Govt. report: KFOR, EULEX in Priština's service

I have heard stupid things before, but, the idea that KFOR and EULEX could be at the SERVICE of Prishtina has to be the best. Could someone please explain to me, in clear and concise terms, how Prishtina, which has an electorate of 1 million, the gov. of Kosovo, one of the poorest places in the world, rule over, KFOR (which is part of NATO, the largest military alliance in the world) and EULEX, part of the EU, one of the richest and most significant areas in the world? For the love of God, has paranoia reached such fever pitch that even the most basic rational is discarded? Go ahead, explain to me, how a wing of NATO and the EU could be controlled by the almighty gov. of Kosovo?
(adriatik, 28 October 2011, 14:05)

You're right. I agree with you, because it is the other way around. The Albanians in Kosovo are the ones who are subservient to NATO's interest and we all know negotiations over Kosovo are not between Serbs & Albs but rather Serbs and the West. The Albs simply do what they are told because they cannot stand on their own but need constant subsiding and aid.

The fact that despite numerous "donations" from Western tax payers (against the will or knowledge of the people, believe me) Kosovo is still the poorest corner in Europe. Could you imagine how Kosovo would look if and when the West needs to pull out because of economic problems of their own. Will Wall St., Berlin & London keep financing Pristina if there continues to be protests and riots in their cities? When they do need to pull out, Kosovo will look like a scarier place than it is now.

Remember, if Kosovo independence was a given fact..there would be no need to keep convincing Belgrade that it is. South Korea does not have to convince North Korea it is independent despite the fact they don't recognize each other. You need Serbia's approval. So either give Serbia the enclaves and stay out of North Kosovo or forever remain a pariah state until you are not even that anymore.

"Seven injured Serbs, six of whom had serious gunshot wounds, were hospitalized in Kosovska Mitrovica. Two of them underwent surgery," the report adds.

KFOR claims of using only tear gas and rubber bullets in self defense were proved false by a detailed report from doctors of the Kosovska Mitrovica hospital, which proves the wounded citizens were hit by live ammunition, the government asserted.'

And what did Tadic say about this, when he damn well knew that the NATO war criminals fired live ammunition at protesters? Basicaly nothing, but 'stay calm'. Did the defense minister SuNATOvac say anything? Of course not. This is why these yellow traitors must go, because they are not working for their citizens, but for outsiders.

If the Albanian Authorities in Pristina passed a Motion saying that they wish the European Union Mediated Talks to continue.

If they wish to be credible and if they wish to be believed that they do not want the Talks simply as a cover for their continued Violent Actions against the Non-Albanians of Kosovo, then they must not have Kosovo Albanian Customs Officers at the administrative crossings of Brnjak and Jarinje.

This is because when the European Union Mediated Talks began, one Condition that both the Albanians and the Serbs agreed to that during these Talks, there would be no mention of the Status of Kosovo, and that both sides agreed that they would not try in any way to change the situation on the ground by using any Unilateral steps.

If the Kosovo Albanians do not keep their word, then the International Community knows that they are scheming to commit acts of Violence against Innocent People.

The Albanians of Kosovo should show the World and the European Union that they are at least cunning enough to pretend to want these Talks to appear Genuine, by removing any Albanian Customs Officer, because it is Illegal to have them at the administrative crossings of Brnjak and Jarinje.

It is against UNSC Resolution 1244; it is against the Signed Agreement that allows of EULUX to function in Northern Kosovo, and it is against United Nations Secretary General Ban ki-Moon’s Six Point Plan for Kosovo, which was passed by the United Nations Security Council.

The Six Point Plan for Kosovo states that those two Gates should be different than the others, and they should Only Have International Customs presence, and the revenues collected at those two gates can only be used for the Municipalities in North of Kosovo.

Ari Gold

Great way to stay on subject!!! I like how people reason here "If Kosovo was really independent, they wouldn't need to convince Belgrade". If Kosovo was really part of Serbia, Belgrade wouldn't need to convince the West. BTW, Kosovo is a lot more its own country than a part of Serbia. You can travel with a Kosovar passport in say, UK, Germany, France, The US, Japan and wait for it...Greece believe it or not. Kosovo is also part of the IMF and World Bank. Anyways, those are differnet things. I'm glad you do not buy the report however
(adriatik, 28 October 2011 14:53)

No one is doubting that Belgrade does not control most of Kosovo and now because it has alienated the Serbs in the North it does not control any of it anymore. But its not as if the only 2 possibilities are a.)governed by Belgrade or b.)independent and sovereign country.

