Radical ethnic Albanian leader arrested

i hope that Fatmir Lima & Co will join soon , i am sick of these trouble makers and THIEVES Like Fatmir Lima

What appalling comments below. Kurti has been arrested for being the head of a demonstration that was fired on by occupation troops who killed protestors. And we have a bunch of commenters rubing it in and calling him a criminal rather than the killers. Disgusting.

# Albin Kurti is the guilty ones for the death of demonstrators not the Romanian soilders.
(The Truth, 13 June 2010 12:34)

um, "the truth" -- maybe should change their name. those soldiers in fact shot and killed the demonstrators who were not threatening them or their lives. THEY are guilty at least of manslaughter (by our law) and need to stand trial. that is obvious.

as to albin kurti -- i do consider him a friend or at least a friendly acquaintance. he is extremely bright and motivated, one might say driven. about his politics i have very mixed feelings, but that does not make him a "criminal."

i firmly believe that for kurti and select others there is the added pain/ edge of having been a tortured political prisoner of serbia's (we interviewed him in detail). he could easily have died in their "nice" prisons but did not, mainly because of his amazing personal resilience and the ensuing international outcry, news of which was carried consistently by b-92. similarly with flora brovina.

yes, it is so, some things are stranger than the truth.

we will see what happens with this trial but i think it will backfire against the kosovar political establishment.

and, on a personal note, i wish our pal albin all of the best.

thanks.

robert-0
frisco

Its finny that the so-called "peaceful" members of Kurti's organization have again flipped over EULEX vehicles and made Pristina off-limits to internationals for the weekend.

Classy group they are.

THEY are guilty at least of manslaughter (by our law) and need to stand trial. that is obvious.

Roberto, you never seems to stop your rants, neither will you have the balls to answer my questions to you.

If you are saying that soldiers that shoot rioting demonstrators are guilty of manslaughter (according to US law) then what are the pilots that dropped bombs on innocent civilians on a bridge in Varvarin guilty to?
Should they also be standing trial for killing civilians or is it only soldiers that are killing albanians that should stand trial for "manslaughter"?

I don't expect an answer from you, since you obviousely don't have a common sense for right or wrong, only US interests for the moment.

The temporary institutions in KiM dont want Kurti telling The Truth about the fact that they plan on re-negotiating re-integration with Serbia, as its their only option to stay in power. Mafiosos who turn who into narco-state bureaucrats like K-Alb politicians or Arkan are ALWAYS weak nationalists who turn against national interests whenever their self-intererest is threatened.

...and one person less in Kosovo who thinks he's above the law.

Self, we are a peaceful group but when things dont go there way they turn to violence everytime. The Albos want independence but cant contain a common thug, he's a criminal and is in jail where he belongs, political arrest, hmmmmm, what a joke your not that important friend !

Albin Kurti is the guilty ones for the death of demonstrators not the Romanian soilders.

Oh, KPS managed to arrest him... after two months? Or was it three months? Or even more? Bravo!

Criminals arresting criminals..so that they can escape within a years time, only to meet his end in either Maceondia or Southern Serbia in a hail of gunfire.

Albin Kurti is a sc*mbag, he doesn't recognize the Republic of Kosovo and has made public threats hat if he had his way he'd kill all Kosovar minority of Serb ethnicity.

People blame the Romanian soldiers for shooting...well excuse me for doing their job, only KP officers take it easy, if you start throwing stones at an officers in any country in the world you would get tasered with 10,000 - 50,000 kw of electricity or a shot (not rubber bullets).

Let's wait till next election, if Vetevendosje! gets more than 10% I'll change my name to Igor.

Some police and EULEX vehicles vandalized, several policemen injured. Yes, what a "peaceful" arrest of "peaceful" Kurti.

Now I can imagine how "violent protests" of his supporters would look like. Let's better hope it won't ever happen!

I have come to the conclusion that roberto's contributions are frequently self-serving.

He repeatedly comments about his personal associations, supposed friendships and his many questionable interviews.

Roberto has gone as far as to state, "..i (roberto) think that my voice should carry at least as much weight as other journalists or investigators."

If he hungers to be taken seriously, then he should apply for a position with Koha Ditore.

