Koštunica, Jeremić reject EU conclusions

Serbia is not for sale Gord. If you want to reward albanian ethnic cleansing against Serbs in Kosovo, I suggest you give them a piece of the UK. Serbia is not yours to give, and you and cowboy George should quit pretending that it is.

This is what I call a Man!

Brown should spend more of his time sorting things out here in the UK, let me tell you that life here is less promising than what it looks like, rather than bothering Serbia!

Once again Gordon Brown opens his mouth without thinking.

Most of the UK is sick of his refusal to consult the people on anything. Time to concentrate on matters at home Mr Brown.

The UK is an international joke after blindly following the USA into Iraq with no coherent strategy.

The arrogance of this dour, soon to be ex-pm, is truly breathtaking. 'New Labour's' famous arrogance is evident in British foreign policy. Isnt there supposed to be a carrot on that stick Gordon???

Mr. Brown's statement is arrogant but typical of British diplomacy towards Serbia.

Britian should keep it's nose on the other side of the channel.

Kate,

You will see very soon how little your so-called "legal deeds" will be worth.
(Joe, 14 December 2007 16:38)

Joe you have been saying this all year its become joke because the fact is the legal deed is worth a lot more than you think otherwise you would be independent by now and the UK would not be more or less begging Serbia to let it go. The UK has no dignity or pride anymore. By the way I see that Romania is telling everyone that they do not support Independence, and so is Slovakia. The fact is at least half of the EU most of whom are silent don't support Independence. The reason they are silent is because they can be since others have raised their voice like Cyprus, Slovakia, Romania, but you can bet that Poland, Spain, Iceland, Portugal, Hungary and few other are not on board, but there is no need for them to say so publicly.

Them even mentioning a reward (which they have) shows that they know they are commiting an unjustice that needs to be kept quiet to keep all partys happy.

What a show this Kosovo is who would have thought that after dieing in Kosovo for hundreds of years the latest Serb exudeus would be due to the "Arnauts" or "Albanians" as they they like to be called now.
How weak we have become when we allow others to have their way with our destiny and our soul. Kosovo is the Soul of every Serb.

I think Vojislav Kostunica is doing the right thing, he is protecting Kosovo, which is the heart of Serbia and always will be.

OUCH!!! What a punch to the gut of the EU....I must admit, im glad Serbian politicians are amongst the smartest in the world. What they just stated is FACT and there is no way around it. We cannot be bought. This just put a big smile on my face. Hope to see you all at Kosovo Polje on Vidovdan next summer in Serbian Kosovo. CCCC

They know that everything is worthless without Belgrade's signature :))))that is why they are so "generous" with offers these days!

'Njazi' - "You can rest assured mr PM that nobody will give you anything for it, because it is not yours to sell, or buy for that matter."

Big words, but the legal deeds say otherwise.

@ Joe: thank you for your advise! Now everything is absolute clear in my mind!! So you are suggesting me to leave the UK for a less crowded country because of the ups and downs of UK's economy?!
Now let me suggest you onev thing: try to keep advises for yourself unless you are asked to.

And to Gordon, instead of putting his big nose into other countries affairs, go and search the lost databases of 25 Millions UK resident's that went missing because labours are unrealible.

"As for the results of the survey, it shows that 67 percent of Serbians support the country's EU membership.

However, only 19 percent are ready to trade joining the Union for Kosovo, while 75 percent rejects this possibility."

Over 6 Million of Serbia's citizens agree with their Government. Todays press conferences by Kosunica and Jeremic have really knocked a major blow to the EU and USA, they are quite frankly looking very silly. What they are doing now is like asking someone to cut off their arm so that they could join a smug little club, most people in their right minds would dismiss such a thing.

International law cannot be beaten thus is why Kosovo is not now and will NEVER be independent. Next I suspect that the EU and USA will pool their money together and offer Serbia 50 Billion Euros or more to Sell Kosovo. It sound ludicrous but its possible, just look how foolish the EU already look by offering a trade.

I dont really get why people get so obsessed about the recognition thing! There are several states that 'survive' and maintain multilateral relations with other states, even though they're not recognized by certain states (i.e Israel, not recognized by 34 states). Meanwhile, the serious risk comes from serbian gov't which is threatening by its plans to use force. Isnt that actually a violation of UN chapter 7? Whilst, the declaration of independence is a natural course in this issue. What did serbian politicians expect? That after 8 years of continuing their lives without the serbian legal sovereignty, albanians would be willing to return to pre-99 situation?
As for 1244, wasn't serbian gov't the first to violate it? Simply by not recognizing its documents, thus leading to limiting the freedom of movement of Kosovo albanians. Or by installing parallel institutional structures, clearly a breach to 1244... The list goes on, just so you know.
Hope they'll find a solution and be done with all this stress both serb and albanian politicians are causing to their people.

To Joe - why is Serbia less crowded than the UK - hmmm?

Additionally with regard to the original topic at hand, Serbia is not anyone's but Serbia's to be dealt with. If anyone doesn't like it, they can go home!

Bravo Vojo!!!

That marti plan has been buried by Putin a long long time ago... Can't believe they are still mentioning this.

Is it possible Europe fell so lowlily? Equivalent to this EU offer is something like:

- Give your child to your neighbor, and you will get a loan for house repair!

If this is normal for EU standards, than :
- EU?
- Thanks, but no thanks!