Kosovo is neither. Kosovo is a international protectorate inhabited by mostly Albanians, but governed by the West. The only say Albanians have in Kosovo is local municipal matters, and they do a terrible job at that too. Republika Srpska is more independent than Kosovo because despite it not having any recognition's as an independent state (nor does it need it) Serbs control EVERYTHING that has to do with RS. Every decision that is made in RS is made through Banja Luka.

The same cannot be said for Pristina where there is multiple international missions at the expense of Western tax payers trying to teach organ snatchers how to be statesmen...impossible task.

I have heard stupid things before, but, the idea that KFOR and EULEX could be at the SERVICE of Prishtina has to be the best. Could someone please explain to me, in clear and concise terms, how Prishtina, which has an electorate of 1 million, the gov. of Kosovo, one of the poorest places in the world, rule over, KFOR (which is part of NATO, the largest military alliance in the world) and EULEX, part of the EU, one of the richest and most significant areas in the world? For the love of God, has paranoia reached such fever pitch that even the most basic rational is discarded? Go ahead, explain to me, how a wing of NATO and the EU could be controlled by the almighty gov. of Kosovo?

Hold on serbia don`t give them all !

Ari Gold

Great way to stay on subject!!! I like how people reason here "If Kosovo was really independent, they wouldn't need to convince Belgrade". If Kosovo was really part of Serbia, Belgrade wouldn't need to convince the West. BTW, Kosovo is a lot more its own country than a part of Serbia. You can travel with a Kosovar passport in say, UK, Germany, France, The US, Japan and wait for it...Greece believe it or not. Kosovo is also part of the IMF and World Bank. Anyways, those are differnet things. I'm glad you do not buy the report however

That report is right. By trying to put Pristina in charge of the checkpoints between Kosovo and the rest of Serbia, they could be only advancing the cause of Albanian Kosovo nationalists. Borders are the issue. Cadasters are a part of this. Which is Serbian territory and which is Albanian? This goes all the way down to parcels of property which Albanians have robbed from Serbs. Property ownership is where Albanian nationalists in Kosovo have the weakest arguments. They don't really own anything, they just shouldered their way into the province and reproduced at a pace to overwhelm the Serbs.

My fellow serbs sometimes overdramatize certain things. One has to look at it objectively. KFOR needs to secure the whole of Kosovo (according to the 6 point plan) regardless of the fact that there are divisions in society between serbs and albanians. If they were truly bias against serbs there wouldn't be any serbs left. Pristina is not itsef incharge of albanian dominated areas, KFOR/EULEX are. To some exctent one could say that neither serbs nor albanians are incharge of anything in Kosovo, foreigners are. But there needs to be an agreement on some issues not to cause problems in the future. Like having albanian customs who stand between serbs in Serbia and serbs in Kosovo. Either Serbia agreed to this or EULEX/KFOR is not telling the truth. A small problem it may seem but one that could definately spiral out of control.

adriatic-ask Ahtisaari, ask Buhler, ask Kouchner.

Well, how onesided and in big parts false and incomplete is this report. But nothing else can be expected from Belgrade. They have tried to change history in the past, and are completly unable to see a relastic picture of what is happening in Kosovo. Certainly not a good sign to become a part of the EU. You are not ready yet, and it will take u a long, long time to really learn what democracy means. All the reactions to the Kosovo conflict published on this web site clearly show that the serbian people live in a nationalistic dreamworld, unable to see the reality when they should realize that nobody in Kosovo wants them back. It would be a another civil war, well another Balkan war, because the West would not let u do that, if u ever try to attempt that.

""The problem was still the presence of Kosovo customs and police officers and the support, in the sense of transport, they received from EULEX," the document reads"

I'm perplexed... ! Why is it a problem if somebody is implementing UNMIK regulation nr. 3 of 1999 to collect customs taxes for goods entering Kosovo ? I think Serbia's Government needs a reminder that 1244 is still in force and UNMIK regulations are The Law in Kosovo.

Property ownership is where Albanian nationalists in Kosovo have the weakest arguments. They don't really own anything, they just shouldered their way into the province and reproduced at a pace to overwhelm the Serbs.
(Paul, 28 October 2011 22:17)

I apologize for my ignorance, but regarding the land that Serbs own in Kosovo, do they have the deeds from whoever owned that land before Serbs arrived X thousand years ago (you are free to give a value to X - I'm fine with whatever number you come up with) ?

its about time that Serbs are being recognized in regards to horrible crimes that are being done to them.. Muslims and Croats have been doing this for years and its been getting out to the western countries and so forth
btw tadic is a horrible human and while many Serbs may discredit and cruse upon djukanovic, i agree about the anger towards him but he and tadic both have the same motto but tadic seems to put way more effort in receiving less results, ironic isn't it..

