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Thursday, 31.01.2008.

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Thaci wants “good neighborly relations” with Serbia

Hashim Thaci says that Kosovo will strive to form good neighborly relations with all countries in the region.

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erni

pre 16 godina

you know what! HE IS MAKING THE POINT LIKE E DIPLOMAT lie I say'd before if kosovo believ's serbia it will be still a threat to albanians the only think for albanians is to start there electric fence in the border with serbia, similar israeli style as they did for they safety..

tesla

pre 16 godina

"You had one leader who was clever and new how to sort out serbia,s problems MR ZORAN DJINDJIC and you serbs decided to KILL HIM.(gaz, 1 February 2008 22:32)"

This probably qualifies as one of the most ignorant posts to start off 2008. Surprised Big brother B92 did not catch this one.

Was Djindic murdered by elements within the mafia or was he murdered by the collective Serbian people who mourned him en masse and gave him one of the largest state funerals in modern history?

When will the lies against Serbs stop? Do some Albanians really think this way? Sad.

PS

pre 16 godina

I think we need to find a more creative solution to the Kosovo problem. The problem seems to be with the aspirations of its 2 million population and high Albanian birth rate. Since the 2 million Kosovo Albanians want jobs, money etc they should be given access to the EU so that they can come and work in the UK and other EU countries. This will have the immediate effect of reducing the population and therefore need for independence. These people like all of us just want a better life.

gaz

pre 16 godina

Why do you serbs still cannot accept the fact that your country has been run since the early nineties by failed politicians who lied to you by propaganda an led you to believe that serbian territory was in danger from , croatia, bosnia, kosovo etc.
You had one leader who was clever and new how to sort out serbia,s problems MR ZORAN DJINDJIC and you serbs decided to KILL HIM.
i am an albanian and on sporting events i support serbian sportpersons like novak djokovic for example as he is from my neighbouring country.
i remember 20 years ago in yougoslavia many famous rock bands played in belgrade and you could say that yougoslavia was in the heart of europe. and now i can honestly say that i feel sorry for the serbian youth for the price they are having to pay for the big mistakes that serbian people made by supporting, Milosevic,Seselj,Arkan,Karadzic,Mladic and many others who contributed in ruining serbia.

And i dont think that Hashim Thaci is daydreaming, he is only fullfilling the wishes of 2 million albanians that and doing his job as a priminister

Ment

pre 16 godina

PB

Trepca might have something to do with this. However, I was born and raised in Albania and I'm very familiar with the Balkan countries' propensity to overinflate their strategic/historic importance and see conspiracies in just about anything that does not suit their interests. I guess constant warfare and intrigues have left us all seeing shadows everywhere.

Having said that, the EU and the US do not need to use the military to achieve their aims in the Balkans. Usually the promise of EU and NATO membership is more than enough to get the Balkan countries to do the things Brussels and Washington want them to do. Russia on the other hand, has nothing to offer, so it resorts to violence and bullying to achieve its aims.

I do not know why the West did not intervene in Rwanda and Sudan. It could have been the experience of Somalia and war fatigue in Iraq and Afghanistan, or maybe just a general disillusionment and apathy caused by the constant failure of African countries to get their act together.

Kosovo may have not been a genocide, but then again no one can say what would have happened had NATO not intervened. But it surely looked as if Kosovo would have become Bosnia all over again... and Bosnia was a case of genocide. Unfortunately, only you folks are still in denial of that fact.

PB

pre 16 godina

Ment - When you spend a Billion dollars a year controlling a region (that's all the Balkans, not just Kosovo)that contains over a TRILLION dollars of mineral wealth, I'd say that's a great return on your investment.

Logic dictates that it can't be any other reason, otherwise the "righteous and moral" US would have invaded Rwanda and Sudan to prevent REAL genocides from taking place instead of the so called genocide in Kosovo.

Being realistic, this no doubt is the real reason for Russia's intransigence on Kosovo recognition. Both sides want control.

Pijetro

pre 16 godina

I have to admit, it's interesting hearing a man of his shady background being schooled, narrated and propped up by Washington..

Belgrade politicians could learn a thing or three.

