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Tuesday, 31.01.2012.

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Orthodox church set on fire in Macedonia

An Orthodox church was set on fire in the village of Labuniste, southwestern Macedonia, Skoplje-based media have reported.

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Al Mualima from Kufaristan

pre 12 godina

Don't you observe the Sunnah, righteousness European Muslims? Your prophet clearly stated that you shouldn't punish anyone with 'Allah's punishment (fire)'**. Look it up. It's in Sahih al Bukhari.

For all non-muslims who are thinking ''WTF?'': yes you read it right, Allah's, not Satan's, punishment in Islam, is fire.
Yes, ponder on that for a while.

I am surprised by the fact that I keep being surprised by things that shouldn't surprise me at all, like this barbaric burning of the places of worship because someone somewhere wore some kind of mask, drew some cartoons or said something. It's ridiculous, barbaric and has no place in the 21st century ANYWHERE on this planet.

If FYR Macedonians think they can appease these kinds of people, then they are sorely mistaken. I hope I'm wrong, but things are just going to get worse from here on and I suspect another mini-Albania will be desired.
Shame.


**Muhammed said you can just kill the infidel, but burning is a no-no.

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

Bulgar of Ohrid, thank you for your information, but you are too late. The Serbs here in B92 has decided that they are Albanian and nobody can change their mind now. I and you would read after weeks, months and years here in B92, how Albanians burn this church in Macedonia. I hope that Slav Macedonians doesn’t be infected from this phobia that Serbs has versus Albanian people. Phobia is not strength but weakness, is not superiority but inferiority.

Mark

pre 12 godina

Unlucky FYROM LOL, Maybe you should stop feeding propoganda to your citizens teaching them to hate their neighbours shown by their disgraceful behaviour towards Albanians during that festival

Bulgar Of Ohrid

pre 12 godina

Actually the village where the church got damaged is inhabited my Slavic Muslims - The torbeshi.. there are no Albanians living in this village, last night I read that in Tetovo another church was damaged in Mala Recica which is inhabited by Albanians...

It would be silly for Macedonians to react, no need to burn mosques or take out revenge.. of they do that then they are the same hence the sparks will become a fire..

Time to move away from the tit for tat attitude.. its 2012 not 1912 where %80 of the balkan people were ileterate..

The burning of churches could have been done by a 15 year old boy..

Its simple, if you ignore the extremists they will eventualy go back to bed.. hence no need to throw petrol on the fire..

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 12 godina

In light of what 'Tirana boy' had to say I'll acknowledge that as a Muslim and as some might expect that I have an urge to associate with Albanian Muslims(preferably the Muslims who are pleasant to communicate with and someone I can personally relate to) but I can be the same towards Albanian non-Muslims who are decent and easy as well to relate to.

Although I don't know any Albanians personally I'll state that Albanian Muslims who I've chatted with don't appear to be religious zealots and/or fanatics.

Skinner

pre 12 godina

How can these Macedonians be Hellinic/Slavic/Macedonian/Alexandrians all at the same time? Isn't there a conflict of historical fact there?

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

According to preliminary information, unidentified perpetrators caused fire which damaged considerable part of the site.
As Albanian I want to condemn the act. I hope that police identify the perpetrators. And I’m sure if they result non Albanian we will not discuss here more in B92 for this topic. But I’m also sure that even police don’t identify them they are just identified judged and punished from Serbs poster here for sure like “Albanian terrorist”

Ivan

pre 12 godina

NO BURNED MOSQUES!!! that would be terrible. This is working perfectly. The albanians are walking right into a trap. THey are self destructing, let them be there own worst enemy. Serbs should continue the verbal provocation. Its always the person who swings first that gets blamed for the fight. Christian Amanpour wont be able to save them if they continue this terrible Public relations.

wozers

pre 12 godina

seems like monkeydonia and his analbangian friends don't like being called out for what they actual are. they're showing up in numbers or the same few are repeated disagreeing with the posts that aren't coddling these ever so sensative firestarters. perhaps one day, when school is over and reality actually faces these poor souls they will grow up and learn that they were thinking like spoilt children, and were encouraging the same behaviour. this is not the behaviour of a european nation, nor is it the behaviour of a civilized nation. this is the behaviour of children without appropriate rearing. and this is the behaviour that monkeydonia and his analbangian friends support.

tirana boy

pre 12 godina

as albanian of Republic of Albania (not Kandahar Macedonia), i am ashamed. This people have nothing to do with albanians. May the people of this village build three new churches. Take the example of Albania. Muslims, orthodox, catholics and atheist live together and NEVER EVER something like this occured. Muslims and orthodox marry and have children here. However B92, stop calling Al-Qaeda exponents albanians... they are not human

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

Betty Johnston

sadly B92 decided not to publish my comment (though it wasn't flamatory). i would really like to know about that superstition as I have never heard of it or for that matter experienced it (and i've been to funerals in Kosova. i'd really like to know who told you such a thing,.

as for grave yards, provide me with a link thsat serb grave yeards have been desecrated this year (after all, its a rutine event appatrently).

