Talks about north “out of question”

You will talk about whatever your masters tell you to talk about. If you don't just remember what happens to disobedient puppets.
Kosovo is NOT independent. If you can't even play soccer because FIFA says you are not independent then what makes you think you are?
Try sending an Olympic team somewhere.
UN does not say you are independent. Majority of the world does not say you are independent. So what if the US says it. Who made them the rulers of the world? They are about to find out just how much they rule when they wake up and realize who they owe hundreds of billions to.

“We talked about energy and telecommunications on Monday. Kosovo’s energy and telecommunications system cannot be normalized due to Serbia’s interference,” Tahiri stressed.
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If you are independent then why use Serbia's international country code (+381)? Why don't you go and get your own? Oh, that's right, these codes are reserved for truly independent countries that not even the world's most "powerful" nations can change. Back to reality my friends and time to work out a realistic compromise, at least for the sake of those people living in the province.

Also, it's good that the North is off the agenda. That part is already firmly under Serbian authority.

She is only stating what the USA has instructed.

Screw the negotiations and quickly get out of there with some dignity.

Serbia should just keep on doing what it's been doing for the last couple of years. There is plenty of time left in this world.

Let the Kosovarians wallow in their world of crime, poverty and political corruption.

All the money in the world wouldn't be enough to help the Kosovo Albanians.

By all means don't talk about the north ..... and let the de facto partition continue ..... suits the K-Serbs there fine I should think!

Demi!

Albanians have been in europe for a so called 10,000 years.

Still after 10,000 years Albanians lack an economy, culture and most of all an identity.

What will make the next 10,000 years different?

Sorry to be bearer of bad news, but i just don't see anything positive, except for the free handouts of money that you currently live on.

All the money in the world wouldn't be enough to help the Kosovo Albanians.
(Another Canadian Serb, 31 March 2011 14:37)


This is the smallest of many reasons why Kosovo will never be occupyed by Serbia again. This guy above showes what serbs think of albanians.


Reamamber it is Serbia who is the looser. Kosovo will get richer with time and albanians will make it very well. Nothing for the serbs to worry about. You worried enough in 1998-99!!

"Also, it's good that the North is off the agenda. That part is already firmly under Serbian authority." (Zoran)

-- Exactly. I don't know why they keep talking about something they have no bargaining leverage over. In actuality, these talks are less about Serbs and Albanians talking to each other than they are about Serbs and Albanians petitioning the EU moderators for what policy is the most effective for ensuring "stability", which is ultimately what the international powers want underneath the rhetoric of supporting Kosovo's sovereignty. Pristina could have gained a considerable degree of leverage if it mapped out a strategy for integrating a fully autonomous north within Kosovo. While Mitrovica would have rejected it, it would have shown the Albanians are actually serious about solving this issue and showing their practicality towards the EU. But refusing to even so much as consider being flexible over an area they covet but don't control shows me they're really unprepared for these negotiations; particularly when the north, at the absolute least, will achieve some form of significant autonomy in the end anyway.

Demi!

Albanians have been in europe for a so called 10,000 years.

Still after 10,000 years Albanians lack an economy, culture and most of all an identity.

What will make the next 10,000 years different?

Sorry to be bearer of bad news, but i just don't see anything positive, except for the free handouts of money that you currently live on.
(Another Canadian Serb, 31 March 2011 15:44)

Yes Serbia Is economical power house even before Christ was born you here about Serbs = to Parisians, Lebanese as great merchants lol.

Kosovo is far from economical power house but Kosovo is in better shape than having to live under Serbian rule, If being under Sebia 150Euro salary was so attractive dont you think people would move to Serbia or ask for Serbia to come and rule Kosovo.

I just do not understand why you care that K-Albaninas have or dont have Economy Serbs get special Salary from Serbia and many get paid from Kosovo budget as well trust me, and Serbs in North would like this status since if they go under Serbia they will not be any use to gov any longer they will have no special pay.

Lets hope there is a solution for north portion of Kosovo and K-Serbs go under Serbia and no more dealing with each other till both sides grow up and join EU.

Canadian Serb why not return home to Serbia since its such a power house.

All the money in the world wouldn't be enough to help the Kosovo Albanians.
(Another Canadian Serb, 31 March 2011 14:37)

All the smart people in the world wouldn't be enough to make Serbs understand that Kosovo is independent.

well, she´s not really speaking about two different countries, is she? us-american influence is clearly visible, but that makes no difference, Serbia will prevail, it´s definitely only a question of time.

...and then that lady will see what is actually really " out of question "

let´s just see what future brings!

-- Exactly. I don't know why they keep talking about something they have no bargaining leverage over. In actuality, these talks are less about Serbs and Albanians talking to each other than they are about Serbs and Albanians petitioning the EU moderators for what policy is the most effective for ensuring "stability", which is ultimately what the international powers want underneath the rhetoric of supporting Kosovo's sovereignty. Pristina could have gained a considerable degree of leverage if it mapped out a strategy for integrating a fully autonomous north within Kosovo. While Mitrovica would have rejected it, it would have shown the Albanians are actually serious about solving this issue and showing their practicality towards the EU. But refusing to even so much as consider being flexible over an area they covet but don't control shows me they're really unprepared for these negotiations; particularly when the north, at the absolute least, will achieve some form of significant autonomy in the end anyway.
(Mike, 31 March 2011 17:35)
Funny you should say that. I have always said that about Serbia and Kosovo. If Serbia had shown any serious intent to integrate the "people" of Kosovo back into Serbia, they may have received some western support. But there has never been a second of discussion in Serbia of doing that until negotiations were over. The phrase "more than autonomy less that independence" (whatever that means) was never mentioned during the negotiations, it was coined after the UN negotiators declared that future negotiations were futile. Everything Serbia did was to make claims to the land and preferably without the people.
Now will the Pristina govt follow suit? Hopefully, someone will bring this to light. However, the current forum is not where such discussions should take place. It should be mainly a forum between Pristina and the poeple living in the north, with input from Serbia.

