Whoever said they were proud of the US "forcing" countries to recognise Kosovo with its influence should be ashamed. A government which literally bullies other countries into doing what it wants, conducting nuclear tests on places like the Marshall Islands and Nauru, exploiting countries for their resources, and launching air strikes on places like Somalia like it did a few weeks ago supposedly because of "terrorism" and using its influence in such a terrible, un democratic way is something which you should be ashamed of, not boasting about as if having influence and power over the world is synonymous with moral virtue.
You're laughing at Burkina Faso, but at this time this UNSC member is a lot more powerful than Serbia. They are probably laughing at you! By the way, did you all hear the new estimates? Albania and Croatia are estimated to join EU in 2011 and 2010 respectively. We better start securing our borders for the upcoming Serb immigration :)
I have accepted the state I live in - I'll give you a clue as to what its identity is - it's not called Serbia anymore. (And Jovan, keep dreaming!)
Now I think Niall, YOU should follow your own advice and grow up! Or at least learn!
Albanians tried hard to integrate for decades although, in my opinion, that should have never happened. People should not be expected to integrate in their own lands. That's something you expect from the immigrants!!! It is however the country that is supposed to be modified to equally incorporate all the people it maintains are its citizens. Especially when that country is being built from scratch like SFRY was after WWII. And stop saying that for anything worthwhile in Kosovo we should be thankful to Serbia or SFRY. The only economic progress made in Kosovo coincides with the adoption of the 1974 constitution when Kosovo achieved autonomy and a level of self rule within the federation. It also coincides with the opening of Prishtina University. Kosovo's economy was improving considerably by mid 1980s. The same totally collapsed after Milosevic suspended the autonomy.
Now, we're no angels and we have to accept some responsibility for everything that's happened but we're not going to share it 50% - 50% with the acronyms I mentioned in the previous post. If you made an honest attempt to look at these things from a neutral point of view, you'd realise it too.
Jovan
I may not contribute as often as other people on this website but I do follow it quite regularly. You, and some other contributors here, make no attempt to hide (or even disguise) your antipathy and feeling of superiority you have towards the Albanians.
I have been meaning to ask you for a while now, why do you think you are so much better than us?
Why is it that eventually you always resort to insults? You often call us uneducated and criminals.
What's the ex SFRY capital that in the 1990s resembled Chicago in the 1920s?
Which country's crime clans murdered its Prime Minister? No clues here!
Which country's citizen was cought with 500 kg of pure cocaine by the Macedonian authorities last year?
Who's the spouse of the above mentioned criminal and what's their position in that country?
I could go on and on and I don't even have to 'go far' to find the info, it's all here in b92.
I welcome a debate but please let's not insult each other. And there's also no need for feelings of superiority on either side as we're equally good/bad!
The Serb people brought Slobodan Milošević to power in 1990's you lost Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia and eventually Montenegro and Kosovo in 2008
How can you expect the world to listen to you if you keep referring to Kosovo people as "Albanian terrorist" and "Albanian Separates" and not once you refer to them as "Serbian Citizens living in Kosovo" or "Serbian Citizen from Albanian origin".
Now if the Serb people bring Vojislav Koštunica & the radicals to power, they will also lose Autonomous Province of Vojvodina and SR in Bosnia.
Just 1 thing, Kosova is recognized by the most powerfull democratic states of the world, all G7 memebers, the richest. Don't you see? so please stop kidding. Kosova took it's way. Let's talk now about relations between Kosova and Serbia. One day you'll understand just be realistic.and we all have the same path--European Union. So No dreams of Kostunica's policy. Vote modern and democratic partys.
"The mess, as anyone in our neighbourhood will testify, was started by the SANU/SPS/SRS/JUL/JNA/MUP/UDB.
Good luck trying to convince the world that all your neighbours are wrong and that only you are right!
(Blerimi, 25 April 2008 12:29)"
Yes, let the childish blame game commence. Blame everybody else for your misfortune except yourselves.
Blerimi, if I were you, i'd take one good, long hard look in the mirror. Fact is you lot made no attempt whatsoever to integrate into mainstream Yugoslav society which showed your utter contempt for the Yugoslav state and its people despite the Yugoslav and Serb people bending over backwards to accomodate you.
Grow up my friend and accept the state you live in..... the Republic of Serbia. You will have to anyway eventually.
sure they do know that albanians helped Senegal ,burkinafaso and some other countries in building water plant and solar plant in the desert.Not Serbian ,but albanian guys did it as expat of the french and the suiss gvt!others will follow like mauritania,niger cap veert...
thank you burkina faso and nauru!
The point you make is valid although really depends on just how stubborn the russians want to be. For instance, present regime in US is quite capable of going against just about every country in the world. So who knows.
But don't seriously think will come to that as truly believe recognitions are petering out.
Take a look at the bar graph in my previous post (#27).
Didn't bother to put a legend on it as is pretty self-explanatory, but just in case:
Vertical axis represents no. of countries that have recognised on a particular day - represented by 'X's.
Horizontal axis is the time line. Look underneath a particular 'X' to identify the date.
So those first 7 'X's siting one on top of each other means that 7 countries recognised UDI on the 18th of Feb, then 2 countries on the 19th etc.
Have split the graph into 2 sections because of width constraints.
Disregard all the dots & commas. Had to use them to get the spacing right (ariel font uses variable width fields).
Source is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reaction_to_the_2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence
Also didn't put Malaysia on the graph due to this article which brings into question Malaysian recognition: http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=328837
26 recognitions in the 1st month/wave, 9 in the 2nd, 3 in the 3rd. Is apparent that as time goes on, momentum behind recognition dissolves. In addition, doubt if US will be 'pushing' for much longer. Is not in their interests. Last thing they want is a truly independent so-called 'republic of Kosovo.'
As I said.. will be lucky to get 50.
PRN:
Was simply treating your comment with the consideration it deserves.
Using this argument:
> The common sense is saying that number of countries recognising Kosovo is going UP, and the number of countries that have not YET recognised Kosovo is going DOWN...
...to reach this conclusion:
> One or two countries recognising Kosovo every day or two is enough for us to reach 100 in couple of months.
...is ludicrous.
So you must have been dreaming.. so I woke you up. It worked as you now appear to be listening.
Now pay attention junior.
The realationship between recognition & time is anything but linear. In fact, it appears to be akin to a series of bell curves, with ever decreasing maxima, with ever increasing spacing. This points to a finite upper limit on the total number of recognitions on the order of about 50 (2N).
I am not changing my opinions or my sides, I have always said that the ideal solution would have been a mutual agreement, I can see that it is not possible and I think that Kosovo independence was indeed the only realistic solution to the problem, however, as I have ALWAYS said here, the price for Kosovo to pay for their UDI was to remain independent, but outside of the UN, NATO, EU, OECD, IMF etc. They are now pushing for membership in all these major organizations and thus causing a great divide on a global sphere, as countries have chosen not to recognize Kosovo for whatever reason they see fit, and now they will be pressured into accepting Kosovo by the larger, Western countries, regardless of their interests.
This does not make me lean towards any side, this is my objective opinion on how this Kosovo independence is turning out, and I do not see it as being very democratic at all, hence my comments as they are.
To conclude: a country has the right to decide if they want to recognize Kosovo, no one has the right to pressure them or tell them what to do, a country must think of their own interests first, this is the price Kosovo had to pay so as not to end up as a frozen conflict, like in the ex-USSR.
Funcakes
I agree with what you say, but first Kosovo has to reach that 2/3 of the General Assembly, which is 129 countries, I don't know if this will happen or not, but it's a big goal to achieve. Also, one counter argument is also China. If both China and Russia maintain their vetos, as well as even half of the UN, I doubt they will abstain from it. Either way, time will tell, I don't think any of us can really tell at this early stage.
Peter, it's not as easy as it seems. Vetoes are a very sensitive issue, especially if you want to go against 2/3 of the UN member states.
See, you could probably contemplate a veto if it received 40%, 50%, even 60% recognition...but when you go to the 67% recognition zone, that veto would be so hard to justify that the only choice left would be to abstain.
And if you think that Russia will go against 2/3 of the UN, then we'll let time have it's say.
However by that time, Kosovo will be integrated in so many world bodies where Russia doesn't have a veto that it will look ridiculous and childish for Russia.
A country like Serbia can afford to look ridiculous in the world stage, but a country like Russia has to take under consideration much bigger factors. And luckily it's a country that has retreated in countless occasions.
PRN:
> One or two countries recognising Kosovo every day or two is enough for us to reach 100 in couple of months.
Dear oh dear.. seems to be dreaming again... WAKE UP!
(peter, Sydney)
Dear Peter,
The common sense is saying that number of countries recognising Kosovo is going UP, and the number of countries that have not YET recognised Kosovo is going DOWN...
Am I wrong so far???
Even for a teenager this would be clear, and that saying that "you are dreaming" is making me think that you are too young young to realise even this...
(B92 should NOT allow childish comments in here...)
Oh boy, I hope you are not claiming that you have some kind of prophetic powers to sense how future will unfold...if yes, then this is not the right place for you...as you can make money by charging people through telling how their life will evolve....
This recognition business very much starts to look like the Coalition of the Willing. This coalition is said to have had about 49 countries. Is this number where the recognition game will peak? Expect countries like Palau and Solomon Islands to recognise Kosovo soon.
so, much later when you marry and get some children better teach your children also the serbian language in order to make sure that they will be able to find a job, when they start looking for work...