". Did you Albaniacs just get a shiver?"

if this isn't a clandestine threat then i dont know what is. the albanians in macedonia are macedonian citizens. as long as they enjoy equal rights they have no reason to agitate for anything. who knows maybe Kosova would still be a part of Serbia if you had looked at us the same

Monkeydonia

pre 12 godina

Only in Macedonia...What a clever way to stir up ethnic tensions, destabilize your country and poke fun at the religion of 1/3 of the Macedonian population.

winston

pre 12 godina

As long as Albanians have backing from the West, they will behave badly. But, the West will not be in the Balkans forever. Times will change, and the US and the EU will be gone one day from Kosovo and Macedonia, along with their rent - a - soldiers. Wonder how the Albanians will behave then? We all know the day is coming. Did you Albaniacs just get a shiver?

Gjorgje

pre 12 godina

This just shows that Albanians are not western or European. In the west we make fun of everybody. Have you ever seen South Park? Family Guy? We wouldn't have cared if the Albanians made fun of Christianity. Making fun of someone is one thing,actively destroying a church is completely irrational. Macedonia has a long tradition of "eye for an eye." There will be a burned mosque coming soon.

ivan

pre 12 godina

Since all of this violence is being praised by pro albaniansi feel its ok for me to ask them this. Do you really think that violence against Serbs is sustainable? Do you really think that when all this violence stirs up a reaction form the Serbs that you can handle that reaction? Do you really think that you stand a chance at winning this violence game? My friends if another war is what you are pushing for wtih these comments condoning these actions i really really hope you get what you wish for. Only this time i hope Nato doesnt come to your rescue. by 2017 kosovo will be in full control of Serbia, mark my words. The albanians are big time aiding the Serbian cause with these types of racism and descrimination

???

pre 12 godina

Am I to understand that some of the uber warriors on this site are advocating physical retaliation for verbal provocation? Shameful is all I can say. Perhaps a few more years in Kinder would have help you understand "sticks and stones might break my bones by words can never hurt me".

Mikolas

pre 12 godina

National sport of Albanien are burning churches and selling drugs since they are antitalented in sport.

Not even Arabic nationas acted like this when Denmark made jokes about Muhamed 4 years ago. Thats Western democracy you can make jokes about everything but albanians have no clue what joke is just a bunch of fanatics they have 0% europ mentality.

Macedonians burn no koran, just jokes. Whats should they do burns moske 3 yeras old ? only 3 moske 500 years old in Macedonia and all are build buy otomans and we respect Turks.

Dibrani007

pre 12 godina

This article severly downplays the abuse and disrespect that FYROMians have demonstrated towards Albanians and Islam. This rascist festival was state sponsored with tax payer dollars. That means that Albanian tax dollars went towards a festival that made fun of them and their religion. Now that is sickening.

Dibrani007@yahoo.com

pre 12 godina

Time for NATO to bomb Skopje and free the suffering Albanians. Also a perfect time for a staged "massacre" of Albanians to trigger the propaganda assault on these evil and genocidal Macedonians. Hey, it just may work a second time. Only thing missing is a nasty Macedonian personality to blame. Let's create one!
(Michael Thompson, 31 January 2012 15:49)

Anyone out there that takes you seriously is a fool. What non-sense!

Avni

pre 12 godina

I wonder what made them do this! I don't think they did it just for fun. I personally have nothing against this. Next time FYROMians will think twice before they attack other peoples religion. Times to attack Albanians and not be punished for that are thing of the past.

Michael Thompson

pre 12 godina

Time for NATO to bomb Skopje and free the suffering Albanians. Also a perfect time for a staged "massacre" of Albanians to trigger the propaganda assault on these evil and genocidal Macedonians. Hey, it just may work a second time. Only thing missing is a nasty Macedonian personality to blame. Let's create one!

Betty Johnston

pre 12 godina

Nikolle, your comment is a display of ignorance of the situation in Kosovo regarding the destruction of graveyards. I worked in Kosovo and can think of about 20 Serbian cemeteries that have been desecrated. The most obvious in South K. Mitrovica. While in Istok/Istog all the headstones were destroyed and then STOLEN for their granite! There's nothing there but a field.

One municipality in Western Kosovo installed a water reservoir right next to a Serbian cemetery and the bones of the dead started coming out of the ground. I took a family on a go-and-see visit in a village in Pec/Peja near the destroyed Serbian village of Belopolje and most of the graves were completely destroyed.

It is very important to note that the Islamic graveyard in the Serbian populated North of K. Mitrovica has NEVER been damaged and to this day remains respected.

Now for an anecdote to lighten the mood. I was driving by a funeral one day with one of my Albanian staff in Vucitrn/Vushtrri. The burials are only attended by men. All of the sudden at the end all the men started rushing away from the funeral. My staff member explained to me that there is a superstition in Albanian culture that the last person to leave the funeral will be the next person to die. It was like every man for himself at the end of it as they were all bolting out of there. I felt bad for the old man limping away as fast as he could.

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

"Otherwise, they would have been wiped out from the map."

is that why you advocate, that they be wiped off the map? p.s. i love the assertion that graves are routinely defiled, go ahead, point me to a news story today that serb graves have been defiled in Kosovo. i am betting my right arm that you can't.

