Six years since March violence in Kosovo

Sad day of remembrance for Serbs in Kosovo. RIP.

On a happier note I would like to wish all my Serb friends a happy St. Patrick's day, from Ireland.

Only six years ago? And the us expects Serbia to forget that it happened and recognize kosovo. Hey, it's been 8.5 years since 9/11. Why doesn't the us forget about the World Trade Center? C'mon, osama bin laden hasn't killed 3000 americans for over 8 years now. Why can't you forgive him and move on? Or maybe you can't forgive them, but at least there should be a model of cooperation between the us and the terrorists. Right, britain?

"NATO and UN officials did not deem the violence ethnic cleansing."

Right on...

And we all remember how albanians went on tv to LIE HOW SERBS KILLED THEIR KIDS! When they knew they drowned. And they knew they were lying and what the consequences will be - and still they lied.

But guess what albos you didn't manage to ethnically cleanse all Serbs even with help of america. I bet it must really pain you.

This is one of many reasons why ethnic Albanians will never achieve independence in KiM. Terrorism during the 90s is another reason.

Until ethnic Albanians elect proper leaders willing to negotiate lasting peace and prosperity for the region, "Kosova" will remain the prison camp that it is.

19 civilians, 11 of them Albanians. However it is about 11 years since the march violence during which 10,000-12,000 Albanians were massacred.

Eleven years since Serbia's direct action lead to more then 10,000 citizens of Kosovo died.
(Pejoni, 17 March 2010 15:35)

Pejoni, Pejoni... Why K-Albanians gave all times only propaganda numbers of victims in Kosovo????

Pejoni:
1. How many bodies were found in Kosovo after war?? And how many peoples are still missing (incl. K-Serbs!!)
2. How many of them were K-Serbs killed by albanian terrorists and NATO??
3. How many Albanians were killed by terrorists from UCK??? (Don't tell me that any - becouse EULEX sentenced some terrorists for killing ALBANIANS)
4. How many Albanians in Kosovo were killed by NATO bombs (e.g. 73 killed in Đakovica)????

So Pejoni - Your mythical 10000 is nothing more - than Albanian propaganda (very nice and round number).

"NATO and UN officials did not deem the violence ethnic cleansing."

If widespread violence against one ethnic group and its property is not ethnic clensing then I don't know what is. What hypocrites the EU and the Americans are. By destroying churches and expelling Serbs the Kosovo albanians wanted to erase the proof of whom Kosovo really belongs to, thats the main reason behind these horrible and cowardly crimes. And these are the people Serbia is asked to have good relations with.
Build a wall around albanian areas and let Serbs be safe from this kind of middle age behaviour.

Eleven years since Serbia's direct action lead to more then 10,000 citizens of Kosovo died.

However it is about 11 years since the march violence during which 10,000-12,000 Albanians were massacred.
(From Windy City, 17 March 2010 10:26)
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Yes, NATO has a very good record of killing civilians. Check http://www.rte.ie/news/1999/0415/kosovo.html

Pejoni:

11 Years since albanians launched a terrorist plan to seize Serbian land. Additional shame lies at the feet of the west for allowing such as plan to materialize. 11 years since albanians figured "we can't do this alone, as we are weak and need to trick the west into fighting for us." 11 years since the west looked so strong without match, yet today it stands weak, on the verge of collapsing upon itself. 11 years and counting and the day approaches, not a matter of if, but when Serbian regains rightful ownership of it's land. KOSOVO!

Madness that we witnessed six years ago on this day, proved that albanians never wanted peace..
4000 people whose homes were burned to the ground are still waiting for international community to take responsability for enabling albanian crimes.
We`ll never forget this..

"Madness that we witnessed six years ago"
lids

"Madness" when they were more K-Albanian victimes than Serbian.

"Pejoni:
1. How many bodies were found in Kosovo after war?? And how many peoples are still missing (incl. K-Serbs!!)
2. How many of them were K-Serbs killed by albanian terrorists and NATO??
3. How many Albanians were killed by terrorists from UCK??? (Don't tell me that any - becouse EULEX sentenced some terrorists for killing ALBANIANS)
4. How many Albanians in Kosovo were killed by NATO bombs (e.g. 73 killed in Đakovica)????
(Milan, 17 March 2010 16:40)

1)About 1400 persons are still missing, 86 found in freezer truck in Danube, 115 in Batajnica, more than 650 remains given back to Kosovo authorities by Serb Authorities in the 8 years after war. In addition about 7220 dead buried in the first days after NATO entered Kosovo for the unburied bodies were littered on the ground all over Kosovo. Of course you would not know for you didn't care about the truth, add to that the Slobo propaganda and you could be blind as well.

2) 324 Serb civilians 112 armed paramiliraries, mercenaries and criminals and 71 Serb soldiers killed in Kosovo by Albanians/KLA and some by NATO.

3) All Serb collaborists whatever ethnicity were eradicated in one or another way.

4)The exact number will never be known for they were used as human shields and also their bodies were carried afterwards to places where NATO bombed to make the stories colourfull for Serb "patriots".

Do you deny the truth that came just recently when 26 Serbs are arrested for war crimes against Albanians simply because they were Albanians in CYSHK near PEC?

If you need facts let me know when you wake up.

One of the most awkward acts in the post-99 history of Kosovo, but I am satisfied that those who were involved in the killing of 8 innocent Serbs have faced and are facing justice. At the same time I am extremely disappointed that NATO did not persecute those soldiers that killed 11 innocent protesting Albanians who were mostly youths.

"Madness" when they were more K-Albanian victimes than Serbian.
Joe

So you are blaming the Serbs? How many mosques were burned down? How many albanians were expelled? You have excuses for everything.

DimTuc

Oh please! Are you seriously suggesting that the leaders of Pristina had nothing to do with an orginized attempt to rid Kosovo of its Serbs and their cultural heritage? This pogrom spread faster than lightning and was planed way in advance. How did albanians manage to get hold of explosives on such short notice? I don't doubt for a minute that there were albanians who did assist serbs and who know that this attempt to erase history would backfire on them. However, they are hostage to albanian extremists, even to this day.

Doing the same thing? In other words, here is an example of Solana calling it ethnic cleansing.
(DimTuc, 17 March 2010 17:08)

he did not call it "ethnic cleansing". he called it "the same thing". "ethnic cleansing" is your words, not his. and of course everyone in their right minds would condemn the violence and it was not good for the albanian demands for independence to see them "doing the same thing" as serbs did. it didn't fit in the black and white picture everyone was trying to paint.

you could as well cite serbian officials condemning violence committed by serbian forces as well as the fact that some serbs helped albanians back in 1999. didn't serbian soldiers bring albanian civilians to a hospital after they had been shot by serbian paramilitaries? but that doesn't fit in the black and white picture either.

and giving nato a free ride regarding their role in the yugoslav conflict = irresponsible simplification.

"Madness" when they were more K-Albanian victimes than Serbian.
(Joe, 17 March 2010 17:56)

That was an extremely ignorant comment considering the totality of the circumstances. You are way, way off. Go do some research and then talk about who had it worse off then.

