Near unanimous rejection of Kosovo institutions

Mayor of Zvečan Dobrosav Dobrić told a press conference that "no one can annul or not take into account the referendum results". That is true. It will not effect the agreements made between Belgrade and Brussels but, it will have a psychological effect on future talks concerning Kosovo. Self-determination was the cornerstone of the Albanian UDI, and the results of this referendum will be that for the Serbs in the North of Kosovo.

China, a silly screen name for an Albanian, in any case, the Preshevo Valley has nothing to do with Northern Kosovo, or the referendum that just happened. Only nationalist Albanians like you can form a parallel - the rest of the world does not think that way, or care about some silly referendum Albanians had two decades ago. Albanians held more referendums, than Heinz has varieties.

Hypothetically speaking, if this referendum is honored by both, Prishtina and Belgrade, don't you think it sets precedent for other minorities in Serbia, MN, Croatis, B&H and Macedonia to do the same?
(metrod, 20 February 2012 18:32)

No, Northern Kosovo is a unique case.

"Mayor of Zvečan Dobrosav Dobrić told a press conference that "no one can annul or not take into account the referendum results".

Yes of course...)))) Can we "congratulate" you?

"Mayor of Zvečan Dobrosav Dobrić told a press conference that "no one can annul or not take into account the referendum results"."

Of course, no one will do anything about it beucase the referendum does not exist, legally speaking LOL

Couldn't their president abolish the parallel institutions, stop funding them, or fire these "local leaders"? The inquiring minds want to know since Mr. Tadic has come out publicly against this unanimous action.

BTW congratulations to the non-supervised referendum, with results of 99.74% a parallel can be drawn with russia's "democratic" elections.

Sincerely,

Nowhere in the world can you get 99.74 percent.

this referendum has made the Albanian referendum in the 90 and the future referendum in Presevo valley valid. serbia is in a interesting position. if serbia decides to use this referendum for integrity purposes, it has now given a weapon to albanians to say that 90s referendum is the will of people since the turnout was over 90% with almost 100% of voter demanding independence.

"Mayor of Zvečan Dobrosav Dobrić told a press conference that "no one can annul or not take into account the referendum results".

Well, then expect a big surprise, because the borders will be strictly controlled.

Hypothetically speaking, if this referendum is honored by both, Prishtina and Belgrade, don't you think it sets precedent for other minorities in Serbia, MN, Croatis, B&H and Macedonia to do the same?

Hypothetically speaking, if this referendum is honored by both, Prishtina and Belgrade, don't you think it sets precedent for other minorities in Serbia, MN, Croatis, B&H and Macedonia to do the same?
(metrod, 20 February 2012 18:32)
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Now you're worried about precedents? Interesting.
BT, yes you can get those results when people are united and determined.
If you don't think they are accurate, do write in to the local Albanian papers.

Hypothetically speaking, if this referendum is honored by both, Prishtina and Belgrade, don't you think it sets precedent for other minorities in Serbia, MN, Croatis, B&H and Macedonia to do the same?
(metrod, 20 February 2012 18:32)

What about Serbs living in those countries?

Nowhere in the world can you get 99.74 percent.
(BT, 20 February 2012 19:38)

Of course you can. Apply the same referendum on Kosovo's independence from Serbia to the Albanians, and you'd probably get 122%. Shows you what Serbs think of Pristina's "law and order".

Hypothetically speaking, if this referendum is honored by both, Prishtina and Belgrade, don't you think it sets precedent for other minorities in Serbia, MN, Croatis, B&H and Macedonia to do the same?
(metrod, 20 February 2012 18:32)

Could be, though everyone is saying Kosovo is a sui generis case. But in IMHO, I really don't care. You want to have a referendum all over the place - BiH, Presevo, CG, MK, HR, Gracanica, Strpce, Dragas - do it. Let's have some fun. Seriously, I'm not kidding! :)

I've read a few incorrect leaps on implication. Let me correct.

If set A applies function F and claim this as valid. We can represent this as F(A). However if you consider set B as one that does not apply function F(B) is not a valid lexicon.

So consider set A to be those that recognized the validity of a referendum in Kosovo as the right of the people. And the function F to be the application of a referendum that involves political disobedience towards their government.
We can see that this set clearly includes Kosovo (amoung many others).

Consider set B to be the set that does not recognize that validity of a referendum in Kosovo, and cannot apply the referendum function (F). We can clearly see that Serbia is in this set (with many others).

So Kosovo is in a set that believes that referendums such as this one are valid. As do 87 other counties.

Serbia and 105 countries do not recognize the application of the referendum function.

Set A (especially Kosovo) should recognize the will of these people, unless of course it's nothing but a political game and they don't actually believe in their 'principled' stance.

Set B (Serbia primarily) shouldn't recognize the referendum, which they are following through with.

So those from set A why the change of heart?

Nowhere in the world can you get 99.74 percent.
(BT, 20 February 2012 19:38)

Didn't Hash get 147% in one of his constituencies in the last election. A feat not even fellow despots like General Than Shwee or Robert Mugabe could ever hope to muster.