(pss, 31 March 2011 20:55)

You mean it finally dawned on you that Serbia only talks about the land without mentioning the people. Give it a little more thought and you will come up with the right answer.

No one cares what Pristina likes or dislikes as these talks are to paper over a back flip by the west as they are no longer able to support the many hands asking for money to feed themselves, but hey if you have found a source of income that does not involve anyone else then your Kosovo is independent otherwise you do as you are told.

peggy...... I know you didn't just state that FIFA membership defines statehood or sovereignty of a political region. That would be an argument of a five year old.
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No, FIFA does not decide who is a country and who is not just like Olympic committee doesn't and yet you still can't join.
That's all I am saying. Even these two organisations can ban you because you are NOT a country.
They only let countries in. Get it now.
I don't know what the future brings and I can't tell you if you will ever have a football team at all let alone qualify to play against anyone but for now you are out. So until you are actually a country and your passports can get you in to other countries, please stop with the rubbish. You are only embarrassing yourselves.

instead of thinking about really important things, they are dreaming of a soccerteam....
that´s the best example of what brainwashing can actually achieve.

kids, you are not a country, no matter what others may tell you. it´s only a question of time, until you finally realize it. but that will take time, unfortunately.
time that you are wasting.

peggy...... I know you didn't just state that FIFA membership defines statehood or sovereignty of a political region. That would be an argument of a five year old.

Let me school you here really quickly....the biggest opponent to membership in FIFA is its president Blatter. This person has outright stated that Kosovo cannot join. Now who is to say what the next president says in the future...or a few after him. Sooner or later FFK (Federata Futbollistike e Kosoves) will join FIFA.

Another point, FIFA does not constitute sovereignty or statehood...why? Palestine is a member of FIFA and yet it is not a sovereign state, or a UN member. Think about this one.

Last point, you mentioned that number-wise the "majority of the world" (referring to UN members) don't recognize Kosovo. So what? UN membership does not constitute statehood. Let's look back at Palestine example: Palestine is recognized by over 100+ of 192 UN members and still to this day is NOT sovereign country.

SOURCES:

FIFA MEMBER LIST: http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federation/associations.html
Foreign Relations of the State of Palestine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Palestine


End note: did you know that FIFA has 208 country codes, one of them being for Republic of China aka Taiwan? UN organization has only 192 members.



Thanks,

You mean it finally dawned on you that Serbia only talks about the land without mentioning the people. Give it a little more thought and you will come up with the right answer.

No one cares what Pristina likes or dislikes as these talks are to paper over a back flip by the west as they are no longer able to support the many hands asking for money to feed themselves, but hey if you have found a source of income that does not involve anyone else then your Kosovo is independent otherwise you do as you are told.
(sj, 1 April 2011 03:48)
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No I realized that shortly after arriving in Kosovo in 2006. My original thoughts were then that reintegration of Kosovo into Serbia was the best option. You see I arrived with an open mind. It did not take me very long at all to realize that was not even a remote possibility. People like yourself have made a profound impact on my way of thinking.
Just like the US and EU found out there were 2 options for Kosovo 1. Forever be a UN protectorate, 2. Help Kosovo become independent.

Even if Serbia were to regain control over Kosovo they do not have the financial resources to rebuild what they destroyed nor to maintain it. So it would actually cost the west more to return it to Serbia because not only would they have to fund Kosovo but also the amount that would be skimmed from the top in Belgrade.

''Still after 10,000 years Albanians lack an economy, culture and most of all an identity. ''

What do you mean by economy anyway, today you are rich next day you get poor, economy means nothing...also sebia, albania, fyrom, montenegro, balkan countries in general apart slovenia and greece etc are relatively close in ters of economy progress, so please try to be realistic, Serbia does not have the highest standart in balkans and former yugoslav countries anyway, slovenia and greece are the only balkan countries which have the economies comparable with western countries...yet, you can't blame Albanians for being poor, thanks to ''socialism and brootherhood with yugoslavs'' idea of the ww2 we ended up a communist state, in 1943-44 period Albania started to flourish,because our territory doubled, in less than 1 year, with the help of germans, schools and administration was established everywhere, even in the most remote villages...communists ruined everything. If had never come with the great idea of ''marxism'' we would never be at this stage. Also, we lack territory...unless we double our territory, we will never prosper. Albania is full of montains, it is beutiful, but in terms of infratructure, we surely need expensive investments...that's why doubling the territory would solve our problems.

culture and identity? we base our identity on blood, language we speak, the land we inherited, not on religions of the book...you see, reading books is good, but not the wrong ones.