Listen Jovan, serbs like you would better start to teach to your kids some Chinese , Hindu, or Korean (you should know Russian already by now ), because this is the future of Serbia for you. In this way they have a chance to get a job in Russia for $3 a day, in China for $2 and India maybe $1 a day.
As far as for K-Albanians don't worry. They went in Germany, Switzerland, Belgium , USA.
Now K-Albanians are bussy building Bondsteel.
The time to work for Serbia has gone for good.
Out of 53 African countries, only 2 have recognised this illegal puppet entity. What more can be said?
(ZK UK, 24 April 2008 14:58)
a lot can be said, of course. everytime you repeat yourself, the list of countries grows, it's not your job, I guess, but thanks. let's see, what happens after the elections in Serbia on international level.
The Arab world will not come out and recognize "Kosova" because they know its a fraud an sham and don't want to pick up the bill once the S finds another project. They have no love for the US and are disgusted that the ALbanian's are humiliating themselves silly waving the stars and stripes. The Moslem world is not stupid and are aware that this is attempt by the US to partially compensate for their wrongdoings in the Middle East. I think the Kingdom SA has or intends to recognise Kosova. It being the Custodian's of Islam' holiest sites, they have a repuatation to uphold and its another attempt to show their legitimacy in the Islamic world. I think SOmalia may reconise Kosova next.
Haha, they are no longer scraping the bottom of the barrel, they are digging into the enamel. I've heard about Burkina Faso, once, Nauru...not that much. Oh well, now when the "important" counties ;-) are done, (sorry I can't not laugh), maybe the tribe UkuTuku will put the finishing touches on the grandiose failure of our misguided citizens living a lie in the Serbian province of KosovO.
Wow. I just found this website. I am from Burkina Faso. Why are you serbs mocking my country?
Our territory is 4 times bigger than Serbia. Our population is almost twice as big as serbs.
By reading this mockery, I am strongly supporting the news state of Kosovo!
(Tulu, 24 April 2008 15:30)
YOu are right MR. Tulu
No one should make a mockery about your lovely country.
How come if the US is pressuring its allies to recognize Kosova, how come Kuwaitt is not on the list. A country that the US saved, big business partners, big US base, same thing with Qatar... I wonder the pressure you are referring to. I am not so sure anymore.
What can I say just that to thanks these two countries on making the right choice.
Thank you Burkina Faso, Thank you Nauru.
Quality of world's countries that have already recognized Kosovo is that we already have, now here it comes quantity. Keep 'em comming.
It will come a day when more that 110 countries will recognize Kosovo and the only argument that the Serbs in here will have it's going to be like,,,, o wait a minute, Somalia didn't recognize Kosovo yet, and we all "know" that the Somalia is very, very "democratic" country.
Come on Russia do your move, now is the time :P
it was the kla-terrorists...who were killing innocent Serbs and Albanians alike.
where´s your pride and honesty when it´s about innocent poeple, no matter of which ethnicity?
do you hide those facts only because it suits your greater albanian ideology???
that would mean that you don´t care for the poeple, but only for power...
unfortunately, as it seems the K-albanians will never rule the serbian province, since as soon as the western occupiers leave, and ...you can count on that, Serbia will re-establish it´s control over all of the sovereign serbian state-territory.
and, ...I am convinced, that the US and their "allies" won´t stay as long as the Ottomans did!
so, much later when you marry and get some children better teach your children also the serbian language in order to make sure that they will be able to find a job, when they start looking for work...
but once again, let´s recall the truth again, it was the kla-bandits who started the mess...
Yes, somehow the Serbs seem to buy everything from their politicians, who turn out to be wrong all the time. But apparently they don't mind to be mislead. Very strange....very unique in Europe.
Mark,
You raise a very interesting point with the "US concoction". Once the majority of countries recognize Kosovo I will be even a prouder US citizen knowing that my country was able to "force all these countries". You know however pretty well that despite its great influence in the world the US could not force so many countries. In short that argument of the Serbs is awfully childish.
Expect to see other Pacific microstates like Tuvalu and Micronesia to follow. They'll be dancing on the streets of Pristina.
"Wow. I just found this website. I am from Burkina Faso. Why are you serbs mocking my country?
Our territory is 4 times bigger than Serbia. Our population is almost twice as big as serbs.
By reading this mockery, I am strongly supporting the news state of Kosovo!
(Tulu, 24 April 2008 15:30)"
Hey whats this. Am I imagining things or are some of the Albanian teenagers now taking on African alias. Wow, BF recognises 'Kosova' and all of a sudden we have a 'Burkino Fasian' (read K-Albanian) on this website. Truly amazing coincidence it is. Is this the best you lot can up with. LMFAO.
How can you say that those countries who support Kosova's independence "unveiling their vassalage" and on the other side express your anger to those who think "...for Serbia amusing attempts to belittle Serbia as a puppet of "Mother Russia"?
I owe an apology to Burkina Faso as I don't believe in any particular relevance whether it recognised Kosova's independence but it is time to say Thank you as a matter of courtesy.
Jovanovic,
As you can see I am being very pragmatic and we have to be realistic! All it counts in the REAL world is the support from USA, EU and and those who have real voice in the world's political and economical world! Show a bit of respect towards the independent sovereign countries otherwise you have to acccept the Serbia is a Russian puppet and secondly in two months the Kosovar Albanians are not doing bad. Just wait after the Serbian election and you will see that the wave of countries whom recognise Kosova's independence will grow much faster that you can expect.
Peter,
What is going on with you changing opionions and sides all the time?
Thank you, Burkina Faso, the 2nd African nation (with land and population a lot larger than Serbia's) to recognize the newest European state of independent Kosova.
What I'm really wondering is how all these Serbs that speak against independence (and claim it as a "US concoction" although being supported by a majority of the Western states) will feel once a majority of the world recognizes Kosova's independence.
Will they still tell themselves that the US forced the whole world to recognize it? Will they once again bury themselves in the illusion that their "reality" is more real than the world's reality, and Kosova is still an occupied part of Yugoslavia (which doesn't exist anymore, and Kosova isn't even occupied by the Serbs any more)?
first, those amusing attempts to belittle Serbia as a puppet of "Mother Russia" ...or Siberia as some rather high-educated k-albanian boy has written once... they must have their own situation in mind! it´s called projection, if our albanian friends have heard about it at all before...
then those cynical, almost desperate comments about Mr.Jeremic visiting other STATES ;)
kids, don´t worry, we know that you are desperate, you don´t have to be so cynical!
the man is doing his job, and so far, you have only the opportunity to cheer about small pacific islands or dependent african republics...
quite a reason to be happy, as it seems... :)
last but not least this wishful thinking... talking about "waves"...
the only waves in regard to k-albanians are those of criminal clan-members spread all over europe´s prisons or underworld and being the reason why Albanians are so loved in europe...
ps: isn´t a little bit doubtful that someone from burkina faso makes comments here? I´d say it´s the usual ineffectual attempt of an albanian youth to deceive...
but, ...you have to be smarter, my young friend, much smarter...
Time and time again the Serbs fall for the lies of their politicians. At first according to Serbian politicians, Kosova was only an internal matter of Serbia, and you all bought that, even though bombs were falling on your heads. After that your leaders told you that it is guaranteed that Kosova will not be allowed to declare independence, and you all bought it again. Then they told you that Kosovo will not be recognized by anyone even if it did declare its independence, and you all bought it. Then they told that even if some countries recognized it, Russia in the UNSC will instantly invalidate it, and you all bought it. Now they are telling you that Serbia has successfully stopped recognition of Kosova by other countries, and you are all buying it even if UN members are recognizing it and you are learning it by reading about it yourself, yet the number keeps growing.
I can't help but think that either you are gullible or somehow have this feeling of infallibility. Whichever it is that's what brought you where we are now. It wasn't the US, and it wasn't NATO or the EU. It was you, the Serbs.
"We might not get some countries in the Russia-China-India triangle...or the Brazil-Venezuela-Argentina triangle.....but we'll work our magic elsewhere, and there's enough countries out there to reach UN majority and perhaps even 2/3 of the UN General Assembly. Which you know what that means right? South/North Korea scenario and Russian veto off the window! "
1. Membership in the United Nations is open to all other peace-loving states which accept the obligations contained in the present Charter and, in the judgment of the Organization, are able and willing to carry out these obligations.
2. The admission of any such state to membership in the United Nations will be effected by a decision of the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.
— United Nations Charter, Chapter 2, Article 4, http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/
The only thing that's "off the window" is every Kosovo Albanian's fantasy that 2/3 of the General Assembly is enough to grant them membership.
Funny how the Albanian commentators gleefully acknowledge that "a vote is a vote (in the UN)" when insignificant countries support their illegal declaration of independence but completely dismiss those states such as Cyprus, Spain, Russia, China, India, Brazil, Argentina (should I go on?)that vehemently oppose such proclamations as being 'insignificant on the world stage.'
Marshall Islands, Burkina Faso, Nauru... not much left in the barrel :))
ps: personally don't think Nauru should count.. before too long, will be nothing but a few pinnacles sticking out of the sea.
Sidi:
> The ultimate goal is the General Assembly.
No chance - see below.
PRN:
> One or two countries recognising Kosovo every day or two is enough for us to reach 100 in couple of months.
Dear oh dear.. seems to be dreaming again... WAKE UP!
