NATO to consider more troop cuts

Tell you the truth I never see any of these soldiers, might aswell leave all together were they are needed. We have a strong police force, our professional security force is taking over security step by step, all done two year since Kosovo declared its Independence. Thanks for all your support NATO, hope one day we can return the favour.

Everyone knows that Nato's budget is being stretched thin to fight US's war in Iraq and Afghanistan. You don't need to be a genius to figure out where the numbers removed from Kosovo will be shipped to.

Knock knock "Hellas", EU wants their money back.
Pejoni

Knock knock Albania! EU want all its stolen cars back!

Knock Knock "Kosova"!
The Serbs are knocking on your "independent" door!

Only 4000, now that's 1000 more than I expected. Excellent news!

I hope those cavemen in Afghanistan aren't causing too much grief to these soldiers of "peace". Looks like "Kemp Bondstil" will be a Serbian tourist attraction sooner than expected.

Italian soldiers are very unhappy about this, Mr Rasmussen

But...but....but if we take away the K Albanians' rent-an-army away from them, how oh how are they going to wage their glorious campaign to "integrate" the north and the rest of the Serb enclaves?
(Mike, 6 February 2010 18:31)
Trust me buddy it would be much easier for as to do it if it was only for KSF, operating thugs in northern mitrovica would be shipped within 24 hour to Merdare chek point,who knows you may have to watch out too.
(arti, 7 February 2010 00:32)

Tough talk from someone who comes from a group of people who have not won anything, but had to beg and lobby for assistance from others. Albanians should not talk about their fighting prowess when they have done nothing to prove it.

KSF can handle problems in Kosovo. Thanks Nato for the time you have shared for us citizens of Kosovo. We will allways be in debt to Nato, US and EU.

But...but....but if we take away the K Albanians' rent-an-army away from them, how oh how are they going to wage their glorious campaign to "integrate" the north and the rest of the Serb enclaves?

arti, I'm quite sure what you believe is the common sentiment felt among most of the twenty-something workers in the breakrooms of Albanian pizza parlors in Brooklyn, but remember you're going up against a region in which VS could reach the banks of the Ibar in less than 24 hours. And I seem to recall the last time you guys started a conflict, NATO had to step in quickly to keep whatever Albanians in Kosovo were left from fleeing with those that did. If you want to flex your collective nuts, you first need to have them.

Italian soldiers are very unhappy about this, Mr Rasmussen
(Gustave, 6 February 2010 10:09)
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Yep, running away from a mob of ethnic Albanians determined to destroy a church is a piece of cake.

Running away from Taliban cavemen determined to destroy you is a different game, right? Maybe they should take some "soldiers" from the "Kosova army" to help. However, it wouldn't be fair to keep them unarmed although they wouldn't need weapons for mine sweeping duty.

(pyrros, 6 February 2010 10:18)

Knock knock "Hellas", EU wants their money back.

Arti, if you were in Kosovo in 1999, you'd know how brutal war is and continues to be when driven by ideological nationalism. And while you can sit there and praise the deeds of Skanderbeg, you should also understand that every Balkan ethnicity has/had their "Skanderbeg". But one folk hero who ended up being little more than a speed bump for the Ottomans is not enough to justify saying your ethnicity is somehow morally, culturally, or historically better than the others. And as far as the present situation goes, Skanderbeg (who if I remember originally collaborated and converted to Islam before converting back to Christianity) is long dead and his legacy has certainly not endured among his descendents who “sugarcoated” far more deals with the Ottomans than anyone else. But nevermind semantics. They usually get in the way of selective memories.

Your suggestion of bringing law and order to a region of Kosovo you believe to be lawless is highly interpretive, and what's more extremely problematic. This was the same rationale thought by Milosevic and his supporters prior to 1999. Your "thugs" are their "elected leaders" and vice versa. What you boast is *exactly* the same thing Slobo's supporters proposed 10 years ago and look at where it got them. You can't possibly think with any significant degree of rationality that what you plan to offer/impose on the north or any of the enclaves is better than what they have, or want; especially if it’s coming from a government that is itself a problematic case of corruption, political dysfunctionality, economic inefficiency, and social hierarchy. It also discounts the assumption that the Serbs won't fight back openly or clandestinely, as Albanians clearly and successfully did since 1981. So regardless of what or where you were 10 years ago, it seems from what you write that you haven't learned anything because you still seem to believe your projected military incursions are somehow more justified than someone else's. I really don’t know what accomplishments you wish to achieve with an army you don’t have and an ideology that’s 10 – 15 years behind everyone else. To me, this reflects the shoot first ask questions later mentality of those who can think such things from the safety and insularity of their pizzeria breakrooms.