(From Windy City, 17 March 2010 10:26)

(Pejoni, 17 March 2010 15:35)

very dumb and insensitive comments. or did the mob that persecuted serbs 6 years ago look for serbian war criminals? i don't think so. i am sure the mob was thinking that "60% of serbs from kosovo" committed war crimes. it is such way of thinking that made them murderers themselves. sometimes crying over your own victims is simply used to justify even more unnecessary violence.

let me remind yiou that serbs also have something from not so distant past to remember and serbian nationalists like to remind people about that. i'm sure it played a role in at least some crimes committed by serbs.

condemn these crimes or simply don't say anything.

Oh no, we are to believe that Albanians killed themselves for the love of Serbs.
(Denis, 17 March 2010 19:20)

Gani Gashi - Do You konow this name?? Yes my friend - ethnic Albanian, member of ex-UCK who was found responsible for the murder of 4 members of the Albanian Obrija family at a checkpoint on 12 July 1998.

Do You know name Rrustem Mustafa?? Yes my friend - K-Albanian, ex-UCK member sentenced for killing ALBANIANS.

Do You know names Nazif Mehmeti, Latif Gashi, Naim Kadriu???? Yes my friend - ex-UCK members, who are sentenced for war crimes against Albanians.

Do You know name Djelos Krasniqi?? Yes my friend member of ex-UCK sentenced by EULEX for killing another Albanian in 1999.

And how many of Your "heroes" are not sentenced????

"The United Nations' chief war crimes prosecutor Carla Del Ponte told the UN Security Council on November 10 that international investigators have to date unearthed 2,108 bodies in Kosovo. These were mostly ethnic Albanians, but included members of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA). Del Ponte acknowledged that there were Serbs among the dead and that her office was also looking into possible war crimes committed by members of the KLA. "We have perpetrators that are Muslims and from the KLA"

"Del Ponte's report is a blow to NATO charges that Serb forces murdered Kosovar Albanians on a scale tantamount to “ethnic genocide”.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/koso-n13.shtml

To the albanian I say one thing: no one believes your lies anymore.

"Madness" when they were more K-Albanian victimes than Serbian." (Joe)

-- Indeed. But that is the unfortunate consequence of a frenzied mob trampling their own to get to their intended targets. Most victims in riots are the rioters themselves.

Herd mentality if you ask me.

But guess what albos you didn't manage to ethnically cleanse all Serbs even with help of america. I bet it must really pain you.
(Ratko, 17 March 2010 15:05)

There is plenty of time for that now that we are in control...

Madness" when they were more K-Albanian victimes than Serbian.
(Joe, 17 March 2010 17:56)
Ha..
Hordes of over 50.000 albanians who were mad, decided to attack hopeless un armed civilians,burned 35 and destroyed 50 churches..
Please find us a better word for what albanians did on that day..

3) All Serb collaborists whatever ethnicity were eradicated in one or another way.
(MJ, 17 March 2010 20:11)

Collaborists???? No my friend - peoples LOYAL to their state. Yes - there were Albanians loyal to the Republic of Serbia.

Do you deny the truth that came just recently when 26 Serbs are arrested for war crimes against Albanians simply because they were Albanians in CYSHK near PEC?

If you need facts let me know when you wake up.
(MJ, 17 March 2010 20:11)

I know minimum 7 K-Albanians sentenced by EULEX for war crimes against K-Albanians!! Probably is much more, but for Thaci and Co - they are "heroes", so he don't want to look for them.

So Pejoni - Your mythical 10000 is nothing more - than Albanian propaganda (very nice and round number).
(Milan, 17 March 2010 16:40)

Oh no, we are to believe that Albanians killed themselves for the love of Serbs. Just like Croats did and Bosniaks bombed their own market, and killed their own kind in Srebrenica to make you "look bad" etc etc.

Man, you guys live in a complete self-denial. Even the Serbian gov and Serbian Amnesty Intl and other NGO agree not to 10K but 11.5K dead but 1.5K of these were Serbs. And here we are not counting the 1700 missing K-Alb. All these victims in a matter of 4-5 months.

In any case, you can't except to kill and not be killed. As long as K-Alb are concerned K-Serbs and Orthodox Church in Kosovo did everything they could to harm K-Alb during the 1999 war. Many K-Serbs joined the Serb military to kill and expel their neighbors.

Serb monasteries were blessing the Serbian soldiers who went on to kill and expel K-Alb and dig their mass graves.Artemije only a year or two ago wast alking about getting arms from Russia to take Kosovo back.

Serbs can't expect to kill and not get killed. If you wanted a peaceful & prosperous Kosovo you shouldn't have taken its autonomy away and sent the tanks in. It's as simple as that. So find some responsibility in yourself first and then come and hold the others responsible. When I see some remorse and sorrow from you then you will have mine as well. As of right now, you still feel you did nothing wrong, so do we.

That was an extremely ignorant comment considering the totality of the circumstances. You are way, way off. Go do some research and then talk about who had it worse off then.(Jason)

I did study this case extensively and the main points are as following:
Of 19 dead during those two days only two are Serbs. One is Roma, 5 are unidentified to this day as their bodies were not claimed by anyone. The rest are Albanians. You do the map who had it worse. If material things such as buildings, and feelings are more important to you than human life than by all means Serbs had it worse. However, we'd give all we own to have those poor souls back alive. Then again you believe Serb lives weigh more than any other.

“Only six years ago? And the us expects Serbia to forget that it happened and recognize kosovo.”

Only 11 years ago, that Serbia expelled half the Kosovar Albanian population from Kosova, killing 10,000 in the process, and Serbia expects them to forget that it happened and accept being ruled again by Belgrade?

"NATO and UN officials did not deem the violence ethnic cleansing."

I would like B92 to provide a quite for this claim. Actually UN and NATO officials were powerful in their condemnation, whatever else you may think of them. For example, in an interview with Kosova daily Koha Ditore, Javier Solana said “it is unacceptable from their side to avoid responsibility and not to respond directly vis-à-vis the burning of houses, the expulsion of people from their homes. What we have now is thousands of people expelled five years later. I want to say that it is really absurd for the people of Kosovo, five years after KFOR and the United Nations came to their aid, to be doing the same thing to other people.” Doing the same thing? In other words, here is an example of Solana calling it ethnic cleansing.

“though I would not accuse the international forces of facilitating them, I would say that they did not even take the minimum measures for protecting property and the citizens"

Really? It seems to me that, while they could have been much better for sure, they did shoot dead 11 Albanian rioters to protect Serb lives, and in such a terrible climate of those two days, I believe they did a lot to limit the human casualties. It could easily have been more than 8 Serbs killed otherwise.

“At the same time I am extremely disappointed that NATO did not persecute those soldiers that killed 11 innocent protesting Albanians who were mostly youths.” (A, 17 March 2010 10:02)

Do you have any evidence of that A? Did they really just shoot at “innocent protestors” and not at rioters engaging in acts of violence? I suggest you provide more light on this if you make such a statement.

Other points.