As far as Thachi's talks in Brussels, is HE the only one in the world who seems to be privy to such direct talks?

Is Brussels still the capital of a country that's on the brink of separation itself?

Mike:
I totally agree with everything you say.
But at this point, it's clearly out of the hands of men of good will....Albanian OR Serbian.

The US is helping in creating a wedge, by pushing it's own agenda, and never really cared about the best of all citizens living here..

Max

pre 16 godina

If he wants good relations with Serbia, first thing he should do is quit his phony post, pack his toothbrush an buy a one way ticket to the Hague

Ment

pre 16 godina

PB

It may be Trepca, or it maybe that both the US and the EU have their own share of "inat" with Serbia.

After all, billions of dollars have been spent over the years in maintaining peacekeepers in both Bosnia and Kosovo, not to mention the additional flow of aid to these war ravaged areas.

Don't you think this may be a good enough reason alone to "punish" Serbia with the removal of Kosovo?

PB

pre 16 godina

Maks - Get with the program. Serbia & Montenegro (as it was at the time), assumed the mantle of former Yugoslavia and was recognised as such by the UN. This is why Kosovo is legally a part of Serbia. If it wasn't, don't you think the US would have recognised Kosovo legally by now?? D'oH.

Ment - whatever Thaci declares is irrelevant, even if the US and western EU support him. We all know the real reason for their recognition - control of Trepca. Unfortunately, Kosovo will have no legal status and therefore no ability to exploit Trepca. If it was possible, the US and EU would already have recognised Kosovo legally. As they haven't, well, that speaks volumes.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Ment

You are correct. This is going to take a long time. Thaci has just acknowledged it.

"Kosovo's Prime Minister Hashim Thaci has hinted at a possible delay before an independence declaration, dampening speculation that it may be imminent."

It's on the BBC so it must be true! ;)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7220119.stm

Ment

pre 16 godina

Thaci did come off as a bit silly with the "Priština is prepared to recognize Serbia’s independence and of course it will ask the same" comment. Serbia has been a sovereign state for a while now. It's not trying to become independent from anyone. I suppose this was a Thaci "Bushism."

Also, this "independence in days/months/weeks" is getting old. All Albanians know that it will come, but if this guy does not have a firm date yet because of talks with the EU and the U.S., then he should simply say so. Albanians already realize that this will be a tricky, time consuming process.

To the Serbs, I'd suggest you hold your glee and jabs in check. A lot of these delays are mostly caused because of your elections, to make sure your electorate does not do something dumb and elect a Milosevic wannabe out of "inat."

If anything, it only highlights how little the West trusts the Serbs to be a mature/responsible electorate.

lids

pre 16 godina

"good neighborly relations"
should start in his own back yard with taking down barber wires,stop killing kids,stop destroying graves and stop making us laugh with promisses you can`t deliver.

George Z. Basha

pre 16 godina

Thaci is acting and behaving as a mature and responsible politician. Of course he knows that the international community is monitoring not only his words but, his body language too. I truly beleive that he is going to be a phenomenal Prime Minister, the one that Kosovo needs to move forward. He is going to be very reasonable toward the demands of the serb minority because as an ex KLA leader he is imune of the acusation by albanian extremist for giving serbs too much. By the same token he is concious that the integration of Kosovo in the EU and NATO depends at a great extend on the way that the albanian majority treats the other ethnic groups.

lids

pre 16 godina

"good neighborly relations"
should start in his own back yard with taking down barber wires,stop killing kids,stop destroying graves and stop making us laugh with promisses you can`t deliver.

Maks

pre 16 godina

-Now, Serbia will probably bleed badly if Kosovo does not recognize Serbia's independence. Did anyone inform this man that he is going to run semi independent pseudo Republic while resolution 1244 is in force which clearly states that Kosovo and Metohija is the Southern Province of Serbia and its integral part.
(bmrusila, 31 January 2008 11:31)

I sorry that I had to interfere in your “goody” chat but I want to emphasize that UN resolution 1244 recognize Kosova as integral part of Yugoslavia without any final status within Yugoslavia but certainly not as part of Serbia. As you know Yugoslavia is dead. Yugoslavia exists only in your. Yugoslavia is dead because of you having identified Yugoslavia the same entity as Serbia. You were wrong then, and you are wrong now. Yugoslavia “lives” only in your Press Agency TANJUG.

dimmy

pre 16 godina

Mr Thaci was talking about indepedence in months, weeks, days, hours and now again days, weeks and so on.
Mr Solana said he should wait till next month cause there are elections in Spain and I've heard something about elections on May in Anghola, Kongo, whatever.