I don't know what the future brings and I can't tell you if you will ever have a football team at all let alone qualify to play against anyone but for now you are out. So until you are actually a country and your passports can get you in to other countries, please stop with the rubbish. You are only embarrassing yourselves.
(Peggy, 1 April 2011 11:08)
Football team or no? The only chance for Kosovo to have a football team is through independence, they cannot have a Kosovo team as part of Serbia. So the course they are taking is their ONLY hope for a team.
Passports? The Kosovo passport is already accepted at probably any country they would ever want or need to go. It is even accepted in some countries that have not yet formally recognized them.

No I realized that shortly after arriving in Kosovo in 2006. My original thoughts were then that reintegration of Kosovo into Serbia was the best option. You see I arrived with an open mind. It did not take me very long at all to realize that was not even a remote possibility. People like yourself have made a profound impact on my way of thinking.
Just like the US and EU found out there were 2 options for Kosovo 1. Forever be a UN protectorate, 2. Help Kosovo become independent.

Even if Serbia were to regain control over Kosovo they do not have the financial resources to rebuild what they destroyed nor to maintain it. So it would actually cost the west more to return it to Serbia because not only would they have to fund Kosovo but also the amount that would be skimmed from the top in Belgrade.
(pss, 1 April 2011 14:04)

I would like to add to your comment above that not only would they have monetary issue but you will have a mass exudes of Albanian population (old, woman, children) for shores of EU countries.

The distrust of Serbian hand in Albanian psyche is so vivid that they will result to war. No one in the world wants war except few brain dead nationalists.

Serbs mite want it as a protectorate since there will always be that chance that winds are right and they get territory under their control without the population. But who will keep the K-Albaninas to take the streets again and repeat 2004 which was horrible event and pushed further both populations (and gave Serbs some ammunition to complain, oh its not just us).

From my point of view North is a big issue but that is in last stages type of discussion.

(pss, 1 April 2011 14:04)

Kosovo is costing the west an arm and a leg, so to speak, so why would they want to continue to pour money into a bottomless pit forever? As I have said before communism is dead and we now have market forces which dictate our everyday lives. I don’t personally agree, but we have to live in a dog-eat-dog world, that’s capitalism.
Market forces demand that you drop anything that does not return an income on investment and the maintenance of a separate Kosovo is unsustainable in any currency or language. It is cheaper for the west to give a token amount to Serbia and say here it is and you look after it and walk away than to keep this entity alive – it was only US pride that brought it to this level, just like the US refusal to admit it has lost two wars and now wants to wage a third in Libya.
I have dealt with these people and I know the way think – it’s the same arrogance that would attend a meeting in Asia and only bring one person that speaks the local language or only have 4 people amongst 1000 employees who speak Arabic in their embassy in Bagdad. Pure and utter arrogance.
Look at the way the EU wants the former Yugoslav states, now separate countries, to work together. The logic is that they can cooperate and earn income - why is this happening? Money is the answer. The EU is running out very fast. Who is the beneficiary in all of this cooperation? Belgrade that’s who. You know where I stand in politics, but I have to acknowledge some of the far right Croatian extremists when they say their government has sold them out to the Serbs. It has done exactly that because Croatia cannot survive on tourism alone and the EU has drastically reduced aid. Its either live with Serbia or sink.
I repeat if Kosovo has a source of income that can sustain itself then you have independence, but if not then the west will sell the Albanians out and the process of reintegration will take place in the next 5 to ten years maximum.
The west does not care what the Albanians think. Reality is brutal; you have been of use before but what have you done recently for me? Nothing; then see you later.

(Engineer, 1 April 2011 17:13)

This exodus of Albanians; where do you think they will go? The EU? No my friend they will not. The EU will close its doors and say no more visas and all refugees are to be returned. The EU wants to return Albanian refugees of the 1990 war not take on more.
There is something in the Albanians mentality that makes you think you are special you can pack up bags and leave in droves to where ever you like or that you could take up arms at the drop of a hat and create havoc. Let me be the rude awakening for you; try it and see where you end up – in Albania living in tents in the middle of winter freezing to death with the west turning their heads ignoring the cries for help. This time it will be the west that does this to you.
The Albanians behaved badly in 2004 because they were allowed to do so not because they had military or political strength – they were much like the Kurds that followed the US into Bagdad and the US allowed them to steal everything in sight including the museum. Once again, the Albanians were allowed to rampage through Kosovo.
It is most frustrating when talking to Albanians about Kosovo. This small piece of land in their eyes is richer than Saudi Arabia and Kuwait together and that there is a pot of gold just around the corner. Serbia can maintain the status quo where no industry opens its doors and the Albanian population sits and rots there, but ask the EU will they be able to keep funding Kosovo for another 10 years. This is not a Serb hating Albanians talking here, its reality. I have seen the financial books for the EU and US and its not a pretty picture at all.
I accept that there is distrust of Serbs and therefore ask you that you say that no Albanian will ever go to Serbia proper to look for work at any stage. If I was mistreated as the Albanians claim I would never cross into Albania.
I await your response.