And if you've been reading my posts, you'd know that I'm not a Serb but American. There's not a drop of Serbian blood in me. I’m all in favor of a substantive compromise between both sides, but I absolutely detest hypernationalism with little to back itself up on – Serb, Albanian, American, whatever. It’s a waste of time and an obstacle for progress and development.

sounds like Serbian forces will performing peacekeeping duties in Kosovo if they join NATO. Let me guess UCK will attack a NATO memeber? This circus gets better every day LOL

It does not matter how many soldiers Nato has in Kosovo really, the memory of 1999 is worth 100,000 peacekeepers.

Furthermore, unlike 1999 where the Serbian army had a well established infrastructure in Kosova, and considering that the Kosovar Albanians had been disarmed for decades, the situation on the ground now is much much different.

In the war of 1998-9 the Serbs had detailed knowledge of the terrain & an enourmous ammount of help from local serbs.

To obtain Kosovo militarely, Serbia would have to launch a full scale military invasion with tens if not a hundred thousand soldiers against a well armed population of 2 million people with an open border with Albania to obtain more amrs + 5,000 armed policemen, 2,500 Nato Trained soldiers.

Mos important of all, the fear of the Kosovar Albanians who have tasted freedom is now gone.

The reason for NATO door to be wide open for Serbia granting it a speedy acceptance, is the secret plan to send Serbs military forces (under the name of NATO) to "Kosova" ASAP

EU gave the money to Greece, because we belong to their system for over 200 years.
You belong to them for less than 10 years, and i dont see their system too healthy.
Hellas is doomed to survive no matter what the cost might be.
(i cant say the same for Albanian-dom)

Its already great when an unwelcomed guest decides to finally leave on his own, don't let the door hit you on the way out!

But...but....but if we take away the K Albanians' rent-an-army away from them, how oh how are they going to wage their glorious campaign to "integrate" the north and the rest of the Serb enclaves?
(Mike, 6 February 2010 18:31)
Trust me buddy it would be much easier for as to do it if it was only for KSF, operating thugs in northern mitrovica would be shipped within 24 hour to Merdare chek point,who knows you may have to watch out too.

And if you've been reading my posts, you'd know that I'm not a Serb but American. There's not a drop of Serbian blood in me. I’m all in favor of a substantive compromise between both sides, but I absolutely detest hypernationalism with little to back itself up on – Serb, Albanian, American, whatever. It’s a waste of time and an obstacle for progress and development.
(Mike, 7 February 2010 20:14)

Mike in all my time here I have yet to see you condemn Serb nationalism. You've been laying all the blame on the Albanians for what goes on in Kosova, hardly the behavior of an "impartial observant."

Reading between the lines ' Now all the Serbs have been cleansed we can leave'

Zoti, Are you saying that there are not sufficient Albanian voices on this board to get their point of view across ?

Dear Mike,in my opinion it doesn't matter how a war it's won,I wish all the wars would exist as diplomacy wars as the one you're sugesting by flexing muscles to each other,when it comes to force If I may remember you that it was Albanias lead from Gjergj Kastrioti (Skenderbeu) that fought the otomans for 35 years while your beloved Serbia was sugarcoting deals with them in expense of it's neigbhors,and we paid a hefty price for that,about a third of the population had to flee in Italy and others hide deep in the mountains,also keeping slavic expansion population in it's current borders since 7th century it is quite an achivement for a small country like as.
Back to the subject,I never sugested anything elese but restoring law and order in this part of Kosova/o,it seems like you're very upset and opossed to the idea of clearing N Kosova/o from current thug anarchy,perhaps is there something you want to tell as ? please feel free,I'm all ears,and as far as the nut case you were blubering about I was in Kosova/o in 1999 and not in a Broklyn pizza parlor.

'Tough talk from someone who comes from a group of people who have not won anything, but had to beg and lobby for assistance from others. Albanians should not talk about their fighting prowess when they have done nothing to prove it.
(Jason, 7 February 2010 11:58) '

Mmm, Jason, this sounds particularly silly coming from an American. Do you remember our own glorious Revolution? In which we lost most battles - especially those we fought on our own - but won the war, but only with extensive help from abroad. France probably contributed the most (it had designs on all of what is now the continental U.S. except for the seaboard states), but also Spain and the Netherlands. If the war had gone on longer, Russia might have gotten into it, too.

And all to help a bunch of disloyal citizens of a sovereign nation who treated smuggling as a God-given right and who applied coatings of tar-and-feathers to upstanding, loyal-to-the-crown citizens who didn't have the sense to leave the country. In time - many of them did, after the war.

Are you sure you don't see any similarities here?

Mike in all my time here I have yet to see you condemn Serb nationalism. You've been laying all the blame on the Albanians for what goes on in Kosova, hardly the behavior of an "impartial observant."
(Zoti, 8 February 2010 16:27)
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Could it be because that's where the blame lies?