STEVE

pre 16 godina

Thaci - you want “good neighborly relations” with Serbia - You better hope that you get those 'good relations' in the jail you will occupy!

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Not only is he deluded but also blind and detached from reality it seems.

So he will recognise Serbia's independence will he? Now that is delusion.

And he thinks no obstacle can stand in the way of independence becoming official. Official where? Certainly not in any international institutions that matter. Now that is blindness.

As he hopes that after declaring independence, Kosovo will have normal relations and communication with Serbia. I think he is completely detached from reality.

Now I just hope, for the sake of stability, that he is capable of controlling his temper when things don't work out as expected. In his case, many strings attached.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Serbia’s independence and of course it will ask the same – that Belgrade recognizes the independent and sovereign state of Kosovo

-Now, Serbia will probably bleed badly if Kosovo does not recognise Serbia's independence. Did anyone inform this man that he is going to run semi independent pseudo Republic while resolution 1244 is in force which clearly states that Kosovo and Metohija is the Southern Province of Serbia and its integral part.

dimmy

pre 16 godina

You keep saying that Kosovo is going to get indepedence in months, weeks, days, hours, days, now weeks again. You're trying to believe it.
All I know is that Balkan was a much better area when Albanians were isolated in their country (Emver Hodza).

Mike

pre 16 godina

Independence will not create "good neighborly relations", and Thaci is a fool if he honestly believes that drawing an articifical border will suddenly make things better. Only the creation of a democratic civic culture between the two societies, matured over at least two generations, will create a sense of cooperation and minimize hostilities. The way in which both sides think of the other, view themselves in relation to the other throughout history, and constantly seek to glorify their own deeds while demonizing the other shows that "good neighborly relations" will not be realized for a long, long time. If Thaci really wants to act good on his word, he better be ready to make a large set of concessions to the Serb camp after "independence" is declared. He better be ready to acknowledge the lack of political authority across the Ibar. He better be ready to recognize the existence of parallel Serbian institutions in Serb dominated regions for the forseeable future. Most importantly, he should be prepared to abandon certain Albanian historical narratives that places all other communities in second-rate positions in Kosovo and start advocating a historical memory in which Kosovo's history and heritage are shared by multiple ethnic groups. I have very little faith that Thaci and his government will do any of this without the prodding of their EU landlords, but a part of me, for the sake of an optimistic future, does hope that my predictions are proven wrong.

dimmy

pre 16 godina

You keep saying that Kosovo is going to get indepedence in months, weeks, days, hours, days, now weeks again. You're trying to believe it.
All I know is that Balkan was a much better area when Albanians were isolated in their country (Emver Hodza).

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Not only is he deluded but also blind and detached from reality it seems.

So he will recognise Serbia's independence will he? Now that is delusion.

And he thinks no obstacle can stand in the way of independence becoming official. Official where? Certainly not in any international institutions that matter. Now that is blindness.

As he hopes that after declaring independence, Kosovo will have normal relations and communication with Serbia. I think he is completely detached from reality.

Now I just hope, for the sake of stability, that he is capable of controlling his temper when things don't work out as expected. In his case, many strings attached.

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Serbia’s independence and of course it will ask the same – that Belgrade recognizes the independent and sovereign state of Kosovo

-Now, Serbia will probably bleed badly if Kosovo does not recognise Serbia's independence. Did anyone inform this man that he is going to run semi independent pseudo Republic while resolution 1244 is in force which clearly states that Kosovo and Metohija is the Southern Province of Serbia and its integral part.

dimmy

pre 16 godina

Mr Thaci was talking about indepedence in months, weeks, days, hours and now again days, weeks and so on.
Mr Solana said he should wait till next month cause there are elections in Spain and I've heard something about elections on May in Anghola, Kongo, whatever.