The time has come to test KFOR neutrality. Serbs in northern Kosovo need to set up a customs office also in the North but facing the Albanian side. This way both Serbs can man their own customs checkpoints. Anyone from Eulex attempting to cross those checkpoints will need to have their passports stamped with Serbian customs stamp. If KFOR is truly status neutral this should not be a problem. Those custom offices where they stand now are illegal anyways according to the Serbian constitution so why not create our own. I think this will be a nice solution to the impasse wink wink.

(Ari Gold)
Remember, you can bargain only in Pristina flea market, look like you wanted a state in the state is nowhere it can not be, you definitely lose, remember.

Remember, if Kosovo independence was a given fact..there would be no need to keep convincing Belgrade that it is.
(Ari Gold, 28 October 2011 14:26)

Dude, I'm seeing that the delusion has no limits...

So, in this exercise in delusion, Belgrade is trying to convince itself that others are trying to convince Belgrade that Kosovo is independent... Probably after some time we will hear Belgrade pleading others to convince Belgrade that Kosovo is independent.

Now are borders still appropriate in the year 2011? A political and economic union does not need them. Just like Brussels is the capital of Europen Union, Ankara should be the center of a new union reaching from Belgrade to Turkmenistan & Kasachstan.

Hey, dont use my name.

All the reactions to the Kosovo conflict published on this web site clearly show that the serbian people live in a nationalistic dreamworld, unable to see the reality when they should realize that nobody in Kosovo wants them back.
(bill, 29 October 2011 13:16)

Kosovo Serba want them back.

"All the reactions to the Kosovo conflict published on this web site clearly show that the serbian people live in a nationalistic dreamworld, unable to see the reality when they should realize that nobody in Kosovo wants them back. "
(bill, 29 October 2011 13:16)

And that's exactly the problem when you face the reality in the 'multiethnic, democratic Kosovo' - the Albanian majority doesn't want the Serbs living there (back), and so they are persecuted, harassed and killed.

I have heard stupid things before, but, the idea that KFOR and EULEX could be at the SERVICE of Prishtina has to be the best. Could someone please explain to me, in clear and concise terms, how Prishtina, which has an electorate of 1 million, the gov. of Kosovo, one of the poorest places in the world, rule over, KFOR (which is part of NATO, the largest military alliance in the world) and EULEX, part of the EU, one of the richest and most significant areas in the world? For the love of God, has paranoia reached such fever pitch that even the most basic rational is discarded? Go ahead, explain to me, how a wing of NATO and the EU could be controlled by the almighty gov. of Kosovo?

Ari Gold

Great way to stay on subject!!! I like how people reason here "If Kosovo was really independent, they wouldn't need to convince Belgrade". If Kosovo was really part of Serbia, Belgrade wouldn't need to convince the West. BTW, Kosovo is a lot more its own country than a part of Serbia. You can travel with a Kosovar passport in say, UK, Germany, France, The US, Japan and wait for it...Greece believe it or not. Kosovo is also part of the IMF and World Bank. Anyways, those are differnet things. I'm glad you do not buy the report however

I have heard stupid things before, but, the idea that KFOR and EULEX could be at the SERVICE of Prishtina has to be the best. Could someone please explain to me, in clear and concise terms, how Prishtina, which has an electorate of 1 million, the gov. of Kosovo, one of the poorest places in the world, rule over, KFOR (which is part of NATO, the largest military alliance in the world) and EULEX, part of the EU, one of the richest and most significant areas in the world? For the love of God, has paranoia reached such fever pitch that even the most basic rational is discarded? Go ahead, explain to me, how a wing of NATO and the EU could be controlled by the almighty gov. of Kosovo?
(adriatik, 28 October 2011, 14:05)

You're right. I agree with you, because it is the other way around. The Albanians in Kosovo are the ones who are subservient to NATO's interest and we all know negotiations over Kosovo are not between Serbs & Albs but rather Serbs and the West. The Albs simply do what they are told because they cannot stand on their own but need constant subsiding and aid.