Tulu:
> Wow. I just found this website. I am from Burkina Faso. Why are you serbs mocking my country?
And this story just came up. Interesting co-incidence - what are the chances...
On the slim chance that you are not part of the K-albanian propaganda dept, people here are not really mocking your country (well.. maybe a couple), but the US desire to force recognition of puppet state.
Funcakes:
Think you need a reality check. Again.
Russian veto will apply regardless. Here's the UN link:
pana:
> 2 months passed and 40 states counting.
Doesn't seem you can. Is 38 not 40.
To all:
Here's a bar graph showing countries which have formally recognised so-called 'republic of Kosovo' as a function of time.
38 countries have recognised up to Apr 24.
K-albanian camp seem to like talking about these 'waves' of recognition. Is readily apparent from this that these waves are becoming the occasional ripple. 100 countries? Will be lucky to get 50.
Feb 17 - Apr 03
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Well, you can bully the small countries all you want, but it's not like they're the only ones who have recognized.
It's not like only the 9000 people country or the $1200 country has recognized. You forget the 70% of world wealth that came before that!
Of course the smaller ones are going to be coming up next.....it's just the spoils of victory! You win the big guys, and the big guys bring you the small ones too!
We might not get some countries in the Russia-China-India triangle...or the Brazil-Venezuela-Argentina triangle.....but we'll work our magic elsewhere, and there's enough countries out there to reach UN majority and perhaps even 2/3 of the UN General Assembly. Which you know what that means right? South/North Korea scenario and Russian veto off the window!
So keep bullying the small puppies, but big things always come in small packages!
Wow, this is great news!!!
Somehow I imagined that for Burkina Faso, the ex-Dahomay the recognition will take longer. Nice surprise.
K-Albanians my heartfelt congratulation to you!
First you got the important wave of rich democratic Western countries, who will aid, support and protect you for as long as needed.
Slowly the second wave will start, what I call the "numbers game". Many poor and small countries with a UN vote will recognize you. After a while it will look like a football (soccer) game. The young Kosovo team will go from success to success. Yes you will win this championship at the delight of millions of your supporters.
Congratulations again!
i find it fascinating that this abominable u.s. project of a fake state in the territory of kosovo is failing in such a way that the u.s. have to engage in stuff like this. my heart goes out to these volcanic rocks that are used and abused in this way. but it's a good sign for serbia, this strage activity to scrape the bottom of the barrel and make an impression that there's progress in this abject failure, "kosova".
kosovo on the other hand is a serb province you know :)
2 months passed and 40 states counting. I guess Serbs in this website are getting sarcastic... just because some countries have recognized Kosovo, it does not mean they are under pressure...or just because some Serb politician (I think it was Nicolic) declared few months ago that Serbia should become Russian province it does not mean he was pressured.
Oh how Tulu, how convenient you found our little site on the big world wide web, what did you do, type in 'Burkina Faso' and see world making headlines? HAHA
"Internet use is also low in the country (Burkina Faso), with only 40 users per 10,000 inhabitants"
You must be one of only afew with internet access, and you're using it to comment on B92, get your priorities straight! There are millions in your country not fortunate enough to have internet access, I think there was more meaningful ways to use it, rather then posting on a news site.
Nauru is a country with population of 9000 and without a capital city. In 1980 Nauru recognized Taiwan but in 2002 they took 60 million $ of aid from PR of China and withdrew their recognition. But in 2005 they recognized Taiwan again. Colorful.
Wow. I just found this website. I am from Burkina Faso. Why are you serbs mocking my country?
Our territory is 4 times bigger than Serbia. Our population is almost twice as big as serbs.
By reading this mockery, I am strongly supporting the news state of Kosovo!
While Serbian Government is working hard to stop recognition, the UN independent member countries are deciding to recognise Kosovo.
One or two countries recognising Kosovo every day or two is enough for us to reach 100 in couple of months.
We dont care wether they are poor/dependent and/or have good relations with the USA or the EU but we care only if they are UN members...
BTW we have succesfully overcome the TEST of recognition by the richest and most influential countries in the world...now we are focused on developing (Second World countries) or underdeveloped (Third World) countries...
I am worried about Mr. Jeremic's routine work (which I suppose is getting boring by now) of calling amabsadors (making them jobless) and booking tickets back home...
Sorry Mr. Jeremic, this policy is counterproductive as it increases, (already very high), unemployment in Serbia, and moreover it is a fatastic way of how to waste Serbian tax payers money (by booking tickets and hotels for ambasadors)...
Dear Serbian friends...time for self-reflection and critical thinking...
These criticisms of Burkina Faso's dependency on the US are a bit ironic as Serbia slides toward its own dependency. Will Serbia be Russia's Balkan Burkina Faso?
"seems like only those wo are dependent from others ( whom I do not have to mention, I guess ) are "recognizing" the puppet-entity..."
Jovan, are you trying to say tha also all western europeam countries depend on USA and that is why the recognized Kosova.
The most important countries have done it allready in first month, now as the rest comes we need them only as a number.
“Burkina Faso recognizes the existence of a new sovereign state, in keeping with international law,” reads a statement from the Ouagadougou authorities.
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I think Burkina Faso has volunteered to be the first country Serbia sues in the World court for breaking international law.
Out of 53 African countries, only 2 have recognised this illegal puppet entity. What more can be said?
So it looks like weak little island states are now being arm twisted into recognition.
Is this supposed to be wave three? Pressurising little islands into breaking international law? Again, the question remains, which one will be the first to reverse it?
It won't be too long before they need some assistance from the UN and fall in the way of Russia and China. Bets anyone?
Jovan, of course we see the pattern...you have not noticed it yet?
USA, Germany, UK, France, Italy, Canada, Japan, South Korea...pretty hard to miss this kind of pattern. :)
Burkina Faso is a huge blow for the Serbs however. First, because it's UNSC member at this time, and second.....because it's in Africa, and Africa seemed to be resisting recognition.
Well, not for long. In a game where numbers count, we'll take Antarctica too if it were a country.
Thank you Burkina Faso and Nauru. While some readers on here might poke fun at you, remember that a vote is a vote, and two votes is even better. The ultimate goal is the General Assembly. You have come out on the side of the most powerful and prosperous countries in the world which have recognized the new state of Kosova. Thank you again to you both! More will follow.
Wow. I just found this website. I am from Burkina Faso. Why are you serbs mocking my country?
Our territory is 4 times bigger than Serbia. Our population is almost twice as big as serbs.
By reading this mockery, I am strongly supporting the news state of Kosovo!
Jovan, of course we see the pattern...you have not noticed it yet?
USA, Germany, UK, France, Italy, Canada, Japan, South Korea...pretty hard to miss this kind of pattern. :)
Burkina Faso is a huge blow for the Serbs however. First, because it's UNSC member at this time, and second.....because it's in Africa, and Africa seemed to be resisting recognition.
Well, not for long. In a game where numbers count, we'll take Antarctica too if it were a country.
So it looks like weak little island states are now being arm twisted into recognition.
Is this supposed to be wave three? Pressurising little islands into breaking international law? Again, the question remains, which one will be the first to reverse it?
It won't be too long before they need some assistance from the UN and fall in the way of Russia and China. Bets anyone?
“Burkina Faso recognizes the existence of a new sovereign state, in keeping with international law,” reads a statement from the Ouagadougou authorities.
--
I think Burkina Faso has volunteered to be the first country Serbia sues in the World court for breaking international law.
Out of 53 African countries, only 2 have recognised this illegal puppet entity. What more can be said?
Nauru is a country with population of 9000 and without a capital city. In 1980 Nauru recognized Taiwan but in 2002 they took 60 million $ of aid from PR of China and withdrew their recognition. But in 2005 they recognized Taiwan again. Colorful.
While Serbian Government is working hard to stop recognition, the UN independent member countries are deciding to recognise Kosovo.
One or two countries recognising Kosovo every day or two is enough for us to reach 100 in couple of months.
We dont care wether they are poor/dependent and/or have good relations with the USA or the EU but we care only if they are UN members...
BTW we have succesfully overcome the TEST of recognition by the richest and most influential countries in the world...now we are focused on developing (Second World countries) or underdeveloped (Third World) countries...
I am worried about Mr. Jeremic's routine work (which I suppose is getting boring by now) of calling amabsadors (making them jobless) and booking tickets back home...
Sorry Mr. Jeremic, this policy is counterproductive as it increases, (already very high), unemployment in Serbia, and moreover it is a fatastic way of how to waste Serbian tax payers money (by booking tickets and hotels for ambasadors)...
Dear Serbian friends...time for self-reflection and critical thinking...
Oh how Tulu, how convenient you found our little site on the big world wide web, what did you do, type in 'Burkina Faso' and see world making headlines? HAHA
"Internet use is also low in the country (Burkina Faso), with only 40 users per 10,000 inhabitants"
You must be one of only afew with internet access, and you're using it to comment on B92, get your priorities straight! There are millions in your country not fortunate enough to have internet access, I think there was more meaningful ways to use it, rather then posting on a news site.