STEVE

pre 16 godina

Thaci - you want “good neighborly relations” with Serbia - You better hope that you get those 'good relations' in the jail you will occupy!

lids

pre 16 godina

"good neighborly relations"
should start in his own back yard with taking down barber wires,stop killing kids,stop destroying graves and stop making us laugh with promisses you can`t deliver.

Mike

pre 16 godina

Independence will not create "good neighborly relations", and Thaci is a fool if he honestly believes that drawing an articifical border will suddenly make things better. Only the creation of a democratic civic culture between the two societies, matured over at least two generations, will create a sense of cooperation and minimize hostilities. The way in which both sides think of the other, view themselves in relation to the other throughout history, and constantly seek to glorify their own deeds while demonizing the other shows that "good neighborly relations" will not be realized for a long, long time. If Thaci really wants to act good on his word, he better be ready to make a large set of concessions to the Serb camp after "independence" is declared. He better be ready to acknowledge the lack of political authority across the Ibar. He better be ready to recognize the existence of parallel Serbian institutions in Serb dominated regions for the forseeable future. Most importantly, he should be prepared to abandon certain Albanian historical narratives that places all other communities in second-rate positions in Kosovo and start advocating a historical memory in which Kosovo's history and heritage are shared by multiple ethnic groups. I have very little faith that Thaci and his government will do any of this without the prodding of their EU landlords, but a part of me, for the sake of an optimistic future, does hope that my predictions are proven wrong.

Maks

pre 16 godina

-Now, Serbia will probably bleed badly if Kosovo does not recognize Serbia's independence. Did anyone inform this man that he is going to run semi independent pseudo Republic while resolution 1244 is in force which clearly states that Kosovo and Metohija is the Southern Province of Serbia and its integral part.
(bmrusila, 31 January 2008 11:31)

I sorry that I had to interfere in your “goody” chat but I want to emphasize that UN resolution 1244 recognize Kosova as integral part of Yugoslavia without any final status within Yugoslavia but certainly not as part of Serbia. As you know Yugoslavia is dead. Yugoslavia exists only in your. Yugoslavia is dead because of you having identified Yugoslavia the same entity as Serbia. You were wrong then, and you are wrong now. Yugoslavia “lives” only in your Press Agency TANJUG.

PB

pre 16 godina

Maks - Get with the program. Serbia & Montenegro (as it was at the time), assumed the mantle of former Yugoslavia and was recognised as such by the UN. This is why Kosovo is legally a part of Serbia. If it wasn't, don't you think the US would have recognised Kosovo legally by now?? D'oH.

Ment - whatever Thaci declares is irrelevant, even if the US and western EU support him. We all know the real reason for their recognition - control of Trepca. Unfortunately, Kosovo will have no legal status and therefore no ability to exploit Trepca. If it was possible, the US and EU would already have recognised Kosovo legally. As they haven't, well, that speaks volumes.

lids

pre 16 godina

"good neighborly relations"
should start in his own back yard with taking down barber wires,stop killing kids,stop destroying graves and stop making us laugh with promisses you can`t deliver.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Ment

You are correct. This is going to take a long time. Thaci has just acknowledged it.

"Kosovo's Prime Minister Hashim Thaci has hinted at a possible delay before an independence declaration, dampening speculation that it may be imminent."

It's on the BBC so it must be true! ;)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7220119.stm

Max

pre 16 godina

If he wants good relations with Serbia, first thing he should do is quit his phony post, pack his toothbrush an buy a one way ticket to the Hague

Ment

pre 16 godina

Thaci did come off as a bit silly with the "Priština is prepared to recognize Serbia’s independence and of course it will ask the same" comment. Serbia has been a sovereign state for a while now. It's not trying to become independent from anyone. I suppose this was a Thaci "Bushism."

Also, this "independence in days/months/weeks" is getting old. All Albanians know that it will come, but if this guy does not have a firm date yet because of talks with the EU and the U.S., then he should simply say so. Albanians already realize that this will be a tricky, time consuming process.

