Since you have information about how many hungarians lived and live in Vojvodina, Can you tell us how many serbians or montenegrians leaved after the second world war and how many now?
We are all immigrants to the Balkan peninsular since mankind grew out of Africa.
I'm sure if I took another point in history, I could prove that some other national group owns Vojvodina or Kosovo.
Just get over the fact will you, that for now, NOT a single reputable international body has formally recognised Kosovo as independent and less than a quarter of sovereign states have done so. The economy is shot and Kosovo's political leaders are mostly ex-criminal warlords or war-profiteers. Moreover, Kosovan society is blighted by intractable corruption and bereft of the desire to modernise and join the 21st Century. Kosovo's future does not look very bright.
Benny, the highest number of Hungarians recorded in Vojvodina was 466,000 in the 1941 census. This only dropped to the first post war census of 429,000 in 1948.
The Hungarian population increased then dropped census by census:
The reason the number have dropped is due a low birthrate and emigration. Another factor is inter ethnic marriages.
Alban, you cannot be an illegal immigrant if you are moving within the same country. Any Serb or Yugoslav that moved to Vojvodina from anywhere else in Yugoslavia before 1991 cannot be considered for this, nor can any that moved there from Montenegro until 2006 or from within Serbia until the present day.
This is serbia. These ar serbs. I read that just 200,000 hungarians leave in vojvodina. Am asking serbs where are 300,000 more. By statistics in vojvodina leaved 500,000 hungarians. What happend with them. They gave up their property their land just to be save somewhere where there is no serbs and gypsies like in romania.
not wishful thinking just highlighting the difficulty and obvious fragility of this formation. Your right that G17 signed a pact but its another thing actually forming what is now a minority government given the tensions that wer alluded to in the link you provided;
"However, Rasim Ljajić’s Sandžak Democratic Party (SDP) does not approve of the agreement signed by Dinkić and Sulejman Ugljanin’s Sandžak Party of Democratic Action (SDA). "
I have stil to hear Tadic and Ugljanin meeting to discuss SDA's important role in this future government and how the rivalry can be put aside. It would seem G17/Dinkic was trying to undermine Tadic as the lead coordinator of the 5 party list at the time - possibly more tension. I guess we need not mention the tension within DS itself or should one say the "lively debate" within DS!
Mind you Dinkic of late has been off score and the last link you posted has him mentioning PM choice to be anounced in a few days - this B92 article was dated 19th May - so not quite the "few days" Dinkic suggested. Beyond that he also mentioned SAA ratified by end of June - its now July. That leaves his final prediction of govt by mid-July - which is stil possible however as we now know it is to be a minority governement with tactical support of LDP & Hungarian minorities to pass the threshold.
124 mandates comes from the D yeS 5 party coalition (102), SPS 3 party coalition (20) and SDA list (various party affiliations) (2) 102+20+2 = 124. You could only come up with 125 if you include the Presevo Albanian 1 mandate but again I have not heard of any such offer being acceptable - still could be wrong.
Darga, Montenegro wasn't part of Serbia in any case.
The Hungarians of Vojvodina are a minority (15%) and only a localised majority in 6 municipalities. Currently there is no political party campaigning for independence for Vojvodina, so the chance of it happening in the foreseeable future is nil.
a government of SRS and DSS-NS is no solution, Princip. as you say it indirectly in your comment, such a government would have no friends which could help Serbia forwards. these parties stand for a policy which draws the country backwards. standing still means to move backwards, even when you stand shoulder to shoulder.
Darga the albanian which we know you are as for vojvodina there is 200,000 hungarians living there and 1,500,000 Serbs and little others, and you say it will split from beograd, you must be joking. and as for montenegro which i am a montenegrin serbian since we are 1, it was the minority vote that got the independence, and montenegro did not want the montenegrins that was living outside to vote, because the union would be ther. still so you keep thinking what you want but the hungarians in serbia and the province of serbia of vojvodina has only a small fraction of hungarians.