Hashim Thaci said “I absolutely condemn the violence. Any Kosovar who believes this is the route to independence is wrong,” (Hashim Thaci, ‘Comment: Let’s Move Forward’, IWPR, March 26, 2004). A number of top leaders, including Thaci, Rexhepi and Krasniqi, all from the PDK, actively went out to calm the crowds and tell them to get off the streets. Kosova’s leaders declared a day of mourning, as flags flew at half mast (‘Kosovo Declares Day of Mourning’, March 22, 2004, Fisnik Abrashi, Associated Press). Kosova Prime Minister Bajram Rexhepi, also of the PDK, first announced the creation of a special 5 million Euro fund to repair damage to Serb houses and churches; this was upped to 12 million. Repairs were made by the KPC. “But what we cannot repair is the lost lives,” he said. “We express our profound disturbance with the number of dead and injured in the last days and we strongly condemn the unprecedented acts of destruction of Kosovo's cultural and religious heritage.”

There were also examples of Albanians giving Serbs refuge in their homes and leaders stepping in to protect Serbs. “The Decani monastery brotherhood reported on 18 March that the mayor of Decani, Ibrahim Selmonaj of the AAK, phoned Fr Sava Janjic, the deputy abbot of the Visoki Decani Monastery, to inform him that the leadership of the municipality and the AAK, the most influential party there, were making all possible efforts to prevent the violence and damage to the monastery. Fr Sava thanked Selmonaj for his political leadership and responsibility.” (‘Kosovo & Serbia: Pristina Orthodox Priest ‘Lucky’ To Be Alive’, Branko Bjelajac, Forum 18 News Service, 19 March 2004).

Anyway, RIP innocent victiums of the pogrom, and I hope more of those responsible eventually get done. Good the atmosphere seems so different now.

It looks that Serb camp forgot to read the first paragraf of the article,here let me write it again,
"The two-day riots in Kosovo began on March 17, 2004, after UNMIK police found the bodies of two Albanian boys in the Ibar River in the village of Cabra in northern Kosovo"
time that you could get away with your crimes has long been passed.

"Madness that we witnessed six years ago"
lids

"Madness" when they were more K-Albanian victimes than Serbian.
(Joe, 17 March 2010 17:56)

Still playing chess on the "0 km" stone and counting the heads of Turul, eh?

Joe that Hungarian has redirected his Anti Serb bashing now regarding Kosovo. Now that the Hungarian President spoke of Serbia's respect towards it's minorities, ie Hungarians in Vojvodina, he still has the need to demonize Serbs.

How's the Austro Hungarian Empire doing Joe?

Thanks to Albanians here who expressed their condolences. Who did not, should think again.

@Joe: jokes aside, you should probably follow your own beliefs in libertarianism you preach somewhere else with such an energy.

Less hypocrisy = more credibility. But it's up to you.

"Ataman,
So you found postings on YouTube by our expert Joe?"
Roger7

By relying on ataman BLINDLY you made a fool of yourself. In a posting few minutes ago I explained why. The main point is that on those 2 other websites the Joe is an other Joe. You fell in the trap. In your place I would be pretty embarassed.

"Remember a few weeks ago
Joe said..."I know the French pretty well. They are nice, civilized people."

What is wrong about it? You don't know them? If that is the case you should not have any hang-up. I was in a privilaged situation.

"What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself". ~Abraham Lincoln
Roger7

I saw this quote of yours already 2-3 times. Do you know anything more from Lincoln?
And to strathen you out: whatever I wrote about myself was always as a response to you or someone. Fortunately I never had the slightest need to look for publicity.

"Madness" when they were more K-Albanian victimes than Serbian.
(Joe, 17 March 2010 17:56)
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That's because they weren't only attacking Serbians but NATO and UN personel.

Serbia is currently prosecuting war criminals and searching for a resolution on Srebrenica and other war crimes while Albanians continue to justify crime and terrorism day in day out.

You guys have a long way to go I'm afraid. Until you start searching for peace you'll be locked away in prison camp "Kosova".

MJ

Why don't you provide evidence of the number of dead? Could it be that you don't have them so you make up a number and expect people to buy your lies?

"Del Ponte's report is a blow to NATO charges that Serb forces murdered Kosovar Albanians on a scale tantamount to “ethnic genocide”."

"which concluded that NATO had dramatically exaggerated the scale of anti-Albanian violence in Kosovo."

"The figure given by the UN war crimes prosecutor came after five months of excavations at 195 sites, one third of the 529 alleged mass graves."

"still playing chess at 0 km?"
ataman

I am glad to see that you got my message 2-3 days ago. I consider most of the 150 thousand Jews in Hungary as decent Hungarians, who would have condemned your very nasty commment 2 weeks ago. You are very ungratful toward the only country (even though you have 3 different passports) who gives you permanent residence.

" May I translate some of your gems posted on Youtube?"
ataman

Wow! I never wrote on Youtube. This shows further your character.
I fully demasked you about your nasty comment, showed what you are and now you try to badmouth me with somebody else's posting. Shame on you!!

"I think, you are pretty much in the corner, aren't you?"
Ataman

Well you make yourself completely ridiculous. I can show you that you put yourself in the corner and you continued to dig yourself deeper in.

Few key points:
1. until today I never clicked on youtube.
2. until today I didn't know magellan.net
3. under magellan there is a Joe but a different one. For a long time I don't have a Hungarian passport and since my childhood I don't have a "szemelyi igazolvany" (ID card). For all these reasons I could never participate in Hungarian elections like the other Joe in magellan.net. Also in the early nineties, when I got the Hungarian passport (not valid for a long time)from the Hungarian Consulate that didn't qualify me for any vote. That passport was absolutely useless and humiliating (those who got it felt like being put in a third category)
4. when I wrote in a Hungarian forum occasionally I never used Mo as abreviation for Hungary. Also some of the words I would not use.
All this shows that you were very desperate to find some munition to badmouth me. Your problem is that you tried all this with somebody else's comments.

Do You know name Rrustem Mustafa?? Yes my friend - K-Albanian, ex-UCK member sentenced for killing ALBANIANS.

Do You know names Nazif Mehmeti, Latif Gashi, Naim Kadriu???? Yes my friend - ex-UCK members, who are sentenced for war crimes against Albanians.

Do You know name Djelos Krasniqi?? Yes my friend member of ex-UCK sentenced by EULEX for killing another Albanian in 1999.

And how many of Your "heroes" are not sentenced????
(Milan, 17 March 2010 23:23)

Rrustem Mustaf aka REMI is MP and Supreme court overturned his case. Therefore he is still inocente untill prooven guilty.

OK, Gjelosh Krasni supposedly killed one Albanian, so what.

Do you know the definition of War Crimes???

It seem as if month of March is month of riots in KS.
See the link
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3566627.ece

"Less hypocrisy = more credibility".
ataman

Look who is talking. One thing you as a foreigner can't claim anymore: being Hungarian even 1% following your recently expressed desire to see Greater Croatia or Greater Serbia start in Budapest at the 0 kilometer marker.

Ataman,
So you found postings on YouTube by our expert Joe?

Now he is another expert claiming to know Hungarians pretty well, too?

Remember a few weeks ago
Joe said..."I know the French pretty well. They are nice, civilized people."

Joe, our expert, knows some 60 million 'civilized' French and some 10 million Hungarians.

Hey Joe... "What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself". ~Abraham Lincoln

Do You know name Rrustem Mustafa?? Yes my friend - K-Albanian, ex-UCK member sentenced for killing ALBANIANS.

Do You know names Nazif Mehmeti, Latif Gashi, Naim Kadriu???? Yes my friend - ex-UCK members, who are sentenced for war crimes against Albanians.