The fact that despite numerous "donations" from Western tax payers (against the will or knowledge of the people, believe me) Kosovo is still the poorest corner in Europe. Could you imagine how Kosovo would look if and when the West needs to pull out because of economic problems of their own. Will Wall St., Berlin & London keep financing Pristina if there continues to be protests and riots in their cities? When they do need to pull out, Kosovo will look like a scarier place than it is now.

Remember, if Kosovo independence was a given fact..there would be no need to keep convincing Belgrade that it is. South Korea does not have to convince North Korea it is independent despite the fact they don't recognize each other. You need Serbia's approval. So either give Serbia the enclaves and stay out of North Kosovo or forever remain a pariah state until you are not even that anymore.

Ari Gold

Great way to stay on subject!!! I like how people reason here "If Kosovo was really independent, they wouldn't need to convince Belgrade". If Kosovo was really part of Serbia, Belgrade wouldn't need to convince the West. BTW, Kosovo is a lot more its own country than a part of Serbia. You can travel with a Kosovar passport in say, UK, Germany, France, The US, Japan and wait for it...Greece believe it or not. Kosovo is also part of the IMF and World Bank. Anyways, those are differnet things. I'm glad you do not buy the report however
(adriatik, 28 October 2011 14:53)

No one is doubting that Belgrade does not control most of Kosovo and now because it has alienated the Serbs in the North it does not control any of it anymore. But its not as if the only 2 possibilities are a.)governed by Belgrade or b.)independent and sovereign country.

Kosovo is neither. Kosovo is a international protectorate inhabited by mostly Albanians, but governed by the West. The only say Albanians have in Kosovo is local municipal matters, and they do a terrible job at that too. Republika Srpska is more independent than Kosovo because despite it not having any recognition's as an independent state (nor does it need it) Serbs control EVERYTHING that has to do with RS. Every decision that is made in RS is made through Banja Luka.

The same cannot be said for Pristina where there is multiple international missions at the expense of Western tax payers trying to teach organ snatchers how to be statesmen...impossible task.

My fellow serbs sometimes overdramatize certain things. One has to look at it objectively. KFOR needs to secure the whole of Kosovo (according to the 6 point plan) regardless of the fact that there are divisions in society between serbs and albanians. If they were truly bias against serbs there wouldn't be any serbs left. Pristina is not itsef incharge of albanian dominated areas, KFOR/EULEX are. To some exctent one could say that neither serbs nor albanians are incharge of anything in Kosovo, foreigners are. But there needs to be an agreement on some issues not to cause problems in the future. Like having albanian customs who stand between serbs in Serbia and serbs in Kosovo. Either Serbia agreed to this or EULEX/KFOR is not telling the truth. A small problem it may seem but one that could definately spiral out of control.

If the Albanian Authorities in Pristina passed a Motion saying that they wish the European Union Mediated Talks to continue.

If they wish to be credible and if they wish to be believed that they do not want the Talks simply as a cover for their continued Violent Actions against the Non-Albanians of Kosovo, then they must not have Kosovo Albanian Customs Officers at the administrative crossings of Brnjak and Jarinje.

This is because when the European Union Mediated Talks began, one Condition that both the Albanians and the Serbs agreed to that during these Talks, there would be no mention of the Status of Kosovo, and that both sides agreed that they would not try in any way to change the situation on the ground by using any Unilateral steps.

If the Kosovo Albanians do not keep their word, then the International Community knows that they are scheming to commit acts of Violence against Innocent People.

The Albanians of Kosovo should show the World and the European Union that they are at least cunning enough to pretend to want these Talks to appear Genuine, by removing any Albanian Customs Officer, because it is Illegal to have them at the administrative crossings of Brnjak and Jarinje.

It is against UNSC Resolution 1244; it is against the Signed Agreement that allows of EULUX to function in Northern Kosovo, and it is against United Nations Secretary General Ban ki-Moon’s Six Point Plan for Kosovo, which was passed by the United Nations Security Council.

The Six Point Plan for Kosovo states that those two Gates should be different than the others, and they should Only Have International Customs presence, and the revenues collected at those two gates can only be used for the Municipalities in North of Kosovo.

That report is right. By trying to put Pristina in charge of the checkpoints between Kosovo and the rest of Serbia, they could be only advancing the cause of Albanian Kosovo nationalists. Borders are the issue. Cadasters are a part of this. Which is Serbian territory and which is Albanian? This goes all the way down to parcels of property which Albanians have robbed from Serbs. Property ownership is where Albanian nationalists in Kosovo have the weakest arguments. They don't really own anything, they just shouldered their way into the province and reproduced at a pace to overwhelm the Serbs.

adriatic-ask Ahtisaari, ask Buhler, ask Kouchner.

