Montenegro won't reveal UN GA vote

He also revealed that during his recent meeting with Boris Tadić, he told the Serbian president about "expectations of the European Union and NATO partners related to Montenegro's position on Kosovo".

"It is only right that the state of Serbia, which is our friend, has the full information that Montenegro is being told very clearly what the expectations are – that in the context of partnership with the EU, the position of the most important EU member states should be respected," Vujanović was quoted as saying.

So these are Tadic's friends? Solana and company are blackmailing Montenegro and Macedonia into recognizing the fake/immoral/illegal state of Kosovo, and these are the people, we are told, who are going to help us??
I hope Serbia remains independent and never joins this corrupt and immoral club, where the larger states are still obviously behaving like colonialists, telling their servants what to do. Montenegrins are proud people, and this government is an embarrassment to them, taking orders like loyal sheep. Shame, but I expect nothing more from Djukanovic and his treasonous band cigarette smugglers.
This just shows that the best man to lead Serbia is Vojislav Kostunica, for he is the only one who really knows what is going on.

If the montenegrin government votes against Serbia's initiative, then quite simply, it faces electoral oblivion.

And for what? If Serbia's bid before the GA succeeds, then it would have been for nothing.

And who seriously believes that the EU will 'punish' Montenerin merely because it votes for Serbia's proposal?

I have a feeling that the majority of the voters probably won't.

Annihilation at the polls awaits Mr Vujanovic.

"...he told the Serbian president about "expectations of the European Union and NATO partners related to Montenegro's position on Kosovo".
My understanding of this statement is that Montenegro will recognise Kosova's independence. It makes sense in every aspect. If Montenegro would like to join the EU got to endorse the EU policies and work for the stability of the region. We all know about the contribution the Albanians living in Montenegro gave towards the country's independence and what the Serbs did instead. It would not be an easy decision but not that difficult for a real sovereign country who wishes to join the EU.

Denial, reality, dark past, the most common words in pro-Albanian posts. Please comment on the stories at hand, and not the same blah blah day after day. I am from Crna Gora, and believe me there is no love for Albanians there, especially the ones in Kosovo. So please don't anyone confuse the Montenegrens pro-EU stance, as a pro-Albanian Kosovo stance. It's unfortunate that the countries with the bigger guns and prizes, usually get things their way.

Dragan,, immoral is they way Albanians were treated for 97 years. As for fake, try to break a law in Kosova and see who arrestst, you, Serbian aor Albanian police?

I think Serbs know that EU and NATO are irresistible to small countries, despite Serbian threats. Serbian threats are empty as NATO ensures their safety and EU their economic prosperity.

You have very few friends on the international arena now and they far, far away. For example, Albania is joining NATO in April next year and that means virtually guaranteed safety as no one dares to attack 30 states at once.

Whatever Montenegro's government decides to do in the UN General Assembly, it's not likely that Vujanovic's political survival will be at stake. The pro-Serb parties in Montenegro have failed to get a majority in any election and face declining political fortunes. They can make a lot of noise and stage demonstrations, but they're not in a position to decide on who runs Montenegro.

Montenegro is an independent country, pursuing its own national interests. Sometimes those interests are not the same as those of the Belgrade government. Serbia no longer has the deciding say in what Montenegro does or does not do. We may as well get used to it.

It is vital for Montenegro to recognise independent Kosovo,and it has the support of the Malesori and all the Albanians wherever they live.The fact that Montenegro split from Serbia,and having so much in commmon with Serbia has shown it was a good desicion.Now we have a rapid development of all the countries in that region apart from Serbia that should do better for the ordinary Serbs, but instead is locked in the dark of the past and denial.If there is any bullying towards smaller countries to me it is Serbia (Serb politicians)that is trying that,with no effect whatsoever only making it hard for itself.

The biggest mistake Montenegro made was allowing their Albanian citizens to swing the vote and separate from Serbia.
Now Montenegro is no longer a proud nation but a nation of servants to the west.

Montenegro, is this what you had in mind when you went along with Albanian wishes to be respected by having your own country? It was the Albanians who spurred all this on because no Orthodox who thinks of himself as a Serb like Njegos did would want this.

What was wrong with living in harmony with your brothers? You would prefer to live in harmony with your Albanian brothers, would you?

Now your pride has gone. You must do as your new "friends" or shall I say masters tell you. Either it is your own will to recognize Kosovo or you are told to. If you are told to then you must admit to being someone's servant instead of your own masters or you want to and openly admitting betrayal of your brothers.

There is no sugarcoating this. It's one or the other.

As a Serb I must say to understand Montenegrian trouble with what should they do with recognizing or not 'independent' Kosovo.
i think they are doing their best in regard to the circumstances.
Honestly I think they should wait because Serbian present government is more promising than any other in the (recent, huh!?)past.They don't want no more violence
but the contrary- to peacefully resolve a Serbian-Albanian historical conflict once for all.
Tadic & co. are onto something
important and that whole cause will eventually be a solution for the 'Kosovo agony'.
Ultimately we all want to live better and peaceful with one another,and if Kosovo government goes back to the negotiation table there will be a chance for resolution.
Montenegro should wait as they wisely did so far.
Not because someone commands them- but because they understand it's for the best of all of us.