To the Serbs, I'd suggest you hold your glee and jabs in check. A lot of these delays are mostly caused because of your elections, to make sure your electorate does not do something dumb and elect a Milosevic wannabe out of "inat."

If anything, it only highlights how little the West trusts the Serbs to be a mature/responsible electorate.

George Z. Basha

pre 16 godina

Thaci is acting and behaving as a mature and responsible politician. Of course he knows that the international community is monitoring not only his words but, his body language too. I truly beleive that he is going to be a phenomenal Prime Minister, the one that Kosovo needs to move forward. He is going to be very reasonable toward the demands of the serb minority because as an ex KLA leader he is imune of the acusation by albanian extremist for giving serbs too much. By the same token he is concious that the integration of Kosovo in the EU and NATO depends at a great extend on the way that the albanian majority treats the other ethnic groups.

Pijetro

pre 16 godina

I have to admit, it's interesting hearing a man of his shady background being schooled, narrated and propped up by Washington..

Belgrade politicians could learn a thing or three.

As far as Thachi's talks in Brussels, is HE the only one in the world who seems to be privy to such direct talks?

Is Brussels still the capital of a country that's on the brink of separation itself?

Mike:
I totally agree with everything you say.
But at this point, it's clearly out of the hands of men of good will....Albanian OR Serbian.

The US is helping in creating a wedge, by pushing it's own agenda, and never really cared about the best of all citizens living here..

Ment

pre 16 godina

PB

It may be Trepca, or it maybe that both the US and the EU have their own share of "inat" with Serbia.

After all, billions of dollars have been spent over the years in maintaining peacekeepers in both Bosnia and Kosovo, not to mention the additional flow of aid to these war ravaged areas.

Don't you think this may be a good enough reason alone to "punish" Serbia with the removal of Kosovo?

PB

pre 16 godina

Ment - When you spend a Billion dollars a year controlling a region (that's all the Balkans, not just Kosovo)that contains over a TRILLION dollars of mineral wealth, I'd say that's a great return on your investment.

Logic dictates that it can't be any other reason, otherwise the "righteous and moral" US would have invaded Rwanda and Sudan to prevent REAL genocides from taking place instead of the so called genocide in Kosovo.

Being realistic, this no doubt is the real reason for Russia's intransigence on Kosovo recognition. Both sides want control.

Ment

pre 16 godina

PB

Trepca might have something to do with this. However, I was born and raised in Albania and I'm very familiar with the Balkan countries' propensity to overinflate their strategic/historic importance and see conspiracies in just about anything that does not suit their interests. I guess constant warfare and intrigues have left us all seeing shadows everywhere.

Having said that, the EU and the US do not need to use the military to achieve their aims in the Balkans. Usually the promise of EU and NATO membership is more than enough to get the Balkan countries to do the things Brussels and Washington want them to do. Russia on the other hand, has nothing to offer, so it resorts to violence and bullying to achieve its aims.

I do not know why the West did not intervene in Rwanda and Sudan. It could have been the experience of Somalia and war fatigue in Iraq and Afghanistan, or maybe just a general disillusionment and apathy caused by the constant failure of African countries to get their act together.

Kosovo may have not been a genocide, but then again no one can say what would have happened had NATO not intervened. But it surely looked as if Kosovo would have become Bosnia all over again... and Bosnia was a case of genocide. Unfortunately, only you folks are still in denial of that fact.

tesla

pre 16 godina

"You had one leader who was clever and new how to sort out serbia,s problems MR ZORAN DJINDJIC and you serbs decided to KILL HIM.(gaz, 1 February 2008 22:32)"

This probably qualifies as one of the most ignorant posts to start off 2008. Surprised Big brother B92 did not catch this one.

Was Djindic murdered by elements within the mafia or was he murdered by the collective Serbian people who mourned him en masse and gave him one of the largest state funerals in modern history?

When will the lies against Serbs stop? Do some Albanians really think this way? Sad.