Kosovo will be measured, how it deals with this case.

Roberto, you never seems to stop your rants, neither will you have the balls to answer my questions to you.
(Srboslav, 13 June 2010 22:54)

You can wait for that and grow a beard longer than of Чича Дража.
The only reason I am mad as hell at Roberto is that he did not answer a single question I asked. Everyone is free to have his opinion whatever it is - about anything. But I expect people defend their opinion. Otherwise it's not an opinion - but a religion. Sorry, Roberto.

Robert-0 writes:
"um, "the truth" -- maybe should change their name. those soldiers in fact shot and killed the demonstrators who were not threatening them or their lives. THEY are guilty at least of manslaughter (by our law) and need to stand trial. that is obvious. "

Dear Robert-zero
When a US marine with the US embassy in Bucharest killed a romanian rock singer while drunk driving,after trying to run from the scene and hiding from romanian prosecution, he walked away without even being dishonorably discharged by the USMC. By your justice system. BY YOUR (so called) LAW

On the subject:
It's all a Greater Albania vs. Ahtisaari Kosovo confrontation between the two camps in the so called West.
So, if that rioting would have gone on in 2007 and things would have rolled out that way, many have doubts that, except UK,any EU country would have recognized.

Srboslav: "If you are saying that soldiers that shoot rioting demonstrators are guilty of manslaughter (according to US law) then what are the pilots that dropped bombs on innocent civilians on a bridge in Varvarin guilty to?
Should they also be standing trial for killing civilians or is it only soldiers that are killing albanians that should stand trial for "manslaughter"?"

That seems a very reasonable question to me. But you will never get an answer, because when the law and human rights of one group becomes distorted for political purposes, you then bastardise the rights of the other.

Actually, I would go further and say that the forces quelling a riot which was directly endangering them, had firmer ground than the pilots killing civilians from 15,000 feet.

Both need full and open investigation, but now we see how selective and biased 'democracy' can be. The Kosovo Albanians just aren't used to being on the other side of the fence.

"the very fact that all serbian commentators,and b92 too describe kurti as a radical,a danger etc proves that Kurti IS a right!"
(lili, 14 June 2010 20:10)

Yes, sure! Albanian logic! And for the same reason, the Serbian Radical Party is right and has many supporters?

Albani ! Are you sure you are Albanian ? If I were you I"ll ask your dad , it is not Lima its Limaj.Albos do not make those kind of mistakes "Albani".

RKS:
“Albin Kurti is a sc*mbag, … and has made public threats hat if he had his way he'd kill all Kosovar minority of Serb ethnicity”

Where in the world did you get that extraordinary piece of misinformation from RKS? Provide a source. It is totally untrue. Actually, when he denounced the anti-Serb pogromists in 2004 some whacky Albanians denounced him as “pro-Serb”!

That said, with all my respect for Kurti, I believe he is wrong on Serb minority questions, but his point of view is not chauvinist as such. He opposes the advanced autonomy of Serb municipalities in the A Plan, not because he is against Serbs, but because he opposes ethnic partition. He believes only in municipalities that are non-ethnic based. He believes that all Kosovars – Serb, Albanian, other minorities – should simply be Kosovars, should simply be equal citizens. In theory I like that and believe he is genuine, in reality it is a fantasy world that avoid the very real division between the two main peoples caused by history, including very recent history, including how minority Serbs have suffered since 1999. Therefore I actually advocate the complete opposite of Kurti – upgrading the Serb municipalities into a federal unit of a Kosovo/a bi-national federation in exchange for complete (not “supervised”) independence.

Kurti also opposes the Serb municipalities from the point of view that he opposes all the foreign occupations of Kosovo/a, and these municipalities have direct connections to the Belgrade government. I can see his point of view here but again it is unrealistic. However, disagreeing with his views on these issues is a world away from suggesting he advocates killing the minority, or even that he has a racist view against the minority – he emphatically doesn’t, the problem is merely that his “united Kosovar citizens” is a fantasy.

Srboslav:
“If you are saying that soldiers that shoot rioting demonstrators are guilty of manslaughter (according to US law) then what are the pilots that dropped bombs on innocent civilians on a bridge in Varvarin guilty to?
Should they also be standing trial for killing civilians?”

