Russian envoy on plan for northern Kosovo

The Russian ambassador is doing nothing more or less but just expressing his will to frustrate the peace and stability in the region. The integration of northern Mitrovica and whole Kosova should be completed as soon as it is practicable. Russia has lost its moral right to talk about international issues with the confilict in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

He said that negotiations for Kosovo’s status should continue once the International Court of Justice gives its opinion on the legality of Kosovo’s unilaterally proclaimed independence.


Either way that opinion is none biding, so what is there to negotiate/ K-Albanians did not ask for this opinion. It is the Serbs that ask for it, and when ICJ rules against Serbia, they have to respect that, on the other hand Albanians don't haver to since they did not ask for it.

Either way that opinion is none biding, so what is there to negotiate/ K-Albanians did not ask for this opinion. It is the Serbs that ask for it, and when ICJ rules against Serbia, they have to respect that, on the other hand Albanians don't haver to since they did not ask for it.
(Kosova-USA, 31 January 2010 18:15)
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You sound just like a bank robber who got caught. It you take me to court and the court find there is not enough evidence then you must respect the court's decision, but on the other hand if the court rules against me I don't have to respect it because I didn't want to go to court in the firs place.

The law must be respected regardless of who takes whom to court.

@KosovoUSA

yes the Albanians have to respect the opinion of the ICJ for the simple fact that they are taking part in the proceedings. They are trying to prove something by going along with it so they must respect the fact the attempted independence by Albanians was illegal.

It seems to me that the ICJ must rule in favour of independance for there to be any chance of independance. Any other result means the end of independance as anyone defines it. Those against independance will have every right to block if the conclusion is ambiguous.

I ask the Albanians what they want? How they see Kosovo? Stop and think clearly about my questions.

You simply cannot have independance as a state with a flag at the UN, in the Council of Europe, at the World Cup, in the Olympic Games without approval from Serbia and that is never going to happen under the system of international law and organisations we have at the moment.

Your best hope is if Serbia can be blackmailed into letting Kosovo go, but if Serbia does not take up the blackmail then maybe eventually the blackmail will be directed at the Kosovan Albanian leadership.


So what are you dreaming of? Surely the only way forward is to talk to Belgrade along the lines of autonomy within the Serbian state..you can have your own number plates, your own badges and maybe an EU passport of some kind can be invented for you. Actually you could probably have your own football team, over here we have Wales, Scotland and England.

Live and let live. Stop trying to steal Serbian land and impose solutions. Compromise is the only way forward.

So, Russia appears amenable to a solution based on partition. Once again, this has always been the most logical option. If Moscow is acknowledging it as an option so openly, it would seem that Belgrade might be willing to accept it under the right circumstances. I wonder if the KAs will be willing to take what could be their best way to full recognition - or will they still continue to insist on the integration of the north, despite the fact that this has a little chance of success as their reintegration into Serbia. Let's see if, for once in this whole sorry tale, reason prevails on all sides.

"Russian stance that Resolution 1244 should be the basis for the negotiation process for the future status of Kosovo."

It was, (nearly after 13 months of discussion) lead to the Contact Group (including a Russian representative) on 20 September 2006 to endorse Ahtisaari's plans to develop a comprehensive proposal for a status settlement.

Then,

On 2 February 2007, UN Special Envoy Martti Ahtisaari delivered to Belgrade and Pristina a draft status settlement proposal, covering a wide range of issues related to Kosovo's future, in particular measures to protect Kosovo's non-Albanian communities.

Then,

The United States, United Kingdom and other European members of the Security Council formally 'discarded' a draft resolution backing Ahtisaari's proposal on 20 July 2007 ---- failing only due to a RUSSIAN VETO in the UNSC.

These words are coming from a person whose country made a swiss cheese looking town out of capital of Chechnya, reacted militarily in support of South Ossetia and Abkhazia's secession from a sovereign and worldwide recognized democracy-Georgia, which didn't repress, rape, kill, and expell its own citizens. Let's apply the principles of Russian military excursion into Georgia to the NATO intervention in Kosovo. What he should have said? Or better yet, why doesn't he keep quiet.

It was wrong step when Russia withdrew their soldiers from Kosovo. They should stopped arrogancy of mr Thaci or mr Feith.