PS

pre 16 godina

I think we need to find a more creative solution to the Kosovo problem. The problem seems to be with the aspirations of its 2 million population and high Albanian birth rate. Since the 2 million Kosovo Albanians want jobs, money etc they should be given access to the EU so that they can come and work in the UK and other EU countries. This will have the immediate effect of reducing the population and therefore need for independence. These people like all of us just want a better life.

gaz

pre 16 godina

Why do you serbs still cannot accept the fact that your country has been run since the early nineties by failed politicians who lied to you by propaganda an led you to believe that serbian territory was in danger from , croatia, bosnia, kosovo etc.
You had one leader who was clever and new how to sort out serbia,s problems MR ZORAN DJINDJIC and you serbs decided to KILL HIM.
i am an albanian and on sporting events i support serbian sportpersons like novak djokovic for example as he is from my neighbouring country.
i remember 20 years ago in yougoslavia many famous rock bands played in belgrade and you could say that yougoslavia was in the heart of europe. and now i can honestly say that i feel sorry for the serbian youth for the price they are having to pay for the big mistakes that serbian people made by supporting, Milosevic,Seselj,Arkan,Karadzic,Mladic and many others who contributed in ruining serbia.

And i dont think that Hashim Thaci is daydreaming, he is only fullfilling the wishes of 2 million albanians that and doing his job as a priminister

erni

pre 16 godina

you know what! HE IS MAKING THE POINT LIKE E DIPLOMAT lie I say'd before if kosovo believ's serbia it will be still a threat to albanians the only think for albanians is to start there electric fence in the border with serbia, similar israeli style as they did for they safety..

Maks

pre 16 godina

-Now, Serbia will probably bleed badly if Kosovo does not recognize Serbia's independence. Did anyone inform this man that he is going to run semi independent pseudo Republic while resolution 1244 is in force which clearly states that Kosovo and Metohija is the Southern Province of Serbia and its integral part.
(bmrusila, 31 January 2008 11:31)

I sorry that I had to interfere in your “goody” chat but I want to emphasize that UN resolution 1244 recognize Kosova as integral part of Yugoslavia without any final status within Yugoslavia but certainly not as part of Serbia. As you know Yugoslavia is dead. Yugoslavia exists only in your. Yugoslavia is dead because of you having identified Yugoslavia the same entity as Serbia. You were wrong then, and you are wrong now. Yugoslavia “lives” only in your Press Agency TANJUG.

George Z. Basha

pre 16 godina

Thaci is acting and behaving as a mature and responsible politician. Of course he knows that the international community is monitoring not only his words but, his body language too. I truly beleive that he is going to be a phenomenal Prime Minister, the one that Kosovo needs to move forward. He is going to be very reasonable toward the demands of the serb minority because as an ex KLA leader he is imune of the acusation by albanian extremist for giving serbs too much. By the same token he is concious that the integration of Kosovo in the EU and NATO depends at a great extend on the way that the albanian majority treats the other ethnic groups.

Ment

pre 16 godina

PB

It may be Trepca, or it maybe that both the US and the EU have their own share of "inat" with Serbia.

After all, billions of dollars have been spent over the years in maintaining peacekeepers in both Bosnia and Kosovo, not to mention the additional flow of aid to these war ravaged areas.

Don't you think this may be a good enough reason alone to "punish" Serbia with the removal of Kosovo?

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Not only is he deluded but also blind and detached from reality it seems.

So he will recognise Serbia's independence will he? Now that is delusion.

And he thinks no obstacle can stand in the way of independence becoming official. Official where? Certainly not in any international institutions that matter. Now that is blindness.

As he hopes that after declaring independence, Kosovo will have normal relations and communication with Serbia. I think he is completely detached from reality.

Now I just hope, for the sake of stability, that he is capable of controlling his temper when things don't work out as expected. In his case, many strings attached.