As for this particular act, yes its stupid.

ben

pre 12 godina

albaninas in FYROM live the life of the cheated husband.

RYROM-ians at each occasion will

- provoke (the national enciclopedia of FROM portraying Albanians as wild montanairs, from a nationa which identity is disputed by all her neighbours with the only exception being exactly Alabanians),

- insult(game held in Serba FYROM vs Sweden while Serbs were insulting FYROMians these cowards were replyng with insults towards Albanians), discrminate (the Albanina language removed from the international Airport although 70% of users of the airport services are Albanian),

- falsification (the new 'arc de triumph' (which is already a joke) portrairs part of Albania as belonging to FYROM),

- some sort of carnival with jokes of putting a 1.5m long dildo on the islamic falg,

are just some of the "cheatings" that FYROMians did in the last 6 months. If one wants to keep record of all provocations for the past years one can write entire volums.

Yet Albanian parties in FYROM do not even leave the govt. They are super loyal to a fashist Govt of Grievski.

It is obvious to everyone that this marrige is not working. It is been tried for at least in the past 20 years, and during Yugo the racism in FYROm towards Albanians was going that far that only 3% of pupils finishing elementary school had right to go to high school. Or even a list of banned names i.e one could not name her doughter say Vlora, or the son Ilir.

And if you continua puting fire on a presure pan by keeping the valve closed one day excpect that it will explode, hopefully on the head of Alb reps in FYROMina govt for first.

This marriede does not work. Full stop.

ben

pre 12 godina

One more important info I forgot to mention:

in 2009 an Albanian orthodox monastir close to Gostivar "manastiri mbi gurre" renamed by slavs "manasti bigorski" the library of which contained centuries of documetation of birth, deaths, books, original copies of the books of 19th cent Albanian poet Josif Bageri (born in that area), of the local Alabanian orthodox popoluation. Just few years ago Albanian monks were removed form that monestery and oplaa "accident" happened the entire library is lost now.

So someone sets monastirs in flame from idiotic revange, others for political/fashist goal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Jovan_Bigorski_Monastery

PEN

pre 12 godina

@Engelbert,

Indeed. They've been burning and desecrating churches in Kosovo for years now. Burial grounds are routinely defiled. But don't worry. The West keeps telling everybody how unreligious and secular the Albanians are. That's why Islamist Albanians are being apprehended in both Europe and America for terrorist offences. Why they wouldn't harm a fly now would they.

ivan

pre 12 godina

A little impoverished insignificant country like Albania doing what they are. This never would have happened if they would not have received support from the evil empire. Otherwise, they would have been wiped out from the map.

slavic

pre 12 godina

here you can see how peacefull are albanians and what they want to do in Macedonia and for sure Kosovo. Ethnical cleansing - nothing less.

PapaJohn

pre 12 godina

According to Beta news agency, ethnic Albanians in Macedonia "also reacted" to Macedonian fans, who, while supporting their national team in the European Handball Championship held in Serbia, chanted "anti-Albanian slogans". Well, what can one say about this, except be shocked. To burn a centuries old church with valuable icons, in response to someone wearing a mask that may have insulted Islam, and for chanting anti-Albanian slogans, is beyond comprehension. Should Orthodox believers burn a mosque in the Balkans every time an Albanian throws a stone at a non-Albanian? What the hell do you do with people like these? What does a religious structure have to do with fans at a handball game? Can some proud Albanian explain that to me? And do you believe Albanians are justified in destroying religious monuments of non-Islam worshippers?

Kenny

pre 12 godina

No matter what provocation there might have been, it doesnt justify the destruction of religious monuments. It doesnt achieve anything but more problems.

PapaJohn

pre 12 godina

According to Beta news agency, ethnic Albanians in Macedonia "also reacted" to Macedonian fans, who, while supporting their national team in the European Handball Championship held in Serbia, chanted "anti-Albanian slogans". Well, what can one say about this, except be shocked. To burn a centuries old church with valuable icons, in response to someone wearing a mask that may have insulted Islam, and for chanting anti-Albanian slogans, is beyond comprehension. Should Orthodox believers burn a mosque in the Balkans every time an Albanian throws a stone at a non-Albanian? What the hell do you do with people like these? What does a religious structure have to do with fans at a handball game? Can some proud Albanian explain that to me? And do you believe Albanians are justified in destroying religious monuments of non-Islam worshippers?

Kenny

pre 12 godina

No matter what provocation there might have been, it doesnt justify the destruction of religious monuments. It doesnt achieve anything but more problems.

ben

pre 12 godina

albaninas in FYROM live the life of the cheated husband.

RYROM-ians at each occasion will

- provoke (the national enciclopedia of FROM portraying Albanians as wild montanairs, from a nationa which identity is disputed by all her neighbours with the only exception being exactly Alabanians),

- insult(game held in Serba FYROM vs Sweden while Serbs were insulting FYROMians these cowards were replyng with insults towards Albanians), discrminate (the Albanina language removed from the international Airport although 70% of users of the airport services are Albanian),

- falsification (the new 'arc de triumph' (which is already a joke) portrairs part of Albania as belonging to FYROM),

- some sort of carnival with jokes of putting a 1.5m long dildo on the islamic falg,

are just some of the "cheatings" that FYROMians did in the last 6 months. If one wants to keep record of all provocations for the past years one can write entire volums.