If it were not for England's treachery, there never would have been communism in Yugoslavia and Milosevic would have never come to power. England planted the seeds that created Milosevic, and now it is blaming the Serbs. Message to the English government, You cannot blame the Serbian people for something your government hepled create!

To KS (aka Ahmet Istufi)

And Kosova's signature!!
(KS, 14 December 2007 20:35)

No way this will happen. Number one - KS has dissected brumsila's comment to benefit his own.

Number two - there is no such place on the planet as Kosova.

It's KOSOVO!

You can rest assured mr PM that nobody will give you anything for it, because it is not yours to sell, or buy for that matter.
This is becoming like Mont Python's flying circus.

Marko,

With the economy of every country generally there are ups and downs. After a long "up" it is possible that the UK will experience a "down" for a while.
So maybe you should move back to Serbia, country less crowded that the UK.

I don't u8nderstand what all this comprimse stuff is all about. If the priro regimes would've worked together and not suppress people we mioght not have been in this situation in the first place. atrocities have been commited by both sides. but the scope of things are much worse for the k alb side when u back a cat into a corner what do you expect the reaction to be it will try and protect itself. as far back as 1989 i remeber in the city of ferizaj "urosevac" i was stop and asked formy papers three times in a two hour period and im an american born albanian. i was confronted by 5 serbian police from leskovic in the post office detained for six hours for the reasons of my passport was allegedly false what a joke
there was tanks around every corner u turned unemployment was at 90% no schools no rights no life i had to go to nis to buy bread and petrol because the even blocked or took the supplies elsewhere people were being wounded for trying to make a better life. This is horrendous and u speak of autonomy what happen with our autonomy before .The k albs and serbs fought together in ww2 k albs compsed 30%of the serbian army but even in the service the oppression was even higher .The end result is mother serbia fought 4 wars in 16 yrs They lost every single one So u tell me who is the aggressors and who are the victims ? end of this long saga.May peace be with all that seek it.

You better take anything that is offered to Sebia Mr. Kostunica because in the end you will end up without anything.

As you wish Mr. Kostunica. As always we expect you to make the wrong decision.

Kastrioti, Serbia isn't trying to "get anything" out of this, just keep it's dignity. Serbia may loose Kosovo, it doesn't matter. Serbs will regain Kosovo sooner or later. But Serbia must not sell out to the west. That would never be forgotten. This is the reason Tadic and Kostunica can not trade EU membership, or anything else, for Kosovo.

Kosovo is and has always been and will always be Serbian.Albanians that say Kosovo has never been Serbia's have no credibility if they cannot face what a simple map will tell you.
Serbia does not want anything beyond keeping her territory.
Kosovo-Metohija is worth more than any economic pay off.
Do not be surprised if in the next few weeks or months there is some manufactured crisis you know problem-reaction-solution to justify military action.
Serbia has held on and needs to stay firm.All the so called news about this issue is propaganda and threats.

Liam said >> "Like it or not, Serbia lost the war, lost the right to govern Kosovo and now will lose any hope of EU membership. It will teach him a lesson when he sees Independent Kosovo join the EU, with BiH, Macedonia, Albania and Montenegro. How own children will not thank him.

First of all Serbia lost 8 aging MIG fighter jets, the good one's never went into battle.

Second, they lost 14 tanks, and less than 20 other lightly armored trucks.

Third, the number of Serbian soldiers killed by NATO was less than Serbian civilian deaths attributed to NATO which they called collateral damage! At the end of the war (78 long days) NATO signed resolution 1244 which effectively lost them all legal rights to later steal Kosovo and assure that Kosovo will remain Serbian. So I ask you Liam who lost the war?

And as for Kosovo getting into the EU, it will never happen because Kosovo Independence will never be legal and even if it was, its no secret that the EU does not want a Muslim nation in their smug little club, just ask Turkey. I personally think it is a disgrace not to have Turkey in the EU, they are by far a more developed country than half of the EU members, most notably Slovenia, who is Slovenia anyway, a country of only 2 million people and five cities to speak of. Why is Turkey not in the EU, the same reason Kosovo would never be, even if it got legal Independence. Same goes for Bosnia, but than again I have no doubt that half of Bosnia will merge with Serbia in 2008 and then a quarter of the other half will merge with Croatia leaving the Muslim quarter with a little under 1.5 Million people and a land mass smaller than Kosovo minus the North part which will also merge with Serbia. I read some nonsense today that Albania will open its borders to Kosovo if Serbia implements economic embargoes, well there you have it, a greater Albania! And the EU said that would never happen, another joke! However the trouble with that plan is a HUGE mountain that stands between Kosovo and Albania and to build a road through that mountain will cost Billions of dollars, and Albania and Kosovo together can never afford such a project since Albania is officially the poorest country in South Eastern Europe. By the way Romania, Slovakia and both Cypress and Greece along with Spain are all publicly saying they opposes Kosovo Independence and will veto any plan to recognize it. The business about recognizing Kosovo now in February or possibly March is ridiculous, it will never happen, if it could than why not recognize Kosovo TODAY!

PS

For anyone who challenges my numbers about Serbian armed forces losses in the 78 day WAR please visit JANE'S MILITARY on-line, they are an American web site dedicated to all things military and a recognized authority in this field.

