Many will follow Russia on Kosovo, says Koštunica

I fully agree with Mr Kostunica. Furthermore, it is clear that Kosovo independence will be not that easy task to implement. I believe that EU will finally distance itself from that kind of policy that is nothing more but flagrant breach of law. The only real support for independence is coming from the USA, UK and France. The UK always follows Washington's decisions and that would be on of the reasons why there is support for the law violation while France finally got a chance to demonstarte some powerforce in the Europe or to make it up to the USA for not giving the support for the war on Iraq.

Doni, please come into the 21st century with the rest of the world.
Why are you still sticking to this "a thousand years ago etc "?
A thousand years ago Indians owned America. So what?

Also you statement about Serbia finally being public about it's alliance with Russia is so unimportant.

Albanians have been boasting of their great friendship with America for a long time now. What, Serbia isn't allowed to have friends?
What's your problem with Seriban/Russian alliance?
Are you so scared that you have to belittle it for your own comfort?

My opinion Doni is that you have much to learn about history. Please showcase some facts with your opinions.

According to the prime minister, "Serbia will know how to appreciate and remember Russia's support and its principled commitment to respect for international law in the process of determining the future status of Kosovo." -B92

Is he talking about NIS??
Finally serbia openly allied with russia, what a great day is today.

Azir, I say the same thing to you. Get into the 21st century or risk being stuck in the bronze age.

Do you also advise the Indians to ethnically cleanse all the Americans because when they arrived there was life in America?

Your old worn out we are the indigenous people of the Balkans is really annoying now. Do we redraw borders just for you or the entire world? Yes Albanians were there and still are. IN ALBANIA. Nobody said you don't have the right to exist. You have your country and nobody is trying to occupy that.

Actually your argument about occupation is more relevant to the Americans and Australians than Serbs. This Illyrian race you want to claim stretches accross Dalmatia and Montenegro. Everyone's an Illyrian.
Get together and make one big happy Illyrian country.

Furthermore how is killing Chechens based on xenophobia and anti-Islam qualify as protecting "international law."
(KS, 31 December 2007 04:52)

Easy my dear KS, just as the same killing is "justified" in Iraq and Afghanistan! The only difference is that one of these two wars have completely destroyed your friends economy, but the now ended war in Chechnya hasn't had any major negative effect on our friends economy!

dear azir,

Wasn't it so that Adam and Eve in fact were Albanians...?

Doni, Azir and others.
Nobody denied that Albanians are natives of Balkan penninsula.
Serbs did not come to Balkans as invaders to conquer another country, but they came chased and driven by Attilla the Hun and his hordes. So, if you want to blame someone - blame Hungarians. Besides, Serbs entered the area that was scarsly populated by nomadic tribes of Illirians. It wasn't like they entered well populated area.
Besides, "who gave them the right to proclaim a serbian state inside another country?"
I guess this another country was Roman Empire, as there was no Albanian state at the time.
Come on people Serbs settled in 6th and 7th century.
What would you say then for all of North and South America, Australia, New Zealand, etc. ?
Perhaps you should go to your American friends in UNMIK, and tell them that they are invaders in USA?
When last summer G.W. Bush was in Albania, Ceku failed to visit him and tell him that he is invader in USA. Why?
Come on people, you have to find better arguments then this.

Mirsad. Actually that's all the support you have. US, UK and France. The lot.
So these three countries rule the world??? Let's wait and see what comes around.

Don't discredit Serbia's support so quickly. Russia and China alone can do the job. Other countries (insignificant according to you) can veto your entry into the EU and have indicated they will. It is more than Romania.

Why do you constantly leave out all the other countries who have not given you support? They are not insignificant and you know it.

Maybe it makes it easier for you to sleep at night hoping against hope.
BTW Doni is wrong.
Serbia did not invade Albania. As you can see Albania is intact.