I know that question was not directed at me, but I’ll answer anyway: Yes, they definitely should be.

"Roger ah ah ah!If you think that koha is seriously taken by albanians! Believe me if i tell you that Roberto is certainly more an albanian voice to be taken seriously than koha ditore,who is the voice of every one you want,except the voice of the albanians! "
(lili, 14 June 2010 15:19)

What a strange idea and misconception that a newspaper should be the "voice" of someone. No, a serious and professional newspaper should publish balanced facts about important things that happened, and not "voice" biased information which can easily become propaganda - you can leave that for the yellow press, some extremist websites, or to people who like to write "useful" comments here.

On February 17, of 2007, romanian UNMIK officers were pointing the rubber bullets guns (intermediate weapons) in the vital parts of the body: head (see any international TV recordings and you will notice the level of the aiming). So it was shoot to kill in purpose, and this can be justified only if shown that demonstrators were posing direct threat to the life of officers, which is not the case for that day: long range between protesters and officers, unarmed protesters. Two were killed, tens sustained wounds in the head.
Now, for us those two killed guys are just martyrs which contributed to the Kosova independence.

Go Future Prime Minister Albin Kurti !!!!! All Kosovars are going to vote for him and his activist party next year ! Get rid of Thaci!

"Albin Kurti is the guilty ones for the death of demonstrators not the Romanian soilders."
(The Truth, 13 June 2010 12:34)

No, he's not guilty for that. And he's not even accused for it. He's accused of organizing a violent protest against UNMIK. And please, guys, stop calling people who loot or vandalize police cars and throw stones "peaceful protestors". That's ridiculous and couldn't be further away from any european and civilized standards.

If he hungers to be taken seriously, then he should apply for a position with Koha Ditore.
(Roger7, 14 June 2010 12:51)

Roger ah ah ah!If you think that koha is seriously taken by albanians! Believe me if i tell you that Roberto is certainly more an albanian voice to be taken seriously than koha ditore,who is the voice of every one you want,except the voice of the albanians!
Please have a more realistic point of view,read albanian press!

lili says..."Roger ah ah ah!If you think that koha is seriously taken by albanians"

I never said that koha is credible nor did I imply that anyone should take koha seriously.

Albos do not make those kind of mistakes "Albani".
(Beni, 13 June 2010 23:51)

Beni,

That "Albos" reminds me of "k-elbows". LOL.

"so what are "k-albos"? is that the misspelling of k-elbows, again?! or just the usual racist pejorative. someone, anyone, more info, pls! such nice mediA... "

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=67125

Oh, my... the usual thing - never got any feedback about.

the very fact that all serbian commentators,and b92 too describe kurti as a radical,a danger etc proves that Kurti IS a right!

comparing vetevendosja with your extremists and Kurti with your criminels only shows how far away your are from the real situation on this area!It is not because you dare to do such comparaison that this make it true!We did not kill and did not promote segragation as many internationals do,we want equal citizens and not citizens above the laws only because they are serbs as it happens now in mitrovica,or elwere when serbs block roads,don't pay bills etc

Should they also be standing trial for killing civilians or is it only soldiers that are killing albanians that should stand trial for "manslaughter"?
(Srboslav, 13 June 2010 22:54)

You forgot to ask about Suliotes and Arvanites ( or Αρbε̰ρεσ̈ε̰ ).

What side of the Serbo-Albanian conflict are they? What does Roberto know about Αρbε̰ρεσ̈ε̰ people? Is there any conflict / animosity / hatred between Suliotes and Serbs or Arvanites and Serbs? How come they in general like each other?

And finally - what language do Suliotes and Arvanites speak? How good (or bad) is the relationship between Suliotes and Kosovo-Albanians? or Arvanites and Kosovo-Albanians? How come?

"Go Future Prime Minister Albin Kurti !!!!! All Kosovars are going to vote for him and his activist party next year ! Get rid of Thaci!
(Virgjin , Kosovo, 15 June 2010 01:26)"

Yes, go, vote for extremists - maybe you can ask the Serbs, your neighbours, for advice: They made great experience with it, last century ;-)

"...which Self-Determination stands firmly again"

'Against'?

