"Kosovo does not set precedent"

Hysterendi, of course the ICJ opinion has set a precedent. Please put down your talking points list, supplied by the US State Dept., and be honest. You may be viewed more favorably in the world, if you are honest. Your friends, the Americans, once had your freedom-fighting KLA on their terrorist list, only to drop that distinction, when they needed them to do their dirty work in KiM. The US uses and exploits separatist groups around the world, and the K Albanians are no exception. They are not your friends, Hysrterendi, they are using you while they need you - and their need for you is waning quickly. The US, and the Albanians as their accomplices, has created a global mess, with all minorities around the world with secessionist ambitions looking to the ICJ opinion as a green light for their own separatist movements. Be honest, Hysterendi, you will be viewed with greater respect, than just chirping America's tired old stories.

Skender Hyseni is only saying "We can do it but you can't." That doesn't hold water anywhere. The UDI and subsequent recognitions by those countries that allowed it did create precedent.

Does the Kosovo so called FM live on another planet. Of course the precedent has been set. No where in the ICJ verdict does it state that Kosovo is a special case but what they did say that kosovo is still a non state.

Break-away nations are looking at Kosovo and seeing what dissaster it has become. Thanks to Serbias stubbornness the Kosovo experiment is a failure. This is what all those wanna be nations want to avoid. The ICJ ruling didn't bring anything new or any solution to the conflict over Kosovo. The only thing that will end the stalemate are new negotiations.

As to Hyseni, here is what the Lebanon Star says about the ICJ:

[link]#axzz0v3PxegTx
(Aleks, 31 July 2010 14:05)

Aleks, I use "tinyURL" to make shorter links, the B92's engine likes them better.

This is a proper link to the article:

http://tinyurl.com/2eh8phn

And how correct Chibli Mallat is!

What he writes:

"I prefer the one-state solution as both more humanist and more practical: humanist because it dwells on the commonalty of Palestinians and Israelis (or Jews and non-Jews) rather than on their differences, practical because of the profound imbrication of the populations. Israel-Palestine is now bi-national, or bi-people, this is a fact. A federal state is better than the division of the land. This is also true for Kosovo and the other countries in the Balkans, as it is for Sudan and Yemen. The ICJ Kosovo ruling is good for secessionists, bad for democrats, and devastating for order in the planet."

Unfortunately no one will listen to him. Israel faces the strong guys who have own interests in the area (Syria, Iran) - and they are all, but soft. Serbia faces other type of hyenas.

The only reason Serbia is where it now is: it's military was mismanaged and now it's much weaker than it was. All hope Serbs have: some hyenas could be vegetarian.

Or maybe create a professional, VERY strong army - and manage the Kosovo problem like Israel would.

Of course Kosovo sets a precedent. Kosovo's ethnic Albanian foreign minister is simply spreading "Pristina Propaganda" at the United Nations by telling the opposite. Separatists groups worldwide are inspired by Kosovo and the recent ICJ ruling. Maybe in the not so distant future, France, which has Europe's biggest Muslim population; maybe French Muslims will get get together and proclaim a huge chunk of France as a Muslim state. Then, maybe in the not so distant future, Muslims in Great Britain will get together to proclaim a huge chunk of Great Britain as another Muslim state. Maybe, in the not so distant future, Muslims in the USA will band together and proclaim a huge chunk of the USA as a Muslim nation. Kosovo is the first Muslim nation in modern day Europe. You think determined Muslims want to stop there? Pandera's box has been opened.

Such a pitty.

I was really hopping that the ICH rule on Kosova's independence would open the path to other martyr nations that are fighting for their freedom.

In this way all those stated that suppoorted Serbia in UN GA and after that in during the ICJ process as Spain would get what they deserve.

Ben that's an awful thing to say, it shows you have no care or consideration for human suffering or desire to prevent discord.

