Can't live on myth and effects of short term
Propaganda.

Berk.

pre 12 godina

Before I forget, Jeremic was 2010 in Ghana. For that, thank you, Jeremic:

http://www.emg.rs/en/news/serbia/115637.html

Read just the last sentence of that link. Epic..

Cheers!

Hans

pre 12 godina

Look who's talking about ethnic clensing? More serbs have been ethnicly clensed then all other people put together. If you are refering to the k-albanians that left their homes during the war it was thanks to NATO bombing. That is a fact! They didn't leave before NATO bombed now did they? How many serbs have returned to Croatia and Kosovo? Looks like albaninas and croats were the a majority of students at Belgrade University of ethnic clensing.
(MikeC, 1 March 2012 16:04)

One Million Albanians leaving because of NATO Bombings ??? laughable
Not a single serb did flee during the NATO campaign ALTHOUGH a large part of the bombings did hit Serbia proper...
One million on one side....0 on the other...and you dare call this a fact ???

I'll tell you the fact... contrary to Serbia proper...someone in Kosovo was on the GROUND doing the dirty business the same one that acted the same way in Bosnia and Croatia...

Most of my relatives and inhabitants of my town had already left during summer 1998...one year before NATO got in.

Search your "facts" more thoroughly !

Kenny

pre 12 godina

Winston, that might be true. But do you really think that any country who chose to NOT recognize Kosovo as independent did it because they love Serbia so much (with exceptions on both sides). This is politics we are talking about.
Its pretty clear that countries who dont recognize Kosovo, do this because they are pressured by others (like China and Russia do when they threaten to cut their economic support for smaller countries). They dont do it because they wanna support Serbia. Just like there are countries who are pressured to recognize Kosovo. Some countries face their own problems and the Balkans arent even on their agenda right now.
You claim that the USA dont really give a damn about Albanians if it wasnt for their own profit. That might be true. But dont you ever think that the Russians or Chinese really care about you. Not even Moscow, no matter how many times they say that they love their little slavic-orthodox brothers. They didnt in the early 90's, they didnt in '99 and they dont do right now. We, and by we I mean every single country/nation/ethnicity/etc. on this earth are the playball of the big boys. Just remember that.

Engineer

pre 12 godina

Before I forget, Jeremic was 2010 in Ghana. For that, thank you, Jeremic:

[link]

Read just the last sentence of that link. Epic..

Cheers!
(Berk., 1 March 2012 16:08)

Good on Berk, It is important due to its high influence in Africa his own words, does this mean Vuk is expecting more recognition's.

You see how funny it is when Vuk goes there asks someone not to recognize its good and free democratic way but if any person goes and asks for recognition they come bearing gifts. I do not understand for a poor country Kosovo sure has a lot of money to send to Africa, US, UK....

This is Vuk go in archives and see:

ICJ ICJ ICJ--- CJ not in favor of so it does not matter.

Gahna NO NO NO --- Recognises Kosovo oh not important they are corrupt.

When he went to Swiss why did he not say same thing or why he did not kick Swiss Ambasador out they are not in EU or Norway why not VUK?????

Glenn

pre 12 godina

This would make more sense on Serbia's part if it had worked even once. Do what you want and say what you want, but countries that have already recognized Kosovo are not going to withdraw recognition, if for no other reason that it makes them look bad. If Serbia makes them mad enough, though, they may withdraw recognition of Serbia, or at least break off diplomatic relations (closing their embassy is a huge step in that direction).

Jimbo

pre 12 godina

"I guess they could enroll in Belgrade University and take majors and PhD's in ethnic cleansing strategies eh Mike?"

Nikolle

Look who's talking about ethnic clensing? More serbs have been ethnicly clensed then all other people put together. If you are refering to the k-albanians that left their homes during the war it was thanks to NATO bombing. That is a fact! They didn't leave before NATO bombed now did they? How many serbs have returned to Croatia and Kosovo? Looks like albaninas and croats were the a majority of students at Belgrade University of ethnic clensing.
(MikeC, 1 March 2012 16:04)

No they did not leave because of NATO bombing, but the operation called " Horse shoe" was launched by Miloshevic regime to clens Albanians from Kosova.

Demetri

pre 12 godina

Quick facts:
Serbia has no need for Ghana politically or monetarilly.
Ghana has more in common with Thaci's Kosovo than Tadic's Serbia.
The majority of nations in the world do not support the illegal Kosovo independence.
The majority of the worlds population based on these governments do not support illegal Kosovo independance.

No matter how long it takes Kosovo will always be Serbian, times and empires change and Serbia has deep relations with Russia and China, the next leading world economies and nations.

Vreme dolazi.

Hans

pre 12 godina

If Serbia wanted to rid Kosovo of its albanian population then why didn't they do it before NATO began to drop their bombs? You don't make any sence. Serbs did also leave Kosovo during the bombing. Just after the bombing began my wifes entire family except for two of her brothers left Istok for Svilajnac. Out of perhaps 20-25 people only two decided to stay. You are just using a lot of lies to justify the theft of Kosovo.
(MikeC, 1 March 2012 18:42)

That was not my purpose...

May I repeat WHY DID NOT A SINGLE SERB FROM SERBIA PROPER flee to the neighboring countries ??
Did you see tens of thousands of serbs fleeing to Romania, Macedonia or Bulgaria ??? NO
NO, although at least the same amount of bombs hit Serbia proper...

Quiet disturbing isn't it ?

Perhaps are Serbs 1000 more courageous than Albanians and they stick to their flats LOL

You'll never hear one single albanian claiming he was fleeing because of NATO bombings.

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

"Why would Serbs, Roma and others go to other countries when it is much easier to simply go north where they have relatives?"

Let me get this straight: Serbs, left Kosovo because it was the target of NATO bombs, decided tp escape to Serbia, which was also the target of NATO bombs? They should have done what the Albanians apparelty did, go to Macedonia or Albania to avoid being bombed, not go to another territory that is also being bombed! Seriously your rational has no bounds!!!

Dardan

pre 12 godina

Why did Serbian Police take documents of every person leaving the country ???
(Engineer, 1 March 2012 20:59)
____________

Because serbs didn't want them to come back to their homes
(Ethnic cleansing)

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

"Serbia has expelled Ghana’s ambassador after the African country recognized Kosovo's unilaterally declared independence, said reports."