These criticisms of Burkina Faso's dependency on the US are a bit ironic as Serbia slides toward its own dependency. Will Serbia be Russia's Balkan Burkina Faso?
i find it fascinating that this abominable u.s. project of a fake state in the territory of kosovo is failing in such a way that the u.s. have to engage in stuff like this. my heart goes out to these volcanic rocks that are used and abused in this way. but it's a good sign for serbia, this strage activity to scrape the bottom of the barrel and make an impression that there's progress in this abject failure, "kosova".
kosovo on the other hand is a serb province you know :)
Funny how the Albanian commentators gleefully acknowledge that "a vote is a vote (in the UN)" when insignificant countries support their illegal declaration of independence but completely dismiss those states such as Cyprus, Spain, Russia, China, India, Brazil, Argentina (should I go on?)that vehemently oppose such proclamations as being 'insignificant on the world stage.'
Wow, this is great news!!!
Somehow I imagined that for Burkina Faso, the ex-Dahomay the recognition will take longer. Nice surprise.
K-Albanians my heartfelt congratulation to you!
First you got the important wave of rich democratic Western countries, who will aid, support and protect you for as long as needed.
Slowly the second wave will start, what I call the "numbers game". Many poor and small countries with a UN vote will recognize you. After a while it will look like a football (soccer) game. The young Kosovo team will go from success to success. Yes you will win this championship at the delight of millions of your supporters.
Congratulations again!
Thank you Burkina Faso and Nauru. While some readers on here might poke fun at you, remember that a vote is a vote, and two votes is even better. The ultimate goal is the General Assembly. You have come out on the side of the most powerful and prosperous countries in the world which have recognized the new state of Kosova. Thank you again to you both! More will follow.
Time and time again the Serbs fall for the lies of their politicians. At first according to Serbian politicians, Kosova was only an internal matter of Serbia, and you all bought that, even though bombs were falling on your heads. After that your leaders told you that it is guaranteed that Kosova will not be allowed to declare independence, and you all bought it again. Then they told you that Kosovo will not be recognized by anyone even if it did declare its independence, and you all bought it. Then they told that even if some countries recognized it, Russia in the UNSC will instantly invalidate it, and you all bought it. Now they are telling you that Serbia has successfully stopped recognition of Kosova by other countries, and you are all buying it even if UN members are recognizing it and you are learning it by reading about it yourself, yet the number keeps growing.
I can't help but think that either you are gullible or somehow have this feeling of infallibility. Whichever it is that's what brought you where we are now. It wasn't the US, and it wasn't NATO or the EU. It was you, the Serbs.
Thank you, Burkina Faso, the 2nd African nation (with land and population a lot larger than Serbia's) to recognize the newest European state of independent Kosova.
What I'm really wondering is how all these Serbs that speak against independence (and claim it as a "US concoction" although being supported by a majority of the Western states) will feel once a majority of the world recognizes Kosova's independence.
Will they still tell themselves that the US forced the whole world to recognize it? Will they once again bury themselves in the illusion that their "reality" is more real than the world's reality, and Kosova is still an occupied part of Yugoslavia (which doesn't exist anymore, and Kosova isn't even occupied by the Serbs any more)?
"seems like only those wo are dependent from others ( whom I do not have to mention, I guess ) are "recognizing" the puppet-entity..."
Jovan, are you trying to say tha also all western europeam countries depend on USA and that is why the recognized Kosova.
The most important countries have done it allready in first month, now as the rest comes we need them only as a number.
Well, you can bully the small countries all you want, but it's not like they're the only ones who have recognized.
It's not like only the 9000 people country or the $1200 country has recognized. You forget the 70% of world wealth that came before that!
Of course the smaller ones are going to be coming up next.....it's just the spoils of victory! You win the big guys, and the big guys bring you the small ones too!
We might not get some countries in the Russia-China-India triangle...or the Brazil-Venezuela-Argentina triangle.....but we'll work our magic elsewhere, and there's enough countries out there to reach UN majority and perhaps even 2/3 of the UN General Assembly. Which you know what that means right? South/North Korea scenario and Russian veto off the window!
So keep bullying the small puppies, but big things always come in small packages!
"We might not get some countries in the Russia-China-India triangle...or the Brazil-Venezuela-Argentina triangle.....but we'll work our magic elsewhere, and there's enough countries out there to reach UN majority and perhaps even 2/3 of the UN General Assembly. Which you know what that means right? South/North Korea scenario and Russian veto off the window! "
1. Membership in the United Nations is open to all other peace-loving states which accept the obligations contained in the present Charter and, in the judgment of the Organization, are able and willing to carry out these obligations.
2. The admission of any such state to membership in the United Nations will be effected by a decision of the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.
— United Nations Charter, Chapter 2, Article 4, http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/
The only thing that's "off the window" is every Kosovo Albanian's fantasy that 2/3 of the General Assembly is enough to grant them membership.
first, those amusing attempts to belittle Serbia as a puppet of "Mother Russia" ...or Siberia as some rather high-educated k-albanian boy has written once... they must have their own situation in mind! it´s called projection, if our albanian friends have heard about it at all before...
then those cynical, almost desperate comments about Mr.Jeremic visiting other STATES ;)
kids, don´t worry, we know that you are desperate, you don´t have to be so cynical!
the man is doing his job, and so far, you have only the opportunity to cheer about small pacific islands or dependent african republics...
quite a reason to be happy, as it seems... :)
last but not least this wishful thinking... talking about "waves"...
the only waves in regard to k-albanians are those of criminal clan-members spread all over europe´s prisons or underworld and being the reason why Albanians are so loved in europe...
ps: isn´t a little bit doubtful that someone from burkina faso makes comments here? I´d say it´s the usual ineffectual attempt of an albanian youth to deceive...
but, ...you have to be smarter, my young friend, much smarter...
Expect to see other Pacific microstates like Tuvalu and Micronesia to follow. They'll be dancing on the streets of Pristina.
"Wow. I just found this website. I am from Burkina Faso. Why are you serbs mocking my country?
Our territory is 4 times bigger than Serbia. Our population is almost twice as big as serbs.
By reading this mockery, I am strongly supporting the news state of Kosovo!
(Tulu, 24 April 2008 15:30)"
Hey whats this. Am I imagining things or are some of the Albanian teenagers now taking on African alias. Wow, BF recognises 'Kosova' and all of a sudden we have a 'Burkino Fasian' (read K-Albanian) on this website. Truly amazing coincidence it is. Is this the best you lot can up with. LMFAO.
2 months passed and 40 states counting. I guess Serbs in this website are getting sarcastic... just because some countries have recognized Kosovo, it does not mean they are under pressure...or just because some Serb politician (I think it was Nicolic) declared few months ago that Serbia should become Russian province it does not mean he was pressured.
How can you say that those countries who support Kosova's independence "unveiling their vassalage" and on the other side express your anger to those who think "...for Serbia amusing attempts to belittle Serbia as a puppet of "Mother Russia"?
I owe an apology to Burkina Faso as I don't believe in any particular relevance whether it recognised Kosova's independence but it is time to say Thank you as a matter of courtesy.
Jovanovic,
As you can see I am being very pragmatic and we have to be realistic! All it counts in the REAL world is the support from USA, EU and and those who have real voice in the world's political and economical world! Show a bit of respect towards the independent sovereign countries otherwise you have to acccept the Serbia is a Russian puppet and secondly in two months the Kosovar Albanians are not doing bad. Just wait after the Serbian election and you will see that the wave of countries whom recognise Kosova's independence will grow much faster that you can expect.
Peter,
What is going on with you changing opionions and sides all the time?
"The mess, as anyone in our neighbourhood will testify, was started by the SANU/SPS/SRS/JUL/JNA/MUP/UDB.
Good luck trying to convince the world that all your neighbours are wrong and that only you are right!
(Blerimi, 25 April 2008 12:29)"
Yes, let the childish blame game commence. Blame everybody else for your misfortune except yourselves.
Blerimi, if I were you, i'd take one good, long hard look in the mirror. Fact is you lot made no attempt whatsoever to integrate into mainstream Yugoslav society which showed your utter contempt for the Yugoslav state and its people despite the Yugoslav and Serb people bending over backwards to accomodate you.
Grow up my friend and accept the state you live in..... the Republic of Serbia. You will have to anyway eventually.
Marshall Islands, Burkina Faso, Nauru... not much left in the barrel :))
ps: personally don't think Nauru should count.. before too long, will be nothing but a few pinnacles sticking out of the sea.
Sidi:
> The ultimate goal is the General Assembly.
No chance - see below.
PRN:
> One or two countries recognising Kosovo every day or two is enough for us to reach 100 in couple of months.
Dear oh dear.. seems to be dreaming again... WAKE UP!
Tulu:
> Wow. I just found this website. I am from Burkina Faso. Why are you serbs mocking my country?
And this story just came up. Interesting co-incidence - what are the chances...
On the slim chance that you are not part of the K-albanian propaganda dept, people here are not really mocking your country (well.. maybe a couple), but the US desire to force recognition of puppet state.
Funcakes:
Think you need a reality check. Again.
Russian veto will apply regardless. Here's the UN link:
pana:
> 2 months passed and 40 states counting.
Doesn't seem you can. Is 38 not 40.
To all:
Here's a bar graph showing countries which have formally recognised so-called 'republic of Kosovo' as a function of time.
38 countries have recognised up to Apr 24.
K-albanian camp seem to like talking about these 'waves' of recognition. Is readily apparent from this that these waves are becoming the occasional ripple. 100 countries? Will be lucky to get 50.
