Kosovo negotions officially end today

Source: Reuters

"All but one of the European Union's 27 member states are ready to accept independence for the breakaway Serbian province of Kosovo without a U.N. resolution, Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt said on Monday.

"There is virtual unity on Kosovo," Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt told reporters ahead of talks in Brussels after a December 10 date deadline set by Western powers for international mediation efforts expired.

He did not name the member state which still wanted a U.N. Security Council resolution before accepting a declaration by ethnic Kosovo Albanian leaders expected within weeks. Luxembourg Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn said Cyprus was alone in having "an enormous problem" in backing Kosovo independence."

As we have been saying all along, independence is not a matter of IF, but WHEN!

Taras,

You’re just angry we outmaneuvered you in diplomacy and international relations.

The "primitive Muslim Albanians clans" as you like to call us, outsmarting the "modern Christian defenders of the faith from the barbaric hordes of the east"

Should be an interesting topic of discussion in the Serbian Academy of Sciences.

So the mighty new independant state the Albanians plan to create out of Kosovo-Metohija will have to wait for permission from its current masters?

How pathetic.

Only Cyprus is not on board at this point, but it will be very soon. Anyway, Cyprus is an island...you know...islands might sink...today you see them, tomorrow they are not there. Global warming might have some positive results after all. Just joking.

Dusan Janjic obviuously cannot be taken seriously since he chanegs his mind in just few hours.

This the statement was given yestdray :

-"Janjic says that, despite the differences Belgrade and Priština expressed, there were also points of agreement.
This, Janjić believes, could mean there is room for a continuation of the process"

This is the statement from today or even last night:

"UN Security Council will probably conclude that there was progress made in the Kosovo status talks, but he does not think that a continuation will be approved".

Furter more there is the statement coming from Pristina :

-Aöbanians also stated that independence would not be proclaimed without the go-ahead from the United States and European Union.


Well I guess then they will have to wait, long, long, long and yet maybe never gain independence since official stand of EU is to have unified agreement on Kosovo issue. That will never happen. If Albanians decide to make unilateral steps towards the independence there will be chaos and anarchy which will be hard to control and that will furtermore lead to possible violence.

December 10 had earlier been calculated as the “D Day” for Kosovo Albanian leaders to proclaim independence.

I think it might be some December but just don't know which centery and which planet.

Thaqi is showing a plitical maturity which i did not expect from him.

I really feard that independence might be proclaimed before the enviroment was right, leading to more countries backing away from recognising independence.

after waiting a century, we have no major problems with waiting another couple of weeks.

Bright Star wrote:
"after waiting a century, we have no major problems with waiting another couple of weeks."
Well if you just missed a train,
waiting at the station will not help you to approach it.

My advise:
Leave the station, this train was never meant for you.

to nick ks:

The only thing albanians mastered is how to launch terrorist attacks on Serbs.
The rest are just orders they receive from american masters, because albanians aren't in control of anything.

america is determined to illegaly occupy KiM, but we will see what happens

“I can only conclude that we can no longer work on finding and agreed solution, because the two sides are not ready to reach an agreement. My personal stance is that we looked at the situation from every possible angle and that an agreement could not be reached,” he said.

Excellent, now stay out of it and let us deal with it. Otherwise you will be as embarrassed as you were when u couldnt stop the Russians from entering Kosovo first in 99. Needless to say they are much better off today

""Ahead of Monday's EU meeting in Brussels, Luxembourg's Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn said there was nearly consensus among EU members over Kosovo - and that only Cyprus still wanted a UN Security Council resolution before accepting a declaration of independence, Reuters news agency reported.
"

[link]

Sould I say "WE TOLD YOU SO "
(laki NY, 10 December 2007 15:18)"

laki,

I hate to spoil your celebrations but it is really premature at this stage to uncork your champagne bottle.

1. "Nearly consensus" is not the same as clear consensus. You don't need me or anyone else to know the difference.