Kosovo never belonged to Albania and you know it. Borders have been changing for centuries and people settling areas was the norm.
You make it sound like Serbs invaded Albania. You have the Serbs confused with the Turks. Occupation was their thing.
This argument is more suited to you accusing the Americans and Australians of occupation than the Serbs.
I and someone else have already told you that so go ahead and accuse your friends the Americans of occupation and see where that gets you.

don´t worry Peggy, some boys are simply not well enough informed...

they think that they were there before the Serbs, what is simply an invention by the albanian romanticizm, and by the way, already declared as scientifically disproved.

and what is best, they do not even know about the history of the balkans, what can be seen in the remarks about the Serbs being "invadors"!
( and in the fact, that the do not know the correct writing of invader )

to your information,

Serbs were settling there between the fifth and seventh century because they listened to a call of the romans who wanted the region to be cultivated.

claiming they were invaders is not only historically wrong, it is simply perfidious propaganda.

the bottom-line is:

before you write english words, make sure you learn how they are written!

before you write about history, educate yourself!

"Finally serbia openly allied with russia, what a great day is today.
(Doni, 30 December 2007 18:52)"
Yeah, it is, isn't it.

Doni

What difference does it make whether Serbs arrived in the Balkans two hundred years ago, one tousand two hundred years ago or twelve thousand years ago? Serbs have also been living in those lands for ages and now to deny them rights to the land because Albanians were there first is completely not in key with European values! Should European states now deny land ownership to Roma, Maroccan, Chinese, Africans, Anatolian Turks and others who are now living in Europe? To claim Kosovo as Albanian because Illyrians were there first is a nonsensical argument and cannot be the basis for Kosovo's independence, to claim Kosovo as Albanian because Albanians are the majority and were treated improperly by the Serbs is another matter. Us Poles were also driven off our lands now in Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine, do you hear us moaning about it?

KS

Chechen terrorists were bombing civilian targets in Moscow and terrorizing primary schools with children, Russia had every right to protect its civilians. Of course I don't agree with how they handled the matter by killing innocent Chechen civilians in aerial bombings and such, but then the US is not different with their bombings of Iraq, Afghanistan and Serbia.

Johnny - Portugal

Russia is a European state, as much as Portugal is.

azir

If you look at any map during the 8th Century, you will see Albania does not exist, only Serbia. Slavs conquered the lands and the Serbian culture could have very well started there.

I have one question for serb camp: when serbs settled in the balkans for the first time, did they came as imigrants, or as invadors, and who gave them the right to proclaim a serbian state inside another country?

my opinion is that they came as invadors,

Besa bese, you state that Serbia propers has never had any bombs dropped on them.

In WW2 Belgrade was completely bombed while Zagreb was intact. Are you sure you are not confusing the two? Then we have the illegal NATO bombing.

Are you sure you are that uninformed or are you trying to provoke a sarcastic comment and then whinge about how the Serbs don't play fair again?

Doni you bring up a very important point, the Serb camp will not admit their dicovering of an indigenous Illyria/Albania presence because they would have everyone think that when they arrived in the Balkins it must of been completely vacant. We have always been in the homeland (ethnic Albanian territories)since the begining of time.Empires have emerged, conquered us and collapsed.And quess what,we're still here.We never moved and never intend on moving.

Serbs were invited by the eastern roman empire to get rid of the avars who were invaders of rome, in return they were promised land, i think they earned it, i said it before and i'll say it again your peoples should learn to get along or else they're gonna be used like pawns by the powers running the show on this lil' planet of ours

“Us Poles were also driven off our lands now in Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine, do you hear us moaning about it?”
Peter

I do not think that we can compare this two situations. Kosovo was a cradle of Serbian state, religion and culture. Hundreds years ago Lithuania was a separate country which join Poland creating Union, Pogon and Korona. Lithuania’s Prince become the King of the Union.

Other story is about Ukraine. It was invaded by Poland. And if you still want to continue comparison then Poland suppose to be absorbed by Ukraine. Ukraine right now has much higher population then Poland (within their borders) so if both countries are as a one, Poles will represent a minority.

It is not case for Serbia and Kosovo.

But be very careful ! Some external provocation can start some stupidity on the both sides. Ukrainians can request a part of Poland, for example Bieszczady, Przemysl, Sandomierz and Poles Lwow, Luck and other places. I pray that it not happen.

Has anyone has seen the famous French film Le Professionnel? It tells the story of a French secret agent send to Africa on an assignment only to be betrayed by its own government. Many in this forum are about to feel the same sensation fairly soon and declaration like this wont do anything to narrow their disappointment. In line other statements this one gives the false impression that these leaders are masters of their own destiny but nothing could be further from the truth. I personally think that they should be as vague as possible when it comes to answering direct question on the subject.

