we don't want supports from country like: Romania, cypro, greece ... as long as US, UK, France, Switzerland, Germany etc support our independence than ...
Ok, he blocked the OSCE statement, but OSCE will continue its mission in Kosova regardless of that statement. I dont see what's the point. It's like: Ok, you do whatever but dont say it out loud.
To Bob Petrovic, Next, Cvele and other die hard idealistic posters
The laws exist to serve people. When something wrong is done, it needs to be changed. International laws could not stop serbia from commiting ethnic clensing, therefore it had to be ignored. Why is wrong to ignore an international law that allows for ethnic clensing? Furthermore, why should be those who comited ethnic clensing be asked about what laws should be created? In addition, your accusations of Albanians for crimes against serbs are so childish. You are ignoring to consider the scale by which serb crimes in Kosova were carried out-using army, paramilitary, police, etc. In most of cities in Kosova people were given 15 minutes to leave home. City of Peja (80 thousand+ population) was cleansened in half a day. Over a milion were chased out of Kosova by serb forces. Those forces were serb forces supported by serbia and serbian people. How can anybody take this nation seriously when Serbia complains of violation of international law? It is time not to hide after logical analysis. It is a chance for serbs to look in the mirror and what tyhe entire world has seen-a nation that carried out ethnic clensing at a grand scale in a very recent past.
I agree with Johny...the way the Serb politicians have been handling this issue has been nothing but laughable, to the point that they lost even those barganing chips they might have had in the beginning of the negotiations.
There is no more enthusiasm for the article regarding Jeremić's actions than the derogatory & ridiculous comments coming from the albanian camp.
This is a justifiable action taken by a foreign minister. If Thaci was to claim action against Serbia, there wouldn't be so many albanians against this.
The ONE thing that we have is that KosovO is "STILL" Serbian land!
Serbia is doing very well to block all OSCE and EU missions outside resolution 1244. The plan of the pro-independence westerners is "supervised independence" - even the Ahtisaari plan hinges crusially on a EU mission in place to supervise the Albanians. the plan was to have EUMIK in place, and then, perhaps in March, the K-albanians would be free to declare independence. But without a legal mandate, the EUMIK cannot enter and take over from UNMIK. The EU lawyers have told the Brits, the French and the Germans this. So by denying the EUMIK a legal mandate, Serbia is substantially increasing the costs to the EU of unilateral independence. Consensus will then be unattainable
As usual I see Serbs in this site get too enthusiastic for no reason whatsoever.
If one was to think about it from a neutral perspective, the Serbs living in Kosova/o are the biggest losers of them all. If after independence there is no OSCE they will have nobody (no international community) in Kosova/o who they can go and complain about the Albanians and their daily life. And for that they have to thank their leaders is Belgrade.
I thank Mr. Jeremic for the good job he did. Sometimes I cannot help but wonder if Kostunica and several other Serb politicians are actually Albanian lobbyists. They really do and say some stupid things, that hurt the Serbs more than the Albanians.
Well said, Bob Petrovich! Indeed, most of the Albanian posters on this site are always conflating their own brand of highly-emotional radical nationalism and gross revisions of history with the realities of fact and law. They do this because they know well they cannot even compete on the level of rational, legal, and objective argumentation.
To KS, who said anything about Srebrenica? Is that the only way you can respond to anything that doesn't jibe with your views? Of course Srebrenica was a horrible crime! No one is denying that? But what does that have to do with Bob Petrovich's post? By the way, the massacre at Srebrenica was not committed by Serbia, unless you mean to imply that all Serbs everywhere at any time are all culpable for the actions of a few? If that is the case then it is quite obvious of your own bigotry and intolerance.
Teni, Why can't the Serbs have N-Kosovo. Trust me Serbia will not walk away empty handed if, big if, independence happens. Serbias door prize is N-Kosovo. It's only the tip, a small price to pay for independence. Because it will come down to partition.
No problem. We Albanians will get back to you with our blocades when the time comes. Then, for sure, different class of Serbian politicians will try to unblock our blocades by blaming old cast of todays' politicians, but it will be too late for apologies. We will never forget nor forgive your attitude.
Poor Mr.Burns-all the money lobyist took from albanians was not enough for the race, just before lobying laws are to change in January.And Serbians are winning this one without paying a penny to fat cats.
CCCCCC.....
@ Doni,
To be a considered a real citizen you have to participate in state run institutions and contribute whether that be by paying taxes, adhering to the laws of the nation or getting involved in a municipal or regional level. You havent done nor have you even tried any of the above mentioned so how can you be "Fed up" with this system?????
