TI: Minimal progress in fighting corruption

Who cares? This about the PERCEPTION of corruption. If you want to see REAL corruption go to Moskva, Washington, Brussels, London.

Hey olf, well we went from #85 to #83 an improvement.

While Albania has gone from #85 (tied with Serbia last year) to #95, more corrupt then Lesotho Swazilands neighbor.

Kosovo is so corrupt TI didn't even include them. http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2009/cpi_2009_table

Olf they still did better than Montenegro and Albania... Tell me, what is your point here?

And how much must be your ego flattered now :)

Little or no progress.
So Serbia is more corrupted than Swaziland. Great achievement I must say

According to the 2009 Report (for the year 2008)http://www.transparency.org/publications/gcr p. 430,
Serbia is at the same level as other countries cited in the article:

Rank Country CPI Score
85 Albania 3.4
India 3.4
Madagascar 3.4
Montenegro 3.4
Panama 3.4
Senegal 3.4
Serbia 3.4

These countries all had the same rank (85) because they all had the same corruption perception index (3.4).

In the 2008 Report (for 2007) http://www.transparency.org/publications/gcr/gcr_2008, Serbia had the same 3.4 CPI score, but it was worth a rank of 79 then (p. 330). Montenegro improved (from 3.3 in the 2008 Report to 3.4) so that it is now even with Serbia.

Albania went from a score of 2.9 (ranking 106th) to 3.4 (now ranking 85th) - they're obviously doing something right there.

Why these scores are important is pointed out by the following:

"Estimates suggest that an improvement in the CPI by one index point (out of ten) is associated with higher productivity,
a growth in capital inflows equivalent to 0.8 per cent of a country’s GDP and an increase in
average income by almost 4 per cent. These figures can help each country assess the annual
losses that arise due to corruption." 2009 Report, p. 395 ff.

Amer:
> ??
The values are different because one set is from 09 using 09 data & the other is from 09 using 08 data.


For those interested, here are TI's CPI values for Serbia...:
Year Rank Index Confidence-range
2006 90 3.0 2.7 to 3.3
2007 79 3.4 3.0 to 4.0
2008 85 3.4 3.0 to 4.0
2009 83 3.5 3.3 to 3.9

...for Albania...:
Year Rank Index Confidence-range
2006 111 2.6 2.4 to 2.7
2007 105 2.9 2.6 to 3.1
2008 85 3.4 3.3 to 3.4
2009 95 3.2 3.0 to 3.3

...for Montenegro...:
Year Rank Index Confidence-range
2006 --- no listing ---
2007 84 3.3 2.4 to 4.0
2008 85 3.4 2.5 to 4.0
2009 69 3.9 3.5 to 4.4

...for Croatia...:
Year Rank Index Confidence-range
2006 69 3.4 3.1 to 3.7
2007 64 4.1 3.6 to 4.5
2008 62 4.4 4.0 to 4.8
2009 66 4.1 3.7 to 4.5

...& for Bosnia & Herzegovina:
Year Rank Index Confidence-range
2006 93 2.9 2.7 to 3.1
2007 84 3.3 2.9 to 3.7
2008 92 3.2 2.9 to 3.5
2009 99 3.0 2.6 to 3.4

http://www.transparency.org/news_room/in_focus/2006/cpi_2006/cpi_table
http://www.transparency.org/news_room/in_focus/2007/cpi2007/cpi_2007_table
http://www.transparency.org/news_room/in_focus/2008/cpi2008/cpi_2008_table
http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2009/cpi_2009_table

Note that the confidence range is 90%. This means that for a particular country, the 'actual' CPI value has a 90% chance of being in that range - ie: in the case of Serbia 2009, there is a 5% chance that the 'actual' CPI value is below 3.3, a 90% chance that it is in the range of 3.3 to 3.9 & a 5% chance that it is above 3.9.

The listed value is just a statistically determined 'mean' value & will almost certainly NOT be the 'actual' value. So comparing countries in a particular year, or from year to year using this data is fraught with peril.

And even when the data supports an assertion (such as 'there is a 99.75% chance that Albania was more corrupt than Serbia in 2009'), remember that you are comparing peoples 'perceptions' (what the 'P" stands for in CPI) which themselves vary from people to people & from year to year.

The table at
http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2009/cpi_2009_table and the full report at http://www.transparency.org/publications/gcr give different values - according to the first, Serbia has a CPI score of 3.5 and ranks 83rd, according to the second it has a score of 3.4 and ranks 85th, together with Albania and Montenegro.