Do You know name Djelos Krasniqi?? Yes my friend member of ex-UCK sentenced by EULEX for killing another Albanian in 1999.

(Milan, 17 March 2010 23:23)


Hey Milan, do you by a chance know the name of this here feller?

http://www.baksiden.net/bilder/kosovo3.jpg

Bettcha a dollar to a horses donut that he's the weasel that swiped my watch. Got the same cap on too!

Joe,

Who wrote that comment on Youtube - maybe Sharah Palin?
You provide the link to your youtube channel left and right.

Please explain this one:

http://tinyurl.com/ygby5zv

Entry of Feb. 25, 2010, written at 05:20 AM:

"Ezt tenyleg erdemes megnezni, talan ez a legjobb.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MagyarGondolkodo#p/u/0/rW7Z68ub-aU"

Now - we could assume that it's not your entry, but later the same day at 9:11 AM you write:

"halleluja halleluja!
Hala a magassagosnak mar egyvalaki megnezet a csuda videjomat!"

(Halleluja, thanks Almighty someone already looked at my video)

You know - this is the way a liar is being caught.

I think, you are pretty much in the corner, aren't you?

Unfortunately that "Joe" matches your profile 100%. And interestingly on this forum you did not objected to be addressed as "Mr. JH" and apparently, it's not just me who discovered the same.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=65804

"Хенел Иосифович" was my posting, but "josip henelovic" was somebody's else, no idea who - probably Szemi? For sure, someone who can read Hungarian.

At least two people found the same completely independently of each other.

Here you go with the "JH":

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=65772

I firmly think, the other person who made the discovery is Szemi.

You have 1:2 at least, sorry man and I did not talk with Szemi about it and here let everyone judge.

Joe--
Regrettably, I don’t believe you.
I trust Ataman’s intuition, research and after reading his intelligent and sincere comments on this site, he appears to be an honorable individual-a person of reason and integrity.

Let’s try a quote from Benjamin Franklin,… "A man wrapped up in himself makes a very small bundle.”

"Madness that we witnessed six years ago"
lids

"Madness" when they were more K-Albanian victimes than Serbian.
(Joe, 17 March 2010 17:56)
======================

Unbelieavable. You start the mess, end up getting hurt, more of you guys get hurt and you expect Serbs to feel sorry for you because of that.

Do you expect a victim to feel sorry for his attacker? Get real.
Why did you start this whole mess? If you ended up getting hurt then that is what you deserve. Nobody to blaim but yourselves.

being Hungarian even 1% following your recently expressed desire to see Greater Croatia or Greater Serbia start in Budapest at the 0 kilometer marker.
(Joe, 18 March 2010 00:39)

Hmmm.... Why 0 kilometer stone? That Mária Valéria bridge at Sturovo is just fine.
But I am really happy, you finally got that "sahovnica" has nothing to do with Serbia.

Congratulations.

BTW: May I translate some of your gems posted on Youtube?

"Azt pontosan tudom, hogy milyenek az emberek nagy resze Mo-n. Komplett idiotak, amit bizonyitanak az osszes hozzaszolasaitok itt:) Ezert tehat nem kell Mo-n laknom. Oszinten elmondhatom, miutan az USA-ban igen sok nemzet tagjaival volt szerencsem kommunikalni, hogy a legprimitivebb egyedeket mindig a magyarok kozott talalom."

OK, translation follows:

"I know exactly, who are most Hungarians in Hungary. Complete Idiots what your comments here do prove. Thus I don't need to live in Hungary. I can tell honestly after I had luck to communicate in the States with representatives of many nations, that I found most primitive individuals among Hungarians"

Nice comment, Joe. After this comment - how you dare to pretend to have anything to do with Hungary? Don't you have a shame?

Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/user/MagyarGondolkodo

And here is the screenshot, just in case if you delete your gem on your youtube channel.

http://tinyurl.com/ygamonb

The "gem" is at the end of the screenshot.

If all you want is to show up - than congratulations, you did.

Otherwise I am not going to tell anything about myself. Please consider me half-Romanian Gypsy, half-Russian Jew and we are happily set. Have no idea, why you are fixated on someone ethnic/religious background. Why not fixate better on the state of your own mind?

Ataman,
No doubt the two guys are the same person.Same rhetorics,style and ideas mixed with "I know it better"instructive mood.Do not be tricked by the fact the he uses some different deatails and data about his life.Not only I but a friend of mine who is involved in discussions with him on hungarian forums has the same opinion after being shown his B92 comments.
Currently due to a forearm and wrist injury I leave short comments(have a pain while typing) here but as soon as I recover I will write a longer comparison puttin some of his ideas and views from different forums next to one another.
But who knows maybe we managed to find some mental alter ego.

How's the Austro Hungarian Empire doing Joe?
(michael, 17 March 2010 21:59)

He's big and fat and he gobble, gobble, gobbles.
He spreads his wings and he gobble, gobble, gobbles.
But when Thankgiving Day comes around....
It's my turn, to gobble, gobble, gobble!

Ooops, that is about Ottoman Empire (Turkey).
But the result is essentially the same.

Better watch out, Joe how to play chess - it's easy to get checkmate.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6788/909b.jpg

translation: "this is where Hungarians are in 2007" ( = at point zero).

This the much-mentioned "zero kilometer" stone in Buda, opposite of the Chain Bridge.
It's still plain white. But it takes only a nanosecond, Joe. You close your eyes - and it's like a chessboard, what a horror. And add an other head to this guy is like 1-2-3, all we need is photoshop.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gilderic/2671434953

But if you drink a good amount of shlivovica you will see even Russian tanks in New York.

Rrustem Mustaf aka REMI is MP and Supreme court overturned his case. Therefore he is still inocente untill prooven guilty.

OK, Gjelosh Krasni supposedly killed one Albanian, so what.

Do you know the definition of War Crimes???
(Kosova-USA, 18 March 2010 07:38)
What definition had EULEX???? EULEX sentenced these ex-UCK members for war crimes (against Albanians!!) - so for me they are war criminals.

Wish you get well, Szemi - as for him/them: besides boosting of not having Hungarian citizenship but living permanently in three other major countries (one of them being USA), that fairly uncommon family name appears on the list of Transkarpathian victims, too, with absolute match (both surname and family name). It is fairly common in Hungary to name at least one child in honor of father or grandfather.

I don't think it is likely that we see two persons - way to much overlapping. We are probably finished with that topic - this site is luckily not about his or our person and probably the best is to ignore the troll permanently. This is why I am not keeping presence on any Hungarian-language site: pretty soon "we know everything better than you" immigrants appear from nowhere and verbal violence starts. Typically these sites are poorly moderated, too.

Let's go back to Serbo-Croato-Albanian topics, they are really refreshing compared with what Hungarians do between each other.

Think again, somehow you forget to mention that 90%of the sentences were suspended, I wonder why.
https://books.google.se/books?id=SNuO6AqPE8AC&pg=PA50&lpg=PA50&dq=slobodan+peric+murder&source=bl&ots=sVYK5dD_fe&sig=hpRhZJJMkGA_y53HMnF5hnw6Pyg&hl=sv&sa=X&ei=XXmPVPL3EobfywOcs4L4Cg&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=slobodan%20peric%20murder&f=false

Eleven years since Serbia's direct action lead to more then 10,000 citizens of Kosovo died.