Strange reaction to a FAKE recognition haha.

What does Vuk 'Holier than Thou' Jeremic have to say about this? Where are his words of wisdom on this subject?

Who guards the guardigans?

pre 12 godina

I was working at Amnesty International during the Kosovo crisis. I first visited refugee camps in Albania and Macedonia during the conflict and then spent a year in Pristina seconded into the UN High Commissioner for Refugees.
(Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija, 1 March 2012 20:21)

With that background you should know that the correct term is not refugees but displaced persons. "A displaced person (sometimes abbreviated DP) is a person who has been forced to leave his or her native place, a phenomenon known as forced migration."

P.S.: Have you actually read the article you provided a link to? Perhaps you should: "In fact 300,000 Kosovar Albanians fled in 1998 after Yugoslav forces attacked civilians and began expelling people from their homes. I agree that Milosevic intensified his xenophobic and murderous campaign after Nato intervened, and the major mistake made by Nato governments was to underestimate his capacity for violence. But all the evidence suggests that Milosevic's campaign was a continuation of what he intended to do, and was actually doing, rather than a provocation that forced him into uncharacteristic behaviour."

Skifteri

pre 12 godina

serbia expels African diplomats back to Africa because they recognized the UDI.
Now serbia must expel all other diplomats from 22 EU countries and others around the world who have recognized UDI.

No double standards please!

Hopefully more recognitions come from Africa.
Cheers:)

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

Oh please MikeC, I am very familiar with the history here. I have always believed I could trust my own eyes, but it truns out, those were not Serbain army tanks and those people in Yugoslav army uniforms beating up a man in front of his children at the student canteen in Prishtina were actually just playing. My family it turns out really did not need to evacuate, those people threatening us were actually being funny. Stranegly enough, the Serb civilians jeering was also part of the show!! What do you know, maybe the war never really happened and I along with others just imagined the whole thing!!!

winston

pre 12 godina

Yes they were, Nikkole, by the USA. They strong armed all of the countries to do so, except Albania - but they have no idea what they are doing anyway. The countries that recognized an independent Kosovo did not do so for the love of Albanians, but because the US demanded it. Why would Japan give a rat's behind about Kosovo?

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"I guess they could enroll in Belgrade University and take majors and PhD's in ethnic cleansing strategies eh Mike?"

Nikolle

Look who's talking about ethnic clensing? More serbs have been ethnicly clensed then all other people put together. If you are refering to the k-albanians that left their homes during the war it was thanks to NATO bombing. That is a fact! They didn't leave before NATO bombed now did they? How many serbs have returned to Croatia and Kosovo? Looks like albaninas and croats were the a majority of students at Belgrade University of ethnic clensing.

Engineer

pre 12 godina

However, your claim that "hundreds of thousands of Kosovar Albanians" were expelled from their homes before the start of NATO air strikes is most definitely incorrect. This happened after the start of the bombing campaign, which is more than a minor detail, given the rest of your argument. Sorry to repeat myself, but the death toll was in the hundreds before Nato intervened."
[link]
(Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija, 1 March 2012 20:21)

Lets say Principa here is correct and only hundreds where Killed man are you living in midle ages or in 2012. Serbain police did Kill and oppress K-Albanin population this is a fact you can twist it how you like but its not 1912 any more where you can change history.

All the worlld knows you committed crimes maybe not to numbers they did report at the start but still at 14,000 not your 5000.

You see I am sure President in Syria is saying the same only few hundred are killed West intervined in Serbia not to let another Bosnia happen the only reason this did not turn in to a Bosnia was that west was fed up of your tactics.

Why did Serbian Police take documents of every person leaving the country ???

Bill

pre 12 godina

funny, why didn't Belgrade kick out all the other ambassadors from the 88 coutries which regcognized Kosova? He even was in Switherland yesterday, and Switzerland also one one of the first countries which regcognized Kosovo. ..... It just just shows once more how stupid this whole BS about Kosovo is. It is time to get it over with, and just do yourself a big favor. Recognize Kosova, and things can go back to normal, Serbia will have more money for it's own ecconomic recovery, and will get credit for it from the rest of the world for finally starting to come to terms with its past....

They Shoot Horses

pre 12 godina

Operation Horseshoe came from the Bulgarian secret service. The invented it on demand for the americans who then polished it up and delivered it to the waiting media. I'm surprised that this bs is still being believed and repeated. Not even the Hague dared to use it as evidence.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

That is Vuk's new strategy put the fear of the Greater Serbia in African nations which one is next to go. If that dose not work shoot your self in the other foot Vuk you mite get some pathetic sympathy for Serbia but I really doubt it.

No Hans

pre 12 godina

The ICTY presented evidence that most people left AFTER the bombing, sic statistical spinner and extrapolator for the prosecution Dr. Robert Ball. You are confused (as usual) as there were IDP, Internally Displaced Persons, in Kosovo beforehand caused by KLA terrorism (that was when the State Department still had the KLA on their list of official terror organizations). That people left in 1998 show that they were being careful and also knew that the KLA were already targeting disloyal albanians and other minorities too. The ICTY and others also confirm that tens of thousands of Kosovo inhabitants actually fled NORTH once the bombing had started. Here's a clue, Albania is in the south and these people headed in the opposite direction. Inconvenient facts, no?

Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija

pre 12 godina

KAlbanians so deceived by their own deceit over events in 98 onwards forget to realise that the truth is already in the open.

Lies, damn lies and statistics - NATO and the western media specialised in misinformation over Serbia - again using same deception to invade Iraq with lies over WMD whereas the Lie for illegally attacking Serbia in 1999 was lies of WMG Whereabouts of Mass Graves that never were

Sure we all remember the lies of US officials and NATO's spokesperson alike with their "100,000 missing and killed by Milosevic we must act.."

TRUTH;
"The death toll in Kosovo was in the hundreds before the start of the bombing campaign. It was around 5,000 by the end. Not quite the "genocide" that some people claimed, incidentally, but not a good precedent either.

I was working at Amnesty International during the Kosovo crisis. I first visited refugee camps in Albania and Macedonia during the conflict and then spent a year in Pristina seconded into the UN High Commissioner for Refugees. Tony Blair says that we "reversed ethnic cleansing" there, but I would not count the expulsion of over 100,000 Serbs and Roma from a province guarded by 40,000 Nato troops as a success.......