Peggy, Doni has done nothing wrong, he's on the ball actually. Hes merely contesting the serbian fundamental arguments that kosovo is cradle of serbian people or whatever heard it too much...

And as far as Kostunicas statement goes, its only words, only a handful of countries oppose Kosovo independence, which, apart from russia, no one cares about the rest like romania etc. Its all about the Britains, French and Americans!!

Kosovo is Serbian holly land and it will never be part of Greater Albanian dream. Osama bin Laden and Saudi Arabia along with other Suni muslims are pushing hard with their oil power to influence Western world to recognize independent Serbian land Kosovo. But, but Russia and China they do not have oil problems and will not allow that dream come through. USA made mistake once with Afghanistan in war against Soviets supporting Suni muslims and that mistake is possible again. If you have chance see new film "Charlie Wilsons War" you will get full picture.

I am afraid, ben, I must "tale" you that I am not here to teach you english or balkan history.

you could do that yourself, IF you would not believe that you were the first in the Balkans, what is simply wishful-thinking. there are no traces of Albanians in Kosovo, but lots of them from Serbs.
US-american archeologist have proven that, your "friends", as you would call them, your masters as I would call them.

you have nothing to do with the illyrians. that´s something you won´t be able to falsify...

my best wishes for you inside Serbia in 2008!

Serbia is an old European state and was a state a long time before many EU member countries today...
well,you see how easy it is to recognize new states:you've done it before for each of the not as old state as serbia,you can do it once again and recognize another new independant state Kosova

Many will follow?
yeah, you can count them on one hand.

peggy says:
"Doni, please come into the 21st century with the rest of the world.
Why are you still sticking to this "a thousand years ago etc "?
A thousand years ago Indians owned America. So what?"

So, now i come in the 21 century and say.: If thousands of years ago "Indians" owned America, today it is not the case.
So, if hundred years ago Serbs owned Kosova, today that is not the case.
My point was that "some other people" owned Kosova before serbs did, then serbs owned it for some hundred years, and now is time that "some other people" own it.

If you feel European, then serbia will allied will EU and West naturally, even if you think got unfairly treated.

Yes of course, Russia is such a powerful and influential country that all countries will follow.

[/SARCASM]

Furthermore how is killing Chechens based on xenophobia and anti-Islam qualify as protecting "international law."

When Kostunica talks about having the same European values, does he refer to the same European values he cherished in supporting sepearatist Serbs in Bosnia and Croatia that unilateraly declared independance in these countries?

"Serbia is an old European state and was a state a long time before many EU member countries today"

Yes, and could Kostunica please give us a rundown on which states all these newer-than-Serbia states were "inalienable" parts of before, guaranteed by "law" etc, under heir "sovereignty" etc etc. And whle we're at it, all the relatively newly independent countries in Africa, Asia, Latin America etc, and we can see that we may be getting somewhere, perhaps Kostunica is beginning to understand that the "unprecedented" idea of giving a country independence form another one ruling over it is in fact the most common event of the last two centuries, at least.

Mr. Koštunica, either you have European values or you have Russia. You can't have both.

I was reading these coments and I saw many people write coments without having any knowledge about Kosovo or Serbia.Kosovo is populated by more than 90%albanians and they live in Kosovo before (slav people)serbians came and invided.Kosovo was part of Albania but mistakes are made in London supported in that time by France so that's why they are supporting Kosovo in order to correct mistakes. Kosovo has to be independent.It the only solution for peace in Balkan.Serbia doesn't care about people of Kosovo dear friends. We saw that in 1998-1999 when serbian autorities voted by serbian people,destroyed their houses, killed inocent people and expatrieated them. Serbia only care about Kosovo's natural resources.

It's funny how Serbs have no feeling of guilt for what happened. OK, we can imagine a certain manipulation from the Western Powers which for sure happened but for god's sake bear in mind that the most hostile nation in Yugo times was Serbian one and certainly not Albanians or Bosnians. As a matter of fact, Serbia proper never suffered any single bomb on her own land during Yugo wars. First of all make a kind of mea culpa then only we will be able to initiate perpetual peace.