I am still laughing about that comment that Serbia lost the war!!! Bombing a country from 30,000 feet is what I call a cowardly war. There is nothing brave about dropping bombs from that high in the sky. I give more credit to the KLA than to NATO, at least they fought on the ground. We have all seen how effective NATO is on the ground in Afghanistan! They wouldn't stand a chance on the ground against the Serbian army who are much better trained and equipped than the Taliban in Afghanistan, just look at all the trouble NATO is having over there.

Kate,

You will see very soon how little your so-called "legal deeds" will be worth.

Mospyt, chill out dude. Why do you think you have the right to control freedom of speech? If there is something you don't like, don't think you can control the media. Geez!

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Arnaut is the Turkish word for the people of Albania. Arnauts in modern Turkey are people of Albanian descent, and their ancestors hail primarily from Kosovo.
Arnaut is the turkish name for arvanites and arvanites itself is the greek version of Arberesh (the name albanians called themself till 250 years ago). Your ancestors called themselves Arnauts, what is the problem?

Has Kostunica received an offer from someone wanting to buy Serbia? Maybe he should put Ilic in charge of the tendering procedures then.
What Brown said is not an offer to buy anything. It is a potential condition, which implies that Serbia has to accept something inevitable, i.e. independence of Kosova, in order to get something it wants, i.e. EU membership. Conditions and purchasing offers are somewhat different. Do not confuse things guys.

I admire Kostunica's ability to act as if his refusal to accept the independence of Kosova will change anything. At least he can score some political points with the like of Princip and Kate.
One of Jeremic's advisers, Ivan Vejvoda, published a short interview in which he pretty much admitted the loss of Kosova while stating that de facto partition has already taken place. He implied the same thing I have been saying all along: Independence of Kosova is no longer an issue, but the future of the North is still uncertain, although he did not suggest that Serbia will get it. So why waste our breath discussing on the possibility of a guaranteed certainty taking place while we can discuss the real problem, i.e. partition?

Kostunica is a REAL idealsit. He wants all or nothing. He better take something or else he is going to end up with nothing. His paycheck and luxury will not get effected if he sticks to the serb ideals based on an old myth. He likes this. Serbian people will again pick up the tab and pay dearly for their irresponsible leaders. Kepp going Mr. Kostunica. Serbia will get nothing.

B92,

Please use your powers as moderators fairly. One Serbian poster who signs himself as Vuk in this thread clearly offends all Albanians when he says 'Arnauts or Albanians as they prefer to be called now'. What is Vuk a 'Serb' or a 'Servian' as his brethren used to be called. Does he know where 'Servian' comes from?

If Vuk wants to feel proud for having Koshtunica as PM that fine, but he has to leave Albanians alone. Colonialism and the dreams of Pax Serbianna for the Balkans are just that.

Bravo Mr. Kostunica and Mr. Jeremic. Suggesting to trade Kosovo for EU membership is worse then "indecent proposal". And most important the leaders of EU no about it. And it is time to openly tell them: Serbia is in Europe and nobody can change it. We do not have to be a member of EU in order to be an European country.

If they prefer to have Kosovo as a member it is their problem, Serbia can align with Russia and survive. Hundreds of European and American corporation would like to invest in Serbia. And Serbia can be (as Yugoslavia was) unaligned country.

At the time when Russian oil and gas is a blood for West Europe economy, Serbia can be a dealer of it and make significant profit.

Why do they make all of this maneuvers with Kosovo independence? Why waiting for Serbia's presidential election? Why making "indecent proposal"? Why they try to split Tadic and Kostunica?

They know that they are performing illegal act similar to annexation of Czechoslovakia's Sudetenland by Nazi Germany. Going back to history Hitler's Germany pretended to humiliat Poland requesting a corridor to Gdansk. But Poland (which suffer like Serbia but was as Serbia proud) defend its territory. It loosed the beginning of war but finally Germany was defeated.X6T3T

I'm absolutely sure that majority of Poles support Serbia.

I hope kostunica will continue to support kosovo independence, first by being aligned with russia against the west, and our integration to EU by not accepting EU offer for membership, that will create problems for us if we want to join EU, serbia will just veto for their "inat"

but i hope kostunica will be on our side still.

@Alb-MCSE: Man, please next time you write something have the courtesy of using a dictionary: It's impossible to understand your point.

What ever I do, live, work, go on holiday it's my own business. If a fake politician, put in charge by nobody bursts these pointless comments regarding a foreign country, well I think he should have the common sense to shut up! enjoy the evening everyone!

Kostunica will happily trade his country's future for nationalist votes. He is effectively declaring war on the EU and NATO. How much money has Serbia spent on what it claims is its territory? Serbia does not care about the 95% of people who like in Kosovo. Like it or not, Serbia lost the war, lost the right to govern Kosovo and now will lose any hope of EU membership. It will teach him a lesson when he sees Independent Kosovo join the EU, with BiH, Macedonia, Albania and Montenegro. How own children will not thank him

I have nothing to add to any word that Mr. Kostunica has to say, now or tomorrow. He has been a really good follower of the footsteps of Milosevic and for that he will have the blessing of all Albanians after Dardania (Kosova) goes its way.

I don't know why so many in here are surprised with comments coming from PM of UK!
Until yesterday they were calling ex-PM "Bliar" and now already are not happy with "Gordo"!

Well this is what the Serbian Camp does the best:"Attack is the best Defence"!

I never experienced something like this where you humiliate your contry which you are living and a PM for the sake of Serbia!These are for me "double standards"!!!