Yet Albanian parties in FYROM do not even leave the govt. They are super loyal to a fashist Govt of Grievski.

It is obvious to everyone that this marrige is not working. It is been tried for at least in the past 20 years, and during Yugo the racism in FYROm towards Albanians was going that far that only 3% of pupils finishing elementary school had right to go to high school. Or even a list of banned names i.e one could not name her doughter say Vlora, or the son Ilir.

And if you continua puting fire on a presure pan by keeping the valve closed one day excpect that it will explode, hopefully on the head of Alb reps in FYROMina govt for first.

This marriede does not work. Full stop.

slavic

pre 12 godina

here you can see how peacefull are albanians and what they want to do in Macedonia and for sure Kosovo. Ethnical cleansing - nothing less.

PEN

pre 12 godina

@Engelbert,

Indeed. They've been burning and desecrating churches in Kosovo for years now. Burial grounds are routinely defiled. But don't worry. The West keeps telling everybody how unreligious and secular the Albanians are. That's why Islamist Albanians are being apprehended in both Europe and America for terrorist offences. Why they wouldn't harm a fly now would they.

Betty Johnston

pre 12 godina

Nikolle, your comment is a display of ignorance of the situation in Kosovo regarding the destruction of graveyards. I worked in Kosovo and can think of about 20 Serbian cemeteries that have been desecrated. The most obvious in South K. Mitrovica. While in Istok/Istog all the headstones were destroyed and then STOLEN for their granite! There's nothing there but a field.

One municipality in Western Kosovo installed a water reservoir right next to a Serbian cemetery and the bones of the dead started coming out of the ground. I took a family on a go-and-see visit in a village in Pec/Peja near the destroyed Serbian village of Belopolje and most of the graves were completely destroyed.

It is very important to note that the Islamic graveyard in the Serbian populated North of K. Mitrovica has NEVER been damaged and to this day remains respected.

Now for an anecdote to lighten the mood. I was driving by a funeral one day with one of my Albanian staff in Vucitrn/Vushtrri. The burials are only attended by men. All of the sudden at the end all the men started rushing away from the funeral. My staff member explained to me that there is a superstition in Albanian culture that the last person to leave the funeral will be the next person to die. It was like every man for himself at the end of it as they were all bolting out of there. I felt bad for the old man limping away as fast as he could.

ivan

pre 12 godina

A little impoverished insignificant country like Albania doing what they are. This never would have happened if they would not have received support from the evil empire. Otherwise, they would have been wiped out from the map.

Michael Thompson

pre 12 godina

Time for NATO to bomb Skopje and free the suffering Albanians. Also a perfect time for a staged "massacre" of Albanians to trigger the propaganda assault on these evil and genocidal Macedonians. Hey, it just may work a second time. Only thing missing is a nasty Macedonian personality to blame. Let's create one!

Avni

pre 12 godina

I wonder what made them do this! I don't think they did it just for fun. I personally have nothing against this. Next time FYROMians will think twice before they attack other peoples religion. Times to attack Albanians and not be punished for that are thing of the past.

Monkeydonia

pre 12 godina

Only in Macedonia...What a clever way to stir up ethnic tensions, destabilize your country and poke fun at the religion of 1/3 of the Macedonian population.

Dibrani007

pre 12 godina

This article severly downplays the abuse and disrespect that FYROMians have demonstrated towards Albanians and Islam. This rascist festival was state sponsored with tax payer dollars. That means that Albanian tax dollars went towards a festival that made fun of them and their religion. Now that is sickening.

Dibrani007@yahoo.com

pre 12 godina

Time for NATO to bomb Skopje and free the suffering Albanians. Also a perfect time for a staged "massacre" of Albanians to trigger the propaganda assault on these evil and genocidal Macedonians. Hey, it just may work a second time. Only thing missing is a nasty Macedonian personality to blame. Let's create one!
(Michael Thompson, 31 January 2012 15:49)

Anyone out there that takes you seriously is a fool. What non-sense!

Gjorgje

pre 12 godina

This just shows that Albanians are not western or European. In the west we make fun of everybody. Have you ever seen South Park? Family Guy? We wouldn't have cared if the Albanians made fun of Christianity. Making fun of someone is one thing,actively destroying a church is completely irrational. Macedonia has a long tradition of "eye for an eye." There will be a burned mosque coming soon.

ben

pre 12 godina

One more important info I forgot to mention:

in 2009 an Albanian orthodox monastir close to Gostivar "manastiri mbi gurre" renamed by slavs "manasti bigorski" the library of which contained centuries of documetation of birth, deaths, books, original copies of the books of 19th cent Albanian poet Josif Bageri (born in that area), of the local Alabanian orthodox popoluation. Just few years ago Albanian monks were removed form that monestery and oplaa "accident" happened the entire library is lost now.