This exodus of Albanians; where do you think they will go? The EU? No my friend they will not. The EU will close its doors and say no more visas and all refugees are to be returned. The EU wants to return Albanian refugees of the 1990 war not take on more.
There is something in the Albanians mentality that makes you think you are special you can pack up bags and leave in droves to where ever you like or that you could take up arms at the drop of a hat and create havoc. Let me be the rude awakening for you; try it and see where you end up – in Albania living in tents in the middle of winter freezing to death with the west turning their heads ignoring the cries for help. This time it will be the west that does this to you.
The Albanians behaved badly in 2004 because they were allowed to do so not because they had military or political strength – they were much like the Kurds that followed the US into Bagdad and the US allowed them to steal everything in sight including the museum. Once again, the Albanians were allowed to rampage through Kosovo.
It is most frustrating when talking to Albanians about Kosovo. This small piece of land in their eyes is richer than Saudi Arabia and Kuwait together and that there is a pot of gold just around the corner. Serbia can maintain the status quo where no industry opens its doors and the Albanian population sits and rots there, but ask the EU will they be able to keep funding Kosovo for another 10 years. This is not a Serb hating Albanians talking here, its reality. I have seen the financial books for the EU and US and its not a pretty picture at all.
I accept that there is distrust of Serbs and therefore ask you that you say that no Albanian will ever go to Serbia proper to look for work at any stage. If I was mistreated as the Albanians claim I would never cross into Albania.
I await your response.
(sj, 2 April 2011 12:11)

Last time they were pushed to Albania and Macedonia but a big chunk made it to EU, USA and many more to New Zeland and Australia so there will be a crises like in Tunisa where thousands make it to Italian shores its just a case with refugees.

2) Many countries can not sustain them selves does this mean they should be swallowed by bigger countries?

I see you have a very negative view of the Americans and even worst of Albanians what are you offering them as a solution to be under Serbia, going in future to Serbia should be a safe bet my friend unless this pot of gold is some place in Serbia that Serbs have not found it. Serbia keeps getting Hand out left and right and I have been to Serbia is not as bad as Kosovo but a very poor country outside of Belgrad and Novi sad u think u are in same situation. Go ask population there they are immigrating just as much.

When u speak in regards to Albanians I do not know I am not one but I tell u they are no different than Serbs but it makes me laugh how B92 and Serbian Media always puts a photo of some old villagers but not some young student.

I ask you what you are offering them more then Autonomy less than independence u are telling them u are dependent on Serbia, they rather be in EU support than Serbias.

I ask you do you think Serbia will get Kosovo back in our life time?

If you can't even play soccer because FIFA says you are not independent then what makes you think you are?
(Peggy, 31 March 2011 13:31)

Peggy, again, you are a little bit confused. FIFA membership has nothing to do with independence. Wales, for example, is a FIFA member, but it is not independent.

If you are independent then why use Serbia's international country code (+381)? Why don't you go and get your own? Oh, that's right, these codes are reserved for truly independent countries that not even the world's most "powerful" nations can change.
(Zoran, 31 March 2011 15:14)

Here is another one that is confused like Peggy. Calling codes and ITU membership means nothing about whether something in independent or not. Vatican has the calling code of Italy, but Vatican is an independent country. Russia has the calling code of Kazakhstan (+7), but Russia is obviously independent from Kazakhstan. So, please stop writing non-sense...

Passports? The Kosovo passport is already accepted at probably any country they would ever want or need to go. It is even accepted in some countries that have not yet formally recognized them.
(a New Day, 1 April 2011 16:26)
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Spoken like a child. I don't want to go to these countries anyway. I don't need them anyway so who cares if they don't recognise me.
Who whole world is trading with these countries because they are the future and here you are saying who cares.
With that mentality you are going nowhere.

"Tahiri stressed, adding that the International Court of Justice (ICJ) had also confirmed legality of Kosovo’s independence"

I would expected from her, as a Kosovo official, to be at least able to read. So, once again: The ICJ has confirmed the legality of the DECLARATION of independence, and not the independence itself. To sum up: Every group in the world, for example the Thaci clan, has the right to declare themselves as an independent state or kingdom.

Passports? The Kosovo passport is already accepted at probably any country they would ever want or need to go. It is even accepted in some countries that have not yet formally recognized them.
(a New Day, 1 April 2011 16:26)

Well, but it is not accepted by, say, Iran or Venezuela and given the impatience everybody in the world has to visit those countries, that's a very big incentive for Kosovo to give up the independence and go back under Serbia. Don't you agree :)

I would expected from her, as a Kosovo official, to be at least able to read. So, once again: The ICJ has confirmed the legality of the DECLARATION of independence, and not the independence itself. To sum up: Every group in the world, for example the Thaci clan, has the right to declare themselves as an independent state or kingdom.
(Top, 3 April 2011 14:17)
Sure, but if the Thaci clan declares independence, what can they do with it ? :)
With Kosovo is different. The Declaration of Independence is legal, so the Constitution of Kosovo based on that declaration of independence is legal. So the Kosovo’s Assembly created under that Constitution is legal. So the Kosovo’s government approved by the Assembly is legal. So the actions of the Kosovo’s government (independent from the Serbia government) are legal (as long as they are in line with Kosovo’s constitution).
Now, can you say from that whether independence is legal or not. Not important; say whatever you want. That does not change the fact that the actions of the Kosovo’s government taken independently from Serbia’s legal framework, are legal under international law because the declaration of independence is legal. And for that Kosovo has to again thank Vuk, because without his initiative to the ICJ we would still be discussing today whether Kosovo’s government is legal or not.