You would welcome the break up of Spain, with all that country has suffered in terms of regional hatred and slaughter over the years, you would have no problem in Spain breaking up to fan the flames of hatred once again just because they support Serbia's position. I do not know where to begin to analyse such an insensitive, selfish attitude. It points to the dark side of human nature.

You must be a very angry man. I wish you all the best with your future and hope you sort that out.

This guy angers me. He is useless and a waste of space. He is a pathetic attempt at a Foreign Minister. Compare him him to Jeremic, he goes all over the world meeting with country's leaders, attending conferences at international organisations ect. Where has Hyseni been? Pristina and New York only! Lobbying in New York for recognition isn't going to achieve much. There is a reason why Jeremic goes to loads of countries all over the world and not just meeting "representatives" in New York. In the last couple of days he met with the US's and Germany's permanent representatives to the UN, which a waste of time. They already recognise Kosovo. Anything he wanted to say to them could have been done over the phone, instead of wasting time to do it face-to-face. He needs to go to countries to lobby for recognition. If I were President or PM of Kosovo, I'd tell him to go around the world lobbying for recognition and I wouldn't allow him to return to Kosovo until I'm satisfied with his work. Hyseni is a waste of space. He needs replacing with someone who knows what they're doing.

"You would welcome the break up of Spain"
miles

Why hold people together who want to be separated? It has nothing to do with Spain of the thirties. An independent Catalonia of some 8 million people would be just fine and economically very viable. Just look at Slovenia after the break-up of Yougoslavia.

This guy thinks he can trick Greece and Spain into recognizing kosovo on the false belief that the us will bail them out of their financial problems. Greece and Spain know that the us cannot bail itself out of the financial mess, much less them.

Why am I not surprised to read such blood lust in the previous comment? Don't worry, there will be plenty of mindless and pointless slaughter and misery to satisfy even you (ben).

As to Hyseni, here is what the Lebanon Star says about the ICJ:

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=30&article_id=117558#axzz0v3PxegTx

Ben, I think there is a thought in your comment, but it makes no sense. What does Spain deserve? What is a pity to your other muslim martyr friends? Please rewrite your post, I am curious as to what you want to say.

"Break-away nations are looking at Kosovo and seeing what dissaster it has become. Thanks to Serbias stubbornness the Kosovo experiment is a failure. This is what all those wanna be nations want to avoid. Mikael C"

- Hold your horses Michael.
There is plenty of time. New recognitions will start to come in due time. Have some patience!

I'm extremely sure that break-away provinces where human rights are violated would love to become 'failures' like Kosova as you put it as long as they can live free!

Slow day? This isn't even newsworthy...

B92: I have been asked to give some explanation aso from an islamophobic guy here. So will you pls post my comment?

It wasn’t us that wanted to go to the ICJ.

We were saying this is a sui generis case.

It was you that wanted the "generalisation" and the "moment of truth" in the ICJ.

Now you got it.

All I hope is that ICJ can now be used by other martyr nations fighting for their freedom- as I am happy about my freedom thus I cannot deny that to other nations it would be simply immoral from my side.

Now the naive and arrogant countries that supported you Serbs in the UN GA and after that in the ICJ and wanted the "generalisation" deriving from the ICJ rule got the answer: not from us but form the ICJ itself.

Bottom line:
- we didn't wanted for the ICJ
- we didn't support the "generalisation" of the ICJ outcome

thus we bear no responsibility.

Me personally I would be very happy if the ICJ could be used by other martyr nations: Chechens, Darfur, Cataluña, Basque countries, Bosnians in Sandzak, Hungarians in Vojvodina, Bulgarians in east Serbia etc.

I sincerely hope that ICJ can help them.

You wanted the ICJ now you got it and face the consequences: dear Serbia, dear Spain...

Whoy should I care what you have stolen form your neighbours and now hide behind the “sovereignty” ???

No way.

We offered you a get a way: Kosova is sui generis case.