However, your claim that "hundreds of thousands of Kosovar Albanians" were expelled from their homes before the start of NATO air strikes is most definitely incorrect. This happened after the start of the bombing campaign, which is more than a minor detail, given the rest of your argument. Sorry to repeat myself, but the death toll was in the hundreds before Nato intervened."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/apr/20/oliverkammvconorfoley

MikeC

pre 12 godina

Jimbo and Hans


If Serbia wanted to rid Kosovo of its albanian population then why didn't they do it before NATO began to drop their bombs? You don't make any sence. Serbs did also leave Kosovo during the bombing. Just after the bombing began my wifes entire family except for two of her brothers left Istok for Svilajnac. Out of perhaps 20-25 people only two decided to stay. You are just using a lot of lies to justify the theft of Kosovo.

icj1

pre 12 godina

The ICTY presented evidence that most people left AFTER the bombing, sic statistical spinner and extrapolator for the prosecution Dr. Robert Ball. You are confused (as usual) as there were IDP, Internally Displaced Persons, in Kosovo beforehand caused by KLA terrorism (that was when the State Department still had the KLA on their list of official terror organizations). That people left in 1998 show that they were being careful and also knew that the KLA were already targeting disloyal albanians and other minorities too. The ICTY and others also confirm that tens of thousands of Kosovo inhabitants actually fled NORTH once the bombing had started. Here's a clue, Albania is in the south and these people headed in the opposite direction. Inconvenient facts, no?
(No Hans, 1 March 2012 18:02)

OMG... after the Serbian version of 1244 and the Serbian version of ICJ's opinion, now we have a Serbian version of ICTY judgments. As for the English version, it says:

"In general, the Trial Chamber found that there was a broad campaign of violence directed against the Kosovo Albanian civilian population during the course of the NATO air-strikes, conducted by forces under the control of the FRY and Serbian authorities, during which there were incidents of killing, sexual assault, and the intentional destruction of mosques. It was the deliberate actions of these forces during this campaign that caused the departure of at least 700,000 Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo in the short period of time between the end of March and beginning of June 1999. Efforts by the MUP to conceal the killing of Kosovo Albanians, by transporting the bodies to other areas of Serbia, also suggested that such
killings were criminal in nature."

"Furthermore, NATO bombs struck targets across the FRY, with Belgrade suffering the most destruction, according to the former Commander of the VJ Air Force and Air Defence, and yet people did not leave Belgrade, or other parts of the FRY, in the massive numbers which fled Kosovo. The Chamber finds, therefore, that the NATO bombing was not the reason for the mass displacement of Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo."

http://www.icty.org/x/cases/milutinovic/tjug/en/090226summary.pdf

WTH?

pre 12 godina

So they couldn't be used to create fake documents that could be used to allow non-citizens to return.
(PJD, 1 March 2012 23:21)

And how would the expelled citizens return (assuming there were "non-citizens")? Or are you admitting that Serbia has treated all K-Albanians as "non-citizens"???

EdI Lakaj

pre 12 godina

Why did Serbian Police take documents of every person leaving the country ???
(Engineer, 1 March 2012 20:59)

So they couldn't be used to create fake documents that could be used to allow non-citizens to return.
(PJD, 1 March 2012 23:21)

PJD,

This tactic seems to have backfired on the Serbs, don't you think, and you wonder why you lost Kosova forever. There were many international observers on the ground in 1999 and they recorded what happened for the whole world to see. This is an undeniable fact and Serbia has failed to hide the truth. The UN then proceeded to issue authentic documents for each and every Kosovar. This must have been a stinging blow to the Serbs. And now the Serbs must face their victims as equals each time they attend an international meeting. A most humiliating experience for Serbia.

Engineer

pre 12 godina

Why did Serbian Police take documents of every person leaving the country ???
(Engineer, 1 March 2012 20:59)

So they couldn't be used to create fake documents that could be used to allow non-citizens to return.
(PJD, 1 March 2012 23:21)

Great next time u leave Serbia they should take your passport so you do not loose it and some non citizens comes to Serbia ... do you think when you write this comments?

to me this is mass explosion without right to go back.

Who guards the guardians?

pre 12 godina

"With that background you should know that the correct term is not refugees but displaced persons. "A displaced person (sometimes abbreviated DP) is a person who has been forced to leave his or her native place, a phenomenon known as forced migration."

Wrong.

A "refugee" is someone who's fleeing their country

An IDP is someone who's fleeing their home to another place in their country.
(Danilo, 2 March 2012 07:55)

In 1998 K-Albanians were IDPs (Internally Displaced Persons), but in 1999 certainly not: Forced expulsion (although some commentators try to claim that it was a collective camping trip), that why I stick to the term Displaced Persons (DPs)if you don't mind.

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

aaayyy what rubbish. if you're escaping bombs, you don't go to another place that is being bombed!!! amazing the lengths that people go to to believe lies and deny reality. what next, no one was actually murdered in the war, all those dead bodies were actually crash dummies?

Brian

pre 12 godina

Tadic needs to be expelled for this

Belgrade agreed to allow Kosovo to speak under its flag in regional meetings and to sign international agreements like any other fully recognised nation.

Michael

pre 12 godina

As much as i appreciate the Serbian situation, i think it's a rush and an unfair decision to expel Ghana's Ambassador. After all, one of conditions for Serbia to be accepted into the EU would be for they themselves to accept Kosovo as a sovereign state. Would they expel all other EU countries who have thumb printed Kosovo's sovereignty too?

Glenn

pre 12 godina

Why did Serbian Police take documents of every person leaving the country ???
(Engineer, 1 March 2012 20:59)

So they couldn't be used to create fake documents that could be used to allow non-citizens to return.
(PJD, 1 March 2012 23:21)

Really? Really?? Really???? It seems like then we would never issue documents to anyone, for fear that they could forge them. Also, by taking their documents, it might make it a little hard for citizens to return, but wasn't that really the point? If Serbia had treated Albanians like citizens, their population would be about 2 million higher, there territory would be about 20% larger

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"If only Serbia had 1/100th of the financial wealth of Kosovo, it could BUY countries too. According to which argument you want to pitch today it is either a black hole or the richest country on the planet that it can buy others at a whim. "
(pss, 1 March 2012 14:55)

Serbia's moguls (like Karic) prefer to do business instead of spending money for buying recognitions for their state like Pacolli was doing even before he was appointed as Kosovo's official bribe minister.