The integration of northern Mitrovica and whole Kosova should be completed as soon as it is practicable.
(EA, 31 January 2010 17:55)

How? Listen to music and look past the end, at 3:52 - do you see what I see there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-4YNNawU_A

The law must be respected regardless of who takes whom to court.
(Peggy, 31 January 2010 21:11)
Remember you said this. it may come back to haunt you.
However, your analogy has nothing to do with the situation.
(pss, 1 February 2010 11:38)

It has nothing to do with the situation? How so?

Ataman,

Sincerely I don't speak any Serbian so you tell us what you really meant with the link. Did you really mean how modern and fast the Serbian trains are?))

Thanks for your offer but NO!

The law must be respected regardless of who takes whom to court.
(Peggy, 31 January 2010 21:11)
Remember you said this. it may come back to haunt you.
However, your analogy has nothing to do with the situation.

It has nothing to do with the situation? How so?
(Peggy, 1 February 2010 21:16)
Robbing a bank is established as a crime, the question here is did the person arrested commit the crime and if so to bestow a punishment on him. The accused has no choice but to abide by the decision of the court. (Like Karadzic, he may claim the court is not valid and refuse to abide by its decision, but if convicted he will serve his penalty.
IN this case, Serbia is asking for an "opinion" if the act is indeed illegal, in which they are also saying that if the courts opinion does not support the interests of Serbia it will not honor it.
Even if the court opinions that the actions were illegal there is no judgment and no punishment.
The ICJ is more like an arbitration, however for an arbitration both parties have to request and agree to abide by the decision. IN this case only one side requested the action and both sides have already made the statement they will not honor a decision not in their favor. And there will be no organization, official, or other entity that will force either side to accept the opinion given.
I think we all know 100% that you have no intention of accepting any opinion given that is not totally in support of the Serbian position, so why criticize others for the same thing?

"I think we all know 100% that you have no intention of accepting any opinion given that is not totally in support of the Serbian position, so why criticize others for the same thing?"
(pss, 2 February 2010 04:29)
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If my asking a question was critisism then I am critical.

Now you say that you guys don't have to accept anything handed down by ICJ because you didn't ask for it is still not good enough. You may not want to accept it or even go down kicking and screaming but you will have to accept it because the world will be mindful of what ICJ says and they will treat you accordingly.

When Serbia doesn't get told that they must vacate Kosovo as it is legally Albanian now, it can only mean one thing. That is, that Kosovo is part of Serba.
It's one or the other. It cannot possibly be legal and illegal at the same time.

He said that negotiations for Kosovo’s status should continue once the International Court of Justice gives its opinion on the legality of Kosovo’s unilaterally proclaimed independence.


Either way that opinion is none biding, so what is there to negotiate/ K-Albanians did not ask for this opinion. It is the Serbs that ask for it, and when ICJ rules against Serbia, they have to respect that, on the other hand Albanians don't haver to since they did not ask for it.

The Russian ambassador is doing nothing more or less but just expressing his will to frustrate the peace and stability in the region. The integration of northern Mitrovica and whole Kosova should be completed as soon as it is practicable. Russia has lost its moral right to talk about international issues with the confilict in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

So, Russia appears amenable to a solution based on partition. Once again, this has always been the most logical option. If Moscow is acknowledging it as an option so openly, it would seem that Belgrade might be willing to accept it under the right circumstances. I wonder if the KAs will be willing to take what could be their best way to full recognition - or will they still continue to insist on the integration of the north, despite the fact that this has a little chance of success as their reintegration into Serbia. Let's see if, for once in this whole sorry tale, reason prevails on all sides.

"Russian stance that Resolution 1244 should be the basis for the negotiation process for the future status of Kosovo."

It was, (nearly after 13 months of discussion) lead to the Contact Group (including a Russian representative) on 20 September 2006 to endorse Ahtisaari's plans to develop a comprehensive proposal for a status settlement.

Then,

On 2 February 2007, UN Special Envoy Martti Ahtisaari delivered to Belgrade and Pristina a draft status settlement proposal, covering a wide range of issues related to Kosovo's future, in particular measures to protect Kosovo's non-Albanian communities.

Then,

The United States, United Kingdom and other European members of the Security Council formally 'discarded' a draft resolution backing Ahtisaari's proposal on 20 July 2007 ---- failing only due to a RUSSIAN VETO in the UNSC.

Either way that opinion is none biding, so what is there to negotiate/ K-Albanians did not ask for this opinion. It is the Serbs that ask for it, and when ICJ rules against Serbia, they have to respect that, on the other hand Albanians don't haver to since they did not ask for it.
(Kosova-USA, 31 January 2010 18:15)
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You sound just like a bank robber who got caught. It you take me to court and the court find there is not enough evidence then you must respect the court's decision, but on the other hand if the court rules against me I don't have to respect it because I didn't want to go to court in the firs place.