Talking about UK Economy,we have even Germans working in here,I don't know how much tells you that!

But when you don't like something then you are "experts" of to make everybody else look bad!

Kosovo is gone my friends,could be a puppet,muppet state or a big precedent,bu it is gone!

"I dont really get why people get so obsessed about the recognition thing! There are several states that 'survive' and maintain multilateral relations with other states, even though they're not recognized by certain states (i.e Israel, not recognized by 34 states). Meanwhile, the serious risk comes from serbian gov't which is threatening by its plans to use force. Isnt that actually a violation of UN chapter 7? Whilst, the declaration of independence is a natural course in this issue. What did serbian politicians expect? That after 8 years of continuing their lives without the serbian legal sovereignty, albanians would be willing to return to pre-99 situation?
As for 1244, wasn't serbian gov't the first to violate it? Simply by not recognizing its documents, thus leading to limiting the freedom of movement of Kosovo albanians. Or by installing parallel institutional structures, clearly a breach to 1244... The list goes on, just so you know.
Hope they'll find a solution and be done with all this stress both serb and albanian politicians are causing to their people.
(gnh-blagoevgrad, 14 December 2007 13:42) "

Have a good read of 1244 and then re-read your post. It doesn't make any sense. A quick reminder, resolution 1244 reafirms the souverignty of Kosovo to Serbia. So in saying that, it is normal and logic for the Serb parliament to have their own structures in Kosovo.

We all know that electoral campaign has started. Kostunica is doing what every politician would do, campaign.
Refusing the offer in Balkans does not mean that it will not take the offer later, if offer is beefed up. So, my guess goes to a better EU offer in order for Kostunica to accept. Better offer would be to give him nothing and declare the independence.

I'm 100% against Serbia joining EU.

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They know that everything is worthless without Belgrade's signature :))))
(bmrusila, 14 December 2007 15:27)

And Kosova's signature!!

Marko as a Serbian dislike the facts that PM Gordon “putting his nose into other countries” however Marko himself likes to PLACE his NOSE into the “Millions that went missing” in England.
Maybe Marko has found all the missing “Millions” in Serbia and now he’s concern in regard of England’s economy.
Alb-MCSE.

@ former european
if kosova was serbia child then serbia is a bad parent, treating its child badly, or the child is bad like the parent of course,

if serbia is used to misstreat its child then it must be taken away from it. and help the parent in some psycological center to recover. also it must take in account that if child is over 18+ he is considered independent form parent and any signature of parent approval is no longer needed.
In fact the child is older than the parent, but if this is the case, then serbia is misstreating its parent Kosova. if it was not for kosova serbs would not existed. so kosova is the parent, who is beaten by it own kid. grow up and leave your parent alone, dont ask for more money, find a job, its your life

Mr. Kostunica,, it seems that you're only concern with your territory, why don't you be more concern with the citizens of serbia?

OK, we the Serbs will sell Kosovo, but for a fair price only. So we can save some dignity, which is huge to the Serb nation.

I propose the we get early entry to the EU, the northern part of Kosovo, and that the EU pays to relocate all the Serbian churches, monasteries, monuments, etc. to Serbia. And that a wall is then built between the two countries.

We have to separate the Serbs from the Albanians. That is evident to both sides. There are too many uneducated, violent people on both sides. But, then again, what do you expect after 50+ years of godless communism!

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Arnaut is the Turkish word for the people of Albania. Arnauts in modern Turkey are people of Albanian descent, and their ancestors hail primarily from Kosovo.
Arnaut is the turkish name for arvanites and arvanites itself is the greek version of Arberesh (the name albanians called themself till 250 years ago). Your ancestors called themselves Arnauts, what is the problem?
(ludimuja, 15 December 2007 02:59)

No ludimuja whe never called ourselves that way,and the wiki quote you brought clearly states that.
Your illogical conlusion is just an,not that veiled, insult.
however keep going with this "humour" of doubtful taste because is the only thing you can do by'now,kosova is gone and nobody is goig to ask "sirbistanians"(turks call you this way so i guess its not an offence)or kostunicas permission.

TO KS -

I don't need your IP address or anything else, it's obvious you're both cut from the same cloth.

Regarding your secondary post - it's obvious your stance & it's truly unfortunate that persons with your beliefs are not what anyone is looking for in the future of PEACE.

I pray that you will change your outlook on life as of right now, it's pretty grim.

Canadian,

The US/EU would offer Serbia 50 billions euros? Wow, not bad at all. Even though the dollar improved today by 2 cents the amount is still close to 75 billion dollars. So as I see you dream in the stronger currency.

To: GSP

You: "# To KS (aka Ahmet Istufi)

Me: I clearly give B92 permission to publicize my IP and Ahmet's in order to prove that I am not him.


You: "No way this will happen. Number one - KS has dissected brumsila's comment to benefit his own. "

Me: Here is what I took out (the last part)"that is why they are so "generous" with offers these days!" I don't know why you're making such a big fuss about it, I didn't change her WORDS or anything.


You: "Number two - there is no such place on the planet as Kosova.

It's KOSOVO!"

Me: There is a place called Kosova, but I hope that Kosova changes its' name to Dardania (and keeps Rugova's flag) and changes every cities name into something else.

Please read the reactions of CITIZENS of Serbia that actualy live in Serbia, as opposed to the Serbian posters from abroad.
No disrespect to anyone.