So someone sets monastirs in flame from idiotic revange, others for political/fashist goal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Jovan_Bigorski_Monastery

ivan

pre 12 godina

Since all of this violence is being praised by pro albaniansi feel its ok for me to ask them this. Do you really think that violence against Serbs is sustainable? Do you really think that when all this violence stirs up a reaction form the Serbs that you can handle that reaction? Do you really think that you stand a chance at winning this violence game? My friends if another war is what you are pushing for wtih these comments condoning these actions i really really hope you get what you wish for. Only this time i hope Nato doesnt come to your rescue. by 2017 kosovo will be in full control of Serbia, mark my words. The albanians are big time aiding the Serbian cause with these types of racism and descrimination

winston

pre 12 godina

As long as Albanians have backing from the West, they will behave badly. But, the West will not be in the Balkans forever. Times will change, and the US and the EU will be gone one day from Kosovo and Macedonia, along with their rent - a - soldiers. Wonder how the Albanians will behave then? We all know the day is coming. Did you Albaniacs just get a shiver?

wozers

pre 12 godina

seems like monkeydonia and his analbangian friends don't like being called out for what they actual are. they're showing up in numbers or the same few are repeated disagreeing with the posts that aren't coddling these ever so sensative firestarters. perhaps one day, when school is over and reality actually faces these poor souls they will grow up and learn that they were thinking like spoilt children, and were encouraging the same behaviour. this is not the behaviour of a european nation, nor is it the behaviour of a civilized nation. this is the behaviour of children without appropriate rearing. and this is the behaviour that monkeydonia and his analbangian friends support.

Mikolas

pre 12 godina

National sport of Albanien are burning churches and selling drugs since they are antitalented in sport.

Not even Arabic nationas acted like this when Denmark made jokes about Muhamed 4 years ago. Thats Western democracy you can make jokes about everything but albanians have no clue what joke is just a bunch of fanatics they have 0% europ mentality.

Macedonians burn no koran, just jokes. Whats should they do burns moske 3 yeras old ? only 3 moske 500 years old in Macedonia and all are build buy otomans and we respect Turks.

???

pre 12 godina

Am I to understand that some of the uber warriors on this site are advocating physical retaliation for verbal provocation? Shameful is all I can say. Perhaps a few more years in Kinder would have help you understand "sticks and stones might break my bones by words can never hurt me".

Mark

pre 12 godina

Unlucky FYROM LOL, Maybe you should stop feeding propoganda to your citizens teaching them to hate their neighbours shown by their disgraceful behaviour towards Albanians during that festival

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

"Otherwise, they would have been wiped out from the map."

is that why you advocate, that they be wiped off the map? p.s. i love the assertion that graves are routinely defiled, go ahead, point me to a news story today that serb graves have been defiled in Kosovo. i am betting my right arm that you can't.

As for this particular act, yes its stupid.

tirana boy

pre 12 godina

as albanian of Republic of Albania (not Kandahar Macedonia), i am ashamed. This people have nothing to do with albanians. May the people of this village build three new churches. Take the example of Albania. Muslims, orthodox, catholics and atheist live together and NEVER EVER something like this occured. Muslims and orthodox marry and have children here. However B92, stop calling Al-Qaeda exponents albanians... they are not human

Ivan

pre 12 godina

NO BURNED MOSQUES!!! that would be terrible. This is working perfectly. The albanians are walking right into a trap. THey are self destructing, let them be there own worst enemy. Serbs should continue the verbal provocation. Its always the person who swings first that gets blamed for the fight. Christian Amanpour wont be able to save them if they continue this terrible Public relations.

Skinner

pre 12 godina

How can these Macedonians be Hellinic/Slavic/Macedonian/Alexandrians all at the same time? Isn't there a conflict of historical fact there?

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

Betty Johnston

sadly B92 decided not to publish my comment (though it wasn't flamatory). i would really like to know about that superstition as I have never heard of it or for that matter experienced it (and i've been to funerals in Kosova. i'd really like to know who told you such a thing,.

as for grave yards, provide me with a link thsat serb grave yeards have been desecrated this year (after all, its a rutine event appatrently).

". Did you Albaniacs just get a shiver?"

if this isn't a clandestine threat then i dont know what is. the albanians in macedonia are macedonian citizens. as long as they enjoy equal rights they have no reason to agitate for anything. who knows maybe Kosova would still be a part of Serbia if you had looked at us the same

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

According to preliminary information, unidentified perpetrators caused fire which damaged considerable part of the site.
As Albanian I want to condemn the act. I hope that police identify the perpetrators. And I’m sure if they result non Albanian we will not discuss here more in B92 for this topic. But I’m also sure that even police don’t identify them they are just identified judged and punished from Serbs poster here for sure like “Albanian terrorist”

Bulgar Of Ohrid

pre 12 godina

Actually the village where the church got damaged is inhabited my Slavic Muslims - The torbeshi.. there are no Albanians living in this village, last night I read that in Tetovo another church was damaged in Mala Recica which is inhabited by Albanians...

It would be silly for Macedonians to react, no need to burn mosques or take out revenge.. of they do that then they are the same hence the sparks will become a fire..

Time to move away from the tit for tat attitude.. its 2012 not 1912 where %80 of the balkan people were ileterate..

The burning of churches could have been done by a 15 year old boy..

Its simple, if you ignore the extremists they will eventualy go back to bed.. hence no need to throw petrol on the fire..