Feb 17 - Apr 03
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it was the kla-terrorists...who were killing innocent Serbs and Albanians alike.
where´s your pride and honesty when it´s about innocent poeple, no matter of which ethnicity?
do you hide those facts only because it suits your greater albanian ideology???
that would mean that you don´t care for the poeple, but only for power...
unfortunately, as it seems the K-albanians will never rule the serbian province, since as soon as the western occupiers leave, and ...you can count on that, Serbia will re-establish it´s control over all of the sovereign serbian state-territory.
and, ...I am convinced, that the US and their "allies" won´t stay as long as the Ottomans did!
so, much later when you marry and get some children better teach your children also the serbian language in order to make sure that they will be able to find a job, when they start looking for work...
but once again, let´s recall the truth again, it was the kla-bandits who started the mess...
Yes, somehow the Serbs seem to buy everything from their politicians, who turn out to be wrong all the time. But apparently they don't mind to be mislead. Very strange....very unique in Europe.
Mark,
You raise a very interesting point with the "US concoction". Once the majority of countries recognize Kosovo I will be even a prouder US citizen knowing that my country was able to "force all these countries". You know however pretty well that despite its great influence in the world the US could not force so many countries. In short that argument of the Serbs is awfully childish.
The Arab world will not come out and recognize "Kosova" because they know its a fraud an sham and don't want to pick up the bill once the S finds another project. They have no love for the US and are disgusted that the ALbanian's are humiliating themselves silly waving the stars and stripes. The Moslem world is not stupid and are aware that this is attempt by the US to partially compensate for their wrongdoings in the Middle East. I think the Kingdom SA has or intends to recognise Kosova. It being the Custodian's of Islam' holiest sites, they have a repuatation to uphold and its another attempt to show their legitimacy in the Islamic world. I think SOmalia may reconise Kosova next.
What can I say just that to thanks these two countries on making the right choice.
Thank you Burkina Faso, Thank you Nauru.
Quality of world's countries that have already recognized Kosovo is that we already have, now here it comes quantity. Keep 'em comming.
It will come a day when more that 110 countries will recognize Kosovo and the only argument that the Serbs in here will have it's going to be like,,,, o wait a minute, Somalia didn't recognize Kosovo yet, and we all "know" that the Somalia is very, very "democratic" country.
Come on Russia do your move, now is the time :P
This recognition business very much starts to look like the Coalition of the Willing. This coalition is said to have had about 49 countries. Is this number where the recognition game will peak? Expect countries like Palau and Solomon Islands to recognise Kosovo soon.
Haha, they are no longer scraping the bottom of the barrel, they are digging into the enamel. I've heard about Burkina Faso, once, Nauru...not that much. Oh well, now when the "important" counties ;-) are done, (sorry I can't not laugh), maybe the tribe UkuTuku will put the finishing touches on the grandiose failure of our misguided citizens living a lie in the Serbian province of KosovO.
I am not changing my opinions or my sides, I have always said that the ideal solution would have been a mutual agreement, I can see that it is not possible and I think that Kosovo independence was indeed the only realistic solution to the problem, however, as I have ALWAYS said here, the price for Kosovo to pay for their UDI was to remain independent, but outside of the UN, NATO, EU, OECD, IMF etc. They are now pushing for membership in all these major organizations and thus causing a great divide on a global sphere, as countries have chosen not to recognize Kosovo for whatever reason they see fit, and now they will be pressured into accepting Kosovo by the larger, Western countries, regardless of their interests.
This does not make me lean towards any side, this is my objective opinion on how this Kosovo independence is turning out, and I do not see it as being very democratic at all, hence my comments as they are.
To conclude: a country has the right to decide if they want to recognize Kosovo, no one has the right to pressure them or tell them what to do, a country must think of their own interests first, this is the price Kosovo had to pay so as not to end up as a frozen conflict, like in the ex-USSR.
Funcakes
I agree with what you say, but first Kosovo has to reach that 2/3 of the General Assembly, which is 129 countries, I don't know if this will happen or not, but it's a big goal to achieve. Also, one counter argument is also China. If both China and Russia maintain their vetos, as well as even half of the UN, I doubt they will abstain from it. Either way, time will tell, I don't think any of us can really tell at this early stage.
Wow. I just found this website. I am from Burkina Faso. Why are you serbs mocking my country?
Our territory is 4 times bigger than Serbia. Our population is almost twice as big as serbs.
By reading this mockery, I am strongly supporting the news state of Kosovo!
(Tulu, 24 April 2008 15:30)
YOu are right MR. Tulu
No one should make a mockery about your lovely country.
How come if the US is pressuring its allies to recognize Kosova, how come Kuwaitt is not on the list. A country that the US saved, big business partners, big US base, same thing with Qatar... I wonder the pressure you are referring to. I am not so sure anymore.
I have accepted the state I live in - I'll give you a clue as to what its identity is - it's not called Serbia anymore. (And Jovan, keep dreaming!)
Now I think Niall, YOU should follow your own advice and grow up! Or at least learn!
Albanians tried hard to integrate for decades although, in my opinion, that should have never happened. People should not be expected to integrate in their own lands. That's something you expect from the immigrants!!! It is however the country that is supposed to be modified to equally incorporate all the people it maintains are its citizens. Especially when that country is being built from scratch like SFRY was after WWII. And stop saying that for anything worthwhile in Kosovo we should be thankful to Serbia or SFRY. The only economic progress made in Kosovo coincides with the adoption of the 1974 constitution when Kosovo achieved autonomy and a level of self rule within the federation. It also coincides with the opening of Prishtina University. Kosovo's economy was improving considerably by mid 1980s. The same totally collapsed after Milosevic suspended the autonomy.
Now, we're no angels and we have to accept some responsibility for everything that's happened but we're not going to share it 50% - 50% with the acronyms I mentioned in the previous post. If you made an honest attempt to look at these things from a neutral point of view, you'd realise it too.
Jovan
I may not contribute as often as other people on this website but I do follow it quite regularly. You, and some other contributors here, make no attempt to hide (or even disguise) your antipathy and feeling of superiority you have towards the Albanians.
I have been meaning to ask you for a while now, why do you think you are so much better than us?
Why is it that eventually you always resort to insults? You often call us uneducated and criminals.
What's the ex SFRY capital that in the 1990s resembled Chicago in the 1920s?
Which country's crime clans murdered its Prime Minister? No clues here!
Which country's citizen was cought with 500 kg of pure cocaine by the Macedonian authorities last year?
Who's the spouse of the above mentioned criminal and what's their position in that country?
I could go on and on and I don't even have to 'go far' to find the info, it's all here in b92.
I welcome a debate but please let's not insult each other. And there's also no need for feelings of superiority on either side as we're equally good/bad!
Peter, it's not as easy as it seems. Vetoes are a very sensitive issue, especially if you want to go against 2/3 of the UN member states.
See, you could probably contemplate a veto if it received 40%, 50%, even 60% recognition...but when you go to the 67% recognition zone, that veto would be so hard to justify that the only choice left would be to abstain.
And if you think that Russia will go against 2/3 of the UN, then we'll let time have it's say.
However by that time, Kosovo will be integrated in so many world bodies where Russia doesn't have a veto that it will look ridiculous and childish for Russia.
A country like Serbia can afford to look ridiculous in the world stage, but a country like Russia has to take under consideration much bigger factors. And luckily it's a country that has retreated in countless occasions.
PRN:
> One or two countries recognising Kosovo every day or two is enough for us to reach 100 in couple of months.
Dear oh dear.. seems to be dreaming again... WAKE UP!
(peter, Sydney)
Dear Peter,
The common sense is saying that number of countries recognising Kosovo is going UP, and the number of countries that have not YET recognised Kosovo is going DOWN...
Am I wrong so far???
Even for a teenager this would be clear, and that saying that "you are dreaming" is making me think that you are too young young to realise even this...
(B92 should NOT allow childish comments in here...)
Oh boy, I hope you are not claiming that you have some kind of prophetic powers to sense how future will unfold...if yes, then this is not the right place for you...as you can make money by charging people through telling how their life will evolve....
The point you make is valid although really depends on just how stubborn the russians want to be. For instance, present regime in US is quite capable of going against just about every country in the world. So who knows.
But don't seriously think will come to that as truly believe recognitions are petering out.
Take a look at the bar graph in my previous post (#27).
Didn't bother to put a legend on it as is pretty self-explanatory, but just in case:
Vertical axis represents no. of countries that have recognised on a particular day - represented by 'X's.
Horizontal axis is the time line. Look underneath a particular 'X' to identify the date.
So those first 7 'X's siting one on top of each other means that 7 countries recognised UDI on the 18th of Feb, then 2 countries on the 19th etc.
Have split the graph into 2 sections because of width constraints.
Disregard all the dots & commas. Had to use them to get the spacing right (ariel font uses variable width fields).
Source is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reaction_to_the_2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence
Also didn't put Malaysia on the graph due to this article which brings into question Malaysian recognition: http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=328837
26 recognitions in the 1st month/wave, 9 in the 2nd, 3 in the 3rd. Is apparent that as time goes on, momentum behind recognition dissolves. In addition, doubt if US will be 'pushing' for much longer. Is not in their interests. Last thing they want is a truly independent so-called 'republic of Kosovo.'
As I said.. will be lucky to get 50.
PRN:
Was simply treating your comment with the consideration it deserves.
Using this argument:
> The common sense is saying that number of countries recognising Kosovo is going UP, and the number of countries that have not YET recognised Kosovo is going DOWN...
...to reach this conclusion:
> One or two countries recognising Kosovo every day or two is enough for us to reach 100 in couple of months.
...is ludicrous.