STEVE

pre 16 godina

Thaci - you want “good neighborly relations” with Serbia - You better hope that you get those 'good relations' in the jail you will occupy!

bmrusila

pre 16 godina

Serbia’s independence and of course it will ask the same – that Belgrade recognizes the independent and sovereign state of Kosovo

-Now, Serbia will probably bleed badly if Kosovo does not recognise Serbia's independence. Did anyone inform this man that he is going to run semi independent pseudo Republic while resolution 1244 is in force which clearly states that Kosovo and Metohija is the Southern Province of Serbia and its integral part.

dimmy

pre 16 godina

You keep saying that Kosovo is going to get indepedence in months, weeks, days, hours, days, now weeks again. You're trying to believe it.
All I know is that Balkan was a much better area when Albanians were isolated in their country (Emver Hodza).

dimmy

pre 16 godina

Mr Thaci was talking about indepedence in months, weeks, days, hours and now again days, weeks and so on.
Mr Solana said he should wait till next month cause there are elections in Spain and I've heard something about elections on May in Anghola, Kongo, whatever.

Mike

pre 16 godina

Independence will not create "good neighborly relations", and Thaci is a fool if he honestly believes that drawing an articifical border will suddenly make things better. Only the creation of a democratic civic culture between the two societies, matured over at least two generations, will create a sense of cooperation and minimize hostilities. The way in which both sides think of the other, view themselves in relation to the other throughout history, and constantly seek to glorify their own deeds while demonizing the other shows that "good neighborly relations" will not be realized for a long, long time. If Thaci really wants to act good on his word, he better be ready to make a large set of concessions to the Serb camp after "independence" is declared. He better be ready to acknowledge the lack of political authority across the Ibar. He better be ready to recognize the existence of parallel Serbian institutions in Serb dominated regions for the forseeable future. Most importantly, he should be prepared to abandon certain Albanian historical narratives that places all other communities in second-rate positions in Kosovo and start advocating a historical memory in which Kosovo's history and heritage are shared by multiple ethnic groups. I have very little faith that Thaci and his government will do any of this without the prodding of their EU landlords, but a part of me, for the sake of an optimistic future, does hope that my predictions are proven wrong.

Ment

pre 16 godina

Thaci did come off as a bit silly with the "Priština is prepared to recognize Serbia’s independence and of course it will ask the same" comment. Serbia has been a sovereign state for a while now. It's not trying to become independent from anyone. I suppose this was a Thaci "Bushism."

Also, this "independence in days/months/weeks" is getting old. All Albanians know that it will come, but if this guy does not have a firm date yet because of talks with the EU and the U.S., then he should simply say so. Albanians already realize that this will be a tricky, time consuming process.

To the Serbs, I'd suggest you hold your glee and jabs in check. A lot of these delays are mostly caused because of your elections, to make sure your electorate does not do something dumb and elect a Milosevic wannabe out of "inat."

If anything, it only highlights how little the West trusts the Serbs to be a mature/responsible electorate.

Ment

pre 16 godina

PB

Trepca might have something to do with this. However, I was born and raised in Albania and I'm very familiar with the Balkan countries' propensity to overinflate their strategic/historic importance and see conspiracies in just about anything that does not suit their interests. I guess constant warfare and intrigues have left us all seeing shadows everywhere.

Having said that, the EU and the US do not need to use the military to achieve their aims in the Balkans. Usually the promise of EU and NATO membership is more than enough to get the Balkan countries to do the things Brussels and Washington want them to do. Russia on the other hand, has nothing to offer, so it resorts to violence and bullying to achieve its aims.

I do not know why the West did not intervene in Rwanda and Sudan. It could have been the experience of Somalia and war fatigue in Iraq and Afghanistan, or maybe just a general disillusionment and apathy caused by the constant failure of African countries to get their act together.

Kosovo may have not been a genocide, but then again no one can say what would have happened had NATO not intervened. But it surely looked as if Kosovo would have become Bosnia all over again... and Bosnia was a case of genocide. Unfortunately, only you folks are still in denial of that fact.

gaz

pre 16 godina

Why do you serbs still cannot accept the fact that your country has been run since the early nineties by failed politicians who lied to you by propaganda an led you to believe that serbian territory was in danger from , croatia, bosnia, kosovo etc.
You had one leader who was clever and new how to sort out serbia,s problems MR ZORAN DJINDJIC and you serbs decided to KILL HIM.
i am an albanian and on sporting events i support serbian sportpersons like novak djokovic for example as he is from my neighbouring country.
i remember 20 years ago in yougoslavia many famous rock bands played in belgrade and you could say that yougoslavia was in the heart of europe. and now i can honestly say that i feel sorry for the serbian youth for the price they are having to pay for the big mistakes that serbian people made by supporting, Milosevic,Seselj,Arkan,Karadzic,Mladic and many others who contributed in ruining serbia.