Why do the Albanians consider themselves to be to be above the law? No nation on this planet operates that way... What you propose is ridiculus and commical. You advocate independence however you are in no position to dictate anything as your only argument is that the region is ethnically pure.... What kind of precident does that set for others? Establish a majority ethnic group and then break away and declare independence?????
You havent set an example for the SERB minority in the 8 years you have been without Serb rule. You are asking Serbs in the north to get involved isnt that what Serbia has been asking of you to do from day #1?????
Once you realize that you cant get everything that you are asking for will real negotiations begin and only then is a solution possible.
Thank God for Serbia and its divine adherence to international law, for if the opposite was the case we would be seeing the rights of minorities being trampled all over the place. Hundreds of thousands of people would be ethnically cleansed through state-sponsored programs and psychological warfare - such as rape, xenophobia, and torture - would be the norm, and thousands of innocent civilians would perish in such sick and twisted ideology.
I am thankful for the current state that Serbia is in today - it makes me sleep better at night.
it is so funny to talk with serbs, they seem so childish and believe in supranatural phenomenoms to save Kosovo.
They are real day dreamers, and beleivers that some kind of power will save their face.
Funcakes & KS,
I cant help but laugh at your blunt sarcasm. Do you think that countries of the West are willing to break international law and principles over a place called Kosovo? If they didnt care for the rule of law they would of broke it a long long time ago. They are doing everything in their power to work around the law and resolution 1244 but keep hitting the wall. They cant do anything at the UN level so now they try at the OSCE and they attain the same results NOTHING, NADA, NJET,ZIPPO etc....
Teni,
You have proved you have a real talent for holding your breath and waiting..... Currently the Guiness Book of World Record's for holding your breath is over 3 minutes!! Surely you can break this with your eyes closed as you and your friends keep holding it waiting for the West to declare independence.
Once Dec 10 comes and goes please let me know the next date that your "mighty leaders" will declare next as independence day!
It seems that Albanian interlocutors on this site do not understand the concept of the law and the international treaties.
It does not count what you think, but rather what has been ratified by internationally recognized states.
National minorities are not entitled to their own countries, if they have domicile county of their own.
No doubt, there are always forces who want to turn the international treaties upside down and rearange Europe to their liking. Treaty of Westphalia was breached by Napoleon, treaty of Versailles by Hitler, Bush now tries to violate The Helsinki Act.
The acts of terrorism, rebellion and violent secessionism by national minority are not permissible means to alleviate perecived unjustices of the past.
Reading the posts of Albanian posters here, one could imagine that no
terrorist or military activities of radical Kosovo Albanians ever occured.
The crime committed by Albanian extremists since June 10 1999 and the silence of Albanian population about them nullify perceived victim status of Kosovo Albanians.
And that victimhood is the victimhood of The Menendez brothers who blamed alleged child abuse as reason for cold blooded murder of their perents for financial gain.
I am fully aware of the culture of impunity for
crimes Albanian interlocutors grew with. It goes back to the Ottoman times, stretches through the Nazi occupation of Serbia, Tito's communist rule and crimes commitied since mid 1990 to the present time.
The sooner Kosovo Albanians look in the mirror, the better. If they do not like what they see, they should not blame Serbs for that.
Serbia offered more than a hostile and unloyal national minority would get anywhere in the world.
Mr Vuk blocks the OSCE statement. Good, is OSCE going to block the One Billion of € for Serbia?
As Albanian I think this contribution would help Serbia, Balkans, Kosovo and even Albania considering the Cefta Agreement. The best strategy if a win-win strategy. Let's do business not small political fireworks.
Kosovo could have been indipendent a long time ago but the International Community has always wanted Serbia to have respected way to reckognize the long-due right of K-Albanians.
I don`t know why they did it , but the Kostunica-Team simply played id lousy. They attacked anyone , EU , NATO , UN , whoever. Do you really want to be some kind of "Greater Transnistria". If yes , I wish you good luck!
Excellent work! I fully support Serbia blocking this backdoor attempt and any others, by Burns and his to steal Serbian land. I am sure that the Russians, Greeks, Cypriots, Slovaks, and all other freedom loving people are smiling at this rebuke. I certainly am.
Now isn't this a 'unilateral' move? OSCE statements are made through negotiations and compromise of all parties. Serbia's stubbornness shows its hypocritical motives.
(Ptoleme, 30 November 2007 16:17)
Wrong! Serbia is blocking an illegal move. Its like chess and no matter how many players play there is only one set of Rules. I
PS unilateral means alone... if we didnt Russia would have. So in any case we r not alone.