I guess that he's still using his private money, or is there really a position 'bribe money' mentioned in the Kosovo budget (which is financed by donor money, a big part of it)?

pss

pre 12 godina

Comm. Parrisson, 2 March 2012 09:57)
You seriously think Pacoli is using his own money to buy recognitions for Kosovo. why would he not just buy his own Carribean island and be done with it. Quite the desperation you have. Now I would agree that some countries have recognized in order to be in good with the US, the same as a country like Venezuela recognized the 2 Georgian provinces to look good for Russia.

But as rich a Pacoli could be he would not have the money to buy dozens of countries.

Ein, Zvei, Hans

pre 12 godina

Why would Serbs, Roma and others go to other countries when it is much easier to simply go north where they have relatives? Keep on changing you 'facts' or ignore inconvenient ones to suit you opinion why don't you? Duh!

PJD

pre 12 godina

Why did Serbian Police take documents of every person leaving the country ???
(Engineer, 1 March 2012 20:59)

So they couldn't be used to create fake documents that could be used to allow non-citizens to return.

Danilo

pre 12 godina

"With that background you should know that the correct term is not refugees but displaced persons. "A displaced person (sometimes abbreviated DP) is a person who has been forced to leave his or her native place, a phenomenon known as forced migration."


Wrong.

A "refugee" is someone who's fleeing their country

An IDP is someone who's fleeing their home to another place in their country.


Anyway. This is silly. I know a few Serbs who work in Ghana and I know that there are lots. These are the only people who will be hurt by this when it comes time for them to renew their work visas.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

But as rich a Pacoli could be he would not have the money to buy dozens of countries.
(pss, 2 March 2012 14:01)
======================

No, not countries, just the grubby little politicians from there.

A follows B follows C ad nauseam

pre 12 godina

LOL! NATO invents operation Horse Shoe as an excuse to intervene in Kosovo to stop ethinc cleansing and by their own intervention make it happen. Bright guys. Well paid too.

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

"Why would Serbs, Roma and others go to other countries when it is much easier to simply go north where they have relatives?"

Let me get this straight: Serbs, left Kosovo because it was the target of NATO bombs, decided tp escape to Serbia, which was also the target of NATO bombs? They should have done what the Albanians apparelty did, go to Macedonia or Albania to avoid being bombed, not go to another territory that is also being bombed! Seriously your rational has no bounds!!!
(Nikolle, 1 March 2012 22:13)

1) Kosovo was bombed more intensively.
2) Besides the bombing ethnic war was also going on in Kosovo.

icj1

pre 12 godina

1) Kosovo was bombed more intensively.
2) Besides the bombing ethnic war was also going on in Kosovo.
(aaayyy, 2 March 2012 12:09)

You are wrong, dear... according to the former Commander of the VJ Air Force and Air Defence Belgrade suffered the most destruction, and yet people did not leave Belgrade, or other parts of the FRY, in the massive numbers which fled Kosovo. Therefore, the NATO bombing was not the
reason for the mass displacement of Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo.

http://www.icty.org/x/cases/milutinovic/tjug/en/090226summary.pdf
Page 3

Simple logic...

Bwah Ha Ha!

pre 12 godina

Poor old ICJ1! Even the passage he quoted said that the mass movement of albanians happend AFTER NATO started bombing. Not before. As Jamie Shea, NATO spokesman of the time said, the ICTY is NATO's court and Louise Arbour refused to investigate NATO's actions. Transcripts from the ICTY quote KLA commanders telling albanians to flee. As if the ICTY was going to indict dear NATO for preciptating the war and acting as the KLA's airforce. But no, in ICJ1's little mind where the ICTY is bought and paid for by the usual suspects, he pokes his podgy little fingers at the text and squeals at the same time but cannot entertain the guilt of NATO in training and supporting a terrorist organization. War crimes for some, immunity for others. Hypocrite.

vajsberg

pre 12 godina

On topic:
One of the Commonwealth members. Actually, the first African country to join Commonwealth (South Africa was the founder). Great move, Mr. Jeremic. Besides, I have never heard for the country sending the ambassador of another country to consult with his own foreign office. Sounds like pretty surreal "diplomacy" to me.
About off topic discussion in these comments:
It's equally senseless to argue with prejudices formed by nationalist propaganda of (post-)Milosevic Serbian media and with prejudices formed by talking points implemented in Western media by Ruder-Finn* as well.
* During the 90ies, Ruder-Finn was the PR agency of "Republic of Kosovo".

MikeC

pre 12 godina

At least now people from Ghana can attend universities in Pristina. Where they can get a B.A in how to smuggle and prepare drugs for the European market. A P.H.D in human trafficing is also high on the list for many ghanian students at the world famous University of Pristine.

winston

pre 12 godina

Ghana can just hire a van, and move its embassy furniture down to Pristina - no big deal. For a few pieces of silver, Ghana ends its long friendly relationship with Serbia. As they say, money talks.

Demetri

pre 12 godina

Quick facts:
Serbia has no need for Ghana politically or monetarilly.
Ghana has more in common with Thaci's Kosovo than Tadic's Serbia.
The majority of nations in the world do not support the illegal Kosovo independence.
The majority of the worlds population based on these governments do not support illegal Kosovo independance.

No matter how long it takes Kosovo will always be Serbian, times and empires change and Serbia has deep relations with Russia and China, the next leading world economies and nations.

Vreme dolazi.

winston

pre 12 godina

Yes they were, Nikkole, by the USA. They strong armed all of the countries to do so, except Albania - but they have no idea what they are doing anyway. The countries that recognized an independent Kosovo did not do so for the love of Albanians, but because the US demanded it. Why would Japan give a rat's behind about Kosovo?

ben

pre 12 godina

why don't you try to presurise Japan, US, Germany, France to close their diplomatic seats. last time you withdrow your ambassadors to make a famous U turn and prettend that nothing happened.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

"I guess they could enroll in Belgrade University and take majors and PhD's in ethnic cleansing strategies eh Mike?"