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

Bulgar of Ohrid, thank you for your information, but you are too late. The Serbs here in B92 has decided that they are Albanian and nobody can change their mind now. I and you would read after weeks, months and years here in B92, how Albanians burn this church in Macedonia. I hope that Slav Macedonians doesn’t be infected from this phobia that Serbs has versus Albanian people. Phobia is not strength but weakness, is not superiority but inferiority.

Al Mualima from Kufaristan

pre 12 godina

Don't you observe the Sunnah, righteousness European Muslims? Your prophet clearly stated that you shouldn't punish anyone with 'Allah's punishment (fire)'**. Look it up. It's in Sahih al Bukhari.

For all non-muslims who are thinking ''WTF?'': yes you read it right, Allah's, not Satan's, punishment in Islam, is fire.
Yes, ponder on that for a while.

I am surprised by the fact that I keep being surprised by things that shouldn't surprise me at all, like this barbaric burning of the places of worship because someone somewhere wore some kind of mask, drew some cartoons or said something. It's ridiculous, barbaric and has no place in the 21st century ANYWHERE on this planet.

If FYR Macedonians think they can appease these kinds of people, then they are sorely mistaken. I hope I'm wrong, but things are just going to get worse from here on and I suspect another mini-Albania will be desired.
Shame.


**Muhammed said you can just kill the infidel, but burning is a no-no.

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 12 godina

In light of what 'Tirana boy' had to say I'll acknowledge that as a Muslim and as some might expect that I have an urge to associate with Albanian Muslims(preferably the Muslims who are pleasant to communicate with and someone I can personally relate to) but I can be the same towards Albanian non-Muslims who are decent and easy as well to relate to.

Although I don't know any Albanians personally I'll state that Albanian Muslims who I've chatted with don't appear to be religious zealots and/or fanatics.

PapaJohn

pre 12 godina

According to Beta news agency, ethnic Albanians in Macedonia "also reacted" to Macedonian fans, who, while supporting their national team in the European Handball Championship held in Serbia, chanted "anti-Albanian slogans". Well, what can one say about this, except be shocked. To burn a centuries old church with valuable icons, in response to someone wearing a mask that may have insulted Islam, and for chanting anti-Albanian slogans, is beyond comprehension. Should Orthodox believers burn a mosque in the Balkans every time an Albanian throws a stone at a non-Albanian? What the hell do you do with people like these? What does a religious structure have to do with fans at a handball game? Can some proud Albanian explain that to me? And do you believe Albanians are justified in destroying religious monuments of non-Islam worshippers?

Avni

pre 12 godina

I wonder what made them do this! I don't think they did it just for fun. I personally have nothing against this. Next time FYROMians will think twice before they attack other peoples religion. Times to attack Albanians and not be punished for that are thing of the past.

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

"Otherwise, they would have been wiped out from the map."

is that why you advocate, that they be wiped off the map? p.s. i love the assertion that graves are routinely defiled, go ahead, point me to a news story today that serb graves have been defiled in Kosovo. i am betting my right arm that you can't.

As for this particular act, yes its stupid.

Kenny

pre 12 godina

No matter what provocation there might have been, it doesnt justify the destruction of religious monuments. It doesnt achieve anything but more problems.

Michael Thompson

pre 12 godina

Time for NATO to bomb Skopje and free the suffering Albanians. Also a perfect time for a staged "massacre" of Albanians to trigger the propaganda assault on these evil and genocidal Macedonians. Hey, it just may work a second time. Only thing missing is a nasty Macedonian personality to blame. Let's create one!

slavic

pre 12 godina

here you can see how peacefull are albanians and what they want to do in Macedonia and for sure Kosovo. Ethnical cleansing - nothing less.

ben

pre 12 godina

albaninas in FYROM live the life of the cheated husband.

RYROM-ians at each occasion will

- provoke (the national enciclopedia of FROM portraying Albanians as wild montanairs, from a nationa which identity is disputed by all her neighbours with the only exception being exactly Alabanians),

- insult(game held in Serba FYROM vs Sweden while Serbs were insulting FYROMians these cowards were replyng with insults towards Albanians), discrminate (the Albanina language removed from the international Airport although 70% of users of the airport services are Albanian),

- falsification (the new 'arc de triumph' (which is already a joke) portrairs part of Albania as belonging to FYROM),

- some sort of carnival with jokes of putting a 1.5m long dildo on the islamic falg,

are just some of the "cheatings" that FYROMians did in the last 6 months. If one wants to keep record of all provocations for the past years one can write entire volums.

Yet Albanian parties in FYROM do not even leave the govt. They are super loyal to a fashist Govt of Grievski.

It is obvious to everyone that this marrige is not working. It is been tried for at least in the past 20 years, and during Yugo the racism in FYROm towards Albanians was going that far that only 3% of pupils finishing elementary school had right to go to high school. Or even a list of banned names i.e one could not name her doughter say Vlora, or the son Ilir.

And if you continua puting fire on a presure pan by keeping the valve closed one day excpect that it will explode, hopefully on the head of Alb reps in FYROMina govt for first.