Why is Serb diploamcy so bad?All this talk about territorial integrity works in Russia and third world countries. But it doesn't work in the US and the main Western countries. Here it sounds as if Serbia is ignoring the humanitarian aspect.

Also, Kostunica is not the face Western people identify with. He looks too much apparachnik and too little trendy. Serbia needs a likeable diplomat who can bring the Serb message to the Western world. He might be minister of Kosovo. And he should be able to tell the consequences of the Ahtisaari plan for Kosovo's Serbs in such a way that it is credible for Western people.

The Kosovo's Albanians don't have this problem. Not that their diplomats and leaders are much better, but the US is doing the PR for them.

Jovan please educate .. of course do not miss lecturing us the English language. maybe you will tale us why there are more Albanian posters here in English then serbs? Must be the lack of education and knowledge of the English language... please Jovan illuminate us, we don’t know even our history, be so kind and tale us something about our history, of course we all agree that you don’t have conflicts of interest in this... I’m sure you will go down to Neanderthals to ‘prove’ that we are not autochthon in the Balkans, but I would be satisfied to go back till the VII century.

Peggy; don't you agree that when anyone is dicussing the original inhabitants of Kosova, naturaly history is utilized and with that one goes back in time. How do you seriously discuss Kosova by limiting yourself only to this century when the point was to determine who was there first? Did you forget Kosova has eternal roots? As for your comment about the American-Indians; they're a recognized nation within a nation as far as the Department of Interior is concerned. They are exempt from federal taxes and jurisdiction.As for the word we use for them "Indians" in their language that's not what they use, similiar to "Albanian" when in our language we use SHQIPETAR.

Peter you think just because on your map the word "Albania" doesn't appear that means to you that Shqiperia did not exist or the Shqiptares (Albanians) were no where to be found. You understand that Western word "Albania" is for international useage but go ask the locals and they will tell you in our language we speak shqipe because we are shqiptar.The is what happens when the slavs try to tell us our own history. And OLLI; no one claimed Adem and Eve were Albanians (shqiptare) but I am sure they weren't Serbs.

Serbia is an old European state and was a state a long time before many EU member countries today...
well,you see how easy it is to recognize new states:you've done it before for each of the not as old state as serbia,you can do it once again and recognize another new independant state Kosova

I have one question for serb camp: when serbs settled in the balkans for the first time, did they came as imigrants, or as invadors, and who gave them the right to proclaim a serbian state inside another country?

my opinion is that they came as invadors,

According to the prime minister, "Serbia will know how to appreciate and remember Russia's support and its principled commitment to respect for international law in the process of determining the future status of Kosovo." -B92

Is he talking about NIS??
Finally serbia openly allied with russia, what a great day is today.

Many will follow?
yeah, you can count them on one hand.

Doni you bring up a very important point, the Serb camp will not admit their dicovering of an indigenous Illyria/Albania presence because they would have everyone think that when they arrived in the Balkins it must of been completely vacant. We have always been in the homeland (ethnic Albanian territories)since the begining of time.Empires have emerged, conquered us and collapsed.And quess what,we're still here.We never moved and never intend on moving.

Yes of course, Russia is such a powerful and influential country that all countries will follow.

[/SARCASM]

Furthermore how is killing Chechens based on xenophobia and anti-Islam qualify as protecting "international law."

Peggy, Doni has done nothing wrong, he's on the ball actually. Hes merely contesting the serbian fundamental arguments that kosovo is cradle of serbian people or whatever heard it too much...

And as far as Kostunicas statement goes, its only words, only a handful of countries oppose Kosovo independence, which, apart from russia, no one cares about the rest like romania etc. Its all about the Britains, French and Americans!!

Mr. Koštunica, either you have European values or you have Russia. You can't have both.

I was reading these coments and I saw many people write coments without having any knowledge about Kosovo or Serbia.Kosovo is populated by more than 90%albanians and they live in Kosovo before (slav people)serbians came and invided.Kosovo was part of Albania but mistakes are made in London supported in that time by France so that's why they are supporting Kosovo in order to correct mistakes. Kosovo has to be independent.It the only solution for peace in Balkan.Serbia doesn't care about people of Kosovo dear friends. We saw that in 1998-1999 when serbian autorities voted by serbian people,destroyed their houses, killed inocent people and expatrieated them. Serbia only care about Kosovo's natural resources.