You said: NO it is not and ICJ will confirm this and the illegality of the UDI.

Well you are wrong. Your bet went very wrongly. Sorry for you – but honestly cannot care less since: you asked for it.

Secessionist movements existed before Kosovo declared independence and they still exist afterwards. Nothing has changed since Kosovo declared independence. They're no more of a bigger threat because of Kosovo's declaration of independence. Before the 1995 enlargement of the EU, you could go to the Basque country in Spain and see EU flags with 13 stars instead of 12 because the Basque people said that they'd be the 13th member. Nothing happened and nothing will. Almost 100 countries have declared independence the same way Kosovo did. Even Serbia unilaterally declared independence from the Ottoman Empire, so why is it that only Kosovo "sets a precedent" and no-one else? Because it is not true and it is just a desperate attempt from Serbia to try and minimise recognition for Kosovo. Which secessionist movement has declared independence as a result of Kosovo? No-one, that is the answer. South Sudan is set to have a referendum on independence in 2011 however this was organised in 2005, therefore Kosovo can not be blamed as it was arranged before Kosovo declared it's independence and held it's referendum. Besides no other secessionist movement in the world as been in the same situation as Kosovo, this makes Kosovo's case unique. Anyone can declared independence, the hard part is survival and getting recognition, that is why most secessionist movements don't bother as they know they'll fail instantly. The truth is that Kosovo hasn't set a precedent.

@ "Ian, UK":

you´re either a hard-core k-albanian secessionist, or you simply do not get it right.

besides the fact, that only a person who ignores virtually all facts and reality can say at all that the Kosovo-case is not setting a precedent, your post shows that you do not seem to care about realistic evaluation.

the ICJ "advisory opinion" is, for those who were sceptic about this stillborn freak-creation that the k-albanians are calling "kosovah-republjik" just a sign that there is something going wrong in the western world.

not only is this pseudo-state, I´d rather call it temprarily occupied serbian territory, create as the result of an offensive war, an aggression, ...

it´s also totally depending on foreign help, economically and also militarily.

so, for every person with a litte bit of brains in their head it shoulb be clear that this is only a temporary episode.

so, better be prepared for a changing story in the future...

as for mr.Hyseni, I´d just answer: "Dream on, my dear, dream on!"

Ataman everyone prefers different things. I prefer Brazilian women. Some prefer hot nordic women. Thing is everyone prefers different things; however the preferences of a dude from the Arab countries do not hold any more weight than a dude from England for example. They are after all preferences.

Peace.

This reminds me of George Orwell - War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

Those with the ability to engage two or more braincells simultaneously in the process of thinking will understand that what this man is saying is nonsensical and ridiculous.

Thanks for the tip Ataman! Noted.

Re: Ian, UK's comment, is being bombed by a 19 nation military organization in contravention of international law NOT a precedent? What kind of history books did they give you at school exactly?

Still, you enjoy preaching to the converted, i.e. the whole new legion of albanian commentards and trolls that have come to B92 over the last few weeks. I'm so happy to have them here because most of them make even less sense than the regulars. ARe albanian news sites really that boring that they come here? I think it is terrific!

Aleks wrote: "ARe albanian news sites really that boring that they come here? I think it is terrific!"
Well "Aco", first territory and then own the soul (newspapers etc.).
(Ilyrian from Vushtrri, 2 August 2010 17:13)

Judging from the poor quality of most albanian commenters here, it will be a cold day in hell when that happens!

Of course the Serbs could declare themselves as the real descendants of the Illyrians and then problem will be solved. It is not as if the Illyrians left much behind.

See, anyone can make declarations when it is not illegal!

I just wanted to say sorry for the lousy mistakes in my previous post...

the keyboard was not working properly... and I didn´t read it again before posting.

sorry for that.

Aleks wrote: "ARe albanian news sites really that boring that they come here? I think it is terrific!"
Well "Aco", first territory and then own the soul (newspapers etc.).