This marriede does not work. Full stop.

ben

pre 12 godina

One more important info I forgot to mention:

in 2009 an Albanian orthodox monastir close to Gostivar "manastiri mbi gurre" renamed by slavs "manasti bigorski" the library of which contained centuries of documetation of birth, deaths, books, original copies of the books of 19th cent Albanian poet Josif Bageri (born in that area), of the local Alabanian orthodox popoluation. Just few years ago Albanian monks were removed form that monestery and oplaa "accident" happened the entire library is lost now.

So someone sets monastirs in flame from idiotic revange, others for political/fashist goal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Jovan_Bigorski_Monastery

winston

pre 12 godina

As long as Albanians have backing from the West, they will behave badly. But, the West will not be in the Balkans forever. Times will change, and the US and the EU will be gone one day from Kosovo and Macedonia, along with their rent - a - soldiers. Wonder how the Albanians will behave then? We all know the day is coming. Did you Albaniacs just get a shiver?

Gjorgje

pre 12 godina

This just shows that Albanians are not western or European. In the west we make fun of everybody. Have you ever seen South Park? Family Guy? We wouldn't have cared if the Albanians made fun of Christianity. Making fun of someone is one thing,actively destroying a church is completely irrational. Macedonia has a long tradition of "eye for an eye." There will be a burned mosque coming soon.

Dibrani007

pre 12 godina

This article severly downplays the abuse and disrespect that FYROMians have demonstrated towards Albanians and Islam. This rascist festival was state sponsored with tax payer dollars. That means that Albanian tax dollars went towards a festival that made fun of them and their religion. Now that is sickening.

Mikolas

pre 12 godina

National sport of Albanien are burning churches and selling drugs since they are antitalented in sport.

Not even Arabic nationas acted like this when Denmark made jokes about Muhamed 4 years ago. Thats Western democracy you can make jokes about everything but albanians have no clue what joke is just a bunch of fanatics they have 0% europ mentality.

Macedonians burn no koran, just jokes. Whats should they do burns moske 3 yeras old ? only 3 moske 500 years old in Macedonia and all are build buy otomans and we respect Turks.

Dibrani007@yahoo.com

pre 12 godina

Time for NATO to bomb Skopje and free the suffering Albanians. Also a perfect time for a staged "massacre" of Albanians to trigger the propaganda assault on these evil and genocidal Macedonians. Hey, it just may work a second time. Only thing missing is a nasty Macedonian personality to blame. Let's create one!
(Michael Thompson, 31 January 2012 15:49)

Anyone out there that takes you seriously is a fool. What non-sense!

ivan

pre 12 godina

A little impoverished insignificant country like Albania doing what they are. This never would have happened if they would not have received support from the evil empire. Otherwise, they would have been wiped out from the map.

Betty Johnston

pre 12 godina

Nikolle, your comment is a display of ignorance of the situation in Kosovo regarding the destruction of graveyards. I worked in Kosovo and can think of about 20 Serbian cemeteries that have been desecrated. The most obvious in South K. Mitrovica. While in Istok/Istog all the headstones were destroyed and then STOLEN for their granite! There's nothing there but a field.

One municipality in Western Kosovo installed a water reservoir right next to a Serbian cemetery and the bones of the dead started coming out of the ground. I took a family on a go-and-see visit in a village in Pec/Peja near the destroyed Serbian village of Belopolje and most of the graves were completely destroyed.

It is very important to note that the Islamic graveyard in the Serbian populated North of K. Mitrovica has NEVER been damaged and to this day remains respected.

Now for an anecdote to lighten the mood. I was driving by a funeral one day with one of my Albanian staff in Vucitrn/Vushtrri. The burials are only attended by men. All of the sudden at the end all the men started rushing away from the funeral. My staff member explained to me that there is a superstition in Albanian culture that the last person to leave the funeral will be the next person to die. It was like every man for himself at the end of it as they were all bolting out of there. I felt bad for the old man limping away as fast as he could.

???

pre 12 godina

Am I to understand that some of the uber warriors on this site are advocating physical retaliation for verbal provocation? Shameful is all I can say. Perhaps a few more years in Kinder would have help you understand "sticks and stones might break my bones by words can never hurt me".

wozers

pre 12 godina

seems like monkeydonia and his analbangian friends don't like being called out for what they actual are. they're showing up in numbers or the same few are repeated disagreeing with the posts that aren't coddling these ever so sensative firestarters. perhaps one day, when school is over and reality actually faces these poor souls they will grow up and learn that they were thinking like spoilt children, and were encouraging the same behaviour. this is not the behaviour of a european nation, nor is it the behaviour of a civilized nation. this is the behaviour of children without appropriate rearing. and this is the behaviour that monkeydonia and his analbangian friends support.

Nikolle

pre 12 godina

Betty Johnston

sadly B92 decided not to publish my comment (though it wasn't flamatory). i would really like to know about that superstition as I have never heard of it or for that matter experienced it (and i've been to funerals in Kosova. i'd really like to know who told you such a thing,.

as for grave yards, provide me with a link thsat serb grave yeards have been desecrated this year (after all, its a rutine event appatrently).