All the money in the world wouldn't be enough to help the Kosovo Albanians.
(Another Canadian Serb, 31 March 2011 14:37)


This is the smallest of many reasons why Kosovo will never be occupyed by Serbia again. This guy above showes what serbs think of albanians.


Reamamber it is Serbia who is the looser. Kosovo will get richer with time and albanians will make it very well. Nothing for the serbs to worry about. You worried enough in 1998-99!!

Demi!

Albanians have been in europe for a so called 10,000 years.

Still after 10,000 years Albanians lack an economy, culture and most of all an identity.

What will make the next 10,000 years different?

Sorry to be bearer of bad news, but i just don't see anything positive, except for the free handouts of money that you currently live on.

All the money in the world wouldn't be enough to help the Kosovo Albanians.
(Another Canadian Serb, 31 March 2011 14:37)

All the smart people in the world wouldn't be enough to make Serbs understand that Kosovo is independent.

“We talked about energy and telecommunications on Monday. Kosovo’s energy and telecommunications system cannot be normalized due to Serbia’s interference,” Tahiri stressed.
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If you are independent then why use Serbia's international country code (+381)? Why don't you go and get your own? Oh, that's right, these codes are reserved for truly independent countries that not even the world's most "powerful" nations can change. Back to reality my friends and time to work out a realistic compromise, at least for the sake of those people living in the province.

Also, it's good that the North is off the agenda. That part is already firmly under Serbian authority.

You will talk about whatever your masters tell you to talk about. If you don't just remember what happens to disobedient puppets.
Kosovo is NOT independent. If you can't even play soccer because FIFA says you are not independent then what makes you think you are?
Try sending an Olympic team somewhere.
UN does not say you are independent. Majority of the world does not say you are independent. So what if the US says it. Who made them the rulers of the world? They are about to find out just how much they rule when they wake up and realize who they owe hundreds of billions to.

Demi!

Albanians have been in europe for a so called 10,000 years.

Still after 10,000 years Albanians lack an economy, culture and most of all an identity.

What will make the next 10,000 years different?

Sorry to be bearer of bad news, but i just don't see anything positive, except for the free handouts of money that you currently live on.
(Another Canadian Serb, 31 March 2011 15:44)

Yes Serbia Is economical power house even before Christ was born you here about Serbs = to Parisians, Lebanese as great merchants lol.

Kosovo is far from economical power house but Kosovo is in better shape than having to live under Serbian rule, If being under Sebia 150Euro salary was so attractive dont you think people would move to Serbia or ask for Serbia to come and rule Kosovo.

I just do not understand why you care that K-Albaninas have or dont have Economy Serbs get special Salary from Serbia and many get paid from Kosovo budget as well trust me, and Serbs in North would like this status since if they go under Serbia they will not be any use to gov any longer they will have no special pay.

Lets hope there is a solution for north portion of Kosovo and K-Serbs go under Serbia and no more dealing with each other till both sides grow up and join EU.

Canadian Serb why not return home to Serbia since its such a power house.

She is only stating what the USA has instructed.

Screw the negotiations and quickly get out of there with some dignity.

Serbia should just keep on doing what it's been doing for the last couple of years. There is plenty of time left in this world.

Let the Kosovarians wallow in their world of crime, poverty and political corruption.

All the money in the world wouldn't be enough to help the Kosovo Albanians.

By all means don't talk about the north ..... and let the de facto partition continue ..... suits the K-Serbs there fine I should think!

well, she´s not really speaking about two different countries, is she? us-american influence is clearly visible, but that makes no difference, Serbia will prevail, it´s definitely only a question of time.

...and then that lady will see what is actually really " out of question "

let´s just see what future brings!

"Also, it's good that the North is off the agenda. That part is already firmly under Serbian authority." (Zoran)

-- Exactly. I don't know why they keep talking about something they have no bargaining leverage over. In actuality, these talks are less about Serbs and Albanians talking to each other than they are about Serbs and Albanians petitioning the EU moderators for what policy is the most effective for ensuring "stability", which is ultimately what the international powers want underneath the rhetoric of supporting Kosovo's sovereignty. Pristina could have gained a considerable degree of leverage if it mapped out a strategy for integrating a fully autonomous north within Kosovo. While Mitrovica would have rejected it, it would have shown the Albanians are actually serious about solving this issue and showing their practicality towards the EU. But refusing to even so much as consider being flexible over an area they covet but don't control shows me they're really unprepared for these negotiations; particularly when the north, at the absolute least, will achieve some form of significant autonomy in the end anyway.

peggy...... I know you didn't just state that FIFA membership defines statehood or sovereignty of a political region. That would be an argument of a five year old.

Let me school you here really quickly....the biggest opponent to membership in FIFA is its president Blatter. This person has outright stated that Kosovo cannot join. Now who is to say what the next president says in the future...or a few after him. Sooner or later FFK (Federata Futbollistike e Kosoves) will join FIFA.

Another point, FIFA does not constitute sovereignty or statehood...why? Palestine is a member of FIFA and yet it is not a sovereign state, or a UN member. Think about this one.

Last point, you mentioned that number-wise the "majority of the world" (referring to UN members) don't recognize Kosovo. So what? UN membership does not constitute statehood. Let's look back at Palestine example: Palestine is recognized by over 100+ of 192 UN members and still to this day is NOT sovereign country.