So you must have been dreaming.. so I woke you up. It worked as you now appear to be listening.
Now pay attention junior.
The realationship between recognition & time is anything but linear. In fact, it appears to be akin to a series of bell curves, with ever decreasing maxima, with ever increasing spacing. This points to a finite upper limit on the total number of recognitions on the order of about 50 (2N).
Whoever said they were proud of the US "forcing" countries to recognise Kosovo with its influence should be ashamed. A government which literally bullies other countries into doing what it wants, conducting nuclear tests on places like the Marshall Islands and Nauru, exploiting countries for their resources, and launching air strikes on places like Somalia like it did a few weeks ago supposedly because of "terrorism" and using its influence in such a terrible, un democratic way is something which you should be ashamed of, not boasting about as if having influence and power over the world is synonymous with moral virtue.
so, much later when you marry and get some children better teach your children also the serbian language in order to make sure that they will be able to find a job, when they start looking for work...
Listen Jovan, serbs like you would better start to teach to your kids some Chinese , Hindu, or Korean (you should know Russian already by now ), because this is the future of Serbia for you. In this way they have a chance to get a job in Russia for $3 a day, in China for $2 and India maybe $1 a day.
As far as for K-Albanians don't worry. They went in Germany, Switzerland, Belgium , USA.
Now K-Albanians are bussy building Bondsteel.
The time to work for Serbia has gone for good.
sure they do know that albanians helped Senegal ,burkinafaso and some other countries in building water plant and solar plant in the desert.Not Serbian ,but albanian guys did it as expat of the french and the suiss gvt!others will follow like mauritania,niger cap veert...
thank you burkina faso and nauru!
Just 1 thing, Kosova is recognized by the most powerfull democratic states of the world, all G7 memebers, the richest. Don't you see? so please stop kidding. Kosova took it's way. Let's talk now about relations between Kosova and Serbia. One day you'll understand just be realistic.and we all have the same path--European Union. So No dreams of Kostunica's policy. Vote modern and democratic partys.
The Serb people brought Slobodan Milošević to power in 1990's you lost Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia and eventually Montenegro and Kosovo in 2008
How can you expect the world to listen to you if you keep referring to Kosovo people as "Albanian terrorist" and "Albanian Separates" and not once you refer to them as "Serbian Citizens living in Kosovo" or "Serbian Citizen from Albanian origin".
Now if the Serb people bring Vojislav Koštunica & the radicals to power, they will also lose Autonomous Province of Vojvodina and SR in Bosnia.
Out of 53 African countries, only 2 have recognised this illegal puppet entity. What more can be said?
(ZK UK, 24 April 2008 14:58)
a lot can be said, of course. everytime you repeat yourself, the list of countries grows, it's not your job, I guess, but thanks. let's see, what happens after the elections in Serbia on international level.
You're laughing at Burkina Faso, but at this time this UNSC member is a lot more powerful than Serbia. They are probably laughing at you! By the way, did you all hear the new estimates? Albania and Croatia are estimated to join EU in 2011 and 2010 respectively. We better start securing our borders for the upcoming Serb immigration :)
Wow. I just found this website. I am from Burkina Faso. Why are you serbs mocking my country?
Our territory is 4 times bigger than Serbia. Our population is almost twice as big as serbs.
By reading this mockery, I am strongly supporting the news state of Kosovo!
While Serbian Government is working hard to stop recognition, the UN independent member countries are deciding to recognise Kosovo.
One or two countries recognising Kosovo every day or two is enough for us to reach 100 in couple of months.
We dont care wether they are poor/dependent and/or have good relations with the USA or the EU but we care only if they are UN members...
BTW we have succesfully overcome the TEST of recognition by the richest and most influential countries in the world...now we are focused on developing (Second World countries) or underdeveloped (Third World) countries...
I am worried about Mr. Jeremic's routine work (which I suppose is getting boring by now) of calling amabsadors (making them jobless) and booking tickets back home...
Sorry Mr. Jeremic, this policy is counterproductive as it increases, (already very high), unemployment in Serbia, and moreover it is a fatastic way of how to waste Serbian tax payers money (by booking tickets and hotels for ambasadors)...
Dear Serbian friends...time for self-reflection and critical thinking...
i find it fascinating that this abominable u.s. project of a fake state in the territory of kosovo is failing in such a way that the u.s. have to engage in stuff like this. my heart goes out to these volcanic rocks that are used and abused in this way. but it's a good sign for serbia, this strage activity to scrape the bottom of the barrel and make an impression that there's progress in this abject failure, "kosova".
kosovo on the other hand is a serb province you know :)
Thank you Burkina Faso and Nauru. While some readers on here might poke fun at you, remember that a vote is a vote, and two votes is even better. The ultimate goal is the General Assembly. You have come out on the side of the most powerful and prosperous countries in the world which have recognized the new state of Kosova. Thank you again to you both! More will follow.
Jovan, of course we see the pattern...you have not noticed it yet?
USA, Germany, UK, France, Italy, Canada, Japan, South Korea...pretty hard to miss this kind of pattern. :)
Burkina Faso is a huge blow for the Serbs however. First, because it's UNSC member at this time, and second.....because it's in Africa, and Africa seemed to be resisting recognition.
Well, not for long. In a game where numbers count, we'll take Antarctica too if it were a country.
So it looks like weak little island states are now being arm twisted into recognition.
Is this supposed to be wave three? Pressurising little islands into breaking international law? Again, the question remains, which one will be the first to reverse it?
It won't be too long before they need some assistance from the UN and fall in the way of Russia and China. Bets anyone?
"seems like only those wo are dependent from others ( whom I do not have to mention, I guess ) are "recognizing" the puppet-entity..."
Jovan, are you trying to say tha also all western europeam countries depend on USA and that is why the recognized Kosova.
The most important countries have done it allready in first month, now as the rest comes we need them only as a number.
Oh how Tulu, how convenient you found our little site on the big world wide web, what did you do, type in 'Burkina Faso' and see world making headlines? HAHA
"Internet use is also low in the country (Burkina Faso), with only 40 users per 10,000 inhabitants"
You must be one of only afew with internet access, and you're using it to comment on B92, get your priorities straight! There are millions in your country not fortunate enough to have internet access, I think there was more meaningful ways to use it, rather then posting on a news site.
"We might not get some countries in the Russia-China-India triangle...or the Brazil-Venezuela-Argentina triangle.....but we'll work our magic elsewhere, and there's enough countries out there to reach UN majority and perhaps even 2/3 of the UN General Assembly. Which you know what that means right? South/North Korea scenario and Russian veto off the window! "
1. Membership in the United Nations is open to all other peace-loving states which accept the obligations contained in the present Charter and, in the judgment of the Organization, are able and willing to carry out these obligations.
2. The admission of any such state to membership in the United Nations will be effected by a decision of the General Assembly upon the recommendation of the Security Council.
— United Nations Charter, Chapter 2, Article 4, http://www.un.org/aboutun/charter/
The only thing that's "off the window" is every Kosovo Albanian's fantasy that 2/3 of the General Assembly is enough to grant them membership.
These criticisms of Burkina Faso's dependency on the US are a bit ironic as Serbia slides toward its own dependency. Will Serbia be Russia's Balkan Burkina Faso?
Wow, this is great news!!!
Somehow I imagined that for Burkina Faso, the ex-Dahomay the recognition will take longer. Nice surprise.
K-Albanians my heartfelt congratulation to you!
First you got the important wave of rich democratic Western countries, who will aid, support and protect you for as long as needed.
Slowly the second wave will start, what I call the "numbers game". Many poor and small countries with a UN vote will recognize you. After a while it will look like a football (soccer) game. The young Kosovo team will go from success to success. Yes you will win this championship at the delight of millions of your supporters.
Congratulations again!
first, those amusing attempts to belittle Serbia as a puppet of "Mother Russia" ...or Siberia as some rather high-educated k-albanian boy has written once... they must have their own situation in mind! it´s called projection, if our albanian friends have heard about it at all before...
then those cynical, almost desperate comments about Mr.Jeremic visiting other STATES ;)
kids, don´t worry, we know that you are desperate, you don´t have to be so cynical!
the man is doing his job, and so far, you have only the opportunity to cheer about small pacific islands or dependent african republics...
quite a reason to be happy, as it seems... :)
last but not least this wishful thinking... talking about "waves"...
the only waves in regard to k-albanians are those of criminal clan-members spread all over europe´s prisons or underworld and being the reason why Albanians are so loved in europe...
ps: isn´t a little bit doubtful that someone from burkina faso makes comments here? I´d say it´s the usual ineffectual attempt of an albanian youth to deceive...
but, ...you have to be smarter, my young friend, much smarter...
Marshall Islands, Burkina Faso, Nauru... not much left in the barrel :))
ps: personally don't think Nauru should count.. before too long, will be nothing but a few pinnacles sticking out of the sea.
Sidi:
> The ultimate goal is the General Assembly.
No chance - see below.
PRN:
> One or two countries recognising Kosovo every day or two is enough for us to reach 100 in couple of months.
Dear oh dear.. seems to be dreaming again... WAKE UP!
Tulu:
> Wow. I just found this website. I am from Burkina Faso. Why are you serbs mocking my country?
And this story just came up. Interesting co-incidence - what are the chances...
On the slim chance that you are not part of the K-albanian propaganda dept, people here are not really mocking your country (well.. maybe a couple), but the US desire to force recognition of puppet state.