". Did you Albaniacs just get a shiver?"

if this isn't a clandestine threat then i dont know what is. the albanians in macedonia are macedonian citizens. as long as they enjoy equal rights they have no reason to agitate for anything. who knows maybe Kosova would still be a part of Serbia if you had looked at us the same

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

According to preliminary information, unidentified perpetrators caused fire which damaged considerable part of the site.
As Albanian I want to condemn the act. I hope that police identify the perpetrators. And I’m sure if they result non Albanian we will not discuss here more in B92 for this topic. But I’m also sure that even police don’t identify them they are just identified judged and punished from Serbs poster here for sure like “Albanian terrorist”

PEN

pre 12 godina

@Engelbert,

Indeed. They've been burning and desecrating churches in Kosovo for years now. Burial grounds are routinely defiled. But don't worry. The West keeps telling everybody how unreligious and secular the Albanians are. That's why Islamist Albanians are being apprehended in both Europe and America for terrorist offences. Why they wouldn't harm a fly now would they.

tirana boy

pre 12 godina

as albanian of Republic of Albania (not Kandahar Macedonia), i am ashamed. This people have nothing to do with albanians. May the people of this village build three new churches. Take the example of Albania. Muslims, orthodox, catholics and atheist live together and NEVER EVER something like this occured. Muslims and orthodox marry and have children here. However B92, stop calling Al-Qaeda exponents albanians... they are not human

Skinner

pre 12 godina

How can these Macedonians be Hellinic/Slavic/Macedonian/Alexandrians all at the same time? Isn't there a conflict of historical fact there?

Monkeydonia

pre 12 godina

Only in Macedonia...What a clever way to stir up ethnic tensions, destabilize your country and poke fun at the religion of 1/3 of the Macedonian population.

Ivan

pre 12 godina

NO BURNED MOSQUES!!! that would be terrible. This is working perfectly. The albanians are walking right into a trap. THey are self destructing, let them be there own worst enemy. Serbs should continue the verbal provocation. Its always the person who swings first that gets blamed for the fight. Christian Amanpour wont be able to save them if they continue this terrible Public relations.

Mark

pre 12 godina

Unlucky FYROM LOL, Maybe you should stop feeding propoganda to your citizens teaching them to hate their neighbours shown by their disgraceful behaviour towards Albanians during that festival

ivan

pre 12 godina

Since all of this violence is being praised by pro albaniansi feel its ok for me to ask them this. Do you really think that violence against Serbs is sustainable? Do you really think that when all this violence stirs up a reaction form the Serbs that you can handle that reaction? Do you really think that you stand a chance at winning this violence game? My friends if another war is what you are pushing for wtih these comments condoning these actions i really really hope you get what you wish for. Only this time i hope Nato doesnt come to your rescue. by 2017 kosovo will be in full control of Serbia, mark my words. The albanians are big time aiding the Serbian cause with these types of racism and descrimination

Al Mualima from Kufaristan

pre 12 godina

Don't you observe the Sunnah, righteousness European Muslims? Your prophet clearly stated that you shouldn't punish anyone with 'Allah's punishment (fire)'**. Look it up. It's in Sahih al Bukhari.

For all non-muslims who are thinking ''WTF?'': yes you read it right, Allah's, not Satan's, punishment in Islam, is fire.
Yes, ponder on that for a while.

I am surprised by the fact that I keep being surprised by things that shouldn't surprise me at all, like this barbaric burning of the places of worship because someone somewhere wore some kind of mask, drew some cartoons or said something. It's ridiculous, barbaric and has no place in the 21st century ANYWHERE on this planet.

If FYR Macedonians think they can appease these kinds of people, then they are sorely mistaken. I hope I'm wrong, but things are just going to get worse from here on and I suspect another mini-Albania will be desired.
Shame.


**Muhammed said you can just kill the infidel, but burning is a no-no.

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 12 godina

In light of what 'Tirana boy' had to say I'll acknowledge that as a Muslim and as some might expect that I have an urge to associate with Albanian Muslims(preferably the Muslims who are pleasant to communicate with and someone I can personally relate to) but I can be the same towards Albanian non-Muslims who are decent and easy as well to relate to.

Although I don't know any Albanians personally I'll state that Albanian Muslims who I've chatted with don't appear to be religious zealots and/or fanatics.

Bulgar Of Ohrid

pre 12 godina

Actually the village where the church got damaged is inhabited my Slavic Muslims - The torbeshi.. there are no Albanians living in this village, last night I read that in Tetovo another church was damaged in Mala Recica which is inhabited by Albanians...

It would be silly for Macedonians to react, no need to burn mosques or take out revenge.. of they do that then they are the same hence the sparks will become a fire..

Time to move away from the tit for tat attitude.. its 2012 not 1912 where %80 of the balkan people were ileterate..

The burning of churches could have been done by a 15 year old boy..

Its simple, if you ignore the extremists they will eventualy go back to bed.. hence no need to throw petrol on the fire..

dori tirana

pre 12 godina

Bulgar of Ohrid, thank you for your information, but you are too late. The Serbs here in B92 has decided that they are Albanian and nobody can change their mind now. I and you would read after weeks, months and years here in B92, how Albanians burn this church in Macedonia. I hope that Slav Macedonians doesn’t be infected from this phobia that Serbs has versus Albanian people. Phobia is not strength but weakness, is not superiority but inferiority.