---

Why is this group against dialogue?

Albin Kurti is the guilty ones for the death of demonstrators not the Romanian soilders.

Self, we are a peaceful group but when things dont go there way they turn to violence everytime. The Albos want independence but cant contain a common thug, he's a criminal and is in jail where he belongs, political arrest, hmmmmm, what a joke your not that important friend !

Criminals arresting criminals..so that they can escape within a years time, only to meet his end in either Maceondia or Southern Serbia in a hail of gunfire.

Oh, KPS managed to arrest him... after two months? Or was it three months? Or even more? Bravo!

Albin Kurti is a sc*mbag, he doesn't recognize the Republic of Kosovo and has made public threats hat if he had his way he'd kill all Kosovar minority of Serb ethnicity.

People blame the Romanian soldiers for shooting...well excuse me for doing their job, only KP officers take it easy, if you start throwing stones at an officers in any country in the world you would get tasered with 10,000 - 50,000 kw of electricity or a shot (not rubber bullets).

Let's wait till next election, if Vetevendosje! gets more than 10% I'll change my name to Igor.

Its finny that the so-called "peaceful" members of Kurti's organization have again flipped over EULEX vehicles and made Pristina off-limits to internationals for the weekend.

Classy group they are.

...and one person less in Kosovo who thinks he's above the law.

The temporary institutions in KiM dont want Kurti telling The Truth about the fact that they plan on re-negotiating re-integration with Serbia, as its their only option to stay in power. Mafiosos who turn who into narco-state bureaucrats like K-Alb politicians or Arkan are ALWAYS weak nationalists who turn against national interests whenever their self-intererest is threatened.

# Albin Kurti is the guilty ones for the death of demonstrators not the Romanian soilders.
(The Truth, 13 June 2010 12:34)

um, "the truth" -- maybe should change their name. those soldiers in fact shot and killed the demonstrators who were not threatening them or their lives. THEY are guilty at least of manslaughter (by our law) and need to stand trial. that is obvious.

as to albin kurti -- i do consider him a friend or at least a friendly acquaintance. he is extremely bright and motivated, one might say driven. about his politics i have very mixed feelings, but that does not make him a "criminal."

i firmly believe that for kurti and select others there is the added pain/ edge of having been a tortured political prisoner of serbia's (we interviewed him in detail). he could easily have died in their "nice" prisons but did not, mainly because of his amazing personal resilience and the ensuing international outcry, news of which was carried consistently by b-92. similarly with flora brovina.

yes, it is so, some things are stranger than the truth.

we will see what happens with this trial but i think it will backfire against the kosovar political establishment.

and, on a personal note, i wish our pal albin all of the best.

thanks.

robert-0
frisco

Some police and EULEX vehicles vandalized, several policemen injured. Yes, what a "peaceful" arrest of "peaceful" Kurti.

Now I can imagine how "violent protests" of his supporters would look like. Let's better hope it won't ever happen!

i hope that Fatmir Lima & Co will join soon , i am sick of these trouble makers and THIEVES Like Fatmir Lima

THEY are guilty at least of manslaughter (by our law) and need to stand trial. that is obvious.

Roberto, you never seems to stop your rants, neither will you have the balls to answer my questions to you.

If you are saying that soldiers that shoot rioting demonstrators are guilty of manslaughter (according to US law) then what are the pilots that dropped bombs on innocent civilians on a bridge in Varvarin guilty to?
Should they also be standing trial for killing civilians or is it only soldiers that are killing albanians that should stand trial for "manslaughter"?

I don't expect an answer from you, since you obviousely don't have a common sense for right or wrong, only US interests for the moment.

What appalling comments below. Kurti has been arrested for being the head of a demonstration that was fired on by occupation troops who killed protestors. And we have a bunch of commenters rubing it in and calling him a criminal rather than the killers. Disgusting.

Srboslav: "If you are saying that soldiers that shoot rioting demonstrators are guilty of manslaughter (according to US law) then what are the pilots that dropped bombs on innocent civilians on a bridge in Varvarin guilty to?
Should they also be standing trial for killing civilians or is it only soldiers that are killing albanians that should stand trial for "manslaughter"?"