SOURCES:

FIFA MEMBER LIST: http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federation/associations.html
Foreign Relations of the State of Palestine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Palestine


End note: did you know that FIFA has 208 country codes, one of them being for Republic of China aka Taiwan? UN organization has only 192 members.



Thanks,

-- Exactly. I don't know why they keep talking about something they have no bargaining leverage over. In actuality, these talks are less about Serbs and Albanians talking to each other than they are about Serbs and Albanians petitioning the EU moderators for what policy is the most effective for ensuring "stability", which is ultimately what the international powers want underneath the rhetoric of supporting Kosovo's sovereignty. Pristina could have gained a considerable degree of leverage if it mapped out a strategy for integrating a fully autonomous north within Kosovo. While Mitrovica would have rejected it, it would have shown the Albanians are actually serious about solving this issue and showing their practicality towards the EU. But refusing to even so much as consider being flexible over an area they covet but don't control shows me they're really unprepared for these negotiations; particularly when the north, at the absolute least, will achieve some form of significant autonomy in the end anyway.
(Mike, 31 March 2011 17:35)
Funny you should say that. I have always said that about Serbia and Kosovo. If Serbia had shown any serious intent to integrate the "people" of Kosovo back into Serbia, they may have received some western support. But there has never been a second of discussion in Serbia of doing that until negotiations were over. The phrase "more than autonomy less that independence" (whatever that means) was never mentioned during the negotiations, it was coined after the UN negotiators declared that future negotiations were futile. Everything Serbia did was to make claims to the land and preferably without the people.
Now will the Pristina govt follow suit? Hopefully, someone will bring this to light. However, the current forum is not where such discussions should take place. It should be mainly a forum between Pristina and the poeple living in the north, with input from Serbia.

You mean it finally dawned on you that Serbia only talks about the land without mentioning the people. Give it a little more thought and you will come up with the right answer.

No one cares what Pristina likes or dislikes as these talks are to paper over a back flip by the west as they are no longer able to support the many hands asking for money to feed themselves, but hey if you have found a source of income that does not involve anyone else then your Kosovo is independent otherwise you do as you are told.
(sj, 1 April 2011 03:48)
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No I realized that shortly after arriving in Kosovo in 2006. My original thoughts were then that reintegration of Kosovo into Serbia was the best option. You see I arrived with an open mind. It did not take me very long at all to realize that was not even a remote possibility. People like yourself have made a profound impact on my way of thinking.
Just like the US and EU found out there were 2 options for Kosovo 1. Forever be a UN protectorate, 2. Help Kosovo become independent.

Even if Serbia were to regain control over Kosovo they do not have the financial resources to rebuild what they destroyed nor to maintain it. So it would actually cost the west more to return it to Serbia because not only would they have to fund Kosovo but also the amount that would be skimmed from the top in Belgrade.

(pss, 31 March 2011 20:55)

You mean it finally dawned on you that Serbia only talks about the land without mentioning the people. Give it a little more thought and you will come up with the right answer.

No one cares what Pristina likes or dislikes as these talks are to paper over a back flip by the west as they are no longer able to support the many hands asking for money to feed themselves, but hey if you have found a source of income that does not involve anyone else then your Kosovo is independent otherwise you do as you are told.

peggy...... I know you didn't just state that FIFA membership defines statehood or sovereignty of a political region. That would be an argument of a five year old.
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No, FIFA does not decide who is a country and who is not just like Olympic committee doesn't and yet you still can't join.
That's all I am saying. Even these two organisations can ban you because you are NOT a country.
They only let countries in. Get it now.
I don't know what the future brings and I can't tell you if you will ever have a football team at all let alone qualify to play against anyone but for now you are out. So until you are actually a country and your passports can get you in to other countries, please stop with the rubbish. You are only embarrassing yourselves.

I don't know what the future brings and I can't tell you if you will ever have a football team at all let alone qualify to play against anyone but for now you are out. So until you are actually a country and your passports can get you in to other countries, please stop with the rubbish. You are only embarrassing yourselves.
(Peggy, 1 April 2011 11:08)
Football team or no? The only chance for Kosovo to have a football team is through independence, they cannot have a Kosovo team as part of Serbia. So the course they are taking is their ONLY hope for a team.
Passports? The Kosovo passport is already accepted at probably any country they would ever want or need to go. It is even accepted in some countries that have not yet formally recognized them.

No I realized that shortly after arriving in Kosovo in 2006. My original thoughts were then that reintegration of Kosovo into Serbia was the best option. You see I arrived with an open mind. It did not take me very long at all to realize that was not even a remote possibility. People like yourself have made a profound impact on my way of thinking.
Just like the US and EU found out there were 2 options for Kosovo 1. Forever be a UN protectorate, 2. Help Kosovo become independent.

Even if Serbia were to regain control over Kosovo they do not have the financial resources to rebuild what they destroyed nor to maintain it. So it would actually cost the west more to return it to Serbia because not only would they have to fund Kosovo but also the amount that would be skimmed from the top in Belgrade.
(pss, 1 April 2011 14:04)

I would like to add to your comment above that not only would they have monetary issue but you will have a mass exudes of Albanian population (old, woman, children) for shores of EU countries.