Organization For Spreading Chaos in Europe has achieved nothing in Kosovo for the past 5 and a half years but spend enourmous amounts of money and use endless lunch breaks, exactly the same as UNMIK
Well here I was thinking that the Serbs were all happy, what with Plan B and all. There doesn't seem to have been a happy moment for Serbia in the OSCE though. Anyway this sort of moves cannot alter the inevitable. Kosova is gone and the sooner Serbia accepts publicly what they already accept and probably wish for in private the better for them and us.
Frankly I think the Serb government does not even want Kosova to remain a part of Serbia, because they fear the growth of the Albanian population there which would inevitably lead to the Albanians assuming more political power in Serbia. At most they are interested in the northern bit, which apparently they can't have and that is what this is all about. Indeed it would have been interesting for K-Albanian politicians to call Serbia's bluff and accept to stay part of Serbia, but only as a equal entity in a confederation of the kind Serbia had with Montenegro. Had that happened Kostunica would have become the staunchest supporter of Kosova's independence.
Funcakes, KS and Ptoleme ! You are dead wrong ! I have friends that are diplomats around the world and they tell me that many country leaders envy the Serbian leadership. The Serbian leadership are extremely sufficent, educated and smart. They also know that they have the international law behind them. Funcakes wrote "They don't need the representative from a country that has done nothing but violate a long list of such laws, to tell them how the show is run". Let me laugh and give me a break. So, if a country in the past with bad leaders have done horrible things, they will suffer forever and the world will break fundamental laws that has been negotiated for decades because of a small province full of criminality ?? Those who thinks so must be insane. What about Germany in WWII? Tell me, why do you think the EU is trying so hard to get an agreement? Is it because they love to see a new country full of criminality next to their borders or is it because they are tired to send people, soldiers (ie money) there? I can tell you, the EU and also the US, are sick and tired about Kosovo. It will forever and ever be a black hole at the outskirts of Europe. Serbia, on the other hand, has every legal right to defend itself. Serbia is doing right to say no to OSCE-mission in Kosovo. Why should they say yes. Give me one reason, when the K-albanians doesnt do anything more than complain and tries to take a bit of a sovereign European state. What if Bulgaria suddenly took a part of Romania or Greece took a part of Albania with force? Would that be ok ? And dont give me the old story about who it belong to 1912 or 1389 etc etc. Then we must rearrange border-drawing in whole of Europe and I dont think leaders of EU are so much into that because of a small, landlocked, place called Kosovo. Do you ?
To all Serbs: I am not for or against either Serbs or Albanians, but facts and law counts. You have all reasons to take it easy. Kosovo will never be independent. Remember "Land shall of law be built".
Now isn't this a 'unilateral' move? OSCE statements are made through negotiations and compromise of all parties. Serbia's stubbornness shows its hypocritical motives.
The internationals are perfectly aware of how the international law operates.
They don't need the representative from a country that has done nothing but violate a long list of such laws, to tell them how the show is run.
I'm surprised Jeremic even has time to visit places, shouldn't he be helping out Tadic and Kostunica in their grad plan to "boycott" Kosovar independence and "retaliate" against those who will recognize it?
It seems that Albanian interlocutors on this site do not understand the concept of the law and the international treaties.
It does not count what you think, but rather what has been ratified by internationally recognized states.
National minorities are not entitled to their own countries, if they have domicile county of their own.
No doubt, there are always forces who want to turn the international treaties upside down and rearange Europe to their liking. Treaty of Westphalia was breached by Napoleon, treaty of Versailles by Hitler, Bush now tries to violate The Helsinki Act.
The acts of terrorism, rebellion and violent secessionism by national minority are not permissible means to alleviate perecived unjustices of the past.
Reading the posts of Albanian posters here, one could imagine that no
terrorist or military activities of radical Kosovo Albanians ever occured.
The crime committed by Albanian extremists since June 10 1999 and the silence of Albanian population about them nullify perceived victim status of Kosovo Albanians.
And that victimhood is the victimhood of The Menendez brothers who blamed alleged child abuse as reason for cold blooded murder of their perents for financial gain.
I am fully aware of the culture of impunity for
crimes Albanian interlocutors grew with. It goes back to the Ottoman times, stretches through the Nazi occupation of Serbia, Tito's communist rule and crimes commitied since mid 1990 to the present time.
The sooner Kosovo Albanians look in the mirror, the better. If they do not like what they see, they should not blame Serbs for that.
Serbia offered more than a hostile and unloyal national minority would get anywhere in the world.
Excellent work! I fully support Serbia blocking this backdoor attempt and any others, by Burns and his to steal Serbian land. I am sure that the Russians, Greeks, Cypriots, Slovaks, and all other freedom loving people are smiling at this rebuke. I certainly am.