And i dont think that Hashim Thaci is daydreaming, he is only fullfilling the wishes of 2 million albanians that and doing his job as a priminister

lids

pre 16 godina

"good neighborly relations"
should start in his own back yard with taking down barber wires,stop killing kids,stop destroying graves and stop making us laugh with promisses you can`t deliver.

lids

pre 16 godina

"good neighborly relations"
should start in his own back yard with taking down barber wires,stop killing kids,stop destroying graves and stop making us laugh with promisses you can`t deliver.

PB

pre 16 godina

Maks - Get with the program. Serbia & Montenegro (as it was at the time), assumed the mantle of former Yugoslavia and was recognised as such by the UN. This is why Kosovo is legally a part of Serbia. If it wasn't, don't you think the US would have recognised Kosovo legally by now?? D'oH.

Ment - whatever Thaci declares is irrelevant, even if the US and western EU support him. We all know the real reason for their recognition - control of Trepca. Unfortunately, Kosovo will have no legal status and therefore no ability to exploit Trepca. If it was possible, the US and EU would already have recognised Kosovo legally. As they haven't, well, that speaks volumes.

ZK UK

pre 16 godina

Ment

You are correct. This is going to take a long time. Thaci has just acknowledged it.

"Kosovo's Prime Minister Hashim Thaci has hinted at a possible delay before an independence declaration, dampening speculation that it may be imminent."

It's on the BBC so it must be true! ;)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7220119.stm

Max

pre 16 godina

If he wants good relations with Serbia, first thing he should do is quit his phony post, pack his toothbrush an buy a one way ticket to the Hague

Pijetro

pre 16 godina

I have to admit, it's interesting hearing a man of his shady background being schooled, narrated and propped up by Washington..

Belgrade politicians could learn a thing or three.

As far as Thachi's talks in Brussels, is HE the only one in the world who seems to be privy to such direct talks?

Is Brussels still the capital of a country that's on the brink of separation itself?

Mike:
I totally agree with everything you say.
But at this point, it's clearly out of the hands of men of good will....Albanian OR Serbian.

The US is helping in creating a wedge, by pushing it's own agenda, and never really cared about the best of all citizens living here..

PB

pre 16 godina

Ment - When you spend a Billion dollars a year controlling a region (that's all the Balkans, not just Kosovo)that contains over a TRILLION dollars of mineral wealth, I'd say that's a great return on your investment.

Logic dictates that it can't be any other reason, otherwise the "righteous and moral" US would have invaded Rwanda and Sudan to prevent REAL genocides from taking place instead of the so called genocide in Kosovo.

Being realistic, this no doubt is the real reason for Russia's intransigence on Kosovo recognition. Both sides want control.

PS

pre 16 godina

I think we need to find a more creative solution to the Kosovo problem. The problem seems to be with the aspirations of its 2 million population and high Albanian birth rate. Since the 2 million Kosovo Albanians want jobs, money etc they should be given access to the EU so that they can come and work in the UK and other EU countries. This will have the immediate effect of reducing the population and therefore need for independence. These people like all of us just want a better life.

tesla

pre 16 godina

"You had one leader who was clever and new how to sort out serbia,s problems MR ZORAN DJINDJIC and you serbs decided to KILL HIM.(gaz, 1 February 2008 22:32)"

This probably qualifies as one of the most ignorant posts to start off 2008. Surprised Big brother B92 did not catch this one.

Was Djindic murdered by elements within the mafia or was he murdered by the collective Serbian people who mourned him en masse and gave him one of the largest state funerals in modern history?

When will the lies against Serbs stop? Do some Albanians really think this way? Sad.

erni

pre 16 godina

you know what! HE IS MAKING THE POINT LIKE E DIPLOMAT lie I say'd before if kosovo believ's serbia it will be still a threat to albanians the only think for albanians is to start there electric fence in the border with serbia, similar israeli style as they did for they safety..