Such a pitty.

I was really hopping that the ICH rule on Kosova's independence would open the path to other martyr nations that are fighting for their freedom.

In this way all those stated that suppoorted Serbia in UN GA and after that in during the ICJ process as Spain would get what they deserve.

Break-away nations are looking at Kosovo and seeing what dissaster it has become. Thanks to Serbias stubbornness the Kosovo experiment is a failure. This is what all those wanna be nations want to avoid. The ICJ ruling didn't bring anything new or any solution to the conflict over Kosovo. The only thing that will end the stalemate are new negotiations.

Does the Kosovo so called FM live on another planet. Of course the precedent has been set. No where in the ICJ verdict does it state that Kosovo is a special case but what they did say that kosovo is still a non state.

As to Hyseni, here is what the Lebanon Star says about the ICJ:

[link]#axzz0v3PxegTx
(Aleks, 31 July 2010 14:05)

Aleks, I use "tinyURL" to make shorter links, the B92's engine likes them better.

This is a proper link to the article:

http://tinyurl.com/2eh8phn

And how correct Chibli Mallat is!

What he writes:

"I prefer the one-state solution as both more humanist and more practical: humanist because it dwells on the commonalty of Palestinians and Israelis (or Jews and non-Jews) rather than on their differences, practical because of the profound imbrication of the populations. Israel-Palestine is now bi-national, or bi-people, this is a fact. A federal state is better than the division of the land. This is also true for Kosovo and the other countries in the Balkans, as it is for Sudan and Yemen. The ICJ Kosovo ruling is good for secessionists, bad for democrats, and devastating for order in the planet."

Unfortunately no one will listen to him. Israel faces the strong guys who have own interests in the area (Syria, Iran) - and they are all, but soft. Serbia faces other type of hyenas.

The only reason Serbia is where it now is: it's military was mismanaged and now it's much weaker than it was. All hope Serbs have: some hyenas could be vegetarian.

Or maybe create a professional, VERY strong army - and manage the Kosovo problem like Israel would.

This guy angers me. He is useless and a waste of space. He is a pathetic attempt at a Foreign Minister. Compare him him to Jeremic, he goes all over the world meeting with country's leaders, attending conferences at international organisations ect. Where has Hyseni been? Pristina and New York only! Lobbying in New York for recognition isn't going to achieve much. There is a reason why Jeremic goes to loads of countries all over the world and not just meeting "representatives" in New York. In the last couple of days he met with the US's and Germany's permanent representatives to the UN, which a waste of time. They already recognise Kosovo. Anything he wanted to say to them could have been done over the phone, instead of wasting time to do it face-to-face. He needs to go to countries to lobby for recognition. If I were President or PM of Kosovo, I'd tell him to go around the world lobbying for recognition and I wouldn't allow him to return to Kosovo until I'm satisfied with his work. Hyseni is a waste of space. He needs replacing with someone who knows what they're doing.

Of course Kosovo sets a precedent. Kosovo's ethnic Albanian foreign minister is simply spreading "Pristina Propaganda" at the United Nations by telling the opposite. Separatists groups worldwide are inspired by Kosovo and the recent ICJ ruling. Maybe in the not so distant future, France, which has Europe's biggest Muslim population; maybe French Muslims will get get together and proclaim a huge chunk of France as a Muslim state. Then, maybe in the not so distant future, Muslims in Great Britain will get together to proclaim a huge chunk of Great Britain as another Muslim state. Maybe, in the not so distant future, Muslims in the USA will band together and proclaim a huge chunk of the USA as a Muslim nation. Kosovo is the first Muslim nation in modern day Europe. You think determined Muslims want to stop there? Pandera's box has been opened.