You better take anything that is offered to Sebia Mr. Kostunica because in the end you will end up without anything.

As you wish Mr. Kostunica. As always we expect you to make the wrong decision.

Has Kostunica received an offer from someone wanting to buy Serbia? Maybe he should put Ilic in charge of the tendering procedures then.
What Brown said is not an offer to buy anything. It is a potential condition, which implies that Serbia has to accept something inevitable, i.e. independence of Kosova, in order to get something it wants, i.e. EU membership. Conditions and purchasing offers are somewhat different. Do not confuse things guys.

Them even mentioning a reward (which they have) shows that they know they are commiting an unjustice that needs to be kept quiet to keep all partys happy.

What a show this Kosovo is who would have thought that after dieing in Kosovo for hundreds of years the latest Serb exudeus would be due to the "Arnauts" or "Albanians" as they they like to be called now.
How weak we have become when we allow others to have their way with our destiny and our soul. Kosovo is the Soul of every Serb.

You can rest assured mr PM that nobody will give you anything for it, because it is not yours to sell, or buy for that matter.
This is becoming like Mont Python's flying circus.

Marko,

With the economy of every country generally there are ups and downs. After a long "up" it is possible that the UK will experience a "down" for a while.
So maybe you should move back to Serbia, country less crowded that the UK.

We all know that electoral campaign has started. Kostunica is doing what every politician would do, campaign.
Refusing the offer in Balkans does not mean that it will not take the offer later, if offer is beefed up. So, my guess goes to a better EU offer in order for Kostunica to accept. Better offer would be to give him nothing and declare the independence.

I admire Kostunica's ability to act as if his refusal to accept the independence of Kosova will change anything. At least he can score some political points with the like of Princip and Kate.
One of Jeremic's advisers, Ivan Vejvoda, published a short interview in which he pretty much admitted the loss of Kosova while stating that de facto partition has already taken place. He implied the same thing I have been saying all along: Independence of Kosova is no longer an issue, but the future of the North is still uncertain, although he did not suggest that Serbia will get it. So why waste our breath discussing on the possibility of a guaranteed certainty taking place while we can discuss the real problem, i.e. partition?

I have nothing to add to any word that Mr. Kostunica has to say, now or tomorrow. He has been a really good follower of the footsteps of Milosevic and for that he will have the blessing of all Albanians after Dardania (Kosova) goes its way.

I don't know why so many in here are surprised with comments coming from PM of UK!
Until yesterday they were calling ex-PM "Bliar" and now already are not happy with "Gordo"!

Well this is what the Serbian Camp does the best:"Attack is the best Defence"!

I never experienced something like this where you humiliate your contry which you are living and a PM for the sake of Serbia!These are for me "double standards"!!!

Talking about UK Economy,we have even Germans working in here,I don't know how much tells you that!

But when you don't like something then you are "experts" of to make everybody else look bad!

Kosovo is gone my friends,could be a puppet,muppet state or a big precedent,bu it is gone!

Kostunica will happily trade his country's future for nationalist votes. He is effectively declaring war on the EU and NATO. How much money has Serbia spent on what it claims is its territory? Serbia does not care about the 95% of people who like in Kosovo. Like it or not, Serbia lost the war, lost the right to govern Kosovo and now will lose any hope of EU membership. It will teach him a lesson when he sees Independent Kosovo join the EU, with BiH, Macedonia, Albania and Montenegro. How own children will not thank him

I dont really get why people get so obsessed about the recognition thing! There are several states that 'survive' and maintain multilateral relations with other states, even though they're not recognized by certain states (i.e Israel, not recognized by 34 states). Meanwhile, the serious risk comes from serbian gov't which is threatening by its plans to use force. Isnt that actually a violation of UN chapter 7? Whilst, the declaration of independence is a natural course in this issue. What did serbian politicians expect? That after 8 years of continuing their lives without the serbian legal sovereignty, albanians would be willing to return to pre-99 situation?
As for 1244, wasn't serbian gov't the first to violate it? Simply by not recognizing its documents, thus leading to limiting the freedom of movement of Kosovo albanians. Or by installing parallel institutional structures, clearly a breach to 1244... The list goes on, just so you know.
Hope they'll find a solution and be done with all this stress both serb and albanian politicians are causing to their people.

Kate,

You will see very soon how little your so-called "legal deeds" will be worth.

I'm 100% against Serbia joining EU.

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They know that everything is worthless without Belgrade's signature :))))
(bmrusila, 14 December 2007 15:27)

And Kosova's signature!!

B92,

Please use your powers as moderators fairly. One Serbian poster who signs himself as Vuk in this thread clearly offends all Albanians when he says 'Arnauts or Albanians as they prefer to be called now'. What is Vuk a 'Serb' or a 'Servian' as his brethren used to be called. Does he know where 'Servian' comes from?

If Vuk wants to feel proud for having Koshtunica as PM that fine, but he has to leave Albanians alone. Colonialism and the dreams of Pax Serbianna for the Balkans are just that.

@ former european
if kosova was serbia child then serbia is a bad parent, treating its child badly, or the child is bad like the parent of course,

if serbia is used to misstreat its child then it must be taken away from it. and help the parent in some psycological center to recover. also it must take in account that if child is over 18+ he is considered independent form parent and any signature of parent approval is no longer needed.
In fact the child is older than the parent, but if this is the case, then serbia is misstreating its parent Kosova. if it was not for kosova serbs would not existed. so kosova is the parent, who is beaten by it own kid. grow up and leave your parent alone, dont ask for more money, find a job, its your life

Mr. Kostunica,, it seems that you're only concern with your territory, why don't you be more concern with the citizens of serbia?