Comment of the Albanian reader to Montenegrians:
"We don't care that you don't like us, really. Apparently you can be bought very easily and soon you'll betray your brothers, the Serbs. Why would we want such people to like us?"

I think this summarizes perfectly the total loss of respect by every side that Montenegro will bring upon itself by recognizing Kosovo.

I think the Serbs in Montenegro will probably want their independence too, why not?

It will be done and away with Montenegro and this is their final test

---"I am from Crna Gora, and believe me there is no love for Albanians there, especially the ones in Kosovo. So please don't anyone confuse the Montenegrens pro-EU stance, as a pro-Albanian Kosovo stance."

I am from Albania and there is not love for you either. Especially since you took many of our lands by having Turks beat us:
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9F07E7D6143FEE3ABC4E52DFBF66838B699FDE&oref=slogin

We don't care that you don't like us, really. Apparently you can be bought very easily and soon you'll betray your brothers, the Serbs. Why would we want such people to like us?

Montenegrins are well aware that if they (+/-700.000 population) can be independent, Kosovars (2.000.000 +) deserve to be independent as well.
They were part of Yugoslavia and know the history very well, juat as Slovenians and Croats.

Jovan R.:
> Whatever Montenegro's government decides to do in the UN General Assembly, it's not likely that Vujanovic's political survival will be at stake. The pro-Serb parties in Montenegro have failed to get a majority in any election and face declining political fortunes.

You are confusing montenegrin support for their own independence with support for the 'pseudo-state' in Kosovo. In this you are wrong.

If Vujanovic & company make the same mistake, can say bye-bye to government come elections.

I just dont understand the logic of some of b92's posters.

Contributions of albanians comapared to Serbians? A quick look at the demographic numbers would prove that serbians are allowed to vote against recognizing the UDI.

CG has closer ties (and please be logical) to serbia than kosovo or albania. Furthermore, Russian investment is also very strong in CG.

As for Dragan, I dont see where you believe that Vojislav Kostunica knows what to do. To me, he is very irrational. Tadic is using politics to fight for his country, and thats perfectly ok. To me, Tadic is like Obama, he wants to mend ties, while Kostunica is like McCain.

"...he told the Serbian president about "expectations of the European Union and NATO partners related to Montenegro's position on Kosovo".
My understanding of this statement is that Montenegro will recognise Kosova's independence. It makes sense in every aspect. If Montenegro would like to join the EU got to endorse the EU policies and work for the stability of the region. We all know about the contribution the Albanians living in Montenegro gave towards the country's independence and what the Serbs did instead. It would not be an easy decision but not that difficult for a real sovereign country who wishes to join the EU.

If the montenegrin government votes against Serbia's initiative, then quite simply, it faces electoral oblivion.

And for what? If Serbia's bid before the GA succeeds, then it would have been for nothing.

And who seriously believes that the EU will 'punish' Montenerin merely because it votes for Serbia's proposal?

I have a feeling that the majority of the voters probably won't.

Annihilation at the polls awaits Mr Vujanovic.

Dragan,, immoral is they way Albanians were treated for 97 years. As for fake, try to break a law in Kosova and see who arrestst, you, Serbian aor Albanian police?

I think Serbs know that EU and NATO are irresistible to small countries, despite Serbian threats. Serbian threats are empty as NATO ensures their safety and EU their economic prosperity.

You have very few friends on the international arena now and they far, far away. For example, Albania is joining NATO in April next year and that means virtually guaranteed safety as no one dares to attack 30 states at once.

Whatever Montenegro's government decides to do in the UN General Assembly, it's not likely that Vujanovic's political survival will be at stake. The pro-Serb parties in Montenegro have failed to get a majority in any election and face declining political fortunes. They can make a lot of noise and stage demonstrations, but they're not in a position to decide on who runs Montenegro.

Montenegro is an independent country, pursuing its own national interests. Sometimes those interests are not the same as those of the Belgrade government. Serbia no longer has the deciding say in what Montenegro does or does not do. We may as well get used to it.

It is vital for Montenegro to recognise independent Kosovo,and it has the support of the Malesori and all the Albanians wherever they live.The fact that Montenegro split from Serbia,and having so much in commmon with Serbia has shown it was a good desicion.Now we have a rapid development of all the countries in that region apart from Serbia that should do better for the ordinary Serbs, but instead is locked in the dark of the past and denial.If there is any bullying towards smaller countries to me it is Serbia (Serb politicians)that is trying that,with no effect whatsoever only making it hard for itself.

He also revealed that during his recent meeting with Boris Tadić, he told the Serbian president about "expectations of the European Union and NATO partners related to Montenegro's position on Kosovo".