19 civilians, 11 of them Albanians. However it is about 11 years since the march violence during which 10,000-12,000 Albanians were massacred.

One of the most awkward acts in the post-99 history of Kosovo, but I am satisfied that those who were involved in the killing of 8 innocent Serbs have faced and are facing justice. At the same time I am extremely disappointed that NATO did not persecute those soldiers that killed 11 innocent protesting Albanians who were mostly youths.

"NATO and UN officials did not deem the violence ethnic cleansing."

Right on...

And we all remember how albanians went on tv to LIE HOW SERBS KILLED THEIR KIDS! When they knew they drowned. And they knew they were lying and what the consequences will be - and still they lied.

But guess what albos you didn't manage to ethnically cleanse all Serbs even with help of america. I bet it must really pain you.

This is one of many reasons why ethnic Albanians will never achieve independence in KiM. Terrorism during the 90s is another reason.

Until ethnic Albanians elect proper leaders willing to negotiate lasting peace and prosperity for the region, "Kosova" will remain the prison camp that it is.

Only six years ago? And the us expects Serbia to forget that it happened and recognize kosovo. Hey, it's been 8.5 years since 9/11. Why doesn't the us forget about the World Trade Center? C'mon, osama bin laden hasn't killed 3000 americans for over 8 years now. Why can't you forgive him and move on? Or maybe you can't forgive them, but at least there should be a model of cooperation between the us and the terrorists. Right, britain?

Sad day of remembrance for Serbs in Kosovo. RIP.

On a happier note I would like to wish all my Serb friends a happy St. Patrick's day, from Ireland.

"NATO and UN officials did not deem the violence ethnic cleansing."

If widespread violence against one ethnic group and its property is not ethnic clensing then I don't know what is. What hypocrites the EU and the Americans are. By destroying churches and expelling Serbs the Kosovo albanians wanted to erase the proof of whom Kosovo really belongs to, thats the main reason behind these horrible and cowardly crimes. And these are the people Serbia is asked to have good relations with.
Build a wall around albanian areas and let Serbs be safe from this kind of middle age behaviour.

But guess what albos you didn't manage to ethnically cleanse all Serbs even with help of america. I bet it must really pain you.
(Ratko, 17 March 2010 15:05)

There is plenty of time for that now that we are in control...

"Madness that we witnessed six years ago"
lids

"Madness" when they were more K-Albanian victimes than Serbian.

Eleven years since Serbia's direct action lead to more then 10,000 citizens of Kosovo died.
(Pejoni, 17 March 2010 15:35)

Pejoni, Pejoni... Why K-Albanians gave all times only propaganda numbers of victims in Kosovo????

Pejoni:
1. How many bodies were found in Kosovo after war?? And how many peoples are still missing (incl. K-Serbs!!)
2. How many of them were K-Serbs killed by albanian terrorists and NATO??
3. How many Albanians were killed by terrorists from UCK??? (Don't tell me that any - becouse EULEX sentenced some terrorists for killing ALBANIANS)
4. How many Albanians in Kosovo were killed by NATO bombs (e.g. 73 killed in Đakovica)????

So Pejoni - Your mythical 10000 is nothing more - than Albanian propaganda (very nice and round number).

“Only six years ago? And the us expects Serbia to forget that it happened and recognize kosovo.”

Only 11 years ago, that Serbia expelled half the Kosovar Albanian population from Kosova, killing 10,000 in the process, and Serbia expects them to forget that it happened and accept being ruled again by Belgrade?

"NATO and UN officials did not deem the violence ethnic cleansing."

I would like B92 to provide a quite for this claim. Actually UN and NATO officials were powerful in their condemnation, whatever else you may think of them. For example, in an interview with Kosova daily Koha Ditore, Javier Solana said “it is unacceptable from their side to avoid responsibility and not to respond directly vis-à-vis the burning of houses, the expulsion of people from their homes. What we have now is thousands of people expelled five years later. I want to say that it is really absurd for the people of Kosovo, five years after KFOR and the United Nations came to their aid, to be doing the same thing to other people.” Doing the same thing? In other words, here is an example of Solana calling it ethnic cleansing.

“though I would not accuse the international forces of facilitating them, I would say that they did not even take the minimum measures for protecting property and the citizens"

Really? It seems to me that, while they could have been much better for sure, they did shoot dead 11 Albanian rioters to protect Serb lives, and in such a terrible climate of those two days, I believe they did a lot to limit the human casualties. It could easily have been more than 8 Serbs killed otherwise.

“At the same time I am extremely disappointed that NATO did not persecute those soldiers that killed 11 innocent protesting Albanians who were mostly youths.” (A, 17 March 2010 10:02)

Do you have any evidence of that A? Did they really just shoot at “innocent protestors” and not at rioters engaging in acts of violence? I suggest you provide more light on this if you make such a statement.

Other points.

Hashim Thaci said “I absolutely condemn the violence. Any Kosovar who believes this is the route to independence is wrong,” (Hashim Thaci, ‘Comment: Let’s Move Forward’, IWPR, March 26, 2004). A number of top leaders, including Thaci, Rexhepi and Krasniqi, all from the PDK, actively went out to calm the crowds and tell them to get off the streets. Kosova’s leaders declared a day of mourning, as flags flew at half mast (‘Kosovo Declares Day of Mourning’, March 22, 2004, Fisnik Abrashi, Associated Press). Kosova Prime Minister Bajram Rexhepi, also of the PDK, first announced the creation of a special 5 million Euro fund to repair damage to Serb houses and churches; this was upped to 12 million. Repairs were made by the KPC. “But what we cannot repair is the lost lives,” he said. “We express our profound disturbance with the number of dead and injured in the last days and we strongly condemn the unprecedented acts of destruction of Kosovo's cultural and religious heritage.”

There were also examples of Albanians giving Serbs refuge in their homes and leaders stepping in to protect Serbs. “The Decani monastery brotherhood reported on 18 March that the mayor of Decani, Ibrahim Selmonaj of the AAK, phoned Fr Sava Janjic, the deputy abbot of the Visoki Decani Monastery, to inform him that the leadership of the municipality and the AAK, the most influential party there, were making all possible efforts to prevent the violence and damage to the monastery. Fr Sava thanked Selmonaj for his political leadership and responsibility.” (‘Kosovo & Serbia: Pristina Orthodox Priest ‘Lucky’ To Be Alive’, Branko Bjelajac, Forum 18 News Service, 19 March 2004).

Anyway, RIP innocent victiums of the pogrom, and I hope more of those responsible eventually get done. Good the atmosphere seems so different now.

That was an extremely ignorant comment considering the totality of the circumstances. You are way, way off. Go do some research and then talk about who had it worse off then.(Jason)

I did study this case extensively and the main points are as following:
Of 19 dead during those two days only two are Serbs. One is Roma, 5 are unidentified to this day as their bodies were not claimed by anyone. The rest are Albanians. You do the map who had it worse. If material things such as buildings, and feelings are more important to you than human life than by all means Serbs had it worse. However, we'd give all we own to have those poor souls back alive. Then again you believe Serb lives weigh more than any other.