Nikolle

Look who's talking about ethnic clensing? More serbs have been ethnicly clensed then all other people put together. If you are refering to the k-albanians that left their homes during the war it was thanks to NATO bombing. That is a fact! They didn't leave before NATO bombed now did they? How many serbs have returned to Croatia and Kosovo? Looks like albaninas and croats were the a majority of students at Belgrade University of ethnic clensing.

No Hans

pre 12 godina

The ICTY presented evidence that most people left AFTER the bombing, sic statistical spinner and extrapolator for the prosecution Dr. Robert Ball. You are confused (as usual) as there were IDP, Internally Displaced Persons, in Kosovo beforehand caused by KLA terrorism (that was when the State Department still had the KLA on their list of official terror organizations). That people left in 1998 show that they were being careful and also knew that the KLA were already targeting disloyal albanians and other minorities too. The ICTY and others also confirm that tens of thousands of Kosovo inhabitants actually fled NORTH once the bombing had started. Here's a clue, Albania is in the south and these people headed in the opposite direction. Inconvenient facts, no?

Berk.

pre 12 godina

Serbs always try to convince everybody so hard that recognitions of countries like Ghana are not important. Now, we see how they freak out when a country recognize reality.

What is most embarrassing is the fact that 88 countries recognized Kosovo, but Serbia dared to compromise only a few relations to other countries. Why you don't throw out the US ambassador, my Turbo-Mega-Patriotic Serbs? Or Japan, which flooded Serbia with donations of almost half a billion Euro?

Serbia suffered another thunderous defeat and more will come.

Thank you again, Ghana!

pss

pre 12 godina

Ghana can just hire a van, and move its embassy furniture down to Pristina - no big deal. For a few pieces of silver, Ghana ends its long friendly relationship with Serbia. As they say, money talks.
(winston,)
If only Serbia had 1/100th of the financial wealth of Kosovo, it could BUY countries too. According to which argument you want to pitch today it is either a black hole or the richest country on the planet that it can buy others at a whim.

The one thing that is sure now is that Jeremic just lost another vote for his UNGA presidency bid!

Avni

pre 12 godina

This is very interesting. First Jeremic lied about Ghana not recognizing Kosovo, and from what I know Jeremic wants to get a job at UN. If you piss off Africans they won't vote for you Jeremicu.

Bilbao

pre 12 godina

At least now people from Ghana can attend universities in Pristina. Where they can get a B.A in how to smuggle and prepare drugs for the European market. A P.H.D in human trafficing is also high on the list for many ghanian students at the world famous University of Pristine.
(MikeC, 1 March 2012 14:10)

How is this not offensive to all people, Serbs should be last people to generically all nation just because some people do something like that, A lot of Serbs tragic people and sell Drugs in Europe this is a well known fact.

Mike they where on Serbs side? Serbia did not even dear to do same to any EU county but now you try to offend is it like this you accept a loos. For a country that have such great athleats should be more humble in loss just brush it off ant work hard to stop some other nation.

this is so sad there is no more debat in this forum it seems just who puts other side more down.

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

So I guess countries like Spain, Greece, Cyprus , Romania, Slovakia have good and strong principles eh winston? They are not so easy to buy and do not bend to pressure. What flawed logic you have.

Jimbo

pre 12 godina

"I guess they could enroll in Belgrade University and take majors and PhD's in ethnic cleansing strategies eh Mike?"

Nikolle

Look who's talking about ethnic clensing? More serbs have been ethnicly clensed then all other people put together. If you are refering to the k-albanians that left their homes during the war it was thanks to NATO bombing. That is a fact! They didn't leave before NATO bombed now did they? How many serbs have returned to Croatia and Kosovo? Looks like albaninas and croats were the a majority of students at Belgrade University of ethnic clensing.
(MikeC, 1 March 2012 16:04)

No they did not leave because of NATO bombing, but the operation called " Horse shoe" was launched by Miloshevic regime to clens Albanians from Kosova.

They Shoot Horses

pre 12 godina

Operation Horseshoe came from the Bulgarian secret service. The invented it on demand for the americans who then polished it up and delivered it to the waiting media. I'm surprised that this bs is still being believed and repeated. Not even the Hague dared to use it as evidence.

MikeC

pre 12 godina

Jimbo and Hans


If Serbia wanted to rid Kosovo of its albanian population then why didn't they do it before NATO began to drop their bombs? You don't make any sence. Serbs did also leave Kosovo during the bombing. Just after the bombing began my wifes entire family except for two of her brothers left Istok for Svilajnac. Out of perhaps 20-25 people only two decided to stay. You are just using a lot of lies to justify the theft of Kosovo.

Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija

pre 12 godina

KAlbanians so deceived by their own deceit over events in 98 onwards forget to realise that the truth is already in the open.

Lies, damn lies and statistics - NATO and the western media specialised in misinformation over Serbia - again using same deception to invade Iraq with lies over WMD whereas the Lie for illegally attacking Serbia in 1999 was lies of WMG Whereabouts of Mass Graves that never were

Sure we all remember the lies of US officials and NATO's spokesperson alike with their "100,000 missing and killed by Milosevic we must act.."

TRUTH;
"The death toll in Kosovo was in the hundreds before the start of the bombing campaign. It was around 5,000 by the end. Not quite the "genocide" that some people claimed, incidentally, but not a good precedent either.

I was working at Amnesty International during the Kosovo crisis. I first visited refugee camps in Albania and Macedonia during the conflict and then spent a year in Pristina seconded into the UN High Commissioner for Refugees. Tony Blair says that we "reversed ethnic cleansing" there, but I would not count the expulsion of over 100,000 Serbs and Roma from a province guarded by 40,000 Nato troops as a success.......

However, your claim that "hundreds of thousands of Kosovar Albanians" were expelled from their homes before the start of NATO air strikes is most definitely incorrect. This happened after the start of the bombing campaign, which is more than a minor detail, given the rest of your argument. Sorry to repeat myself, but the death toll was in the hundreds before Nato intervened."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/apr/20/oliverkammvconorfoley

Glenn

pre 12 godina

This would make more sense on Serbia's part if it had worked even once. Do what you want and say what you want, but countries that have already recognized Kosovo are not going to withdraw recognition, if for no other reason that it makes them look bad. If Serbia makes them mad enough, though, they may withdraw recognition of Serbia, or at least break off diplomatic relations (closing their embassy is a huge step in that direction).