Why should Hungarians be forced to suffer serb backward policies and re-combat fights of 1489. Even Montnegro, who can ethnicaly considered as Serbs themselves did not want to be part of Serbia. Who would doubt a souvereign Vojvodina wouldn´t have a better future. Since Yugoslavia/Serbia is splintering, Hungarians should have the right to decide if they still wish to be governed by Belgrade.
I think you missed the G17-SDA alliance signed a short while back. Or maybe it's just wishful thinking on your behalf. http://www.emportal.co.yu/en/news/serbia/53075.html
Nevertheless, the 125 (0r 124 by your counting) is somewhat short of the "stable government" with 142 mandates that was promised http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=05&dd=24&nav_id=50506 and makes a bit of a mockery of the Presidents claim that, "My job is to start a national reconciliation in Serbia." Before the government is even formed, 'partners' are leaving due to the inclusion of other 'partners'. Is that "reconcilliation" Mr. President? Or did B92 misquote you? http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=05&dd=19&nav_id=50371
So now this "possible" formation has become a 9 party minority governemnt given only tactical support by LDP and Hungarian minorities. They support this formation not because they belive in it but to stop the SRS and DSS-NS to form a government bulit by apparent "friends of Serbia" such as Solano & Co. But this formation of a "possible" minority governemnt is so fragile at its inception since it has no working majority and only has 124 mandates - thats if the Bosniak List is in governemnt or will they do a Pastor next ?
So now this "possible" formation has become a 9 party minority governemnt given only tactical support by LDP and Hungarian minorities. They support this formation not because they belive in it but to stop the SRS and DSS-NS to form a government bulit by apparent "friends of Serbia" such as Solano & Co. But this formation of a "possible" minority governemnt is so fragile at its inception since it has no working majority and only has 124 mandates - thats if the Bosniak List is in governemnt or will they do a Pastor next ?
Darga the albanian which we know you are as for vojvodina there is 200,000 hungarians living there and 1,500,000 Serbs and little others, and you say it will split from beograd, you must be joking. and as for montenegro which i am a montenegrin serbian since we are 1, it was the minority vote that got the independence, and montenegro did not want the montenegrins that was living outside to vote, because the union would be ther. still so you keep thinking what you want but the hungarians in serbia and the province of serbia of vojvodina has only a small fraction of hungarians.
Why should Hungarians be forced to suffer serb backward policies and re-combat fights of 1489. Even Montnegro, who can ethnicaly considered as Serbs themselves did not want to be part of Serbia. Who would doubt a souvereign Vojvodina wouldn´t have a better future. Since Yugoslavia/Serbia is splintering, Hungarians should have the right to decide if they still wish to be governed by Belgrade.
I think you missed the G17-SDA alliance signed a short while back. Or maybe it's just wishful thinking on your behalf. http://www.emportal.co.yu/en/news/serbia/53075.html
Nevertheless, the 125 (0r 124 by your counting) is somewhat short of the "stable government" with 142 mandates that was promised http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=05&dd=24&nav_id=50506 and makes a bit of a mockery of the Presidents claim that, "My job is to start a national reconciliation in Serbia." Before the government is even formed, 'partners' are leaving due to the inclusion of other 'partners'. Is that "reconcilliation" Mr. President? Or did B92 misquote you? http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=05&dd=19&nav_id=50371
We are all immigrants to the Balkan peninsular since mankind grew out of Africa.
I'm sure if I took another point in history, I could prove that some other national group owns Vojvodina or Kosovo.
Just get over the fact will you, that for now, NOT a single reputable international body has formally recognised Kosovo as independent and less than a quarter of sovereign states have done so. The economy is shot and Kosovo's political leaders are mostly ex-criminal warlords or war-profiteers. Moreover, Kosovan society is blighted by intractable corruption and bereft of the desire to modernise and join the 21st Century. Kosovo's future does not look very bright.
This is serbia. These ar serbs. I read that just 200,000 hungarians leave in vojvodina. Am asking serbs where are 300,000 more. By statistics in vojvodina leaved 500,000 hungarians. What happend with them. They gave up their property their land just to be save somewhere where there is no serbs and gypsies like in romania.