KSF can handle problems in Kosovo. Thanks Nato for the time you have shared for us citizens of Kosovo. We will allways be in debt to Nato, US and EU.

Knock Knock "Kosova"!
The Serbs are knocking on your "independent" door!

Tell you the truth I never see any of these soldiers, might aswell leave all together were they are needed. We have a strong police force, our professional security force is taking over security step by step, all done two year since Kosovo declared its Independence. Thanks for all your support NATO, hope one day we can return the favour.

Only 4000, now that's 1000 more than I expected. Excellent news!

I hope those cavemen in Afghanistan aren't causing too much grief to these soldiers of "peace". Looks like "Kemp Bondstil" will be a Serbian tourist attraction sooner than expected.

(pyrros, 6 February 2010 10:18)

Knock knock "Hellas", EU wants their money back.

Knock knock "Hellas", EU wants their money back.
Pejoni

Knock knock Albania! EU want all its stolen cars back!

It does not matter how many soldiers Nato has in Kosovo really, the memory of 1999 is worth 100,000 peacekeepers.

Furthermore, unlike 1999 where the Serbian army had a well established infrastructure in Kosova, and considering that the Kosovar Albanians had been disarmed for decades, the situation on the ground now is much much different.

In the war of 1998-9 the Serbs had detailed knowledge of the terrain & an enourmous ammount of help from local serbs.

To obtain Kosovo militarely, Serbia would have to launch a full scale military invasion with tens if not a hundred thousand soldiers against a well armed population of 2 million people with an open border with Albania to obtain more amrs + 5,000 armed policemen, 2,500 Nato Trained soldiers.

Mos important of all, the fear of the Kosovar Albanians who have tasted freedom is now gone.

Dear Mike,in my opinion it doesn't matter how a war it's won,I wish all the wars would exist as diplomacy wars as the one you're sugesting by flexing muscles to each other,when it comes to force If I may remember you that it was Albanias lead from Gjergj Kastrioti (Skenderbeu) that fought the otomans for 35 years while your beloved Serbia was sugarcoting deals with them in expense of it's neigbhors,and we paid a hefty price for that,about a third of the population had to flee in Italy and others hide deep in the mountains,also keeping slavic expansion population in it's current borders since 7th century it is quite an achivement for a small country like as.
Back to the subject,I never sugested anything elese but restoring law and order in this part of Kosova/o,it seems like you're very upset and opossed to the idea of clearing N Kosova/o from current thug anarchy,perhaps is there something you want to tell as ? please feel free,I'm all ears,and as far as the nut case you were blubering about I was in Kosova/o in 1999 and not in a Broklyn pizza parlor.

Italian soldiers are very unhappy about this, Mr Rasmussen
(Gustave, 6 February 2010 10:09)
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Yep, running away from a mob of ethnic Albanians determined to destroy a church is a piece of cake.

Running away from Taliban cavemen determined to destroy you is a different game, right? Maybe they should take some "soldiers" from the "Kosova army" to help. However, it wouldn't be fair to keep them unarmed although they wouldn't need weapons for mine sweeping duty.

But...but....but if we take away the K Albanians' rent-an-army away from them, how oh how are they going to wage their glorious campaign to "integrate" the north and the rest of the Serb enclaves?
(Mike, 6 February 2010 18:31)
Trust me buddy it would be much easier for as to do it if it was only for KSF, operating thugs in northern mitrovica would be shipped within 24 hour to Merdare chek point,who knows you may have to watch out too.

Everyone knows that Nato's budget is being stretched thin to fight US's war in Iraq and Afghanistan. You don't need to be a genius to figure out where the numbers removed from Kosovo will be shipped to.

But...but....but if we take away the K Albanians' rent-an-army away from them, how oh how are they going to wage their glorious campaign to "integrate" the north and the rest of the Serb enclaves?

Its already great when an unwelcomed guest decides to finally leave on his own, don't let the door hit you on the way out!

Italian soldiers are very unhappy about this, Mr Rasmussen

EU gave the money to Greece, because we belong to their system for over 200 years.
You belong to them for less than 10 years, and i dont see their system too healthy.
Hellas is doomed to survive no matter what the cost might be.
(i cant say the same for Albanian-dom)

The reason for NATO door to be wide open for Serbia granting it a speedy acceptance, is the secret plan to send Serbs military forces (under the name of NATO) to "Kosova" ASAP

But...but....but if we take away the K Albanians' rent-an-army away from them, how oh how are they going to wage their glorious campaign to "integrate" the north and the rest of the Serb enclaves?
(Mike, 6 February 2010 18:31)
Trust me buddy it would be much easier for as to do it if it was only for KSF, operating thugs in northern mitrovica would be shipped within 24 hour to Merdare chek point,who knows you may have to watch out too.
(arti, 7 February 2010 00:32)

Tough talk from someone who comes from a group of people who have not won anything, but had to beg and lobby for assistance from others. Albanians should not talk about their fighting prowess when they have done nothing to prove it.