Funcakes, KS and Ptoleme ! You are dead wrong ! I have friends that are diplomats around the world and they tell me that many country leaders envy the Serbian leadership. The Serbian leadership are extremely sufficent, educated and smart. They also know that they have the international law behind them. Funcakes wrote "They don't need the representative from a country that has done nothing but violate a long list of such laws, to tell them how the show is run". Let me laugh and give me a break. So, if a country in the past with bad leaders have done horrible things, they will suffer forever and the world will break fundamental laws that has been negotiated for decades because of a small province full of criminality ?? Those who thinks so must be insane. What about Germany in WWII? Tell me, why do you think the EU is trying so hard to get an agreement? Is it because they love to see a new country full of criminality next to their borders or is it because they are tired to send people, soldiers (ie money) there? I can tell you, the EU and also the US, are sick and tired about Kosovo. It will forever and ever be a black hole at the outskirts of Europe. Serbia, on the other hand, has every legal right to defend itself. Serbia is doing right to say no to OSCE-mission in Kosovo. Why should they say yes. Give me one reason, when the K-albanians doesnt do anything more than complain and tries to take a bit of a sovereign European state. What if Bulgaria suddenly took a part of Romania or Greece took a part of Albania with force? Would that be ok ? And dont give me the old story about who it belong to 1912 or 1389 etc etc. Then we must rearrange border-drawing in whole of Europe and I dont think leaders of EU are so much into that because of a small, landlocked, place called Kosovo. Do you ?
To all Serbs: I am not for or against either Serbs or Albanians, but facts and law counts. You have all reasons to take it easy. Kosovo will never be independent. Remember "Land shall of law be built".
Now isn't this a 'unilateral' move? OSCE statements are made through negotiations and compromise of all parties. Serbia's stubbornness shows its hypocritical motives.
(Ptoleme, 30 November 2007 16:17)
Wrong! Serbia is blocking an illegal move. Its like chess and no matter how many players play there is only one set of Rules. I
PS unilateral means alone... if we didnt Russia would have. So in any case we r not alone.
Funcakes & KS,
I cant help but laugh at your blunt sarcasm. Do you think that countries of the West are willing to break international law and principles over a place called Kosovo? If they didnt care for the rule of law they would of broke it a long long time ago. They are doing everything in their power to work around the law and resolution 1244 but keep hitting the wall. They cant do anything at the UN level so now they try at the OSCE and they attain the same results NOTHING, NADA, NJET,ZIPPO etc....
Teni,
You have proved you have a real talent for holding your breath and waiting..... Currently the Guiness Book of World Record's for holding your breath is over 3 minutes!! Surely you can break this with your eyes closed as you and your friends keep holding it waiting for the West to declare independence.
Once Dec 10 comes and goes please let me know the next date that your "mighty leaders" will declare next as independence day!
Organization For Spreading Chaos in Europe has achieved nothing in Kosovo for the past 5 and a half years but spend enourmous amounts of money and use endless lunch breaks, exactly the same as UNMIK
Well said, Bob Petrovich! Indeed, most of the Albanian posters on this site are always conflating their own brand of highly-emotional radical nationalism and gross revisions of history with the realities of fact and law. They do this because they know well they cannot even compete on the level of rational, legal, and objective argumentation.
To KS, who said anything about Srebrenica? Is that the only way you can respond to anything that doesn't jibe with your views? Of course Srebrenica was a horrible crime! No one is denying that? But what does that have to do with Bob Petrovich's post? By the way, the massacre at Srebrenica was not committed by Serbia, unless you mean to imply that all Serbs everywhere at any time are all culpable for the actions of a few? If that is the case then it is quite obvious of your own bigotry and intolerance.
The internationals are perfectly aware of how the international law operates.
They don't need the representative from a country that has done nothing but violate a long list of such laws, to tell them how the show is run.
I'm surprised Jeremic even has time to visit places, shouldn't he be helping out Tadic and Kostunica in their grad plan to "boycott" Kosovar independence and "retaliate" against those who will recognize it?
@ Doni,
To be a considered a real citizen you have to participate in state run institutions and contribute whether that be by paying taxes, adhering to the laws of the nation or getting involved in a municipal or regional level. You havent done nor have you even tried any of the above mentioned so how can you be "Fed up" with this system?????
Why do the Albanians consider themselves to be to be above the law? No nation on this planet operates that way... What you propose is ridiculus and commical. You advocate independence however you are in no position to dictate anything as your only argument is that the region is ethnically pure.... What kind of precident does that set for others? Establish a majority ethnic group and then break away and declare independence?????