The distrust of Serbian hand in Albanian psyche is so vivid that they will result to war. No one in the world wants war except few brain dead nationalists.

Serbs mite want it as a protectorate since there will always be that chance that winds are right and they get territory under their control without the population. But who will keep the K-Albaninas to take the streets again and repeat 2004 which was horrible event and pushed further both populations (and gave Serbs some ammunition to complain, oh its not just us).

From my point of view North is a big issue but that is in last stages type of discussion.

instead of thinking about really important things, they are dreaming of a soccerteam....
that´s the best example of what brainwashing can actually achieve.

kids, you are not a country, no matter what others may tell you. it´s only a question of time, until you finally realize it. but that will take time, unfortunately.
time that you are wasting.

(pss, 1 April 2011 14:04)

Kosovo is costing the west an arm and a leg, so to speak, so why would they want to continue to pour money into a bottomless pit forever? As I have said before communism is dead and we now have market forces which dictate our everyday lives. I don’t personally agree, but we have to live in a dog-eat-dog world, that’s capitalism.
Market forces demand that you drop anything that does not return an income on investment and the maintenance of a separate Kosovo is unsustainable in any currency or language. It is cheaper for the west to give a token amount to Serbia and say here it is and you look after it and walk away than to keep this entity alive – it was only US pride that brought it to this level, just like the US refusal to admit it has lost two wars and now wants to wage a third in Libya.
I have dealt with these people and I know the way think – it’s the same arrogance that would attend a meeting in Asia and only bring one person that speaks the local language or only have 4 people amongst 1000 employees who speak Arabic in their embassy in Bagdad. Pure and utter arrogance.
Look at the way the EU wants the former Yugoslav states, now separate countries, to work together. The logic is that they can cooperate and earn income - why is this happening? Money is the answer. The EU is running out very fast. Who is the beneficiary in all of this cooperation? Belgrade that’s who. You know where I stand in politics, but I have to acknowledge some of the far right Croatian extremists when they say their government has sold them out to the Serbs. It has done exactly that because Croatia cannot survive on tourism alone and the EU has drastically reduced aid. Its either live with Serbia or sink.
I repeat if Kosovo has a source of income that can sustain itself then you have independence, but if not then the west will sell the Albanians out and the process of reintegration will take place in the next 5 to ten years maximum.
The west does not care what the Albanians think. Reality is brutal; you have been of use before but what have you done recently for me? Nothing; then see you later.

(Engineer, 1 April 2011 17:13)

This exodus of Albanians; where do you think they will go? The EU? No my friend they will not. The EU will close its doors and say no more visas and all refugees are to be returned. The EU wants to return Albanian refugees of the 1990 war not take on more.
There is something in the Albanians mentality that makes you think you are special you can pack up bags and leave in droves to where ever you like or that you could take up arms at the drop of a hat and create havoc. Let me be the rude awakening for you; try it and see where you end up – in Albania living in tents in the middle of winter freezing to death with the west turning their heads ignoring the cries for help. This time it will be the west that does this to you.
The Albanians behaved badly in 2004 because they were allowed to do so not because they had military or political strength – they were much like the Kurds that followed the US into Bagdad and the US allowed them to steal everything in sight including the museum. Once again, the Albanians were allowed to rampage through Kosovo.
It is most frustrating when talking to Albanians about Kosovo. This small piece of land in their eyes is richer than Saudi Arabia and Kuwait together and that there is a pot of gold just around the corner. Serbia can maintain the status quo where no industry opens its doors and the Albanian population sits and rots there, but ask the EU will they be able to keep funding Kosovo for another 10 years. This is not a Serb hating Albanians talking here, its reality. I have seen the financial books for the EU and US and its not a pretty picture at all.
I accept that there is distrust of Serbs and therefore ask you that you say that no Albanian will ever go to Serbia proper to look for work at any stage. If I was mistreated as the Albanians claim I would never cross into Albania.
I await your response.

This exodus of Albanians; where do you think they will go? The EU? No my friend they will not. The EU will close its doors and say no more visas and all refugees are to be returned. The EU wants to return Albanian refugees of the 1990 war not take on more.
There is something in the Albanians mentality that makes you think you are special you can pack up bags and leave in droves to where ever you like or that you could take up arms at the drop of a hat and create havoc. Let me be the rude awakening for you; try it and see where you end up – in Albania living in tents in the middle of winter freezing to death with the west turning their heads ignoring the cries for help. This time it will be the west that does this to you.
The Albanians behaved badly in 2004 because they were allowed to do so not because they had military or political strength – they were much like the Kurds that followed the US into Bagdad and the US allowed them to steal everything in sight including the museum. Once again, the Albanians were allowed to rampage through Kosovo.
It is most frustrating when talking to Albanians about Kosovo. This small piece of land in their eyes is richer than Saudi Arabia and Kuwait together and that there is a pot of gold just around the corner. Serbia can maintain the status quo where no industry opens its doors and the Albanian population sits and rots there, but ask the EU will they be able to keep funding Kosovo for another 10 years. This is not a Serb hating Albanians talking here, its reality. I have seen the financial books for the EU and US and its not a pretty picture at all.
I accept that there is distrust of Serbs and therefore ask you that you say that no Albanian will ever go to Serbia proper to look for work at any stage. If I was mistreated as the Albanians claim I would never cross into Albania.
I await your response.
(sj, 2 April 2011 12:11)

Last time they were pushed to Albania and Macedonia but a big chunk made it to EU, USA and many more to New Zeland and Australia so there will be a crises like in Tunisa where thousands make it to Italian shores its just a case with refugees.