It's funny how Serbs have no feeling of guilt for what happened. OK, we can imagine a certain manipulation from the Western Powers which for sure happened but for god's sake bear in mind that the most hostile nation in Yugo times was Serbian one and certainly not Albanians or Bosnians. As a matter of fact, Serbia proper never suffered any single bomb on her own land during Yugo wars. First of all make a kind of mea culpa then only we will be able to initiate perpetual peace.

Has anyone has seen the famous French film Le Professionnel? It tells the story of a French secret agent send to Africa on an assignment only to be betrayed by its own government. Many in this forum are about to feel the same sensation fairly soon and declaration like this wont do anything to narrow their disappointment. In line other statements this one gives the false impression that these leaders are masters of their own destiny but nothing could be further from the truth. I personally think that they should be as vague as possible when it comes to answering direct question on the subject.

"Serbia is an old European state and was a state a long time before many EU member countries today"

Yes, and could Kostunica please give us a rundown on which states all these newer-than-Serbia states were "inalienable" parts of before, guaranteed by "law" etc, under heir "sovereignty" etc etc. And whle we're at it, all the relatively newly independent countries in Africa, Asia, Latin America etc, and we can see that we may be getting somewhere, perhaps Kostunica is beginning to understand that the "unprecedented" idea of giving a country independence form another one ruling over it is in fact the most common event of the last two centuries, at least.

Jovan please educate .. of course do not miss lecturing us the English language. maybe you will tale us why there are more Albanian posters here in English then serbs? Must be the lack of education and knowledge of the English language... please Jovan illuminate us, we don’t know even our history, be so kind and tale us something about our history, of course we all agree that you don’t have conflicts of interest in this... I’m sure you will go down to Neanderthals to ‘prove’ that we are not autochthon in the Balkans, but I would be satisfied to go back till the VII century.

peggy says:
"Doni, please come into the 21st century with the rest of the world.
Why are you still sticking to this "a thousand years ago etc "?
A thousand years ago Indians owned America. So what?"

So, now i come in the 21 century and say.: If thousands of years ago "Indians" owned America, today it is not the case.
So, if hundred years ago Serbs owned Kosova, today that is not the case.
My point was that "some other people" owned Kosova before serbs did, then serbs owned it for some hundred years, and now is time that "some other people" own it.

If you feel European, then serbia will allied will EU and West naturally, even if you think got unfairly treated.

When Kostunica talks about having the same European values, does he refer to the same European values he cherished in supporting sepearatist Serbs in Bosnia and Croatia that unilateraly declared independance in these countries?

I fully agree with Mr Kostunica. Furthermore, it is clear that Kosovo independence will be not that easy task to implement. I believe that EU will finally distance itself from that kind of policy that is nothing more but flagrant breach of law. The only real support for independence is coming from the USA, UK and France. The UK always follows Washington's decisions and that would be on of the reasons why there is support for the law violation while France finally got a chance to demonstarte some powerforce in the Europe or to make it up to the USA for not giving the support for the war on Iraq.

dear azir,

Wasn't it so that Adam and Eve in fact were Albanians...?

Why is Serb diploamcy so bad?All this talk about territorial integrity works in Russia and third world countries. But it doesn't work in the US and the main Western countries. Here it sounds as if Serbia is ignoring the humanitarian aspect.

Also, Kostunica is not the face Western people identify with. He looks too much apparachnik and too little trendy. Serbia needs a likeable diplomat who can bring the Serb message to the Western world. He might be minister of Kosovo. And he should be able to tell the consequences of the Ahtisaari plan for Kosovo's Serbs in such a way that it is credible for Western people.

The Kosovo's Albanians don't have this problem. Not that their diplomats and leaders are much better, but the US is doing the PR for them.

Peggy; don't you agree that when anyone is dicussing the original inhabitants of Kosova, naturaly history is utilized and with that one goes back in time. How do you seriously discuss Kosova by limiting yourself only to this century when the point was to determine who was there first? Did you forget Kosova has eternal roots? As for your comment about the American-Indians; they're a recognized nation within a nation as far as the Department of Interior is concerned. They are exempt from federal taxes and jurisdiction.As for the word we use for them "Indians" in their language that's not what they use, similiar to "Albanian" when in our language we use SHQIPETAR.