Berk.

pre 12 godina

Before I forget, Jeremic was 2010 in Ghana. For that, thank you, Jeremic:

http://www.emg.rs/en/news/serbia/115637.html

Read just the last sentence of that link. Epic..

Cheers!

Hans

pre 12 godina

Look who's talking about ethnic clensing? More serbs have been ethnicly clensed then all other people put together. If you are refering to the k-albanians that left their homes during the war it was thanks to NATO bombing. That is a fact! They didn't leave before NATO bombed now did they? How many serbs have returned to Croatia and Kosovo? Looks like albaninas and croats were the a majority of students at Belgrade University of ethnic clensing.
(MikeC, 1 March 2012 16:04)

One Million Albanians leaving because of NATO Bombings ??? laughable
Not a single serb did flee during the NATO campaign ALTHOUGH a large part of the bombings did hit Serbia proper...
One million on one side....0 on the other...and you dare call this a fact ???

I'll tell you the fact... contrary to Serbia proper...someone in Kosovo was on the GROUND doing the dirty business the same one that acted the same way in Bosnia and Croatia...

Most of my relatives and inhabitants of my town had already left during summer 1998...one year before NATO got in.

Search your "facts" more thoroughly !

PJD

pre 12 godina

Why did Serbian Police take documents of every person leaving the country ???
(Engineer, 1 March 2012 20:59)

So they couldn't be used to create fake documents that could be used to allow non-citizens to return.

Kenny

pre 12 godina

Winston, that might be true. But do you really think that any country who chose to NOT recognize Kosovo as independent did it because they love Serbia so much (with exceptions on both sides). This is politics we are talking about.
Its pretty clear that countries who dont recognize Kosovo, do this because they are pressured by others (like China and Russia do when they threaten to cut their economic support for smaller countries). They dont do it because they wanna support Serbia. Just like there are countries who are pressured to recognize Kosovo. Some countries face their own problems and the Balkans arent even on their agenda right now.
You claim that the USA dont really give a damn about Albanians if it wasnt for their own profit. That might be true. But dont you ever think that the Russians or Chinese really care about you. Not even Moscow, no matter how many times they say that they love their little slavic-orthodox brothers. They didnt in the early 90's, they didnt in '99 and they dont do right now. We, and by we I mean every single country/nation/ethnicity/etc. on this earth are the playball of the big boys. Just remember that.

Engineer

pre 12 godina

Before I forget, Jeremic was 2010 in Ghana. For that, thank you, Jeremic:

[link]

Read just the last sentence of that link. Epic..

Cheers!
(Berk., 1 March 2012 16:08)

Good on Berk, It is important due to its high influence in Africa his own words, does this mean Vuk is expecting more recognition's.

You see how funny it is when Vuk goes there asks someone not to recognize its good and free democratic way but if any person goes and asks for recognition they come bearing gifts. I do not understand for a poor country Kosovo sure has a lot of money to send to Africa, US, UK....

This is Vuk go in archives and see:

ICJ ICJ ICJ--- CJ not in favor of so it does not matter.

Gahna NO NO NO --- Recognises Kosovo oh not important they are corrupt.

When he went to Swiss why did he not say same thing or why he did not kick Swiss Ambasador out they are not in EU or Norway why not VUK?????

Arber

pre 12 godina

You Serbs have such a short term memory!!
Just few days ago foreign minister Vuk Jeremic
Said Thad Ghana didn't recognize Kosova?
And swore up and down that it was a propaganda
From Albanian side! Just like he did last year with few other
Country's, my question is why don't you Serbs question the ability
Of your foreign minister and his many gaffes?
And till when will you conduct diplomacy based on fiction
And face reality? Can't live on myth and effects of short term
Propaganda.

Hans

pre 12 godina

If Serbia wanted to rid Kosovo of its albanian population then why didn't they do it before NATO began to drop their bombs? You don't make any sence. Serbs did also leave Kosovo during the bombing. Just after the bombing began my wifes entire family except for two of her brothers left Istok for Svilajnac. Out of perhaps 20-25 people only two decided to stay. You are just using a lot of lies to justify the theft of Kosovo.
(MikeC, 1 March 2012 18:42)

That was not my purpose...

May I repeat WHY DID NOT A SINGLE SERB FROM SERBIA PROPER flee to the neighboring countries ??
Did you see tens of thousands of serbs fleeing to Romania, Macedonia or Bulgaria ??? NO
NO, although at least the same amount of bombs hit Serbia proper...

Quiet disturbing isn't it ?

Perhaps are Serbs 1000 more courageous than Albanians and they stick to their flats LOL

You'll never hear one single albanian claiming he was fleeing because of NATO bombings.

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

Oh please MikeC, I am very familiar with the history here. I have always believed I could trust my own eyes, but it truns out, those were not Serbain army tanks and those people in Yugoslav army uniforms beating up a man in front of his children at the student canteen in Prishtina were actually just playing. My family it turns out really did not need to evacuate, those people threatening us were actually being funny. Stranegly enough, the Serb civilians jeering was also part of the show!! What do you know, maybe the war never really happened and I along with others just imagined the whole thing!!!

aaayyy

pre 12 godina

"Why would Serbs, Roma and others go to other countries when it is much easier to simply go north where they have relatives?"

Let me get this straight: Serbs, left Kosovo because it was the target of NATO bombs, decided tp escape to Serbia, which was also the target of NATO bombs? They should have done what the Albanians apparelty did, go to Macedonia or Albania to avoid being bombed, not go to another territory that is also being bombed! Seriously your rational has no bounds!!!
(Nikolle, 1 March 2012 22:13)

1) Kosovo was bombed more intensively.
2) Besides the bombing ethnic war was also going on in Kosovo.

A follows B follows C ad nauseam

pre 12 godina

LOL! NATO invents operation Horse Shoe as an excuse to intervene in Kosovo to stop ethinc cleansing and by their own intervention make it happen. Bright guys. Well paid too.

Lenard

pre 12 godina

That is Vuk's new strategy put the fear of the Greater Serbia in African nations which one is next to go. If that dose not work shoot your self in the other foot Vuk you mite get some pathetic sympathy for Serbia but I really doubt it.

Ian, UK

pre 12 godina

"Serbia has expelled Ghana’s ambassador after the African country recognized Kosovo's unilaterally declared independence, said reports."

Strange reaction to a FAKE recognition haha.