2) Many countries can not sustain them selves does this mean they should be swallowed by bigger countries?

I see you have a very negative view of the Americans and even worst of Albanians what are you offering them as a solution to be under Serbia, going in future to Serbia should be a safe bet my friend unless this pot of gold is some place in Serbia that Serbs have not found it. Serbia keeps getting Hand out left and right and I have been to Serbia is not as bad as Kosovo but a very poor country outside of Belgrad and Novi sad u think u are in same situation. Go ask population there they are immigrating just as much.

When u speak in regards to Albanians I do not know I am not one but I tell u they are no different than Serbs but it makes me laugh how B92 and Serbian Media always puts a photo of some old villagers but not some young student.

I ask you what you are offering them more then Autonomy less than independence u are telling them u are dependent on Serbia, they rather be in EU support than Serbias.

I ask you do you think Serbia will get Kosovo back in our life time?

''Still after 10,000 years Albanians lack an economy, culture and most of all an identity. ''

What do you mean by economy anyway, today you are rich next day you get poor, economy means nothing...also sebia, albania, fyrom, montenegro, balkan countries in general apart slovenia and greece etc are relatively close in ters of economy progress, so please try to be realistic, Serbia does not have the highest standart in balkans and former yugoslav countries anyway, slovenia and greece are the only balkan countries which have the economies comparable with western countries...yet, you can't blame Albanians for being poor, thanks to ''socialism and brootherhood with yugoslavs'' idea of the ww2 we ended up a communist state, in 1943-44 period Albania started to flourish,because our territory doubled, in less than 1 year, with the help of germans, schools and administration was established everywhere, even in the most remote villages...communists ruined everything. If had never come with the great idea of ''marxism'' we would never be at this stage. Also, we lack territory...unless we double our territory, we will never prosper. Albania is full of montains, it is beutiful, but in terms of infratructure, we surely need expensive investments...that's why doubling the territory would solve our problems.

culture and identity? we base our identity on blood, language we speak, the land we inherited, not on religions of the book...you see, reading books is good, but not the wrong ones.

Passports? The Kosovo passport is already accepted at probably any country they would ever want or need to go. It is even accepted in some countries that have not yet formally recognized them.
(a New Day, 1 April 2011 16:26)
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Spoken like a child. I don't want to go to these countries anyway. I don't need them anyway so who cares if they don't recognise me.
Who whole world is trading with these countries because they are the future and here you are saying who cares.
With that mentality you are going nowhere.

"Tahiri stressed, adding that the International Court of Justice (ICJ) had also confirmed legality of Kosovo’s independence"

I would expected from her, as a Kosovo official, to be at least able to read. So, once again: The ICJ has confirmed the legality of the DECLARATION of independence, and not the independence itself. To sum up: Every group in the world, for example the Thaci clan, has the right to declare themselves as an independent state or kingdom.

If you can't even play soccer because FIFA says you are not independent then what makes you think you are?
(Peggy, 31 March 2011 13:31)

Peggy, again, you are a little bit confused. FIFA membership has nothing to do with independence. Wales, for example, is a FIFA member, but it is not independent.

If you are independent then why use Serbia's international country code (+381)? Why don't you go and get your own? Oh, that's right, these codes are reserved for truly independent countries that not even the world's most "powerful" nations can change.
(Zoran, 31 March 2011 15:14)

Here is another one that is confused like Peggy. Calling codes and ITU membership means nothing about whether something in independent or not. Vatican has the calling code of Italy, but Vatican is an independent country. Russia has the calling code of Kazakhstan (+7), but Russia is obviously independent from Kazakhstan. So, please stop writing non-sense...

Passports? The Kosovo passport is already accepted at probably any country they would ever want or need to go. It is even accepted in some countries that have not yet formally recognized them.
(a New Day, 1 April 2011 16:26)

Well, but it is not accepted by, say, Iran or Venezuela and given the impatience everybody in the world has to visit those countries, that's a very big incentive for Kosovo to give up the independence and go back under Serbia. Don't you agree :)

I would expected from her, as a Kosovo official, to be at least able to read. So, once again: The ICJ has confirmed the legality of the DECLARATION of independence, and not the independence itself. To sum up: Every group in the world, for example the Thaci clan, has the right to declare themselves as an independent state or kingdom.
(Top, 3 April 2011 14:17)
Sure, but if the Thaci clan declares independence, what can they do with it ? :)
With Kosovo is different. The Declaration of Independence is legal, so the Constitution of Kosovo based on that declaration of independence is legal. So the Kosovo’s Assembly created under that Constitution is legal. So the Kosovo’s government approved by the Assembly is legal. So the actions of the Kosovo’s government (independent from the Serbia government) are legal (as long as they are in line with Kosovo’s constitution).
Now, can you say from that whether independence is legal or not. Not important; say whatever you want. That does not change the fact that the actions of the Kosovo’s government taken independently from Serbia’s legal framework, are legal under international law because the declaration of independence is legal. And for that Kosovo has to again thank Vuk, because without his initiative to the ICJ we would still be discussing today whether Kosovo’s government is legal or not.