Peter you think just because on your map the word "Albania" doesn't appear that means to you that Shqiperia did not exist or the Shqiptares (Albanians) were no where to be found. You understand that Western word "Albania" is for international useage but go ask the locals and they will tell you in our language we speak shqipe because we are shqiptar.The is what happens when the slavs try to tell us our own history. And OLLI; no one claimed Adem and Eve were Albanians (shqiptare) but I am sure they weren't Serbs.

Azir, I say the same thing to you. Get into the 21st century or risk being stuck in the bronze age.

Do you also advise the Indians to ethnically cleanse all the Americans because when they arrived there was life in America?

Your old worn out we are the indigenous people of the Balkans is really annoying now. Do we redraw borders just for you or the entire world? Yes Albanians were there and still are. IN ALBANIA. Nobody said you don't have the right to exist. You have your country and nobody is trying to occupy that.

Actually your argument about occupation is more relevant to the Americans and Australians than Serbs. This Illyrian race you want to claim stretches accross Dalmatia and Montenegro. Everyone's an Illyrian.
Get together and make one big happy Illyrian country.

Doni, please come into the 21st century with the rest of the world.
Why are you still sticking to this "a thousand years ago etc "?
A thousand years ago Indians owned America. So what?

Also you statement about Serbia finally being public about it's alliance with Russia is so unimportant.

Albanians have been boasting of their great friendship with America for a long time now. What, Serbia isn't allowed to have friends?
What's your problem with Seriban/Russian alliance?
Are you so scared that you have to belittle it for your own comfort?

My opinion Doni is that you have much to learn about history. Please showcase some facts with your opinions.

Doni, Azir and others.
Nobody denied that Albanians are natives of Balkan penninsula.
Serbs did not come to Balkans as invaders to conquer another country, but they came chased and driven by Attilla the Hun and his hordes. So, if you want to blame someone - blame Hungarians. Besides, Serbs entered the area that was scarsly populated by nomadic tribes of Illirians. It wasn't like they entered well populated area.
Besides, "who gave them the right to proclaim a serbian state inside another country?"
I guess this another country was Roman Empire, as there was no Albanian state at the time.
Come on people Serbs settled in 6th and 7th century.
What would you say then for all of North and South America, Australia, New Zealand, etc. ?
Perhaps you should go to your American friends in UNMIK, and tell them that they are invaders in USA?
When last summer G.W. Bush was in Albania, Ceku failed to visit him and tell him that he is invader in USA. Why?
Come on people, you have to find better arguments then this.

"Finally serbia openly allied with russia, what a great day is today.
(Doni, 30 December 2007 18:52)"
Yeah, it is, isn't it.

Serbs were invited by the eastern roman empire to get rid of the avars who were invaders of rome, in return they were promised land, i think they earned it, i said it before and i'll say it again your peoples should learn to get along or else they're gonna be used like pawns by the powers running the show on this lil' planet of ours

Mirsad. Actually that's all the support you have. US, UK and France. The lot.
So these three countries rule the world??? Let's wait and see what comes around.

Don't discredit Serbia's support so quickly. Russia and China alone can do the job. Other countries (insignificant according to you) can veto your entry into the EU and have indicated they will. It is more than Romania.

Why do you constantly leave out all the other countries who have not given you support? They are not insignificant and you know it.

Maybe it makes it easier for you to sleep at night hoping against hope.
BTW Doni is wrong.
Serbia did not invade Albania. As you can see Albania is intact.

Kosovo never belonged to Albania and you know it. Borders have been changing for centuries and people settling areas was the norm.
You make it sound like Serbs invaded Albania. You have the Serbs confused with the Turks. Occupation was their thing.
This argument is more suited to you accusing the Americans and Australians of occupation than the Serbs.
I and someone else have already told you that so go ahead and accuse your friends the Americans of occupation and see where that gets you.