"Seven injured Serbs, six of whom had serious gunshot wounds, were hospitalized in Kosovska Mitrovica. Two of them underwent surgery," the report adds.

KFOR claims of using only tear gas and rubber bullets in self defense were proved false by a detailed report from doctors of the Kosovska Mitrovica hospital, which proves the wounded citizens were hit by live ammunition, the government asserted.'

And what did Tadic say about this, when he damn well knew that the NATO war criminals fired live ammunition at protesters? Basicaly nothing, but 'stay calm'. Did the defense minister SuNATOvac say anything? Of course not. This is why these yellow traitors must go, because they are not working for their citizens, but for outsiders.

Hold on serbia don`t give them all !

The time has come to test KFOR neutrality. Serbs in northern Kosovo need to set up a customs office also in the North but facing the Albanian side. This way both Serbs can man their own customs checkpoints. Anyone from Eulex attempting to cross those checkpoints will need to have their passports stamped with Serbian customs stamp. If KFOR is truly status neutral this should not be a problem. Those custom offices where they stand now are illegal anyways according to the Serbian constitution so why not create our own. I think this will be a nice solution to the impasse wink wink.

""The problem was still the presence of Kosovo customs and police officers and the support, in the sense of transport, they received from EULEX," the document reads"

I'm perplexed... ! Why is it a problem if somebody is implementing UNMIK regulation nr. 3 of 1999 to collect customs taxes for goods entering Kosovo ? I think Serbia's Government needs a reminder that 1244 is still in force and UNMIK regulations are The Law in Kosovo.

Remember, if Kosovo independence was a given fact..there would be no need to keep convincing Belgrade that it is.
(Ari Gold, 28 October 2011 14:26)

Dude, I'm seeing that the delusion has no limits...

So, in this exercise in delusion, Belgrade is trying to convince itself that others are trying to convince Belgrade that Kosovo is independent... Probably after some time we will hear Belgrade pleading others to convince Belgrade that Kosovo is independent.

Property ownership is where Albanian nationalists in Kosovo have the weakest arguments. They don't really own anything, they just shouldered their way into the province and reproduced at a pace to overwhelm the Serbs.
(Paul, 28 October 2011 22:17)

I apologize for my ignorance, but regarding the land that Serbs own in Kosovo, do they have the deeds from whoever owned that land before Serbs arrived X thousand years ago (you are free to give a value to X - I'm fine with whatever number you come up with) ?

Now are borders still appropriate in the year 2011? A political and economic union does not need them. Just like Brussels is the capital of Europen Union, Ankara should be the center of a new union reaching from Belgrade to Turkmenistan & Kasachstan.

Well, how onesided and in big parts false and incomplete is this report. But nothing else can be expected from Belgrade. They have tried to change history in the past, and are completly unable to see a relastic picture of what is happening in Kosovo. Certainly not a good sign to become a part of the EU. You are not ready yet, and it will take u a long, long time to really learn what democracy means. All the reactions to the Kosovo conflict published on this web site clearly show that the serbian people live in a nationalistic dreamworld, unable to see the reality when they should realize that nobody in Kosovo wants them back. It would be a another civil war, well another Balkan war, because the West would not let u do that, if u ever try to attempt that.

(Ari Gold)
Remember, you can bargain only in Pristina flea market, look like you wanted a state in the state is nowhere it can not be, you definitely lose, remember.

its about time that Serbs are being recognized in regards to horrible crimes that are being done to them.. Muslims and Croats have been doing this for years and its been getting out to the western countries and so forth
btw tadic is a horrible human and while many Serbs may discredit and cruse upon djukanovic, i agree about the anger towards him but he and tadic both have the same motto but tadic seems to put way more effort in receiving less results, ironic isn't it..

Hey, dont use my name.

All the reactions to the Kosovo conflict published on this web site clearly show that the serbian people live in a nationalistic dreamworld, unable to see the reality when they should realize that nobody in Kosovo wants them back.
(bill, 29 October 2011 13:16)

Kosovo Serba want them back.

"All the reactions to the Kosovo conflict published on this web site clearly show that the serbian people live in a nationalistic dreamworld, unable to see the reality when they should realize that nobody in Kosovo wants them back. "
(bill, 29 October 2011 13:16)

And that's exactly the problem when you face the reality in the 'multiethnic, democratic Kosovo' - the Albanian majority doesn't want the Serbs living there (back), and so they are persecuted, harassed and killed.