Roma come under attack in Zagreb

If you douse someone with a flamible liquid, you are not the kind of person that belongs on the street. I wish someone could make some people in the Balkans realize that there is such a thing as a positive nationalism where you love your country and gaurd it against violence a patriotism where you are jealous of your freedom and would not jeopardise it by bringing hate into the community.

You can't have freedom and aparthied states, the two are mutually exclusive.

And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand

I believe a one way ticket to Siberia for all of these ustashe is in order - without luggage, of course.

To #1: I do not expect, non-Serbs/non-Croats to understand it. The innocent(?) part of it: "Jobbik" is a neo-nazi Hungarian party known for it's members actively participating in such things.

The rise/increase of this racist/neo-nazi movement across europe is a very bad, very dangerous thing, and the Roma are typically the easiset and favorite targets.

related to this (i am sure) were the attacks (most verbal) ag. the recent lgbt even in zagreb, where these hooligans were screaming, "faggots to the concentration camps!" and other such nice threats. both roma and "queers" were, in fact, real live targets of the original Nazis, and both burned in auschwittz and many other "lesser" camps.

we dare not treat these ultra-right wing groups and the threat they pose lightly.

thank god for such anti-fascist ngo's, and i send my strongest support.

robert-o
frisco

You right, Frisco, they burned in Croatian concentration camps like Jesenovac. Yet today, there is no EU country that wants Croatia to address it's past in these evil doings. Why? Is it because they are supporters of Croatia? Politics is the dirtiest game - and what does that say about politicians?

I believe a one way ticket to Siberia for all of these ustashe is in order - without luggage, of course.
(GSP, 28 June 2009 20:46)

Tell them to stop at Stalingrad, like 10,000+ of them did in WWii...

How you translate "Jobbik" to Serbo-Croatian? We can of course just merely pronounce it, that's more "proper" for the event but B92 will censor it.

Ataman,

Perhaps they would like to see themselmselves as Bolji or lepszy(in polish beter in croat rather more beautiful).At least this is what they think about themselves.I fully condem such actions.On this as opposed to our My Bollah or hezbollah topic I fully agree with you that these guys are real primitivos.On the other hand however (and what I write concerns mainly Hungary) we cannot deny that gypsies commit much more crimes than the average.Unfortunatelly on official and media level this things are denied.This kind of denial led among the others to the popularity of Jobbik(people always try to find the easiest solution).Needless to say that both sides attack mainly innocent people(gypsy criminals rob pensioners while jobbik thugs beat innocent woman and kids, avoiding confrontation with those pumped-up golden-necklaced heavyweight boys)Now it is not my task to find who is to blame for current situation but the problem should have been addressed at least 30 years ago.

Nothing new here, this sort of thing has been happening since the Roma migrated to Europe in the Middle Ages.

frisco
(roberto, 28 June 2009 21:34)

Robert, this post is probably the only one I agree 100% with you on :-) !

But one has to ask oneself, why are these groups still attracting young people in the society? In the Balkan countries I am afraid that its because continued nationalism among the politicians, they set the rule and the people that can not see through them follow the path.

One can not celebrate a deportation of 250 thousand people as a national day (Oluja) and think that one kind of attack on a minority is ok, but not another.

This is very negative nationalism, not positive patriotism.

To Roberto (little "cultural" 101):

The posts #1 and #2 referred to EXTREME profanity in both Serbian and Russian. That's what the name of Hungarian nazi party does sound - if you pronounce it in Serbo-Croatian or Russian. I am sure, it slipped through only as a rare exception...

From the number of "+" I guess, others understood the dirty joke. "Nomen est omen", but strictly speaking - it's not just. The act of procreation is fun, nazis aren't.

And of course agree with your writing 100%.

I believe a one way ticket to Siberia for all of these ustashe is in order - without luggage, of course.

The rise/increase of this racist/neo-nazi movement across europe is a very bad, very dangerous thing, and the Roma are typically the easiset and favorite targets.

related to this (i am sure) were the attacks (most verbal) ag. the recent lgbt even in zagreb, where these hooligans were screaming, "faggots to the concentration camps!" and other such nice threats. both roma and "queers" were, in fact, real live targets of the original Nazis, and both burned in auschwittz and many other "lesser" camps.

we dare not treat these ultra-right wing groups and the threat they pose lightly.

thank god for such anti-fascist ngo's, and i send my strongest support.

robert-o
frisco

If you douse someone with a flamible liquid, you are not the kind of person that belongs on the street. I wish someone could make some people in the Balkans realize that there is such a thing as a positive nationalism where you love your country and gaurd it against violence a patriotism where you are jealous of your freedom and would not jeopardise it by bringing hate into the community.

You can't have freedom and aparthied states, the two are mutually exclusive.

And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand

frisco
(roberto, 28 June 2009 21:34)

Robert, this post is probably the only one I agree 100% with you on :-) !

But one has to ask oneself, why are these groups still attracting young people in the society? In the Balkan countries I am afraid that its because continued nationalism among the politicians, they set the rule and the people that can not see through them follow the path.

One can not celebrate a deportation of 250 thousand people as a national day (Oluja) and think that one kind of attack on a minority is ok, but not another.

This is very negative nationalism, not positive patriotism.

Ataman,

Perhaps they would like to see themselmselves as Bolji or lepszy(in polish beter in croat rather more beautiful).At least this is what they think about themselves.I fully condem such actions.On this as opposed to our My Bollah or hezbollah topic I fully agree with you that these guys are real primitivos.On the other hand however (and what I write concerns mainly Hungary) we cannot deny that gypsies commit much more crimes than the average.Unfortunatelly on official and media level this things are denied.This kind of denial led among the others to the popularity of Jobbik(people always try to find the easiest solution).Needless to say that both sides attack mainly innocent people(gypsy criminals rob pensioners while jobbik thugs beat innocent woman and kids, avoiding confrontation with those pumped-up golden-necklaced heavyweight boys)Now it is not my task to find who is to blame for current situation but the problem should have been addressed at least 30 years ago.

How you translate "Jobbik" to Serbo-Croatian? We can of course just merely pronounce it, that's more "proper" for the event but B92 will censor it.

To #1: I do not expect, non-Serbs/non-Croats to understand it. The innocent(?) part of it: "Jobbik" is a neo-nazi Hungarian party known for it's members actively participating in such things.

You right, Frisco, they burned in Croatian concentration camps like Jesenovac. Yet today, there is no EU country that wants Croatia to address it's past in these evil doings. Why? Is it because they are supporters of Croatia? Politics is the dirtiest game - and what does that say about politicians?

Nothing new here, this sort of thing has been happening since the Roma migrated to Europe in the Middle Ages.

I believe a one way ticket to Siberia for all of these ustashe is in order - without luggage, of course.
(GSP, 28 June 2009 20:46)

Tell them to stop at Stalingrad, like 10,000+ of them did in WWii...

To Roberto (little "cultural" 101):

The posts #1 and #2 referred to EXTREME profanity in both Serbian and Russian. That's what the name of Hungarian nazi party does sound - if you pronounce it in Serbo-Croatian or Russian. I am sure, it slipped through only as a rare exception...

From the number of "+" I guess, others understood the dirty joke. "Nomen est omen", but strictly speaking - it's not just. The act of procreation is fun, nazis aren't.

And of course agree with your writing 100%.