What a guy :)

99.74% is a impressive number of Serbs rejecting so called "Kosovo institutions"How this referendum could be anything else but powerful expression of the will of the Serbs of Northern Kosovo?EULEX and all other international organizations operating under umbrela of UNSC resolution 1244 neither have right or mandate to change Northern Kosovo status.Northern Kosovo is in Serbia,allways was and always will be.With this referendum they (Northern Kosovo Serbs)tells the World and Pristina's Goverment we do not want Pristina's authority on ours indigenous territory.I would like to ask anybody to tell me:What is there for Serbs of Northern Kosovo if they accept Pristina's authority?
Better Life,better cultural/ educational system or better economic opportunities?Let examine for a minute who Kosovo Albanians are?Looking at map of Europe today,Kosovo Albanians are last one in every category of worthy human endeavor.In view of this,how anyone with straight face could ask Northern Kosovo Serbs to join such low life entity.

So those from set A why the change of heart?

-- Hardy for your math to work you chose to intentionally leave out one big condition. Serbia sent tanks in Kosova and managed to piss off half of the world and got bombed as a result. When Kosova sends tanks to Belgrade and NATO bombs it as a result of that then your equation becomes true. Then I will be the first to support N. Kosova to have more than autonomy and less then independence; much like you guys are doing now.

I still maintain that Serbs in northern Kosovo may find that this referendum has unintended consequences. So far, everything has went just as I thought it would, including the response of the media, Kosovo government, Serbian government, and other countries.

The northern Kosovo Serbs have shown unequivocally that they:
- Are not accepting rule by the Kosovo government
- Are not accepting rule by the Serbian government
- Are not part of the greater Serbian community in Kosovo (which happens to participate in Kosovo institutions)

In other words, they are completely autonomous. But they are far, far too small to be a country, since there are less people in northern Kosovo than in a small city, so they must be an autonomous region a country.

Other factors at play:
- The international forces absolutely refuse to change borders for fear of triggering a war in surrounding countries
- Serbia needs to join the EU to reverse its economic freefall
- The Serbs in north Kosovo have alienated themselves from Belgrade and have lost a lot of support

So, since northern Kosovo is an autonomous area, it might just as well be autonomous in Kosovo as in Serbia. Serbia gets the EU, Kosovo keeps its current borders, the international powers are happy, and Serbs in north Kosovo are perhaps not happy, but will at least be living autonomously. It will allow everyone to get on with life and to begin to try to create a much better future for themselves and their children.

I am sure that some don't want to hear this, so feel free to respond with scathing criticism if you must, but either way, just wait and you will see that this is exactly how this will work out.

this referendum has made the Albanian referendum in the 90 and the future referendum in Presevo valley valid. serbia is in a interesting position. if serbia decides to use this referendum for integrity purposes, it has now given a weapon to albanians to say that 90s referendum is the will of people since the turnout was over 90% with almost 100% of voter demanding independence.

"Mayor of Zvečan Dobrosav Dobrić told a press conference that "no one can annul or not take into account the referendum results"."

Of course, no one will do anything about it beucase the referendum does not exist, legally speaking LOL

"Mayor of Zvečan Dobrosav Dobrić told a press conference that "no one can annul or not take into account the referendum results".

Yes of course...)))) Can we "congratulate" you?

Couldn't their president abolish the parallel institutions, stop funding them, or fire these "local leaders"? The inquiring minds want to know since Mr. Tadic has come out publicly against this unanimous action.

BTW congratulations to the non-supervised referendum, with results of 99.74% a parallel can be drawn with russia's "democratic" elections.

Sincerely,

Hypothetically speaking, if this referendum is honored by both, Prishtina and Belgrade, don't you think it sets precedent for other minorities in Serbia, MN, Croatis, B&H and Macedonia to do the same?

"Mayor of Zvečan Dobrosav Dobrić told a press conference that "no one can annul or not take into account the referendum results".

Well, then expect a big surprise, because the borders will be strictly controlled.

Nowhere in the world can you get 99.74 percent.

China, a silly screen name for an Albanian, in any case, the Preshevo Valley has nothing to do with Northern Kosovo, or the referendum that just happened. Only nationalist Albanians like you can form a parallel - the rest of the world does not think that way, or care about some silly referendum Albanians had two decades ago. Albanians held more referendums, than Heinz has varieties.

Mayor of Zvečan Dobrosav Dobrić told a press conference that "no one can annul or not take into account the referendum results". That is true. It will not effect the agreements made between Belgrade and Brussels but, it will have a psychological effect on future talks concerning Kosovo. Self-determination was the cornerstone of the Albanian UDI, and the results of this referendum will be that for the Serbs in the North of Kosovo.

Hypothetically speaking, if this referendum is honored by both, Prishtina and Belgrade, don't you think it sets precedent for other minorities in Serbia, MN, Croatis, B&H and Macedonia to do the same?
(metrod, 20 February 2012 18:32)

No, Northern Kosovo is a unique case.