2. "Nearly consensus" about what? -- clear and unambiguous Kosovo independence or will the language in the EU declaration be sufficiently fudged to allow a myriad of interpretations? That again is left to be seen.

3. Luxembourg purports to speak for countries like Spain, Greece and Slovakia. I have yet to see any of these countries reaffirm Luxembourg's claim.

4. Ultimately it is UN membership, not EU or US acquiensce that will confer statehood on Kosovo or others. Don't hold your breath for this to happen anytime soon. If you don't believe me, just ask the Taiwanese. They know better than anyone else.

“I would say that Ahtisaari’s plan was never taken off the table during the Troika talks. The Serbian side rejected it, and the Kosovo side accepted it – Ahtisaari’s plan is still there, alive and well,” Wisner told Voice of America."

Ahtissari's plans are alive and well ..... but outside the UN.

The "primitive Muslim Albanians clans" as you like to call us, outsmarting the "modern Christian defenders of the faith from the barbaric hordes of the east"

Nick KS,

You dearly paid for it. Read paid. You know that has nothing to do with being bright,smart or anything like that. You know that the worst students finish their schools when bribe the teacher. So, lets call it right name-bribing and sooner or later student fails when it comes to action in practice.

December 10th & just another day in fantasy land!

So the mighty new independant state the Albanians plan to create out of Kosovo-Metohija will have to wait for permission from its current masters?

How pathetic.
(Taras, 10 December 2007 10:21)

The only thing that is pathetic is that you actually believed this day (December 10, 2007) was going to be "the" day. A dozen date claims & still no independence!

"Ahead of Monday's EU meeting in Brussels, Luxembourg's Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn said there was nearly consensus among EU members over Kosovo - and that only Cyprus still wanted a UN Security Council resolution before accepting a declaration of independence, Reuters news agency reported.
"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7136233.stm

Sould I say "WE TOLD YOU SO "

This is a very short message to remember all the civilians died during the 11 weeks of bombing over Serbia: you died invane!

8 Years and nothing has changed, before kosovo belonged to Serbia on paper and by fact, today 2ML albanians claim it as their Holy Land based on nothing. Nato wasted Billion of dollars for nothing. That money could have been invested in kosovo for jobs, factories, infrastructure, schools and I'm 100% sure that serbians and albanians would have been happy together with jobs and a safe living.

Today Kosovars have no prospect and not because of Serbia, blame Nato and yourselvs if we are in this situation.

A decision could be reached at the negotiating table as soon as the United States stops promising the Albanians what it can not give them. If the Americans made it clear to the Albanians that the solution has to conform to Resolution 1244 (which isn't going anywhere regardless of what the Albanians do) we would see real negotiations and a settlement very soon.

As it stands now, unless the Russians and the Chinese change their minds (which they show no signs of doing), Serbia still has a UN Security Council resolution stating that Kosovo is its territory.

The Albanians can proclaim their independence today and the Americans along with some European NATO countries can recognize tomorrow, but nothing is going to change. The UN can't recognize an independent Kosovo, Serbia won't recognize it, and most of the countries outside of NATO won't recognize it.

All that will happen is that international travel will be more difficult for people living in Kosovo, and international trade will be made harder for Kosovo.

The Kosovo-Albanians would be well advised to reach a negotiated settlement with Serbia. As long as Serbia does not agree with Kosovo's status, it will be a disputed territory and quite unattractive to foreign investment.

Kosovo's economy will not be able to function until the status issue is solved to everyone's satisfaction -- including Serbia's.

The Albanians should remember that recognition by the American Government does not equal investment from American businesses.

"Yesterday, U.S. envoy Frank Wisner said that Martti Ahtisaari’s Kosovo plan is “still alive and well, and a good road forward.”

and also

"I would say that Ahtisaari’s plan was never taken off the table during the Troika talks. The Serbian side rejected it, and the Kosovo side accepted it – Ahtisaari’s plan is still there, alive and well,” Wisner told Voice of America."