I hope kostunica will continue to support kosovo independence, first by being aligned with russia against the west, and our integration to EU by not accepting EU offer for membership, that will create problems for us if we want to join EU, serbia will just veto for their "inat"

but i hope kostunica will be on our side still.

Kostunica is a REAL idealsit. He wants all or nothing. He better take something or else he is going to end up with nothing. His paycheck and luxury will not get effected if he sticks to the serb ideals based on an old myth. He likes this. Serbian people will again pick up the tab and pay dearly for their irresponsible leaders. Kepp going Mr. Kostunica. Serbia will get nothing.

I don't u8nderstand what all this comprimse stuff is all about. If the priro regimes would've worked together and not suppress people we mioght not have been in this situation in the first place. atrocities have been commited by both sides. but the scope of things are much worse for the k alb side when u back a cat into a corner what do you expect the reaction to be it will try and protect itself. as far back as 1989 i remeber in the city of ferizaj "urosevac" i was stop and asked formy papers three times in a two hour period and im an american born albanian. i was confronted by 5 serbian police from leskovic in the post office detained for six hours for the reasons of my passport was allegedly false what a joke
there was tanks around every corner u turned unemployment was at 90% no schools no rights no life i had to go to nis to buy bread and petrol because the even blocked or took the supplies elsewhere people were being wounded for trying to make a better life. This is horrendous and u speak of autonomy what happen with our autonomy before .The k albs and serbs fought together in ww2 k albs compsed 30%of the serbian army but even in the service the oppression was even higher .The end result is mother serbia fought 4 wars in 16 yrs They lost every single one So u tell me who is the aggressors and who are the victims ? end of this long saga.May peace be with all that seek it.

Marko as a Serbian dislike the facts that PM Gordon “putting his nose into other countries” however Marko himself likes to PLACE his NOSE into the “Millions that went missing” in England.
Maybe Marko has found all the missing “Millions” in Serbia and now he’s concern in regard of England’s economy.
Alb-MCSE.

Canadian,

The US/EU would offer Serbia 50 billions euros? Wow, not bad at all. Even though the dollar improved today by 2 cents the amount is still close to 75 billion dollars. So as I see you dream in the stronger currency.

To: GSP

You: "# To KS (aka Ahmet Istufi)

Me: I clearly give B92 permission to publicize my IP and Ahmet's in order to prove that I am not him.


You: "No way this will happen. Number one - KS has dissected brumsila's comment to benefit his own. "

Me: Here is what I took out (the last part)"that is why they are so "generous" with offers these days!" I don't know why you're making such a big fuss about it, I didn't change her WORDS or anything.


You: "Number two - there is no such place on the planet as Kosova.

It's KOSOVO!"

Me: There is a place called Kosova, but I hope that Kosova changes its' name to Dardania (and keeps Rugova's flag) and changes every cities name into something else.

Serbia is not for sale Gord. If you want to reward albanian ethnic cleansing against Serbs in Kosovo, I suggest you give them a piece of the UK. Serbia is not yours to give, and you and cowboy George should quit pretending that it is.

If it were not for England's treachery, there never would have been communism in Yugoslavia and Milosevic would have never come to power. England planted the seeds that created Milosevic, and now it is blaming the Serbs. Message to the English government, You cannot blame the Serbian people for something your government hepled create!

OK, we the Serbs will sell Kosovo, but for a fair price only. So we can save some dignity, which is huge to the Serb nation.

I propose the we get early entry to the EU, the northern part of Kosovo, and that the EU pays to relocate all the Serbian churches, monasteries, monuments, etc. to Serbia. And that a wall is then built between the two countries.

We have to separate the Serbs from the Albanians. That is evident to both sides. There are too many uneducated, violent people on both sides. But, then again, what do you expect after 50+ years of godless communism!

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Arnaut is the Turkish word for the people of Albania. Arnauts in modern Turkey are people of Albanian descent, and their ancestors hail primarily from Kosovo.
Arnaut is the turkish name for arvanites and arvanites itself is the greek version of Arberesh (the name albanians called themself till 250 years ago). Your ancestors called themselves Arnauts, what is the problem?
(ludimuja, 15 December 2007 02:59)

No ludimuja whe never called ourselves that way,and the wiki quote you brought clearly states that.
Your illogical conlusion is just an,not that veiled, insult.
however keep going with this "humour" of doubtful taste because is the only thing you can do by'now,kosova is gone and nobody is goig to ask "sirbistanians"(turks call you this way so i guess its not an offence)or kostunicas permission.

Please read the reactions of CITIZENS of Serbia that actualy live in Serbia, as opposed to the Serbian posters from abroad.
No disrespect to anyone.

This is what I call a Man!

Brown should spend more of his time sorting things out here in the UK, let me tell you that life here is less promising than what it looks like, rather than bothering Serbia!

The arrogance of this dour, soon to be ex-pm, is truly breathtaking. 'New Labour's' famous arrogance is evident in British foreign policy. Isnt there supposed to be a carrot on that stick Gordon???

Mr. Brown's statement is arrogant but typical of British diplomacy towards Serbia.