Hypothetically speaking, if this referendum is honored by both, Prishtina and Belgrade, don't you think it sets precedent for other minorities in Serbia, MN, Croatis, B&H and Macedonia to do the same?
(metrod, 20 February 2012 18:32)
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Now you're worried about precedents? Interesting.
BT, yes you can get those results when people are united and determined.
If you don't think they are accurate, do write in to the local Albanian papers.

Nowhere in the world can you get 99.74 percent.
(BT, 20 February 2012 19:38)

Of course you can. Apply the same referendum on Kosovo's independence from Serbia to the Albanians, and you'd probably get 122%. Shows you what Serbs think of Pristina's "law and order".

Hypothetically speaking, if this referendum is honored by both, Prishtina and Belgrade, don't you think it sets precedent for other minorities in Serbia, MN, Croatis, B&H and Macedonia to do the same?
(metrod, 20 February 2012 18:32)

Could be, though everyone is saying Kosovo is a sui generis case. But in IMHO, I really don't care. You want to have a referendum all over the place - BiH, Presevo, CG, MK, HR, Gracanica, Strpce, Dragas - do it. Let's have some fun. Seriously, I'm not kidding! :)

Nowhere in the world can you get 99.74 percent.
(BT, 20 February 2012 19:38)

Didn't Hash get 147% in one of his constituencies in the last election. A feat not even fellow despots like General Than Shwee or Robert Mugabe could ever hope to muster.

What a guy :)

So those from set A why the change of heart?

-- Hardy for your math to work you chose to intentionally leave out one big condition. Serbia sent tanks in Kosova and managed to piss off half of the world and got bombed as a result. When Kosova sends tanks to Belgrade and NATO bombs it as a result of that then your equation becomes true. Then I will be the first to support N. Kosova to have more than autonomy and less then independence; much like you guys are doing now.

I've read a few incorrect leaps on implication. Let me correct.

If set A applies function F and claim this as valid. We can represent this as F(A). However if you consider set B as one that does not apply function F(B) is not a valid lexicon.

So consider set A to be those that recognized the validity of a referendum in Kosovo as the right of the people. And the function F to be the application of a referendum that involves political disobedience towards their government.
We can see that this set clearly includes Kosovo (amoung many others).

Consider set B to be the set that does not recognize that validity of a referendum in Kosovo, and cannot apply the referendum function (F). We can clearly see that Serbia is in this set (with many others).

So Kosovo is in a set that believes that referendums such as this one are valid. As do 87 other counties.

Serbia and 105 countries do not recognize the application of the referendum function.

Set A (especially Kosovo) should recognize the will of these people, unless of course it's nothing but a political game and they don't actually believe in their 'principled' stance.

Set B (Serbia primarily) shouldn't recognize the referendum, which they are following through with.

So those from set A why the change of heart?

I still maintain that Serbs in northern Kosovo may find that this referendum has unintended consequences. So far, everything has went just as I thought it would, including the response of the media, Kosovo government, Serbian government, and other countries.

The northern Kosovo Serbs have shown unequivocally that they:
- Are not accepting rule by the Kosovo government
- Are not accepting rule by the Serbian government
- Are not part of the greater Serbian community in Kosovo (which happens to participate in Kosovo institutions)

In other words, they are completely autonomous. But they are far, far too small to be a country, since there are less people in northern Kosovo than in a small city, so they must be an autonomous region a country.

Other factors at play:
- The international forces absolutely refuse to change borders for fear of triggering a war in surrounding countries
- Serbia needs to join the EU to reverse its economic freefall
- The Serbs in north Kosovo have alienated themselves from Belgrade and have lost a lot of support

So, since northern Kosovo is an autonomous area, it might just as well be autonomous in Kosovo as in Serbia. Serbia gets the EU, Kosovo keeps its current borders, the international powers are happy, and Serbs in north Kosovo are perhaps not happy, but will at least be living autonomously. It will allow everyone to get on with life and to begin to try to create a much better future for themselves and their children.

I am sure that some don't want to hear this, so feel free to respond with scathing criticism if you must, but either way, just wait and you will see that this is exactly how this will work out.

Hypothetically speaking, if this referendum is honored by both, Prishtina and Belgrade, don't you think it sets precedent for other minorities in Serbia, MN, Croatis, B&H and Macedonia to do the same?
(metrod, 20 February 2012 18:32)

What about Serbs living in those countries?

99.74% is a impressive number of Serbs rejecting so called "Kosovo institutions"How this referendum could be anything else but powerful expression of the will of the Serbs of Northern Kosovo?EULEX and all other international organizations operating under umbrela of UNSC resolution 1244 neither have right or mandate to change Northern Kosovo status.Northern Kosovo is in Serbia,allways was and always will be.With this referendum they (Northern Kosovo Serbs)tells the World and Pristina's Goverment we do not want Pristina's authority on ours indigenous territory.I would like to ask anybody to tell me:What is there for Serbs of Northern Kosovo if they accept Pristina's authority?
Better Life,better cultural/ educational system or better economic opportunities?Let examine for a minute who Kosovo Albanians are?Looking at map of Europe today,Kosovo Albanians are last one in every category of worthy human endeavor.In view of this,how anyone with straight face could ask Northern Kosovo Serbs to join such low life entity.