"Pejoni:
1. How many bodies were found in Kosovo after war?? And how many peoples are still missing (incl. K-Serbs!!)
2. How many of them were K-Serbs killed by albanian terrorists and NATO??
3. How many Albanians were killed by terrorists from UCK??? (Don't tell me that any - becouse EULEX sentenced some terrorists for killing ALBANIANS)
4. How many Albanians in Kosovo were killed by NATO bombs (e.g. 73 killed in Đakovica)????
(Milan, 17 March 2010 16:40)

1)About 1400 persons are still missing, 86 found in freezer truck in Danube, 115 in Batajnica, more than 650 remains given back to Kosovo authorities by Serb Authorities in the 8 years after war. In addition about 7220 dead buried in the first days after NATO entered Kosovo for the unburied bodies were littered on the ground all over Kosovo. Of course you would not know for you didn't care about the truth, add to that the Slobo propaganda and you could be blind as well.

2) 324 Serb civilians 112 armed paramiliraries, mercenaries and criminals and 71 Serb soldiers killed in Kosovo by Albanians/KLA and some by NATO.

3) All Serb collaborists whatever ethnicity were eradicated in one or another way.

4)The exact number will never be known for they were used as human shields and also their bodies were carried afterwards to places where NATO bombed to make the stories colourfull for Serb "patriots".

Do you deny the truth that came just recently when 26 Serbs are arrested for war crimes against Albanians simply because they were Albanians in CYSHK near PEC?

If you need facts let me know when you wake up.

Pejoni:

11 Years since albanians launched a terrorist plan to seize Serbian land. Additional shame lies at the feet of the west for allowing such as plan to materialize. 11 years since albanians figured "we can't do this alone, as we are weak and need to trick the west into fighting for us." 11 years since the west looked so strong without match, yet today it stands weak, on the verge of collapsing upon itself. 11 years and counting and the day approaches, not a matter of if, but when Serbian regains rightful ownership of it's land. KOSOVO!

"The United Nations' chief war crimes prosecutor Carla Del Ponte told the UN Security Council on November 10 that international investigators have to date unearthed 2,108 bodies in Kosovo. These were mostly ethnic Albanians, but included members of the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA). Del Ponte acknowledged that there were Serbs among the dead and that her office was also looking into possible war crimes committed by members of the KLA. "We have perpetrators that are Muslims and from the KLA"

"Del Ponte's report is a blow to NATO charges that Serb forces murdered Kosovar Albanians on a scale tantamount to “ethnic genocide”.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/koso-n13.shtml

To the albanian I say one thing: no one believes your lies anymore.

So Pejoni - Your mythical 10000 is nothing more - than Albanian propaganda (very nice and round number).
(Milan, 17 March 2010 16:40)

Oh no, we are to believe that Albanians killed themselves for the love of Serbs. Just like Croats did and Bosniaks bombed their own market, and killed their own kind in Srebrenica to make you "look bad" etc etc.

Man, you guys live in a complete self-denial. Even the Serbian gov and Serbian Amnesty Intl and other NGO agree not to 10K but 11.5K dead but 1.5K of these were Serbs. And here we are not counting the 1700 missing K-Alb. All these victims in a matter of 4-5 months.

In any case, you can't except to kill and not be killed. As long as K-Alb are concerned K-Serbs and Orthodox Church in Kosovo did everything they could to harm K-Alb during the 1999 war. Many K-Serbs joined the Serb military to kill and expel their neighbors.

Serb monasteries were blessing the Serbian soldiers who went on to kill and expel K-Alb and dig their mass graves.Artemije only a year or two ago wast alking about getting arms from Russia to take Kosovo back.

Serbs can't expect to kill and not get killed. If you wanted a peaceful & prosperous Kosovo you shouldn't have taken its autonomy away and sent the tanks in. It's as simple as that. So find some responsibility in yourself first and then come and hold the others responsible. When I see some remorse and sorrow from you then you will have mine as well. As of right now, you still feel you did nothing wrong, so do we.

It looks that Serb camp forgot to read the first paragraf of the article,here let me write it again,
"The two-day riots in Kosovo began on March 17, 2004, after UNMIK police found the bodies of two Albanian boys in the Ibar River in the village of Cabra in northern Kosovo"
time that you could get away with your crimes has long been passed.

(From Windy City, 17 March 2010 10:26)

(Pejoni, 17 March 2010 15:35)

very dumb and insensitive comments. or did the mob that persecuted serbs 6 years ago look for serbian war criminals? i don't think so. i am sure the mob was thinking that "60% of serbs from kosovo" committed war crimes. it is such way of thinking that made them murderers themselves. sometimes crying over your own victims is simply used to justify even more unnecessary violence.

let me remind yiou that serbs also have something from not so distant past to remember and serbian nationalists like to remind people about that. i'm sure it played a role in at least some crimes committed by serbs.

condemn these crimes or simply don't say anything.

However it is about 11 years since the march violence during which 10,000-12,000 Albanians were massacred.
(From Windy City, 17 March 2010 10:26)
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Yes, NATO has a very good record of killing civilians. Check http://www.rte.ie/news/1999/0415/kosovo.html

Madness that we witnessed six years ago on this day, proved that albanians never wanted peace..
4000 people whose homes were burned to the ground are still waiting for international community to take responsability for enabling albanian crimes.
We`ll never forget this..

How's the Austro Hungarian Empire doing Joe?
(michael, 17 March 2010 21:59)

He's big and fat and he gobble, gobble, gobbles.
He spreads his wings and he gobble, gobble, gobbles.
But when Thankgiving Day comes around....
It's my turn, to gobble, gobble, gobble!

Ooops, that is about Ottoman Empire (Turkey).
But the result is essentially the same.

Better watch out, Joe how to play chess - it's easy to get checkmate.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6788/909b.jpg

translation: "this is where Hungarians are in 2007" ( = at point zero).

This the much-mentioned "zero kilometer" stone in Buda, opposite of the Chain Bridge.
It's still plain white. But it takes only a nanosecond, Joe. You close your eyes - and it's like a chessboard, what a horror. And add an other head to this guy is like 1-2-3, all we need is photoshop.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gilderic/2671434953

But if you drink a good amount of shlivovica you will see even Russian tanks in New York.

being Hungarian even 1% following your recently expressed desire to see Greater Croatia or Greater Serbia start in Budapest at the 0 kilometer marker.
(Joe, 18 March 2010 00:39)

Hmmm.... Why 0 kilometer stone? That Mária Valéria bridge at Sturovo is just fine.
But I am really happy, you finally got that "sahovnica" has nothing to do with Serbia.

Congratulations.

BTW: May I translate some of your gems posted on Youtube?

"Azt pontosan tudom, hogy milyenek az emberek nagy resze Mo-n. Komplett idiotak, amit bizonyitanak az osszes hozzaszolasaitok itt:) Ezert tehat nem kell Mo-n laknom. Oszinten elmondhatom, miutan az USA-ban igen sok nemzet tagjaival volt szerencsem kommunikalni, hogy a legprimitivebb egyedeket mindig a magyarok kozott talalom."

OK, translation follows:

"I know exactly, who are most Hungarians in Hungary. Complete Idiots what your comments here do prove. Thus I don't need to live in Hungary. I can tell honestly after I had luck to communicate in the States with representatives of many nations, that I found most primitive individuals among Hungarians"

Nice comment, Joe. After this comment - how you dare to pretend to have anything to do with Hungary? Don't you have a shame?

Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/user/MagyarGondolkodo

And here is the screenshot, just in case if you delete your gem on your youtube channel.

http://tinyurl.com/ygamonb

The "gem" is at the end of the screenshot.

If all you want is to show up - than congratulations, you did.

Otherwise I am not going to tell anything about myself. Please consider me half-Romanian Gypsy, half-Russian Jew and we are happily set. Have no idea, why you are fixated on someone ethnic/religious background. Why not fixate better on the state of your own mind?

Joe,

Who wrote that comment on Youtube - maybe Sharah Palin?
You provide the link to your youtube channel left and right.

Please explain this one:

http://tinyurl.com/ygby5zv

Entry of Feb. 25, 2010, written at 05:20 AM:

"Ezt tenyleg erdemes megnezni, talan ez a legjobb.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MagyarGondolkodo#p/u/0/rW7Z68ub-aU"

Now - we could assume that it's not your entry, but later the same day at 9:11 AM you write:

"halleluja halleluja!
Hala a magassagosnak mar egyvalaki megnezet a csuda videjomat!"

(Halleluja, thanks Almighty someone already looked at my video)

You know - this is the way a liar is being caught.

I think, you are pretty much in the corner, aren't you?

DimTuc

Oh please! Are you seriously suggesting that the leaders of Pristina had nothing to do with an orginized attempt to rid Kosovo of its Serbs and their cultural heritage? This pogrom spread faster than lightning and was planed way in advance. How did albanians manage to get hold of explosives on such short notice? I don't doubt for a minute that there were albanians who did assist serbs and who know that this attempt to erase history would backfire on them. However, they are hostage to albanian extremists, even to this day.

Do You know name Rrustem Mustafa?? Yes my friend - K-Albanian, ex-UCK member sentenced for killing ALBANIANS.

Do You know names Nazif Mehmeti, Latif Gashi, Naim Kadriu???? Yes my friend - ex-UCK members, who are sentenced for war crimes against Albanians.

Do You know name Djelos Krasniqi?? Yes my friend member of ex-UCK sentenced by EULEX for killing another Albanian in 1999.

And how many of Your "heroes" are not sentenced????
(Milan, 17 March 2010 23:23)

Rrustem Mustaf aka REMI is MP and Supreme court overturned his case. Therefore he is still inocente untill prooven guilty.

OK, Gjelosh Krasni supposedly killed one Albanian, so what.

Do you know the definition of War Crimes???

Doing the same thing? In other words, here is an example of Solana calling it ethnic cleansing.
(DimTuc, 17 March 2010 17:08)

he did not call it "ethnic cleansing". he called it "the same thing". "ethnic cleansing" is your words, not his. and of course everyone in their right minds would condemn the violence and it was not good for the albanian demands for independence to see them "doing the same thing" as serbs did. it didn't fit in the black and white picture everyone was trying to paint.

you could as well cite serbian officials condemning violence committed by serbian forces as well as the fact that some serbs helped albanians back in 1999. didn't serbian soldiers bring albanian civilians to a hospital after they had been shot by serbian paramilitaries? but that doesn't fit in the black and white picture either.

and giving nato a free ride regarding their role in the yugoslav conflict = irresponsible simplification.

Ataman,
So you found postings on YouTube by our expert Joe?

Now he is another expert claiming to know Hungarians pretty well, too?

Remember a few weeks ago
Joe said..."I know the French pretty well. They are nice, civilized people."

Joe, our expert, knows some 60 million 'civilized' French and some 10 million Hungarians.

Hey Joe... "What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself". ~Abraham Lincoln

MJ

Why don't you provide evidence of the number of dead? Could it be that you don't have them so you make up a number and expect people to buy your lies?

"Del Ponte's report is a blow to NATO charges that Serb forces murdered Kosovar Albanians on a scale tantamount to “ethnic genocide”."

"which concluded that NATO had dramatically exaggerated the scale of anti-Albanian violence in Kosovo."

"The figure given by the UN war crimes prosecutor came after five months of excavations at 195 sites, one third of the 529 alleged mass graves."

3) All Serb collaborists whatever ethnicity were eradicated in one or another way.
(MJ, 17 March 2010 20:11)

Collaborists???? No my friend - peoples LOYAL to their state. Yes - there were Albanians loyal to the Republic of Serbia.

Do you deny the truth that came just recently when 26 Serbs are arrested for war crimes against Albanians simply because they were Albanians in CYSHK near PEC?

If you need facts let me know when you wake up.
(MJ, 17 March 2010 20:11)

I know minimum 7 K-Albanians sentenced by EULEX for war crimes against K-Albanians!! Probably is much more, but for Thaci and Co - they are "heroes", so he don't want to look for them.

"Madness" when they were more K-Albanian victimes than Serbian.
(Joe, 17 March 2010 17:56)

That was an extremely ignorant comment considering the totality of the circumstances. You are way, way off. Go do some research and then talk about who had it worse off then.

Joe that Hungarian has redirected his Anti Serb bashing now regarding Kosovo. Now that the Hungarian President spoke of Serbia's respect towards it's minorities, ie Hungarians in Vojvodina, he still has the need to demonize Serbs.

How's the Austro Hungarian Empire doing Joe?

"Madness that we witnessed six years ago"
lids

"Madness" when they were more K-Albanian victimes than Serbian.
(Joe, 17 March 2010 17:56)

Still playing chess on the "0 km" stone and counting the heads of Turul, eh?

Thanks to Albanians here who expressed their condolences. Who did not, should think again.

@Joe: jokes aside, you should probably follow your own beliefs in libertarianism you preach somewhere else with such an energy.

Less hypocrisy = more credibility. But it's up to you.

Do You know name Rrustem Mustafa?? Yes my friend - K-Albanian, ex-UCK member sentenced for killing ALBANIANS.

Do You know names Nazif Mehmeti, Latif Gashi, Naim Kadriu???? Yes my friend - ex-UCK members, who are sentenced for war crimes against Albanians.

Do You know name Djelos Krasniqi?? Yes my friend member of ex-UCK sentenced by EULEX for killing another Albanian in 1999.

(Milan, 17 March 2010 23:23)


Hey Milan, do you by a chance know the name of this here feller?

http://www.baksiden.net/bilder/kosovo3.jpg

Bettcha a dollar to a horses donut that he's the weasel that swiped my watch. Got the same cap on too!

Unfortunately that "Joe" matches your profile 100%. And interestingly on this forum you did not objected to be addressed as "Mr. JH" and apparently, it's not just me who discovered the same.

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=65804

"Хенел Иосифович" was my posting, but "josip henelovic" was somebody's else, no idea who - probably Szemi? For sure, someone who can read Hungarian.

At least two people found the same completely independently of each other.

Here you go with the "JH":

http://www.b92.net/eng/news/comments.php?nav_id=65772

I firmly think, the other person who made the discovery is Szemi.

You have 1:2 at least, sorry man and I did not talk with Szemi about it and here let everyone judge.

"Madness" when they were more K-Albanian victimes than Serbian.
Joe

So you are blaming the Serbs? How many mosques were burned down? How many albanians were expelled? You have excuses for everything.