Benny, the highest number of Hungarians recorded in Vojvodina was 466,000 in the 1941 census. This only dropped to the first post war census of 429,000 in 1948.
The Hungarian population increased then dropped census by census:
The reason the number have dropped is due a low birthrate and emigration. Another factor is inter ethnic marriages.
Alban, you cannot be an illegal immigrant if you are moving within the same country. Any Serb or Yugoslav that moved to Vojvodina from anywhere else in Yugoslavia before 1991 cannot be considered for this, nor can any that moved there from Montenegro until 2006 or from within Serbia until the present day.
Since you have information about how many hungarians lived and live in Vojvodina, Can you tell us how many serbians or montenegrians leaved after the second world war and how many now?
a government of SRS and DSS-NS is no solution, Princip. as you say it indirectly in your comment, such a government would have no friends which could help Serbia forwards. these parties stand for a policy which draws the country backwards. standing still means to move backwards, even when you stand shoulder to shoulder.
not wishful thinking just highlighting the difficulty and obvious fragility of this formation. Your right that G17 signed a pact but its another thing actually forming what is now a minority government given the tensions that wer alluded to in the link you provided;
"However, Rasim Ljajić’s Sandžak Democratic Party (SDP) does not approve of the agreement signed by Dinkić and Sulejman Ugljanin’s Sandžak Party of Democratic Action (SDA). "
I have stil to hear Tadic and Ugljanin meeting to discuss SDA's important role in this future government and how the rivalry can be put aside. It would seem G17/Dinkic was trying to undermine Tadic as the lead coordinator of the 5 party list at the time - possibly more tension. I guess we need not mention the tension within DS itself or should one say the "lively debate" within DS!
Mind you Dinkic of late has been off score and the last link you posted has him mentioning PM choice to be anounced in a few days - this B92 article was dated 19th May - so not quite the "few days" Dinkic suggested. Beyond that he also mentioned SAA ratified by end of June - its now July. That leaves his final prediction of govt by mid-July - which is stil possible however as we now know it is to be a minority governement with tactical support of LDP & Hungarian minorities to pass the threshold.
124 mandates comes from the D yeS 5 party coalition (102), SPS 3 party coalition (20) and SDA list (various party affiliations) (2) 102+20+2 = 124. You could only come up with 125 if you include the Presevo Albanian 1 mandate but again I have not heard of any such offer being acceptable - still could be wrong.
Darga, Montenegro wasn't part of Serbia in any case.
The Hungarians of Vojvodina are a minority (15%) and only a localised majority in 6 municipalities. Currently there is no political party campaigning for independence for Vojvodina, so the chance of it happening in the foreseeable future is nil.
Why should Hungarians be forced to suffer serb backward policies and re-combat fights of 1489. Even Montnegro, who can ethnicaly considered as Serbs themselves did not want to be part of Serbia. Who would doubt a souvereign Vojvodina wouldn´t have a better future. Since Yugoslavia/Serbia is splintering, Hungarians should have the right to decide if they still wish to be governed by Belgrade.
So now this "possible" formation has become a 9 party minority governemnt given only tactical support by LDP and Hungarian minorities. They support this formation not because they belive in it but to stop the SRS and DSS-NS to form a government bulit by apparent "friends of Serbia" such as Solano & Co. But this formation of a "possible" minority governemnt is so fragile at its inception since it has no working majority and only has 124 mandates - thats if the Bosniak List is in governemnt or will they do a Pastor next ?