Funcakes:
Think you need a reality check. Again.
Russian veto will apply regardless. Here's the UN link:
pana:
> 2 months passed and 40 states counting.
Doesn't seem you can. Is 38 not 40.
To all:
Here's a bar graph showing countries which have formally recognised so-called 'republic of Kosovo' as a function of time.
38 countries have recognised up to Apr 24.
K-albanian camp seem to like talking about these 'waves' of recognition. Is readily apparent from this that these waves are becoming the occasional ripple. 100 countries? Will be lucky to get 50.
Feb 17 - Apr 03
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“Burkina Faso recognizes the existence of a new sovereign state, in keeping with international law,” reads a statement from the Ouagadougou authorities.
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I think Burkina Faso has volunteered to be the first country Serbia sues in the World court for breaking international law.
Out of 53 African countries, only 2 have recognised this illegal puppet entity. What more can be said?
Time and time again the Serbs fall for the lies of their politicians. At first according to Serbian politicians, Kosova was only an internal matter of Serbia, and you all bought that, even though bombs were falling on your heads. After that your leaders told you that it is guaranteed that Kosova will not be allowed to declare independence, and you all bought it again. Then they told you that Kosovo will not be recognized by anyone even if it did declare its independence, and you all bought it. Then they told that even if some countries recognized it, Russia in the UNSC will instantly invalidate it, and you all bought it. Now they are telling you that Serbia has successfully stopped recognition of Kosova by other countries, and you are all buying it even if UN members are recognizing it and you are learning it by reading about it yourself, yet the number keeps growing.
I can't help but think that either you are gullible or somehow have this feeling of infallibility. Whichever it is that's what brought you where we are now. It wasn't the US, and it wasn't NATO or the EU. It was you, the Serbs.
Thank you, Burkina Faso, the 2nd African nation (with land and population a lot larger than Serbia's) to recognize the newest European state of independent Kosova.
What I'm really wondering is how all these Serbs that speak against independence (and claim it as a "US concoction" although being supported by a majority of the Western states) will feel once a majority of the world recognizes Kosova's independence.
Will they still tell themselves that the US forced the whole world to recognize it? Will they once again bury themselves in the illusion that their "reality" is more real than the world's reality, and Kosova is still an occupied part of Yugoslavia (which doesn't exist anymore, and Kosova isn't even occupied by the Serbs any more)?
Well, you can bully the small countries all you want, but it's not like they're the only ones who have recognized.
It's not like only the 9000 people country or the $1200 country has recognized. You forget the 70% of world wealth that came before that!
Of course the smaller ones are going to be coming up next.....it's just the spoils of victory! You win the big guys, and the big guys bring you the small ones too!
We might not get some countries in the Russia-China-India triangle...or the Brazil-Venezuela-Argentina triangle.....but we'll work our magic elsewhere, and there's enough countries out there to reach UN majority and perhaps even 2/3 of the UN General Assembly. Which you know what that means right? South/North Korea scenario and Russian veto off the window!
So keep bullying the small puppies, but big things always come in small packages!
Funny how the Albanian commentators gleefully acknowledge that "a vote is a vote (in the UN)" when insignificant countries support their illegal declaration of independence but completely dismiss those states such as Cyprus, Spain, Russia, China, India, Brazil, Argentina (should I go on?)that vehemently oppose such proclamations as being 'insignificant on the world stage.'
it was the kla-terrorists...who were killing innocent Serbs and Albanians alike.
where´s your pride and honesty when it´s about innocent poeple, no matter of which ethnicity?
do you hide those facts only because it suits your greater albanian ideology???
that would mean that you don´t care for the poeple, but only for power...
unfortunately, as it seems the K-albanians will never rule the serbian province, since as soon as the western occupiers leave, and ...you can count on that, Serbia will re-establish it´s control over all of the sovereign serbian state-territory.
and, ...I am convinced, that the US and their "allies" won´t stay as long as the Ottomans did!
so, much later when you marry and get some children better teach your children also the serbian language in order to make sure that they will be able to find a job, when they start looking for work...
but once again, let´s recall the truth again, it was the kla-bandits who started the mess...
sure they do know that albanians helped Senegal ,burkinafaso and some other countries in building water plant and solar plant in the desert.Not Serbian ,but albanian guys did it as expat of the french and the suiss gvt!others will follow like mauritania,niger cap veert...
thank you burkina faso and nauru!
The Serb people brought Slobodan Milošević to power in 1990's you lost Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Macedonia and eventually Montenegro and Kosovo in 2008
How can you expect the world to listen to you if you keep referring to Kosovo people as "Albanian terrorist" and "Albanian Separates" and not once you refer to them as "Serbian Citizens living in Kosovo" or "Serbian Citizen from Albanian origin".
Now if the Serb people bring Vojislav Koštunica & the radicals to power, they will also lose Autonomous Province of Vojvodina and SR in Bosnia.
2 months passed and 40 states counting. I guess Serbs in this website are getting sarcastic... just because some countries have recognized Kosovo, it does not mean they are under pressure...or just because some Serb politician (I think it was Nicolic) declared few months ago that Serbia should become Russian province it does not mean he was pressured.
Expect to see other Pacific microstates like Tuvalu and Micronesia to follow. They'll be dancing on the streets of Pristina.
"Wow. I just found this website. I am from Burkina Faso. Why are you serbs mocking my country?
Our territory is 4 times bigger than Serbia. Our population is almost twice as big as serbs.
By reading this mockery, I am strongly supporting the news state of Kosovo!
(Tulu, 24 April 2008 15:30)"
Hey whats this. Am I imagining things or are some of the Albanian teenagers now taking on African alias. Wow, BF recognises 'Kosova' and all of a sudden we have a 'Burkino Fasian' (read K-Albanian) on this website. Truly amazing coincidence it is. Is this the best you lot can up with. LMFAO.
"The mess, as anyone in our neighbourhood will testify, was started by the SANU/SPS/SRS/JUL/JNA/MUP/UDB.
Good luck trying to convince the world that all your neighbours are wrong and that only you are right!
(Blerimi, 25 April 2008 12:29)"
Yes, let the childish blame game commence. Blame everybody else for your misfortune except yourselves.
Blerimi, if I were you, i'd take one good, long hard look in the mirror. Fact is you lot made no attempt whatsoever to integrate into mainstream Yugoslav society which showed your utter contempt for the Yugoslav state and its people despite the Yugoslav and Serb people bending over backwards to accomodate you.
Grow up my friend and accept the state you live in..... the Republic of Serbia. You will have to anyway eventually.
Just 1 thing, Kosova is recognized by the most powerfull democratic states of the world, all G7 memebers, the richest. Don't you see? so please stop kidding. Kosova took it's way. Let's talk now about relations between Kosova and Serbia. One day you'll understand just be realistic.and we all have the same path--European Union. So No dreams of Kostunica's policy. Vote modern and democratic partys.
Nauru is a country with population of 9000 and without a capital city. In 1980 Nauru recognized Taiwan but in 2002 they took 60 million $ of aid from PR of China and withdrew their recognition. But in 2005 they recognized Taiwan again. Colorful.
What can I say just that to thanks these two countries on making the right choice.
Thank you Burkina Faso, Thank you Nauru.
Quality of world's countries that have already recognized Kosovo is that we already have, now here it comes quantity. Keep 'em comming.
It will come a day when more that 110 countries will recognize Kosovo and the only argument that the Serbs in here will have it's going to be like,,,, o wait a minute, Somalia didn't recognize Kosovo yet, and we all "know" that the Somalia is very, very "democratic" country.
Come on Russia do your move, now is the time :P
Peter, it's not as easy as it seems. Vetoes are a very sensitive issue, especially if you want to go against 2/3 of the UN member states.
See, you could probably contemplate a veto if it received 40%, 50%, even 60% recognition...but when you go to the 67% recognition zone, that veto would be so hard to justify that the only choice left would be to abstain.
And if you think that Russia will go against 2/3 of the UN, then we'll let time have it's say.
However by that time, Kosovo will be integrated in so many world bodies where Russia doesn't have a veto that it will look ridiculous and childish for Russia.
A country like Serbia can afford to look ridiculous in the world stage, but a country like Russia has to take under consideration much bigger factors. And luckily it's a country that has retreated in countless occasions.
How can you say that those countries who support Kosova's independence "unveiling their vassalage" and on the other side express your anger to those who think "...for Serbia amusing attempts to belittle Serbia as a puppet of "Mother Russia"?
I owe an apology to Burkina Faso as I don't believe in any particular relevance whether it recognised Kosova's independence but it is time to say Thank you as a matter of courtesy.
Jovanovic,
As you can see I am being very pragmatic and we have to be realistic! All it counts in the REAL world is the support from USA, EU and and those who have real voice in the world's political and economical world! Show a bit of respect towards the independent sovereign countries otherwise you have to acccept the Serbia is a Russian puppet and secondly in two months the Kosovar Albanians are not doing bad. Just wait after the Serbian election and you will see that the wave of countries whom recognise Kosova's independence will grow much faster that you can expect.
Peter,
What is going on with you changing opionions and sides all the time?
Yes, somehow the Serbs seem to buy everything from their politicians, who turn out to be wrong all the time. But apparently they don't mind to be mislead. Very strange....very unique in Europe.
Mark,
You raise a very interesting point with the "US concoction". Once the majority of countries recognize Kosovo I will be even a prouder US citizen knowing that my country was able to "force all these countries". You know however pretty well that despite its great influence in the world the US could not force so many countries. In short that argument of the Serbs is awfully childish.