Only Cyprus is not on board at this point, but it will be very soon. Anyway, Cyprus is an island...you know...islands might sink...today you see them, tomorrow they are not there. Global warming might have some positive results after all. Just joking.

Source: Reuters

"All but one of the European Union's 27 member states are ready to accept independence for the breakaway Serbian province of Kosovo without a U.N. resolution, Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt said on Monday.

"There is virtual unity on Kosovo," Swedish Foreign Minister Carl Bildt told reporters ahead of talks in Brussels after a December 10 date deadline set by Western powers for international mediation efforts expired.

He did not name the member state which still wanted a U.N. Security Council resolution before accepting a declaration by ethnic Kosovo Albanian leaders expected within weeks. Luxembourg Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn said Cyprus was alone in having "an enormous problem" in backing Kosovo independence."

As we have been saying all along, independence is not a matter of IF, but WHEN!

Thaqi is showing a plitical maturity which i did not expect from him.

I really feard that independence might be proclaimed before the enviroment was right, leading to more countries backing away from recognising independence.

after waiting a century, we have no major problems with waiting another couple of weeks.

"Ahead of Monday's EU meeting in Brussels, Luxembourg's Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn said there was nearly consensus among EU members over Kosovo - and that only Cyprus still wanted a UN Security Council resolution before accepting a declaration of independence, Reuters news agency reported.
"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7136233.stm

Sould I say "WE TOLD YOU SO "

So the mighty new independant state the Albanians plan to create out of Kosovo-Metohija will have to wait for permission from its current masters?

How pathetic.

"Yesterday, U.S. envoy Frank Wisner said that Martti Ahtisaari’s Kosovo plan is “still alive and well, and a good road forward.”

and also

"I would say that Ahtisaari’s plan was never taken off the table during the Troika talks. The Serbian side rejected it, and the Kosovo side accepted it – Ahtisaari’s plan is still there, alive and well,” Wisner told Voice of America."

“I would say that Ahtisaari’s plan was never taken off the table during the Troika talks. The Serbian side rejected it, and the Kosovo side accepted it – Ahtisaari’s plan is still there, alive and well,” Wisner told Voice of America."

Ahtissari's plans are alive and well ..... but outside the UN.

Taras,

You’re just angry we outmaneuvered you in diplomacy and international relations.

The "primitive Muslim Albanians clans" as you like to call us, outsmarting the "modern Christian defenders of the faith from the barbaric hordes of the east"

Should be an interesting topic of discussion in the Serbian Academy of Sciences.

to nick ks:

The only thing albanians mastered is how to launch terrorist attacks on Serbs.
The rest are just orders they receive from american masters, because albanians aren't in control of anything.

america is determined to illegaly occupy KiM, but we will see what happens

The "primitive Muslim Albanians clans" as you like to call us, outsmarting the "modern Christian defenders of the faith from the barbaric hordes of the east"

Nick KS,

You dearly paid for it. Read paid. You know that has nothing to do with being bright,smart or anything like that. You know that the worst students finish their schools when bribe the teacher. So, lets call it right name-bribing and sooner or later student fails when it comes to action in practice.

This is a very short message to remember all the civilians died during the 11 weeks of bombing over Serbia: you died invane!

8 Years and nothing has changed, before kosovo belonged to Serbia on paper and by fact, today 2ML albanians claim it as their Holy Land based on nothing. Nato wasted Billion of dollars for nothing. That money could have been invested in kosovo for jobs, factories, infrastructure, schools and I'm 100% sure that serbians and albanians would have been happy together with jobs and a safe living.

Today Kosovars have no prospect and not because of Serbia, blame Nato and yourselvs if we are in this situation.

Dusan Janjic obviuously cannot be taken seriously since he chanegs his mind in just few hours.

This the statement was given yestdray :

-"Janjic says that, despite the differences Belgrade and Priština expressed, there were also points of agreement.
This, Janjić believes, could mean there is room for a continuation of the process"

This is the statement from today or even last night:

"UN Security Council will probably conclude that there was progress made in the Kosovo status talks, but he does not think that a continuation will be approved".