That seems a very reasonable question to me. But you will never get an answer, because when the law and human rights of one group becomes distorted for political purposes, you then bastardise the rights of the other.

Actually, I would go further and say that the forces quelling a riot which was directly endangering them, had firmer ground than the pilots killing civilians from 15,000 feet.

Both need full and open investigation, but now we see how selective and biased 'democracy' can be. The Kosovo Albanians just aren't used to being on the other side of the fence.

On February 17, of 2007, romanian UNMIK officers were pointing the rubber bullets guns (intermediate weapons) in the vital parts of the body: head (see any international TV recordings and you will notice the level of the aiming). So it was shoot to kill in purpose, and this can be justified only if shown that demonstrators were posing direct threat to the life of officers, which is not the case for that day: long range between protesters and officers, unarmed protesters. Two were killed, tens sustained wounds in the head.
Now, for us those two killed guys are just martyrs which contributed to the Kosova independence.

"Albin Kurti is the guilty ones for the death of demonstrators not the Romanian soilders."
(The Truth, 13 June 2010 12:34)

No, he's not guilty for that. And he's not even accused for it. He's accused of organizing a violent protest against UNMIK. And please, guys, stop calling people who loot or vandalize police cars and throw stones "peaceful protestors". That's ridiculous and couldn't be further away from any european and civilized standards.

Kosovo will be measured, how it deals with this case.

Should they also be standing trial for killing civilians or is it only soldiers that are killing albanians that should stand trial for "manslaughter"?
(Srboslav, 13 June 2010 22:54)

You forgot to ask about Suliotes and Arvanites ( or Αρbε̰ρεσ̈ε̰ ).

What side of the Serbo-Albanian conflict are they? What does Roberto know about Αρbε̰ρεσ̈ε̰ people? Is there any conflict / animosity / hatred between Suliotes and Serbs or Arvanites and Serbs? How come they in general like each other?

And finally - what language do Suliotes and Arvanites speak? How good (or bad) is the relationship between Suliotes and Kosovo-Albanians? or Arvanites and Kosovo-Albanians? How come?

the very fact that all serbian commentators,and b92 too describe kurti as a radical,a danger etc proves that Kurti IS a right!

Roberto, you never seems to stop your rants, neither will you have the balls to answer my questions to you.
(Srboslav, 13 June 2010 22:54)

You can wait for that and grow a beard longer than of Чича Дража.
The only reason I am mad as hell at Roberto is that he did not answer a single question I asked. Everyone is free to have his opinion whatever it is - about anything. But I expect people defend their opinion. Otherwise it's not an opinion - but a religion. Sorry, Roberto.

I have come to the conclusion that roberto's contributions are frequently self-serving.

He repeatedly comments about his personal associations, supposed friendships and his many questionable interviews.

Roberto has gone as far as to state, "..i (roberto) think that my voice should carry at least as much weight as other journalists or investigators."

If he hungers to be taken seriously, then he should apply for a position with Koha Ditore.

If he hungers to be taken seriously, then he should apply for a position with Koha Ditore.
(Roger7, 14 June 2010 12:51)

Roger ah ah ah!If you think that koha is seriously taken by albanians! Believe me if i tell you that Roberto is certainly more an albanian voice to be taken seriously than koha ditore,who is the voice of every one you want,except the voice of the albanians!
Please have a more realistic point of view,read albanian press!

Robert-0 writes:
"um, "the truth" -- maybe should change their name. those soldiers in fact shot and killed the demonstrators who were not threatening them or their lives. THEY are guilty at least of manslaughter (by our law) and need to stand trial. that is obvious. "

Dear Robert-zero
When a US marine with the US embassy in Bucharest killed a romanian rock singer while drunk driving,after trying to run from the scene and hiding from romanian prosecution, he walked away without even being dishonorably discharged by the USMC. By your justice system. BY YOUR (so called) LAW

On the subject:
It's all a Greater Albania vs. Ahtisaari Kosovo confrontation between the two camps in the so called West.
So, if that rioting would have gone on in 2007 and things would have rolled out that way, many have doubts that, except UK,any EU country would have recognized.

Albani ! Are you sure you are Albanian ? If I were you I"ll ask your dad , it is not Lima its Limaj.Albos do not make those kind of mistakes "Albani".