Britian should keep it's nose on the other side of the channel.

Once again Gordon Brown opens his mouth without thinking.

Most of the UK is sick of his refusal to consult the people on anything. Time to concentrate on matters at home Mr Brown.

The UK is an international joke after blindly following the USA into Iraq with no coherent strategy.

'Njazi' - "You can rest assured mr PM that nobody will give you anything for it, because it is not yours to sell, or buy for that matter."

Big words, but the legal deeds say otherwise.

OUCH!!! What a punch to the gut of the EU....I must admit, im glad Serbian politicians are amongst the smartest in the world. What they just stated is FACT and there is no way around it. We cannot be bought. This just put a big smile on my face. Hope to see you all at Kosovo Polje on Vidovdan next summer in Serbian Kosovo. CCCC

@Alb-MCSE: Man, please next time you write something have the courtesy of using a dictionary: It's impossible to understand your point.

What ever I do, live, work, go on holiday it's my own business. If a fake politician, put in charge by nobody bursts these pointless comments regarding a foreign country, well I think he should have the common sense to shut up! enjoy the evening everyone!

Kastrioti, Serbia isn't trying to "get anything" out of this, just keep it's dignity. Serbia may loose Kosovo, it doesn't matter. Serbs will regain Kosovo sooner or later. But Serbia must not sell out to the west. That would never be forgotten. This is the reason Tadic and Kostunica can not trade EU membership, or anything else, for Kosovo.

"As for the results of the survey, it shows that 67 percent of Serbians support the country's EU membership.

However, only 19 percent are ready to trade joining the Union for Kosovo, while 75 percent rejects this possibility."

Over 6 Million of Serbia's citizens agree with their Government. Todays press conferences by Kosunica and Jeremic have really knocked a major blow to the EU and USA, they are quite frankly looking very silly. What they are doing now is like asking someone to cut off their arm so that they could join a smug little club, most people in their right minds would dismiss such a thing.

International law cannot be beaten thus is why Kosovo is not now and will NEVER be independent. Next I suspect that the EU and USA will pool their money together and offer Serbia 50 Billion Euros or more to Sell Kosovo. It sound ludicrous but its possible, just look how foolish the EU already look by offering a trade.

To KS (aka Ahmet Istufi)

And Kosova's signature!!
(KS, 14 December 2007 20:35)

No way this will happen. Number one - KS has dissected brumsila's comment to benefit his own.

Number two - there is no such place on the planet as Kosova.

It's KOSOVO!

Mospyt, chill out dude. Why do you think you have the right to control freedom of speech? If there is something you don't like, don't think you can control the media. Geez!

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Arnaut is the Turkish word for the people of Albania. Arnauts in modern Turkey are people of Albanian descent, and their ancestors hail primarily from Kosovo.
Arnaut is the turkish name for arvanites and arvanites itself is the greek version of Arberesh (the name albanians called themself till 250 years ago). Your ancestors called themselves Arnauts, what is the problem?

They know that everything is worthless without Belgrade's signature :))))that is why they are so "generous" with offers these days!

@ Joe: thank you for your advise! Now everything is absolute clear in my mind!! So you are suggesting me to leave the UK for a less crowded country because of the ups and downs of UK's economy?!
Now let me suggest you onev thing: try to keep advises for yourself unless you are asked to.

And to Gordon, instead of putting his big nose into other countries affairs, go and search the lost databases of 25 Millions UK resident's that went missing because labours are unrealible.

Kate,

You will see very soon how little your so-called "legal deeds" will be worth.
(Joe, 14 December 2007 16:38)

Joe you have been saying this all year its become joke because the fact is the legal deed is worth a lot more than you think otherwise you would be independent by now and the UK would not be more or less begging Serbia to let it go. The UK has no dignity or pride anymore. By the way I see that Romania is telling everyone that they do not support Independence, and so is Slovakia. The fact is at least half of the EU most of whom are silent don't support Independence. The reason they are silent is because they can be since others have raised their voice like Cyprus, Slovakia, Romania, but you can bet that Poland, Spain, Iceland, Portugal, Hungary and few other are not on board, but there is no need for them to say so publicly.

I think Vojislav Kostunica is doing the right thing, he is protecting Kosovo, which is the heart of Serbia and always will be.

To Joe - why is Serbia less crowded than the UK - hmmm?

Additionally with regard to the original topic at hand, Serbia is not anyone's but Serbia's to be dealt with. If anyone doesn't like it, they can go home!

Bravo Vojo!!!

That marti plan has been buried by Putin a long long time ago... Can't believe they are still mentioning this.

Is it possible Europe fell so lowlily? Equivalent to this EU offer is something like:

- Give your child to your neighbor, and you will get a loan for house repair!

If this is normal for EU standards, than :
- EU?
- Thanks, but no thanks!

Kosovo is and has always been and will always be Serbian.Albanians that say Kosovo has never been Serbia's have no credibility if they cannot face what a simple map will tell you.
Serbia does not want anything beyond keeping her territory.
Kosovo-Metohija is worth more than any economic pay off.
Do not be surprised if in the next few weeks or months there is some manufactured crisis you know problem-reaction-solution to justify military action.
Serbia has held on and needs to stay firm.All the so called news about this issue is propaganda and threats.