PRN:
> One or two countries recognising Kosovo every day or two is enough for us to reach 100 in couple of months.
Dear oh dear.. seems to be dreaming again... WAKE UP!
(peter, Sydney)
Dear Peter,
The common sense is saying that number of countries recognising Kosovo is going UP, and the number of countries that have not YET recognised Kosovo is going DOWN...
Am I wrong so far???
Even for a teenager this would be clear, and that saying that "you are dreaming" is making me think that you are too young young to realise even this...
(B92 should NOT allow childish comments in here...)
Oh boy, I hope you are not claiming that you have some kind of prophetic powers to sense how future will unfold...if yes, then this is not the right place for you...as you can make money by charging people through telling how their life will evolve....
How come if the US is pressuring its allies to recognize Kosova, how come Kuwaitt is not on the list. A country that the US saved, big business partners, big US base, same thing with Qatar... I wonder the pressure you are referring to. I am not so sure anymore.
Wow. I just found this website. I am from Burkina Faso. Why are you serbs mocking my country?
Our territory is 4 times bigger than Serbia. Our population is almost twice as big as serbs.
By reading this mockery, I am strongly supporting the news state of Kosovo!
(Tulu, 24 April 2008 15:30)
YOu are right MR. Tulu
No one should make a mockery about your lovely country.
Haha, they are no longer scraping the bottom of the barrel, they are digging into the enamel. I've heard about Burkina Faso, once, Nauru...not that much. Oh well, now when the "important" counties ;-) are done, (sorry I can't not laugh), maybe the tribe UkuTuku will put the finishing touches on the grandiose failure of our misguided citizens living a lie in the Serbian province of KosovO.
so, much later when you marry and get some children better teach your children also the serbian language in order to make sure that they will be able to find a job, when they start looking for work...
Listen Jovan, serbs like you would better start to teach to your kids some Chinese , Hindu, or Korean (you should know Russian already by now ), because this is the future of Serbia for you. In this way they have a chance to get a job in Russia for $3 a day, in China for $2 and India maybe $1 a day.
As far as for K-Albanians don't worry. They went in Germany, Switzerland, Belgium , USA.
Now K-Albanians are bussy building Bondsteel.
The time to work for Serbia has gone for good.
The point you make is valid although really depends on just how stubborn the russians want to be. For instance, present regime in US is quite capable of going against just about every country in the world. So who knows.
But don't seriously think will come to that as truly believe recognitions are petering out.
Take a look at the bar graph in my previous post (#27).
Didn't bother to put a legend on it as is pretty self-explanatory, but just in case:
Vertical axis represents no. of countries that have recognised on a particular day - represented by 'X's.
Horizontal axis is the time line. Look underneath a particular 'X' to identify the date.
So those first 7 'X's siting one on top of each other means that 7 countries recognised UDI on the 18th of Feb, then 2 countries on the 19th etc.
Have split the graph into 2 sections because of width constraints.
Disregard all the dots & commas. Had to use them to get the spacing right (ariel font uses variable width fields).
Source is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reaction_to_the_2008_Kosovo_declaration_of_independence
Also didn't put Malaysia on the graph due to this article which brings into question Malaysian recognition: http://www.bernama.com.my/bernama/v3/news.php?id=328837
26 recognitions in the 1st month/wave, 9 in the 2nd, 3 in the 3rd. Is apparent that as time goes on, momentum behind recognition dissolves. In addition, doubt if US will be 'pushing' for much longer. Is not in their interests. Last thing they want is a truly independent so-called 'republic of Kosovo.'
As I said.. will be lucky to get 50.
PRN:
Was simply treating your comment with the consideration it deserves.
Using this argument:
> The common sense is saying that number of countries recognising Kosovo is going UP, and the number of countries that have not YET recognised Kosovo is going DOWN...
...to reach this conclusion:
> One or two countries recognising Kosovo every day or two is enough for us to reach 100 in couple of months.
...is ludicrous.
So you must have been dreaming.. so I woke you up. It worked as you now appear to be listening.
Now pay attention junior.
The realationship between recognition & time is anything but linear. In fact, it appears to be akin to a series of bell curves, with ever decreasing maxima, with ever increasing spacing. This points to a finite upper limit on the total number of recognitions on the order of about 50 (2N).
I have accepted the state I live in - I'll give you a clue as to what its identity is - it's not called Serbia anymore. (And Jovan, keep dreaming!)
Now I think Niall, YOU should follow your own advice and grow up! Or at least learn!
Albanians tried hard to integrate for decades although, in my opinion, that should have never happened. People should not be expected to integrate in their own lands. That's something you expect from the immigrants!!! It is however the country that is supposed to be modified to equally incorporate all the people it maintains are its citizens. Especially when that country is being built from scratch like SFRY was after WWII. And stop saying that for anything worthwhile in Kosovo we should be thankful to Serbia or SFRY. The only economic progress made in Kosovo coincides with the adoption of the 1974 constitution when Kosovo achieved autonomy and a level of self rule within the federation. It also coincides with the opening of Prishtina University. Kosovo's economy was improving considerably by mid 1980s. The same totally collapsed after Milosevic suspended the autonomy.
Now, we're no angels and we have to accept some responsibility for everything that's happened but we're not going to share it 50% - 50% with the acronyms I mentioned in the previous post. If you made an honest attempt to look at these things from a neutral point of view, you'd realise it too.
Jovan
I may not contribute as often as other people on this website but I do follow it quite regularly. You, and some other contributors here, make no attempt to hide (or even disguise) your antipathy and feeling of superiority you have towards the Albanians.
I have been meaning to ask you for a while now, why do you think you are so much better than us?
Why is it that eventually you always resort to insults? You often call us uneducated and criminals.
What's the ex SFRY capital that in the 1990s resembled Chicago in the 1920s?
Which country's crime clans murdered its Prime Minister? No clues here!
Which country's citizen was cought with 500 kg of pure cocaine by the Macedonian authorities last year?
Who's the spouse of the above mentioned criminal and what's their position in that country?
I could go on and on and I don't even have to 'go far' to find the info, it's all here in b92.
I welcome a debate but please let's not insult each other. And there's also no need for feelings of superiority on either side as we're equally good/bad!
You're laughing at Burkina Faso, but at this time this UNSC member is a lot more powerful than Serbia. They are probably laughing at you! By the way, did you all hear the new estimates? Albania and Croatia are estimated to join EU in 2011 and 2010 respectively. We better start securing our borders for the upcoming Serb immigration :)
The Arab world will not come out and recognize "Kosova" because they know its a fraud an sham and don't want to pick up the bill once the S finds another project. They have no love for the US and are disgusted that the ALbanian's are humiliating themselves silly waving the stars and stripes. The Moslem world is not stupid and are aware that this is attempt by the US to partially compensate for their wrongdoings in the Middle East. I think the Kingdom SA has or intends to recognise Kosova. It being the Custodian's of Islam' holiest sites, they have a repuatation to uphold and its another attempt to show their legitimacy in the Islamic world. I think SOmalia may reconise Kosova next.
Out of 53 African countries, only 2 have recognised this illegal puppet entity. What more can be said?
(ZK UK, 24 April 2008 14:58)
a lot can be said, of course. everytime you repeat yourself, the list of countries grows, it's not your job, I guess, but thanks. let's see, what happens after the elections in Serbia on international level.
This recognition business very much starts to look like the Coalition of the Willing. This coalition is said to have had about 49 countries. Is this number where the recognition game will peak? Expect countries like Palau and Solomon Islands to recognise Kosovo soon.
I am not changing my opinions or my sides, I have always said that the ideal solution would have been a mutual agreement, I can see that it is not possible and I think that Kosovo independence was indeed the only realistic solution to the problem, however, as I have ALWAYS said here, the price for Kosovo to pay for their UDI was to remain independent, but outside of the UN, NATO, EU, OECD, IMF etc. They are now pushing for membership in all these major organizations and thus causing a great divide on a global sphere, as countries have chosen not to recognize Kosovo for whatever reason they see fit, and now they will be pressured into accepting Kosovo by the larger, Western countries, regardless of their interests.
This does not make me lean towards any side, this is my objective opinion on how this Kosovo independence is turning out, and I do not see it as being very democratic at all, hence my comments as they are.
To conclude: a country has the right to decide if they want to recognize Kosovo, no one has the right to pressure them or tell them what to do, a country must think of their own interests first, this is the price Kosovo had to pay so as not to end up as a frozen conflict, like in the ex-USSR.
Funcakes
I agree with what you say, but first Kosovo has to reach that 2/3 of the General Assembly, which is 129 countries, I don't know if this will happen or not, but it's a big goal to achieve. Also, one counter argument is also China. If both China and Russia maintain their vetos, as well as even half of the UN, I doubt they will abstain from it. Either way, time will tell, I don't think any of us can really tell at this early stage.
Whoever said they were proud of the US "forcing" countries to recognise Kosovo with its influence should be ashamed. A government which literally bullies other countries into doing what it wants, conducting nuclear tests on places like the Marshall Islands and Nauru, exploiting countries for their resources, and launching air strikes on places like Somalia like it did a few weeks ago supposedly because of "terrorism" and using its influence in such a terrible, un democratic way is something which you should be ashamed of, not boasting about as if having influence and power over the world is synonymous with moral virtue.
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