"It is only right that the state of Serbia, which is our friend, has the full information that Montenegro is being told very clearly what the expectations are – that in the context of partnership with the EU, the position of the most important EU member states should be respected," Vujanović was quoted as saying.

So these are Tadic's friends? Solana and company are blackmailing Montenegro and Macedonia into recognizing the fake/immoral/illegal state of Kosovo, and these are the people, we are told, who are going to help us??
I hope Serbia remains independent and never joins this corrupt and immoral club, where the larger states are still obviously behaving like colonialists, telling their servants what to do. Montenegrins are proud people, and this government is an embarrassment to them, taking orders like loyal sheep. Shame, but I expect nothing more from Djukanovic and his treasonous band cigarette smugglers.
This just shows that the best man to lead Serbia is Vojislav Kostunica, for he is the only one who really knows what is going on.

As a Serb I must say to understand Montenegrian trouble with what should they do with recognizing or not 'independent' Kosovo.
i think they are doing their best in regard to the circumstances.
Honestly I think they should wait because Serbian present government is more promising than any other in the (recent, huh!?)past.They don't want no more violence
but the contrary- to peacefully resolve a Serbian-Albanian historical conflict once for all.
Tadic & co. are onto something
important and that whole cause will eventually be a solution for the 'Kosovo agony'.
Ultimately we all want to live better and peaceful with one another,and if Kosovo government goes back to the negotiation table there will be a chance for resolution.
Montenegro should wait as they wisely did so far.
Not because someone commands them- but because they understand it's for the best of all of us.

Denial, reality, dark past, the most common words in pro-Albanian posts. Please comment on the stories at hand, and not the same blah blah day after day. I am from Crna Gora, and believe me there is no love for Albanians there, especially the ones in Kosovo. So please don't anyone confuse the Montenegrens pro-EU stance, as a pro-Albanian Kosovo stance. It's unfortunate that the countries with the bigger guns and prizes, usually get things their way.

The biggest mistake Montenegro made was allowing their Albanian citizens to swing the vote and separate from Serbia.
Now Montenegro is no longer a proud nation but a nation of servants to the west.

Montenegro, is this what you had in mind when you went along with Albanian wishes to be respected by having your own country? It was the Albanians who spurred all this on because no Orthodox who thinks of himself as a Serb like Njegos did would want this.

What was wrong with living in harmony with your brothers? You would prefer to live in harmony with your Albanian brothers, would you?

Now your pride has gone. You must do as your new "friends" or shall I say masters tell you. Either it is your own will to recognize Kosovo or you are told to. If you are told to then you must admit to being someone's servant instead of your own masters or you want to and openly admitting betrayal of your brothers.

There is no sugarcoating this. It's one or the other.

---"I am from Crna Gora, and believe me there is no love for Albanians there, especially the ones in Kosovo. So please don't anyone confuse the Montenegrens pro-EU stance, as a pro-Albanian Kosovo stance."

I am from Albania and there is not love for you either. Especially since you took many of our lands by having Turks beat us:
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9F07E7D6143FEE3ABC4E52DFBF66838B699FDE&oref=slogin

We don't care that you don't like us, really. Apparently you can be bought very easily and soon you'll betray your brothers, the Serbs. Why would we want such people to like us?

Montenegrins are well aware that if they (+/-700.000 population) can be independent, Kosovars (2.000.000 +) deserve to be independent as well.
They were part of Yugoslavia and know the history very well, juat as Slovenians and Croats.

Comment of the Albanian reader to Montenegrians:
"We don't care that you don't like us, really. Apparently you can be bought very easily and soon you'll betray your brothers, the Serbs. Why would we want such people to like us?"

I think this summarizes perfectly the total loss of respect by every side that Montenegro will bring upon itself by recognizing Kosovo.

I think the Serbs in Montenegro will probably want their independence too, why not?

It will be done and away with Montenegro and this is their final test

Jovan R.:
> Whatever Montenegro's government decides to do in the UN General Assembly, it's not likely that Vujanovic's political survival will be at stake. The pro-Serb parties in Montenegro have failed to get a majority in any election and face declining political fortunes.

You are confusing montenegrin support for their own independence with support for the 'pseudo-state' in Kosovo. In this you are wrong.

If Vujanovic & company make the same mistake, can say bye-bye to government come elections.

I just dont understand the logic of some of b92's posters.

Contributions of albanians comapared to Serbians? A quick look at the demographic numbers would prove that serbians are allowed to vote against recognizing the UDI.

CG has closer ties (and please be logical) to serbia than kosovo or albania. Furthermore, Russian investment is also very strong in CG.

As for Dragan, I dont see where you believe that Vojislav Kostunica knows what to do. To me, he is very irrational. Tadic is using politics to fight for his country, and thats perfectly ok. To me, Tadic is like Obama, he wants to mend ties, while Kostunica is like McCain.