Bravo Mr. Kostunica and Mr. Jeremic. Suggesting to trade Kosovo for EU membership is worse then "indecent proposal". And most important the leaders of EU no about it. And it is time to openly tell them: Serbia is in Europe and nobody can change it. We do not have to be a member of EU in order to be an European country.

If they prefer to have Kosovo as a member it is their problem, Serbia can align with Russia and survive. Hundreds of European and American corporation would like to invest in Serbia. And Serbia can be (as Yugoslavia was) unaligned country.

At the time when Russian oil and gas is a blood for West Europe economy, Serbia can be a dealer of it and make significant profit.

Why do they make all of this maneuvers with Kosovo independence? Why waiting for Serbia's presidential election? Why making "indecent proposal"? Why they try to split Tadic and Kostunica?

They know that they are performing illegal act similar to annexation of Czechoslovakia's Sudetenland by Nazi Germany. Going back to history Hitler's Germany pretended to humiliat Poland requesting a corridor to Gdansk. But Poland (which suffer like Serbia but was as Serbia proud) defend its territory. It loosed the beginning of war but finally Germany was defeated.X6T3T

I'm absolutely sure that majority of Poles support Serbia.

Liam said >> "Like it or not, Serbia lost the war, lost the right to govern Kosovo and now will lose any hope of EU membership. It will teach him a lesson when he sees Independent Kosovo join the EU, with BiH, Macedonia, Albania and Montenegro. How own children will not thank him.

First of all Serbia lost 8 aging MIG fighter jets, the good one's never went into battle.

Second, they lost 14 tanks, and less than 20 other lightly armored trucks.

Third, the number of Serbian soldiers killed by NATO was less than Serbian civilian deaths attributed to NATO which they called collateral damage! At the end of the war (78 long days) NATO signed resolution 1244 which effectively lost them all legal rights to later steal Kosovo and assure that Kosovo will remain Serbian. So I ask you Liam who lost the war?

And as for Kosovo getting into the EU, it will never happen because Kosovo Independence will never be legal and even if it was, its no secret that the EU does not want a Muslim nation in their smug little club, just ask Turkey. I personally think it is a disgrace not to have Turkey in the EU, they are by far a more developed country than half of the EU members, most notably Slovenia, who is Slovenia anyway, a country of only 2 million people and five cities to speak of. Why is Turkey not in the EU, the same reason Kosovo would never be, even if it got legal Independence. Same goes for Bosnia, but than again I have no doubt that half of Bosnia will merge with Serbia in 2008 and then a quarter of the other half will merge with Croatia leaving the Muslim quarter with a little under 1.5 Million people and a land mass smaller than Kosovo minus the North part which will also merge with Serbia. I read some nonsense today that Albania will open its borders to Kosovo if Serbia implements economic embargoes, well there you have it, a greater Albania! And the EU said that would never happen, another joke! However the trouble with that plan is a HUGE mountain that stands between Kosovo and Albania and to build a road through that mountain will cost Billions of dollars, and Albania and Kosovo together can never afford such a project since Albania is officially the poorest country in South Eastern Europe. By the way Romania, Slovakia and both Cypress and Greece along with Spain are all publicly saying they opposes Kosovo Independence and will veto any plan to recognize it. The business about recognizing Kosovo now in February or possibly March is ridiculous, it will never happen, if it could than why not recognize Kosovo TODAY!

PS

For anyone who challenges my numbers about Serbian armed forces losses in the 78 day WAR please visit JANE'S MILITARY on-line, they are an American web site dedicated to all things military and a recognized authority in this field.

I am still laughing about that comment that Serbia lost the war!!! Bombing a country from 30,000 feet is what I call a cowardly war. There is nothing brave about dropping bombs from that high in the sky. I give more credit to the KLA than to NATO, at least they fought on the ground. We have all seen how effective NATO is on the ground in Afghanistan! They wouldn't stand a chance on the ground against the Serbian army who are much better trained and equipped than the Taliban in Afghanistan, just look at all the trouble NATO is having over there.

"I dont really get why people get so obsessed about the recognition thing! There are several states that 'survive' and maintain multilateral relations with other states, even though they're not recognized by certain states (i.e Israel, not recognized by 34 states). Meanwhile, the serious risk comes from serbian gov't which is threatening by its plans to use force. Isnt that actually a violation of UN chapter 7? Whilst, the declaration of independence is a natural course in this issue. What did serbian politicians expect? That after 8 years of continuing their lives without the serbian legal sovereignty, albanians would be willing to return to pre-99 situation?
As for 1244, wasn't serbian gov't the first to violate it? Simply by not recognizing its documents, thus leading to limiting the freedom of movement of Kosovo albanians. Or by installing parallel institutional structures, clearly a breach to 1244... The list goes on, just so you know.
Hope they'll find a solution and be done with all this stress both serb and albanian politicians are causing to their people.
(gnh-blagoevgrad, 14 December 2007 13:42) "

Have a good read of 1244 and then re-read your post. It doesn't make any sense. A quick reminder, resolution 1244 reafirms the souverignty of Kosovo to Serbia. So in saying that, it is normal and logic for the Serb parliament to have their own structures in Kosovo.

TO KS -

I don't need your IP address or anything else, it's obvious you're both cut from the same cloth.

Regarding your secondary post - it's obvious your stance & it's truly unfortunate that persons with your beliefs are not what anyone is looking for in the future of PEACE.

I pray that you will change your outlook on life as of right now, it's pretty grim.