Furthermore how is killing Chechens based on xenophobia and anti-Islam qualify as protecting "international law."
(KS, 31 December 2007 04:52)

Easy my dear KS, just as the same killing is "justified" in Iraq and Afghanistan! The only difference is that one of these two wars have completely destroyed your friends economy, but the now ended war in Chechnya hasn't had any major negative effect on our friends economy!

don´t worry Peggy, some boys are simply not well enough informed...

they think that they were there before the Serbs, what is simply an invention by the albanian romanticizm, and by the way, already declared as scientifically disproved.

and what is best, they do not even know about the history of the balkans, what can be seen in the remarks about the Serbs being "invadors"!
( and in the fact, that the do not know the correct writing of invader )

to your information,

Serbs were settling there between the fifth and seventh century because they listened to a call of the romans who wanted the region to be cultivated.

claiming they were invaders is not only historically wrong, it is simply perfidious propaganda.

the bottom-line is:

before you write english words, make sure you learn how they are written!

before you write about history, educate yourself!

Doni

What difference does it make whether Serbs arrived in the Balkans two hundred years ago, one tousand two hundred years ago or twelve thousand years ago? Serbs have also been living in those lands for ages and now to deny them rights to the land because Albanians were there first is completely not in key with European values! Should European states now deny land ownership to Roma, Maroccan, Chinese, Africans, Anatolian Turks and others who are now living in Europe? To claim Kosovo as Albanian because Illyrians were there first is a nonsensical argument and cannot be the basis for Kosovo's independence, to claim Kosovo as Albanian because Albanians are the majority and were treated improperly by the Serbs is another matter. Us Poles were also driven off our lands now in Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine, do you hear us moaning about it?

KS

Chechen terrorists were bombing civilian targets in Moscow and terrorizing primary schools with children, Russia had every right to protect its civilians. Of course I don't agree with how they handled the matter by killing innocent Chechen civilians in aerial bombings and such, but then the US is not different with their bombings of Iraq, Afghanistan and Serbia.

Johnny - Portugal

Russia is a European state, as much as Portugal is.

azir

If you look at any map during the 8th Century, you will see Albania does not exist, only Serbia. Slavs conquered the lands and the Serbian culture could have very well started there.

“Us Poles were also driven off our lands now in Lithuania, Belarus and Ukraine, do you hear us moaning about it?”
Peter

I do not think that we can compare this two situations. Kosovo was a cradle of Serbian state, religion and culture. Hundreds years ago Lithuania was a separate country which join Poland creating Union, Pogon and Korona. Lithuania’s Prince become the King of the Union.

Other story is about Ukraine. It was invaded by Poland. And if you still want to continue comparison then Poland suppose to be absorbed by Ukraine. Ukraine right now has much higher population then Poland (within their borders) so if both countries are as a one, Poles will represent a minority.

It is not case for Serbia and Kosovo.

But be very careful ! Some external provocation can start some stupidity on the both sides. Ukrainians can request a part of Poland, for example Bieszczady, Przemysl, Sandomierz and Poles Lwow, Luck and other places. I pray that it not happen.

Besa bese, you state that Serbia propers has never had any bombs dropped on them.

In WW2 Belgrade was completely bombed while Zagreb was intact. Are you sure you are not confusing the two? Then we have the illegal NATO bombing.

Are you sure you are that uninformed or are you trying to provoke a sarcastic comment and then whinge about how the Serbs don't play fair again?

Kosovo is Serbian holly land and it will never be part of Greater Albanian dream. Osama bin Laden and Saudi Arabia along with other Suni muslims are pushing hard with their oil power to influence Western world to recognize independent Serbian land Kosovo. But, but Russia and China they do not have oil problems and will not allow that dream come through. USA made mistake once with Afghanistan in war against Soviets supporting Suni muslims and that mistake is possible again. If you have chance see new film "Charlie Wilsons War" you will get full picture.

I am afraid, ben, I must "tale" you that I am not here to teach you english or balkan history.

you could do that yourself, IF you would not believe that you were the first in the Balkans, what is simply wishful-thinking. there are no traces of Albanians in Kosovo, but lots of them from Serbs.
US-american archeologist have proven that, your "friends", as you would call them, your masters as I would call them.

you have nothing to do with the illyrians. that´s something you won´t be able to falsify...

my best wishes for you inside Serbia in 2008!