What does Vuk 'Holier than Thou' Jeremic have to say about this? Where are his words of wisdom on this subject?

Skifteri

pre 12 godina

serbia expels African diplomats back to Africa because they recognized the UDI.
Now serbia must expel all other diplomats from 22 EU countries and others around the world who have recognized UDI.

No double standards please!

Hopefully more recognitions come from Africa.
Cheers:)

Danilo

pre 12 godina

"With that background you should know that the correct term is not refugees but displaced persons. "A displaced person (sometimes abbreviated DP) is a person who has been forced to leave his or her native place, a phenomenon known as forced migration."


Wrong.

A "refugee" is someone who's fleeing their country

An IDP is someone who's fleeing their home to another place in their country.


Anyway. This is silly. I know a few Serbs who work in Ghana and I know that there are lots. These are the only people who will be hurt by this when it comes time for them to renew their work visas.

Peggy

pre 12 godina

But as rich a Pacoli could be he would not have the money to buy dozens of countries.
(pss, 2 March 2012 14:01)
======================

No, not countries, just the grubby little politicians from there.

Bill

pre 12 godina

funny, why didn't Belgrade kick out all the other ambassadors from the 88 coutries which regcognized Kosova? He even was in Switherland yesterday, and Switzerland also one one of the first countries which regcognized Kosovo. ..... It just just shows once more how stupid this whole BS about Kosovo is. It is time to get it over with, and just do yourself a big favor. Recognize Kosova, and things can go back to normal, Serbia will have more money for it's own ecconomic recovery, and will get credit for it from the rest of the world for finally starting to come to terms with its past....

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

"Why would Serbs, Roma and others go to other countries when it is much easier to simply go north where they have relatives?"

Let me get this straight: Serbs, left Kosovo because it was the target of NATO bombs, decided tp escape to Serbia, which was also the target of NATO bombs? They should have done what the Albanians apparelty did, go to Macedonia or Albania to avoid being bombed, not go to another territory that is also being bombed! Seriously your rational has no bounds!!!

Dardan

pre 12 godina

Why did Serbian Police take documents of every person leaving the country ???
(Engineer, 1 March 2012 20:59)
____________

Because serbs didn't want them to come back to their homes
(Ethnic cleansing)

icj1

pre 12 godina

The ICTY presented evidence that most people left AFTER the bombing, sic statistical spinner and extrapolator for the prosecution Dr. Robert Ball. You are confused (as usual) as there were IDP, Internally Displaced Persons, in Kosovo beforehand caused by KLA terrorism (that was when the State Department still had the KLA on their list of official terror organizations). That people left in 1998 show that they were being careful and also knew that the KLA were already targeting disloyal albanians and other minorities too. The ICTY and others also confirm that tens of thousands of Kosovo inhabitants actually fled NORTH once the bombing had started. Here's a clue, Albania is in the south and these people headed in the opposite direction. Inconvenient facts, no?
(No Hans, 1 March 2012 18:02)

OMG... after the Serbian version of 1244 and the Serbian version of ICJ's opinion, now we have a Serbian version of ICTY judgments. As for the English version, it says:

"In general, the Trial Chamber found that there was a broad campaign of violence directed against the Kosovo Albanian civilian population during the course of the NATO air-strikes, conducted by forces under the control of the FRY and Serbian authorities, during which there were incidents of killing, sexual assault, and the intentional destruction of mosques. It was the deliberate actions of these forces during this campaign that caused the departure of at least 700,000 Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo in the short period of time between the end of March and beginning of June 1999. Efforts by the MUP to conceal the killing of Kosovo Albanians, by transporting the bodies to other areas of Serbia, also suggested that such
killings were criminal in nature."

"Furthermore, NATO bombs struck targets across the FRY, with Belgrade suffering the most destruction, according to the former Commander of the VJ Air Force and Air Defence, and yet people did not leave Belgrade, or other parts of the FRY, in the massive numbers which fled Kosovo. The Chamber finds, therefore, that the NATO bombing was not the reason for the mass displacement of Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo."

http://www.icty.org/x/cases/milutinovic/tjug/en/090226summary.pdf

Comm. Parrisson

pre 12 godina

"If only Serbia had 1/100th of the financial wealth of Kosovo, it could BUY countries too. According to which argument you want to pitch today it is either a black hole or the richest country on the planet that it can buy others at a whim. "
(pss, 1 March 2012 14:55)

Serbia's moguls (like Karic) prefer to do business instead of spending money for buying recognitions for their state like Pacolli was doing even before he was appointed as Kosovo's official bribe minister.

I guess that he's still using his private money, or is there really a position 'bribe money' mentioned in the Kosovo budget (which is financed by donor money, a big part of it)?

Bwah Ha Ha!

pre 12 godina

Poor old ICJ1! Even the passage he quoted said that the mass movement of albanians happend AFTER NATO started bombing. Not before. As Jamie Shea, NATO spokesman of the time said, the ICTY is NATO's court and Louise Arbour refused to investigate NATO's actions. Transcripts from the ICTY quote KLA commanders telling albanians to flee. As if the ICTY was going to indict dear NATO for preciptating the war and acting as the KLA's airforce. But no, in ICJ1's little mind where the ICTY is bought and paid for by the usual suspects, he pokes his podgy little fingers at the text and squeals at the same time but cannot entertain the guilt of NATO in training and supporting a terrorist organization. War crimes for some, immunity for others. Hypocrite.

Ein, Zvei, Hans

pre 12 godina

Why would Serbs, Roma and others go to other countries when it is much easier to simply go north where they have relatives? Keep on changing you 'facts' or ignore inconvenient ones to suit you opinion why don't you? Duh!

Who guards the guardigans?

pre 12 godina

I was working at Amnesty International during the Kosovo crisis. I first visited refugee camps in Albania and Macedonia during the conflict and then spent a year in Pristina seconded into the UN High Commissioner for Refugees.
(Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija, 1 March 2012 20:21)

With that background you should know that the correct term is not refugees but displaced persons. "A displaced person (sometimes abbreviated DP) is a person who has been forced to leave his or her native place, a phenomenon known as forced migration."