"Madness" when they were more K-Albanian victimes than Serbian.
(Joe, 17 March 2010 17:56)
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That's because they weren't only attacking Serbians but NATO and UN personel.

Serbia is currently prosecuting war criminals and searching for a resolution on Srebrenica and other war crimes while Albanians continue to justify crime and terrorism day in day out.

You guys have a long way to go I'm afraid. Until you start searching for peace you'll be locked away in prison camp "Kosova".

Oh no, we are to believe that Albanians killed themselves for the love of Serbs.
(Denis, 17 March 2010 19:20)

Gani Gashi - Do You konow this name?? Yes my friend - ethnic Albanian, member of ex-UCK who was found responsible for the murder of 4 members of the Albanian Obrija family at a checkpoint on 12 July 1998.

Do You know name Rrustem Mustafa?? Yes my friend - K-Albanian, ex-UCK member sentenced for killing ALBANIANS.

Do You know names Nazif Mehmeti, Latif Gashi, Naim Kadriu???? Yes my friend - ex-UCK members, who are sentenced for war crimes against Albanians.

Do You know name Djelos Krasniqi?? Yes my friend member of ex-UCK sentenced by EULEX for killing another Albanian in 1999.

And how many of Your "heroes" are not sentenced????

Madness" when they were more K-Albanian victimes than Serbian.
(Joe, 17 March 2010 17:56)
Ha..
Hordes of over 50.000 albanians who were mad, decided to attack hopeless un armed civilians,burned 35 and destroyed 50 churches..
Please find us a better word for what albanians did on that day..

"Madness" when they were more K-Albanian victimes than Serbian." (Joe)

-- Indeed. But that is the unfortunate consequence of a frenzied mob trampling their own to get to their intended targets. Most victims in riots are the rioters themselves.

Herd mentality if you ask me.

It seem as if month of March is month of riots in KS.
See the link
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3566627.ece

" May I translate some of your gems posted on Youtube?"
ataman

Wow! I never wrote on Youtube. This shows further your character.
I fully demasked you about your nasty comment, showed what you are and now you try to badmouth me with somebody else's posting. Shame on you!!

"I think, you are pretty much in the corner, aren't you?"
Ataman

Well you make yourself completely ridiculous. I can show you that you put yourself in the corner and you continued to dig yourself deeper in.

Few key points:
1. until today I never clicked on youtube.
2. until today I didn't know magellan.net
3. under magellan there is a Joe but a different one. For a long time I don't have a Hungarian passport and since my childhood I don't have a "szemelyi igazolvany" (ID card). For all these reasons I could never participate in Hungarian elections like the other Joe in magellan.net. Also in the early nineties, when I got the Hungarian passport (not valid for a long time)from the Hungarian Consulate that didn't qualify me for any vote. That passport was absolutely useless and humiliating (those who got it felt like being put in a third category)
4. when I wrote in a Hungarian forum occasionally I never used Mo as abreviation for Hungary. Also some of the words I would not use.
All this shows that you were very desperate to find some munition to badmouth me. Your problem is that you tried all this with somebody else's comments.

"Madness that we witnessed six years ago"
lids

"Madness" when they were more K-Albanian victimes than Serbian.
(Joe, 17 March 2010 17:56)
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Unbelieavable. You start the mess, end up getting hurt, more of you guys get hurt and you expect Serbs to feel sorry for you because of that.

Do you expect a victim to feel sorry for his attacker? Get real.
Why did you start this whole mess? If you ended up getting hurt then that is what you deserve. Nobody to blaim but yourselves.

"still playing chess at 0 km?"
ataman

I am glad to see that you got my message 2-3 days ago. I consider most of the 150 thousand Jews in Hungary as decent Hungarians, who would have condemned your very nasty commment 2 weeks ago. You are very ungratful toward the only country (even though you have 3 different passports) who gives you permanent residence.

Wish you get well, Szemi - as for him/them: besides boosting of not having Hungarian citizenship but living permanently in three other major countries (one of them being USA), that fairly uncommon family name appears on the list of Transkarpathian victims, too, with absolute match (both surname and family name). It is fairly common in Hungary to name at least one child in honor of father or grandfather.

I don't think it is likely that we see two persons - way to much overlapping. We are probably finished with that topic - this site is luckily not about his or our person and probably the best is to ignore the troll permanently. This is why I am not keeping presence on any Hungarian-language site: pretty soon "we know everything better than you" immigrants appear from nowhere and verbal violence starts. Typically these sites are poorly moderated, too.

Let's go back to Serbo-Croato-Albanian topics, they are really refreshing compared with what Hungarians do between each other.

Think again, somehow you forget to mention that 90%of the sentences were suspended, I wonder why.
https://books.google.se/books?id=SNuO6AqPE8AC&pg=PA50&lpg=PA50&dq=slobodan+peric+murder&source=bl&ots=sVYK5dD_fe&sig=hpRhZJJMkGA_y53HMnF5hnw6Pyg&hl=sv&sa=X&ei=XXmPVPL3EobfywOcs4L4Cg&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=slobodan%20peric%20murder&f=false

"Less hypocrisy = more credibility".
ataman

Look who is talking. One thing you as a foreigner can't claim anymore: being Hungarian even 1% following your recently expressed desire to see Greater Croatia or Greater Serbia start in Budapest at the 0 kilometer marker.

"Ataman,
So you found postings on YouTube by our expert Joe?"
Roger7

By relying on ataman BLINDLY you made a fool of yourself. In a posting few minutes ago I explained why. The main point is that on those 2 other websites the Joe is an other Joe. You fell in the trap. In your place I would be pretty embarassed.

"Remember a few weeks ago
Joe said..."I know the French pretty well. They are nice, civilized people."

What is wrong about it? You don't know them? If that is the case you should not have any hang-up. I was in a privilaged situation.

"What kills a skunk is the publicity it gives itself". ~Abraham Lincoln
Roger7

I saw this quote of yours already 2-3 times. Do you know anything more from Lincoln?
And to strathen you out: whatever I wrote about myself was always as a response to you or someone. Fortunately I never had the slightest need to look for publicity.

Ataman,
No doubt the two guys are the same person.Same rhetorics,style and ideas mixed with "I know it better"instructive mood.Do not be tricked by the fact the he uses some different deatails and data about his life.Not only I but a friend of mine who is involved in discussions with him on hungarian forums has the same opinion after being shown his B92 comments.
Currently due to a forearm and wrist injury I leave short comments(have a pain while typing) here but as soon as I recover I will write a longer comparison puttin some of his ideas and views from different forums next to one another.
But who knows maybe we managed to find some mental alter ego.

Joe--
Regrettably, I don’t believe you.
I trust Ataman’s intuition, research and after reading his intelligent and sincere comments on this site, he appears to be an honorable individual-a person of reason and integrity.

Let’s try a quote from Benjamin Franklin,… "A man wrapped up in himself makes a very small bundle.”

Rrustem Mustaf aka REMI is MP and Supreme court overturned his case. Therefore he is still inocente untill prooven guilty.

OK, Gjelosh Krasni supposedly killed one Albanian, so what.

Do you know the definition of War Crimes???
(Kosova-USA, 18 March 2010 07:38)
What definition had EULEX???? EULEX sentenced these ex-UCK members for war crimes (against Albanians!!) - so for me they are war criminals.