And if you've been reading my posts, you'd know that I'm not a Serb but American. There's not a drop of Serbian blood in me. I’m all in favor of a substantive compromise between both sides, but I absolutely detest hypernationalism with little to back itself up on – Serb, Albanian, American, whatever. It’s a waste of time and an obstacle for progress and development.
(Mike, 7 February 2010 20:14)

Mike in all my time here I have yet to see you condemn Serb nationalism. You've been laying all the blame on the Albanians for what goes on in Kosova, hardly the behavior of an "impartial observant."

arti, I'm quite sure what you believe is the common sentiment felt among most of the twenty-something workers in the breakrooms of Albanian pizza parlors in Brooklyn, but remember you're going up against a region in which VS could reach the banks of the Ibar in less than 24 hours. And I seem to recall the last time you guys started a conflict, NATO had to step in quickly to keep whatever Albanians in Kosovo were left from fleeing with those that did. If you want to flex your collective nuts, you first need to have them.

sounds like Serbian forces will performing peacekeeping duties in Kosovo if they join NATO. Let me guess UCK will attack a NATO memeber? This circus gets better every day LOL

'Tough talk from someone who comes from a group of people who have not won anything, but had to beg and lobby for assistance from others. Albanians should not talk about their fighting prowess when they have done nothing to prove it.
(Jason, 7 February 2010 11:58) '

Mmm, Jason, this sounds particularly silly coming from an American. Do you remember our own glorious Revolution? In which we lost most battles - especially those we fought on our own - but won the war, but only with extensive help from abroad. France probably contributed the most (it had designs on all of what is now the continental U.S. except for the seaboard states), but also Spain and the Netherlands. If the war had gone on longer, Russia might have gotten into it, too.

And all to help a bunch of disloyal citizens of a sovereign nation who treated smuggling as a God-given right and who applied coatings of tar-and-feathers to upstanding, loyal-to-the-crown citizens who didn't have the sense to leave the country. In time - many of them did, after the war.

Are you sure you don't see any similarities here?

Arti, if you were in Kosovo in 1999, you'd know how brutal war is and continues to be when driven by ideological nationalism. And while you can sit there and praise the deeds of Skanderbeg, you should also understand that every Balkan ethnicity has/had their "Skanderbeg". But one folk hero who ended up being little more than a speed bump for the Ottomans is not enough to justify saying your ethnicity is somehow morally, culturally, or historically better than the others. And as far as the present situation goes, Skanderbeg (who if I remember originally collaborated and converted to Islam before converting back to Christianity) is long dead and his legacy has certainly not endured among his descendents who “sugarcoated” far more deals with the Ottomans than anyone else. But nevermind semantics. They usually get in the way of selective memories.

Your suggestion of bringing law and order to a region of Kosovo you believe to be lawless is highly interpretive, and what's more extremely problematic. This was the same rationale thought by Milosevic and his supporters prior to 1999. Your "thugs" are their "elected leaders" and vice versa. What you boast is *exactly* the same thing Slobo's supporters proposed 10 years ago and look at where it got them. You can't possibly think with any significant degree of rationality that what you plan to offer/impose on the north or any of the enclaves is better than what they have, or want; especially if it’s coming from a government that is itself a problematic case of corruption, political dysfunctionality, economic inefficiency, and social hierarchy. It also discounts the assumption that the Serbs won't fight back openly or clandestinely, as Albanians clearly and successfully did since 1981. So regardless of what or where you were 10 years ago, it seems from what you write that you haven't learned anything because you still seem to believe your projected military incursions are somehow more justified than someone else's. I really don’t know what accomplishments you wish to achieve with an army you don’t have and an ideology that’s 10 – 15 years behind everyone else. To me, this reflects the shoot first ask questions later mentality of those who can think such things from the safety and insularity of their pizzeria breakrooms.

And if you've been reading my posts, you'd know that I'm not a Serb but American. There's not a drop of Serbian blood in me. I’m all in favor of a substantive compromise between both sides, but I absolutely detest hypernationalism with little to back itself up on – Serb, Albanian, American, whatever. It’s a waste of time and an obstacle for progress and development.

Reading between the lines ' Now all the Serbs have been cleansed we can leave'

Zoti, Are you saying that there are not sufficient Albanian voices on this board to get their point of view across ?

Mike in all my time here I have yet to see you condemn Serb nationalism. You've been laying all the blame on the Albanians for what goes on in Kosova, hardly the behavior of an "impartial observant."
(Zoti, 8 February 2010 16:27)
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Could it be because that's where the blame lies?