Hysterendi, of course the ICJ opinion has set a precedent. Please put down your talking points list, supplied by the US State Dept., and be honest. You may be viewed more favorably in the world, if you are honest. Your friends, the Americans, once had your freedom-fighting KLA on their terrorist list, only to drop that distinction, when they needed them to do their dirty work in KiM. The US uses and exploits separatist groups around the world, and the K Albanians are no exception. They are not your friends, Hysrterendi, they are using you while they need you - and their need for you is waning quickly. The US, and the Albanians as their accomplices, has created a global mess, with all minorities around the world with secessionist ambitions looking to the ICJ opinion as a green light for their own separatist movements. Be honest, Hysterendi, you will be viewed with greater respect, than just chirping America's tired old stories.

Skender Hyseni is only saying "We can do it but you can't." That doesn't hold water anywhere. The UDI and subsequent recognitions by those countries that allowed it did create precedent.

"You would welcome the break up of Spain"
miles

Why hold people together who want to be separated? It has nothing to do with Spain of the thirties. An independent Catalonia of some 8 million people would be just fine and economically very viable. Just look at Slovenia after the break-up of Yougoslavia.

This guy thinks he can trick Greece and Spain into recognizing kosovo on the false belief that the us will bail them out of their financial problems. Greece and Spain know that the us cannot bail itself out of the financial mess, much less them.

Why am I not surprised to read such blood lust in the previous comment? Don't worry, there will be plenty of mindless and pointless slaughter and misery to satisfy even you (ben).

As to Hyseni, here is what the Lebanon Star says about the ICJ:

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=30&article_id=117558#axzz0v3PxegTx

Ben that's an awful thing to say, it shows you have no care or consideration for human suffering or desire to prevent discord.

You would welcome the break up of Spain, with all that country has suffered in terms of regional hatred and slaughter over the years, you would have no problem in Spain breaking up to fan the flames of hatred once again just because they support Serbia's position. I do not know where to begin to analyse such an insensitive, selfish attitude. It points to the dark side of human nature.

You must be a very angry man. I wish you all the best with your future and hope you sort that out.

Ben, I think there is a thought in your comment, but it makes no sense. What does Spain deserve? What is a pity to your other muslim martyr friends? Please rewrite your post, I am curious as to what you want to say.

B92: I have been asked to give some explanation aso from an islamophobic guy here. So will you pls post my comment?

It wasn’t us that wanted to go to the ICJ.

We were saying this is a sui generis case.

It was you that wanted the "generalisation" and the "moment of truth" in the ICJ.

Now you got it.

All I hope is that ICJ can now be used by other martyr nations fighting for their freedom- as I am happy about my freedom thus I cannot deny that to other nations it would be simply immoral from my side.

Now the naive and arrogant countries that supported you Serbs in the UN GA and after that in the ICJ and wanted the "generalisation" deriving from the ICJ rule got the answer: not from us but form the ICJ itself.

Bottom line:
- we didn't wanted for the ICJ
- we didn't support the "generalisation" of the ICJ outcome

thus we bear no responsibility.

Me personally I would be very happy if the ICJ could be used by other martyr nations: Chechens, Darfur, Cataluña, Basque countries, Bosnians in Sandzak, Hungarians in Vojvodina, Bulgarians in east Serbia etc.

I sincerely hope that ICJ can help them.

You wanted the ICJ now you got it and face the consequences: dear Serbia, dear Spain...

Whoy should I care what you have stolen form your neighbours and now hide behind the “sovereignty” ???

No way.

We offered you a get a way: Kosova is sui generis case.

You said: NO it is not and ICJ will confirm this and the illegality of the UDI.

Well you are wrong. Your bet went very wrongly. Sorry for you – but honestly cannot care less since: you asked for it.

"Break-away nations are looking at Kosovo and seeing what dissaster it has become. Thanks to Serbias stubbornness the Kosovo experiment is a failure. This is what all those wanna be nations want to avoid. Mikael C"

- Hold your horses Michael.
There is plenty of time. New recognitions will start to come in due time. Have some patience!