I think you missed the G17-SDA alliance signed a short while back. Or maybe it's just wishful thinking on your behalf. http://www.emportal.co.yu/en/news/serbia/53075.html
Nevertheless, the 125 (0r 124 by your counting) is somewhat short of the "stable government" with 142 mandates that was promised http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=05&dd=24&nav_id=50506 and makes a bit of a mockery of the Presidents claim that, "My job is to start a national reconciliation in Serbia." Before the government is even formed, 'partners' are leaving due to the inclusion of other 'partners'. Is that "reconcilliation" Mr. President? Or did B92 misquote you? http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2008&mm=05&dd=19&nav_id=50371
Darga the albanian which we know you are as for vojvodina there is 200,000 hungarians living there and 1,500,000 Serbs and little others, and you say it will split from beograd, you must be joking. and as for montenegro which i am a montenegrin serbian since we are 1, it was the minority vote that got the independence, and montenegro did not want the montenegrins that was living outside to vote, because the union would be ther. still so you keep thinking what you want but the hungarians in serbia and the province of serbia of vojvodina has only a small fraction of hungarians.
a government of SRS and DSS-NS is no solution, Princip. as you say it indirectly in your comment, such a government would have no friends which could help Serbia forwards. these parties stand for a policy which draws the country backwards. standing still means to move backwards, even when you stand shoulder to shoulder.
not wishful thinking just highlighting the difficulty and obvious fragility of this formation. Your right that G17 signed a pact but its another thing actually forming what is now a minority government given the tensions that wer alluded to in the link you provided;
"However, Rasim Ljajić’s Sandžak Democratic Party (SDP) does not approve of the agreement signed by Dinkić and Sulejman Ugljanin’s Sandžak Party of Democratic Action (SDA). "
I have stil to hear Tadic and Ugljanin meeting to discuss SDA's important role in this future government and how the rivalry can be put aside. It would seem G17/Dinkic was trying to undermine Tadic as the lead coordinator of the 5 party list at the time - possibly more tension. I guess we need not mention the tension within DS itself or should one say the "lively debate" within DS!
Mind you Dinkic of late has been off score and the last link you posted has him mentioning PM choice to be anounced in a few days - this B92 article was dated 19th May - so not quite the "few days" Dinkic suggested. Beyond that he also mentioned SAA ratified by end of June - its now July. That leaves his final prediction of govt by mid-July - which is stil possible however as we now know it is to be a minority governement with tactical support of LDP & Hungarian minorities to pass the threshold.
124 mandates comes from the D yeS 5 party coalition (102), SPS 3 party coalition (20) and SDA list (various party affiliations) (2) 102+20+2 = 124. You could only come up with 125 if you include the Presevo Albanian 1 mandate but again I have not heard of any such offer being acceptable - still could be wrong.
Darga, Montenegro wasn't part of Serbia in any case.
The Hungarians of Vojvodina are a minority (15%) and only a localised majority in 6 municipalities. Currently there is no political party campaigning for independence for Vojvodina, so the chance of it happening in the foreseeable future is nil.
This is serbia. These ar serbs. I read that just 200,000 hungarians leave in vojvodina. Am asking serbs where are 300,000 more. By statistics in vojvodina leaved 500,000 hungarians. What happend with them. They gave up their property their land just to be save somewhere where there is no serbs and gypsies like in romania.
Benny, the highest number of Hungarians recorded in Vojvodina was 466,000 in the 1941 census. This only dropped to the first post war census of 429,000 in 1948.
The Hungarian population increased then dropped census by census:
The reason the number have dropped is due a low birthrate and emigration. Another factor is inter ethnic marriages.
Alban, you cannot be an illegal immigrant if you are moving within the same country. Any Serb or Yugoslav that moved to Vojvodina from anywhere else in Yugoslavia before 1991 cannot be considered for this, nor can any that moved there from Montenegro until 2006 or from within Serbia until the present day.
We are all immigrants to the Balkan peninsular since mankind grew out of Africa.
I'm sure if I took another point in history, I could prove that some other national group owns Vojvodina or Kosovo.
Just get over the fact will you, that for now, NOT a single reputable international body has formally recognised Kosovo as independent and less than a quarter of sovereign states have done so. The economy is shot and Kosovo's political leaders are mostly ex-criminal warlords or war-profiteers. Moreover, Kosovan society is blighted by intractable corruption and bereft of the desire to modernise and join the 21st Century. Kosovo's future does not look very bright.
Since you have information about how many hungarians lived and live in Vojvodina, Can you tell us how many serbians or montenegrians leaved after the second world war and how many now?
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