State to have access to e-mails, browsing history

These new dictators are certainly making up for lost ground very quickly. Big Brother is watching and you better be careful.

Silence the opposition and monitor everyone that dares speak against this new government - those free thinking terrorists will all be hunted down and removed out of sight.

Democracy getting better by the day :)

Encryption is the word of the day!

No thanks. I support the right to privacy and freedom of information.

If the extreme right and their threats is the target of this new law, more effective would be to crack down against organisations themselves and not to include ordinary people in their number.

Great.

1) The next step: interconnect with FBI, BND, ФСБРФ. That will allow more freedom to the citizens. Morons.

2) A great business opportunity for ISP in our "favorite": "Republika e Kosovës" to take care about personal freedom of Serbs.

As we all know: "Kosova eshtë Serbia". So legally... hint, hint to all Albanians. Here is your goldmine, made by stupidity. Not a single court in Serbia can prohibit a Kosovo-based ISP to provide service all over Serbia. ;)

You guys own me a Skanderbeu for the idea. Cheers! (But again: Kosova eshtë Serbia!)

On 28 July 2008 14:21, Felix, Romania wrote:

"Encryption is the word of the day!"

True, so true. This, and similar efforts, all over the world, will only work for a short time. Interest in encryption is already high among many of the geeky Internet-users, both when it comes to encrypt local hard disks and USB-sticks and when it comes to using SSL/VPN/Tor for point-to-point traffic.

Local data encryption is now at a stage where it is fairly easy to use, and traffic encryption will come soon.

In 3-4 years I think we will see the "masses" starting to use encryption and anonymizing services on a large scale, and then all these expensive network filters and sniffers can be used as boat anchors.

So B92 - when will see this site, and your forum, being protected by an SSL-certificate, so we can sleep better, knowing that Big Brother is not checking our posts?

And do B92 feel about the fact, that anonymous sources that chooses to inform you by e-mail can not be guaranteed the same level of protection as one that informs you using a letter written on paper?

Jan - and what do you think will happen when everyone starts to encrypt their messages? All they have to do is state terrorists are doing the same and ban it for personal use while still allowing banks and other organisations to use it.

In fact, the US wanted to do it a while ago and introduce a system where the government could easily decrypt the messages.

Also, B92 is probably being watched anyway and there really is no point encrypting public forums - it still needs to be viewed.

I suspect I'll have to move to China at some stage to enjoy a comfortable level of freedom!

On 28 July 2008 23:29, ZK UK wrote:

"All they have to do is state terrorists are doing the same and ban it for personal (...)"

Hopefully the people will not accept such measures. It is one thing to forbid people carrying weapons because weapons are used to kill people. Or to forbid people from sending money to Somalia under the pretence that the money will up in the hands of terrorists. But I HOPE that no one will accept a law saying: "You can not have secrets. You are not allowed to have a lock on diary."

"(...) there really is no point encrypting public forums - it still needs to be viewed."

An SSL encryption will only reveal that my IP is doing something here - reading, posting, whatever. My post then goes to the moderators for approval, and only then - with some random delay - it is published here with my name.

Now, in my case and yours, it does not make much sense to keep our identities hidden since we are both open about who we are. But if I had signed my posts as "The Viking", the encryption + the delay would it make it very hard to associate The Viking with my IP-address (which is easily connected to my real ID).
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Great.

1) The next step: interconnect with FBI, BND, ФСБРФ. That will allow more freedom to the citizens. Morons.

2) A great business opportunity for ISP in our "favorite": "Republika e Kosovës" to take care about personal freedom of Serbs.

As we all know: "Kosova eshtë Serbia". So legally... hint, hint to all Albanians. Here is your goldmine, made by stupidity. Not a single court in Serbia can prohibit a Kosovo-based ISP to provide service all over Serbia. ;)

You guys own me a Skanderbeu for the idea. Cheers! (But again: Kosova eshtë Serbia!)

Democracy getting better by the day :)

Encryption is the word of the day!

These new dictators are certainly making up for lost ground very quickly. Big Brother is watching and you better be careful.

Silence the opposition and monitor everyone that dares speak against this new government - those free thinking terrorists will all be hunted down and removed out of sight.

No thanks. I support the right to privacy and freedom of information.

If the extreme right and their threats is the target of this new law, more effective would be to crack down against organisations themselves and not to include ordinary people in their number.

On 28 July 2008 14:21, Felix, Romania wrote:

"Encryption is the word of the day!"

True, so true. This, and similar efforts, all over the world, will only work for a short time. Interest in encryption is already high among many of the geeky Internet-users, both when it comes to encrypt local hard disks and USB-sticks and when it comes to using SSL/VPN/Tor for point-to-point traffic.

Local data encryption is now at a stage where it is fairly easy to use, and traffic encryption will come soon.

In 3-4 years I think we will see the "masses" starting to use encryption and anonymizing services on a large scale, and then all these expensive network filters and sniffers can be used as boat anchors.

So B92 - when will see this site, and your forum, being protected by an SSL-certificate, so we can sleep better, knowing that Big Brother is not checking our posts?

And do B92 feel about the fact, that anonymous sources that chooses to inform you by e-mail can not be guaranteed the same level of protection as one that informs you using a letter written on paper?

Jan - and what do you think will happen when everyone starts to encrypt their messages? All they have to do is state terrorists are doing the same and ban it for personal use while still allowing banks and other organisations to use it.

In fact, the US wanted to do it a while ago and introduce a system where the government could easily decrypt the messages.

Also, B92 is probably being watched anyway and there really is no point encrypting public forums - it still needs to be viewed.

I suspect I'll have to move to China at some stage to enjoy a comfortable level of freedom!

On 28 July 2008 23:29, ZK UK wrote:

"All they have to do is state terrorists are doing the same and ban it for personal (...)"

Hopefully the people will not accept such measures. It is one thing to forbid people carrying weapons because weapons are used to kill people. Or to forbid people from sending money to Somalia under the pretence that the money will up in the hands of terrorists. But I HOPE that no one will accept a law saying: "You can not have secrets. You are not allowed to have a lock on diary."

"(...) there really is no point encrypting public forums - it still needs to be viewed."

An SSL encryption will only reveal that my IP is doing something here - reading, posting, whatever. My post then goes to the moderators for approval, and only then - with some random delay - it is published here with my name.

Now, in my case and yours, it does not make much sense to keep our identities hidden since we are both open about who we are. But if I had signed my posts as "The Viking", the encryption + the delay would it make it very hard to associate The Viking with my IP-address (which is easily connected to my real ID).
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