I'm extremely sure that break-away provinces where human rights are violated would love to become 'failures' like Kosova as you put it as long as they can live free!

Slow day? This isn't even newsworthy...

Secessionist movements existed before Kosovo declared independence and they still exist afterwards. Nothing has changed since Kosovo declared independence. They're no more of a bigger threat because of Kosovo's declaration of independence. Before the 1995 enlargement of the EU, you could go to the Basque country in Spain and see EU flags with 13 stars instead of 12 because the Basque people said that they'd be the 13th member. Nothing happened and nothing will. Almost 100 countries have declared independence the same way Kosovo did. Even Serbia unilaterally declared independence from the Ottoman Empire, so why is it that only Kosovo "sets a precedent" and no-one else? Because it is not true and it is just a desperate attempt from Serbia to try and minimise recognition for Kosovo. Which secessionist movement has declared independence as a result of Kosovo? No-one, that is the answer. South Sudan is set to have a referendum on independence in 2011 however this was organised in 2005, therefore Kosovo can not be blamed as it was arranged before Kosovo declared it's independence and held it's referendum. Besides no other secessionist movement in the world as been in the same situation as Kosovo, this makes Kosovo's case unique. Anyone can declared independence, the hard part is survival and getting recognition, that is why most secessionist movements don't bother as they know they'll fail instantly. The truth is that Kosovo hasn't set a precedent.

Aleks wrote: "ARe albanian news sites really that boring that they come here? I think it is terrific!"
Well "Aco", first territory and then own the soul (newspapers etc.).

Ataman everyone prefers different things. I prefer Brazilian women. Some prefer hot nordic women. Thing is everyone prefers different things; however the preferences of a dude from the Arab countries do not hold any more weight than a dude from England for example. They are after all preferences.

Peace.

This reminds me of George Orwell - War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.

Those with the ability to engage two or more braincells simultaneously in the process of thinking will understand that what this man is saying is nonsensical and ridiculous.

@ "Ian, UK":

you´re either a hard-core k-albanian secessionist, or you simply do not get it right.

besides the fact, that only a person who ignores virtually all facts and reality can say at all that the Kosovo-case is not setting a precedent, your post shows that you do not seem to care about realistic evaluation.

the ICJ "advisory opinion" is, for those who were sceptic about this stillborn freak-creation that the k-albanians are calling "kosovah-republjik" just a sign that there is something going wrong in the western world.

not only is this pseudo-state, I´d rather call it temprarily occupied serbian territory, create as the result of an offensive war, an aggression, ...

it´s also totally depending on foreign help, economically and also militarily.

so, for every person with a litte bit of brains in their head it shoulb be clear that this is only a temporary episode.

so, better be prepared for a changing story in the future...

as for mr.Hyseni, I´d just answer: "Dream on, my dear, dream on!"

Thanks for the tip Ataman! Noted.

Re: Ian, UK's comment, is being bombed by a 19 nation military organization in contravention of international law NOT a precedent? What kind of history books did they give you at school exactly?

Still, you enjoy preaching to the converted, i.e. the whole new legion of albanian commentards and trolls that have come to B92 over the last few weeks. I'm so happy to have them here because most of them make even less sense than the regulars. ARe albanian news sites really that boring that they come here? I think it is terrific!

I just wanted to say sorry for the lousy mistakes in my previous post...

the keyboard was not working properly... and I didn´t read it again before posting.

sorry for that.

Aleks wrote: "ARe albanian news sites really that boring that they come here? I think it is terrific!"
Well "Aco", first territory and then own the soul (newspapers etc.).
(Ilyrian from Vushtrri, 2 August 2010 17:13)

Judging from the poor quality of most albanian commenters here, it will be a cold day in hell when that happens!

Of course the Serbs could declare themselves as the real descendants of the Illyrians and then problem will be solved. It is not as if the Illyrians left much behind.

See, anyone can make declarations when it is not illegal!