??

Little or no progress.
So Serbia is more corrupted than Swaziland. Great achievement I must say

According to the 2009 Report (for the year 2008)http://www.transparency.org/publications/gcr p. 430,
Serbia is at the same level as other countries cited in the article:

Rank Country CPI Score
85 Albania 3.4
India 3.4
Madagascar 3.4
Montenegro 3.4
Panama 3.4
Senegal 3.4
Serbia 3.4

These countries all had the same rank (85) because they all had the same corruption perception index (3.4).

In the 2008 Report (for 2007) http://www.transparency.org/publications/gcr/gcr_2008, Serbia had the same 3.4 CPI score, but it was worth a rank of 79 then (p. 330). Montenegro improved (from 3.3 in the 2008 Report to 3.4) so that it is now even with Serbia.

Albania went from a score of 2.9 (ranking 106th) to 3.4 (now ranking 85th) - they're obviously doing something right there.

Why these scores are important is pointed out by the following:

"Estimates suggest that an improvement in the CPI by one index point (out of ten) is associated with higher productivity,
a growth in capital inflows equivalent to 0.8 per cent of a country’s GDP and an increase in
average income by almost 4 per cent. These figures can help each country assess the annual
losses that arise due to corruption." 2009 Report, p. 395 ff.

Hey olf, well we went from #85 to #83 an improvement.

While Albania has gone from #85 (tied with Serbia last year) to #95, more corrupt then Lesotho Swazilands neighbor.

Kosovo is so corrupt TI didn't even include them. http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2009/cpi_2009_table

Olf they still did better than Montenegro and Albania... Tell me, what is your point here?

The table at
http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2009/cpi_2009_table and the full report at http://www.transparency.org/publications/gcr give different values - according to the first, Serbia has a CPI score of 3.5 and ranks 83rd, according to the second it has a score of 3.4 and ranks 85th, together with Albania and Montenegro.

??

Who cares? This about the PERCEPTION of corruption. If you want to see REAL corruption go to Moskva, Washington, Brussels, London.

And how much must be your ego flattered now :)

Amer:
> ??
The values are different because one set is from 09 using 09 data & the other is from 09 using 08 data.


For those interested, here are TI's CPI values for Serbia...:
Year Rank Index Confidence-range
2006 90 3.0 2.7 to 3.3
2007 79 3.4 3.0 to 4.0
2008 85 3.4 3.0 to 4.0
2009 83 3.5 3.3 to 3.9

...for Albania...:
Year Rank Index Confidence-range
2006 111 2.6 2.4 to 2.7
2007 105 2.9 2.6 to 3.1
2008 85 3.4 3.3 to 3.4
2009 95 3.2 3.0 to 3.3

...for Montenegro...:
Year Rank Index Confidence-range
2006 --- no listing ---
2007 84 3.3 2.4 to 4.0
2008 85 3.4 2.5 to 4.0
2009 69 3.9 3.5 to 4.4

...for Croatia...:
Year Rank Index Confidence-range
2006 69 3.4 3.1 to 3.7
2007 64 4.1 3.6 to 4.5
2008 62 4.4 4.0 to 4.8
2009 66 4.1 3.7 to 4.5

...& for Bosnia & Herzegovina:
Year Rank Index Confidence-range
2006 93 2.9 2.7 to 3.1
2007 84 3.3 2.9 to 3.7
2008 92 3.2 2.9 to 3.5
2009 99 3.0 2.6 to 3.4

http://www.transparency.org/news_room/in_focus/2006/cpi_2006/cpi_table
http://www.transparency.org/news_room/in_focus/2007/cpi2007/cpi_2007_table
http://www.transparency.org/news_room/in_focus/2008/cpi2008/cpi_2008_table
http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2009/cpi_2009_table

Note that the confidence range is 90%. This means that for a particular country, the 'actual' CPI value has a 90% chance of being in that range - ie: in the case of Serbia 2009, there is a 5% chance that the 'actual' CPI value is below 3.3, a 90% chance that it is in the range of 3.3 to 3.9 & a 5% chance that it is above 3.9.

The listed value is just a statistically determined 'mean' value & will almost certainly NOT be the 'actual' value. So comparing countries in a particular year, or from year to year using this data is fraught with peril.

And even when the data supports an assertion (such as 'there is a 99.75% chance that Albania was more corrupt than Serbia in 2009'), remember that you are comparing peoples 'perceptions' (what the 'P" stands for in CPI) which themselves vary from people to people & from year to year.