P.S.: Have you actually read the article you provided a link to? Perhaps you should: "In fact 300,000 Kosovar Albanians fled in 1998 after Yugoslav forces attacked civilians and began expelling people from their homes. I agree that Milosevic intensified his xenophobic and murderous campaign after Nato intervened, and the major mistake made by Nato governments was to underestimate his capacity for violence. But all the evidence suggests that Milosevic's campaign was a continuation of what he intended to do, and was actually doing, rather than a provocation that forced him into uncharacteristic behaviour."

Brian

pre 12 godina

Tadic needs to be expelled for this

Belgrade agreed to allow Kosovo to speak under its flag in regional meetings and to sign international agreements like any other fully recognised nation.

Engineer

pre 12 godina

However, your claim that "hundreds of thousands of Kosovar Albanians" were expelled from their homes before the start of NATO air strikes is most definitely incorrect. This happened after the start of the bombing campaign, which is more than a minor detail, given the rest of your argument. Sorry to repeat myself, but the death toll was in the hundreds before Nato intervened."
[link]
(Principa, Gracanica, KiM, Srbija, 1 March 2012 20:21)

Lets say Principa here is correct and only hundreds where Killed man are you living in midle ages or in 2012. Serbain police did Kill and oppress K-Albanin population this is a fact you can twist it how you like but its not 1912 any more where you can change history.

All the worlld knows you committed crimes maybe not to numbers they did report at the start but still at 14,000 not your 5000.

You see I am sure President in Syria is saying the same only few hundred are killed West intervined in Serbia not to let another Bosnia happen the only reason this did not turn in to a Bosnia was that west was fed up of your tactics.

Why did Serbian Police take documents of every person leaving the country ???

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

aaayyy what rubbish. if you're escaping bombs, you don't go to another place that is being bombed!!! amazing the lengths that people go to to believe lies and deny reality. what next, no one was actually murdered in the war, all those dead bodies were actually crash dummies?

pss

pre 12 godina

Comm. Parrisson, 2 March 2012 09:57)
You seriously think Pacoli is using his own money to buy recognitions for Kosovo. why would he not just buy his own Carribean island and be done with it. Quite the desperation you have. Now I would agree that some countries have recognized in order to be in good with the US, the same as a country like Venezuela recognized the 2 Georgian provinces to look good for Russia.

But as rich a Pacoli could be he would not have the money to buy dozens of countries.

Engineer

pre 12 godina

Why did Serbian Police take documents of every person leaving the country ???
(Engineer, 1 March 2012 20:59)

So they couldn't be used to create fake documents that could be used to allow non-citizens to return.
(PJD, 1 March 2012 23:21)

Great next time u leave Serbia they should take your passport so you do not loose it and some non citizens comes to Serbia ... do you think when you write this comments?

to me this is mass explosion without right to go back.

Michael

pre 12 godina

As much as i appreciate the Serbian situation, i think it's a rush and an unfair decision to expel Ghana's Ambassador. After all, one of conditions for Serbia to be accepted into the EU would be for they themselves to accept Kosovo as a sovereign state. Would they expel all other EU countries who have thumb printed Kosovo's sovereignty too?

Who guards the guardians?

pre 12 godina

"With that background you should know that the correct term is not refugees but displaced persons. "A displaced person (sometimes abbreviated DP) is a person who has been forced to leave his or her native place, a phenomenon known as forced migration."

Wrong.

A "refugee" is someone who's fleeing their country

An IDP is someone who's fleeing their home to another place in their country.
(Danilo, 2 March 2012 07:55)

In 1998 K-Albanians were IDPs (Internally Displaced Persons), but in 1999 certainly not: Forced expulsion (although some commentators try to claim that it was a collective camping trip), that why I stick to the term Displaced Persons (DPs)if you don't mind.

icj1

pre 12 godina

1) Kosovo was bombed more intensively.
2) Besides the bombing ethnic war was also going on in Kosovo.
(aaayyy, 2 March 2012 12:09)

You are wrong, dear... according to the former Commander of the VJ Air Force and Air Defence Belgrade suffered the most destruction, and yet people did not leave Belgrade, or other parts of the FRY, in the massive numbers which fled Kosovo. Therefore, the NATO bombing was not the
reason for the mass displacement of Kosovo Albanians from Kosovo.

http://www.icty.org/x/cases/milutinovic/tjug/en/090226summary.pdf
Page 3

Simple logic...

Glenn

pre 12 godina

Why did Serbian Police take documents of every person leaving the country ???
(Engineer, 1 March 2012 20:59)

So they couldn't be used to create fake documents that could be used to allow non-citizens to return.
(PJD, 1 March 2012 23:21)

Really? Really?? Really???? It seems like then we would never issue documents to anyone, for fear that they could forge them. Also, by taking their documents, it might make it a little hard for citizens to return, but wasn't that really the point? If Serbia had treated Albanians like citizens, their population would be about 2 million higher, there territory would be about 20% larger

EdI Lakaj

pre 12 godina

Why did Serbian Police take documents of every person leaving the country ???
(Engineer, 1 March 2012 20:59)

So they couldn't be used to create fake documents that could be used to allow non-citizens to return.
(PJD, 1 March 2012 23:21)

PJD,

This tactic seems to have backfired on the Serbs, don't you think, and you wonder why you lost Kosova forever. There were many international observers on the ground in 1999 and they recorded what happened for the whole world to see. This is an undeniable fact and Serbia has failed to hide the truth. The UN then proceeded to issue authentic documents for each and every Kosovar. This must have been a stinging blow to the Serbs. And now the Serbs must face their victims as equals each time they attend an international meeting. A most humiliating experience for Serbia.

WTH?

pre 12 godina

So they couldn't be used to create fake documents that could be used to allow non-citizens to return.
(PJD, 1 March 2012 23:21)

And how would the expelled citizens return (assuming there were "non-citizens")? Or are you admitting that Serbia has treated all K-Albanians as "non-citizens"???

vajsberg

pre 12 godina

On topic:
One of the Commonwealth members. Actually, the first African country to join Commonwealth (South Africa was the founder). Great move, Mr. Jeremic. Besides, I have never heard for the country sending the ambassador of another country to consult with his own foreign office. Sounds like pretty surreal "diplomacy" to me.
About off topic discussion in these comments:
It's equally senseless to argue with prejudices formed by nationalist propaganda of (post-)Milosevic Serbian media and with prejudices formed by talking points implemented in Western media by Ruder-Finn* as well.
* During the 90ies, Ruder-Finn was the PR agency of "Republic of Kosovo".