Furter more there is the statement coming from Pristina :

-Aöbanians also stated that independence would not be proclaimed without the go-ahead from the United States and European Union.


Well I guess then they will have to wait, long, long, long and yet maybe never gain independence since official stand of EU is to have unified agreement on Kosovo issue. That will never happen. If Albanians decide to make unilateral steps towards the independence there will be chaos and anarchy which will be hard to control and that will furtermore lead to possible violence.

December 10 had earlier been calculated as the “D Day” for Kosovo Albanian leaders to proclaim independence.

I think it might be some December but just don't know which centery and which planet.

Bright Star wrote:
"after waiting a century, we have no major problems with waiting another couple of weeks."
Well if you just missed a train,
waiting at the station will not help you to approach it.

My advise:
Leave the station, this train was never meant for you.

December 10th & just another day in fantasy land!

So the mighty new independant state the Albanians plan to create out of Kosovo-Metohija will have to wait for permission from its current masters?

How pathetic.
(Taras, 10 December 2007 10:21)

The only thing that is pathetic is that you actually believed this day (December 10, 2007) was going to be "the" day. A dozen date claims & still no independence!

“I can only conclude that we can no longer work on finding and agreed solution, because the two sides are not ready to reach an agreement. My personal stance is that we looked at the situation from every possible angle and that an agreement could not be reached,” he said.

Excellent, now stay out of it and let us deal with it. Otherwise you will be as embarrassed as you were when u couldnt stop the Russians from entering Kosovo first in 99. Needless to say they are much better off today

""Ahead of Monday's EU meeting in Brussels, Luxembourg's Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn said there was nearly consensus among EU members over Kosovo - and that only Cyprus still wanted a UN Security Council resolution before accepting a declaration of independence, Reuters news agency reported.
"

[link]

Sould I say "WE TOLD YOU SO "
(laki NY, 10 December 2007 15:18)"

laki,

I hate to spoil your celebrations but it is really premature at this stage to uncork your champagne bottle.

1. "Nearly consensus" is not the same as clear consensus. You don't need me or anyone else to know the difference.

2. "Nearly consensus" about what? -- clear and unambiguous Kosovo independence or will the language in the EU declaration be sufficiently fudged to allow a myriad of interpretations? That again is left to be seen.

3. Luxembourg purports to speak for countries like Spain, Greece and Slovakia. I have yet to see any of these countries reaffirm Luxembourg's claim.

4. Ultimately it is UN membership, not EU or US acquiensce that will confer statehood on Kosovo or others. Don't hold your breath for this to happen anytime soon. If you don't believe me, just ask the Taiwanese. They know better than anyone else.

A decision could be reached at the negotiating table as soon as the United States stops promising the Albanians what it can not give them. If the Americans made it clear to the Albanians that the solution has to conform to Resolution 1244 (which isn't going anywhere regardless of what the Albanians do) we would see real negotiations and a settlement very soon.

As it stands now, unless the Russians and the Chinese change their minds (which they show no signs of doing), Serbia still has a UN Security Council resolution stating that Kosovo is its territory.

The Albanians can proclaim their independence today and the Americans along with some European NATO countries can recognize tomorrow, but nothing is going to change. The UN can't recognize an independent Kosovo, Serbia won't recognize it, and most of the countries outside of NATO won't recognize it.

All that will happen is that international travel will be more difficult for people living in Kosovo, and international trade will be made harder for Kosovo.

The Kosovo-Albanians would be well advised to reach a negotiated settlement with Serbia. As long as Serbia does not agree with Kosovo's status, it will be a disputed territory and quite unattractive to foreign investment.

Kosovo's economy will not be able to function until the status issue is solved to everyone's satisfaction -- including Serbia's.

The Albanians should remember that recognition by the American Government does not equal investment from American businesses.