Go Future Prime Minister Albin Kurti !!!!! All Kosovars are going to vote for him and his activist party next year ! Get rid of Thaci!

lili says..."Roger ah ah ah!If you think that koha is seriously taken by albanians"

I never said that koha is credible nor did I imply that anyone should take koha seriously.

"the very fact that all serbian commentators,and b92 too describe kurti as a radical,a danger etc proves that Kurti IS a right!"
(lili, 14 June 2010 20:10)

Yes, sure! Albanian logic! And for the same reason, the Serbian Radical Party is right and has many supporters?

"...which Self-Determination stands firmly again"

'Against'?

---

Why is this group against dialogue?

"Roger ah ah ah!If you think that koha is seriously taken by albanians! Believe me if i tell you that Roberto is certainly more an albanian voice to be taken seriously than koha ditore,who is the voice of every one you want,except the voice of the albanians! "
(lili, 14 June 2010 15:19)

What a strange idea and misconception that a newspaper should be the "voice" of someone. No, a serious and professional newspaper should publish balanced facts about important things that happened, and not "voice" biased information which can easily become propaganda - you can leave that for the yellow press, some extremist websites, or to people who like to write "useful" comments here.

Albos do not make those kind of mistakes "Albani".
(Beni, 13 June 2010 23:51)

Beni,

That "Albos" reminds me of "k-elbows". LOL.

"so what are "k-albos"? is that the misspelling of k-elbows, again?! or just the usual racist pejorative. someone, anyone, more info, pls! such nice mediA... "

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=67125

Oh, my... the usual thing - never got any feedback about.

"Go Future Prime Minister Albin Kurti !!!!! All Kosovars are going to vote for him and his activist party next year ! Get rid of Thaci!
(Virgjin , Kosovo, 15 June 2010 01:26)"

Yes, go, vote for extremists - maybe you can ask the Serbs, your neighbours, for advice: They made great experience with it, last century ;-)

RKS:
“Albin Kurti is a sc*mbag, … and has made public threats hat if he had his way he'd kill all Kosovar minority of Serb ethnicity”

Where in the world did you get that extraordinary piece of misinformation from RKS? Provide a source. It is totally untrue. Actually, when he denounced the anti-Serb pogromists in 2004 some whacky Albanians denounced him as “pro-Serb”!

That said, with all my respect for Kurti, I believe he is wrong on Serb minority questions, but his point of view is not chauvinist as such. He opposes the advanced autonomy of Serb municipalities in the A Plan, not because he is against Serbs, but because he opposes ethnic partition. He believes only in municipalities that are non-ethnic based. He believes that all Kosovars – Serb, Albanian, other minorities – should simply be Kosovars, should simply be equal citizens. In theory I like that and believe he is genuine, in reality it is a fantasy world that avoid the very real division between the two main peoples caused by history, including very recent history, including how minority Serbs have suffered since 1999. Therefore I actually advocate the complete opposite of Kurti – upgrading the Serb municipalities into a federal unit of a Kosovo/a bi-national federation in exchange for complete (not “supervised”) independence.

Kurti also opposes the Serb municipalities from the point of view that he opposes all the foreign occupations of Kosovo/a, and these municipalities have direct connections to the Belgrade government. I can see his point of view here but again it is unrealistic. However, disagreeing with his views on these issues is a world away from suggesting he advocates killing the minority, or even that he has a racist view against the minority – he emphatically doesn’t, the problem is merely that his “united Kosovar citizens” is a fantasy.

Srboslav:
“If you are saying that soldiers that shoot rioting demonstrators are guilty of manslaughter (according to US law) then what are the pilots that dropped bombs on innocent civilians on a bridge in Varvarin guilty to?
Should they also be standing trial for killing civilians?”

I know that question was not directed at me, but I’ll answer anyway: Yes, they definitely should be.

comparing vetevendosja with your extremists and Kurti with your criminels only shows how far away your are from the real situation on this area!It is not because you dare to do such comparaison that this make it true!We did not kill and did not promote segragation as many internationals do,we want equal citizens and not citizens above the laws only because they are serbs as it happens now in mitrovica,or elwere when serbs block roads,don't pay bills etc