The law must be respected regardless of who takes whom to court.

These words are coming from a person whose country made a swiss cheese looking town out of capital of Chechnya, reacted militarily in support of South Ossetia and Abkhazia's secession from a sovereign and worldwide recognized democracy-Georgia, which didn't repress, rape, kill, and expell its own citizens. Let's apply the principles of Russian military excursion into Georgia to the NATO intervention in Kosovo. What he should have said? Or better yet, why doesn't he keep quiet.

@KosovoUSA

yes the Albanians have to respect the opinion of the ICJ for the simple fact that they are taking part in the proceedings. They are trying to prove something by going along with it so they must respect the fact the attempted independence by Albanians was illegal.

The law must be respected regardless of who takes whom to court.
(Peggy, 31 January 2010 21:11)
Remember you said this. it may come back to haunt you.
However, your analogy has nothing to do with the situation.

Ataman,

Sincerely I don't speak any Serbian so you tell us what you really meant with the link. Did you really mean how modern and fast the Serbian trains are?))

Thanks for your offer but NO!

It seems to me that the ICJ must rule in favour of independance for there to be any chance of independance. Any other result means the end of independance as anyone defines it. Those against independance will have every right to block if the conclusion is ambiguous.

I ask the Albanians what they want? How they see Kosovo? Stop and think clearly about my questions.

You simply cannot have independance as a state with a flag at the UN, in the Council of Europe, at the World Cup, in the Olympic Games without approval from Serbia and that is never going to happen under the system of international law and organisations we have at the moment.

Your best hope is if Serbia can be blackmailed into letting Kosovo go, but if Serbia does not take up the blackmail then maybe eventually the blackmail will be directed at the Kosovan Albanian leadership.


So what are you dreaming of? Surely the only way forward is to talk to Belgrade along the lines of autonomy within the Serbian state..you can have your own number plates, your own badges and maybe an EU passport of some kind can be invented for you. Actually you could probably have your own football team, over here we have Wales, Scotland and England.

Live and let live. Stop trying to steal Serbian land and impose solutions. Compromise is the only way forward.

It was wrong step when Russia withdrew their soldiers from Kosovo. They should stopped arrogancy of mr Thaci or mr Feith.

It has nothing to do with the situation? How so?
(Peggy, 1 February 2010 21:16)
Robbing a bank is established as a crime, the question here is did the person arrested commit the crime and if so to bestow a punishment on him. The accused has no choice but to abide by the decision of the court. (Like Karadzic, he may claim the court is not valid and refuse to abide by its decision, but if convicted he will serve his penalty.
IN this case, Serbia is asking for an "opinion" if the act is indeed illegal, in which they are also saying that if the courts opinion does not support the interests of Serbia it will not honor it.
Even if the court opinions that the actions were illegal there is no judgment and no punishment.
The ICJ is more like an arbitration, however for an arbitration both parties have to request and agree to abide by the decision. IN this case only one side requested the action and both sides have already made the statement they will not honor a decision not in their favor. And there will be no organization, official, or other entity that will force either side to accept the opinion given.
I think we all know 100% that you have no intention of accepting any opinion given that is not totally in support of the Serbian position, so why criticize others for the same thing?

The integration of northern Mitrovica and whole Kosova should be completed as soon as it is practicable.
(EA, 31 January 2010 17:55)

How? Listen to music and look past the end, at 3:52 - do you see what I see there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-4YNNawU_A

The law must be respected regardless of who takes whom to court.
(Peggy, 31 January 2010 21:11)
Remember you said this. it may come back to haunt you.
However, your analogy has nothing to do with the situation.
(pss, 1 February 2010 11:38)

It has nothing to do with the situation? How so?

"I think we all know 100% that you have no intention of accepting any opinion given that is not totally in support of the Serbian position, so why criticize others for the same thing?"
(pss, 2 February 2010 04:29)
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If my asking a question was critisism then I am critical.

Now you say that you guys don't have to accept anything handed down by ICJ because you didn't ask for it is still not good enough. You may not want to accept it or even go down kicking and screaming but you will have to accept it because the world will be mindful of what ICJ says and they will treat you accordingly.

When Serbia doesn't get told that they must vacate Kosovo as it is legally Albanian now, it can only mean one thing. That is, that Kosovo is part of Serba.
It's one or the other. It cannot possibly be legal and illegal at the same time.