You havent set an example for the SERB minority in the 8 years you have been without Serb rule. You are asking Serbs in the north to get involved isnt that what Serbia has been asking of you to do from day #1?????
Once you realize that you cant get everything that you are asking for will real negotiations begin and only then is a solution possible.
Poor Mr.Burns-all the money lobyist took from albanians was not enough for the race, just before lobying laws are to change in January.And Serbians are winning this one without paying a penny to fat cats.
CCCCCC.....
Now isn't this a 'unilateral' move? OSCE statements are made through negotiations and compromise of all parties. Serbia's stubbornness shows its hypocritical motives.
Well here I was thinking that the Serbs were all happy, what with Plan B and all. There doesn't seem to have been a happy moment for Serbia in the OSCE though. Anyway this sort of moves cannot alter the inevitable. Kosova is gone and the sooner Serbia accepts publicly what they already accept and probably wish for in private the better for them and us.
Frankly I think the Serb government does not even want Kosova to remain a part of Serbia, because they fear the growth of the Albanian population there which would inevitably lead to the Albanians assuming more political power in Serbia. At most they are interested in the northern bit, which apparently they can't have and that is what this is all about. Indeed it would have been interesting for K-Albanian politicians to call Serbia's bluff and accept to stay part of Serbia, but only as a equal entity in a confederation of the kind Serbia had with Montenegro. Had that happened Kostunica would have become the staunchest supporter of Kosova's independence.
Thank God for Serbia and its divine adherence to international law, for if the opposite was the case we would be seeing the rights of minorities being trampled all over the place. Hundreds of thousands of people would be ethnically cleansed through state-sponsored programs and psychological warfare - such as rape, xenophobia, and torture - would be the norm, and thousands of innocent civilians would perish in such sick and twisted ideology.
I am thankful for the current state that Serbia is in today - it makes me sleep better at night.
Teni, Why can't the Serbs have N-Kosovo. Trust me Serbia will not walk away empty handed if, big if, independence happens. Serbias door prize is N-Kosovo. It's only the tip, a small price to pay for independence. Because it will come down to partition.
There is no more enthusiasm for the article regarding Jeremić's actions than the derogatory & ridiculous comments coming from the albanian camp.
This is a justifiable action taken by a foreign minister. If Thaci was to claim action against Serbia, there wouldn't be so many albanians against this.
The ONE thing that we have is that KosovO is "STILL" Serbian land!
I don`t know why they did it , but the Kostunica-Team simply played id lousy. They attacked anyone , EU , NATO , UN , whoever. Do you really want to be some kind of "Greater Transnistria". If yes , I wish you good luck!
it is so funny to talk with serbs, they seem so childish and believe in supranatural phenomenoms to save Kosovo.
They are real day dreamers, and beleivers that some kind of power will save their face.
No problem. We Albanians will get back to you with our blocades when the time comes. Then, for sure, different class of Serbian politicians will try to unblock our blocades by blaming old cast of todays' politicians, but it will be too late for apologies. We will never forget nor forgive your attitude.
Mr Vuk blocks the OSCE statement. Good, is OSCE going to block the One Billion of € for Serbia?
As Albanian I think this contribution would help Serbia, Balkans, Kosovo and even Albania considering the Cefta Agreement. The best strategy if a win-win strategy. Let's do business not small political fireworks.
Kosovo could have been indipendent a long time ago but the International Community has always wanted Serbia to have respected way to reckognize the long-due right of K-Albanians.
Serbia is doing very well to block all OSCE and EU missions outside resolution 1244. The plan of the pro-independence westerners is "supervised independence" - even the Ahtisaari plan hinges crusially on a EU mission in place to supervise the Albanians. the plan was to have EUMIK in place, and then, perhaps in March, the K-albanians would be free to declare independence. But without a legal mandate, the EUMIK cannot enter and take over from UNMIK. The EU lawyers have told the Brits, the French and the Germans this. So by denying the EUMIK a legal mandate, Serbia is substantially increasing the costs to the EU of unilateral independence. Consensus will then be unattainable
As usual I see Serbs in this site get too enthusiastic for no reason whatsoever.
If one was to think about it from a neutral perspective, the Serbs living in Kosova/o are the biggest losers of them all. If after independence there is no OSCE they will have nobody (no international community) in Kosova/o who they can go and complain about the Albanians and their daily life. And for that they have to thank their leaders is Belgrade.
I thank Mr. Jeremic for the good job he did. Sometimes I cannot help but wonder if Kostunica and several other Serb politicians are actually Albanian lobbyists. They really do and say some stupid things, that hurt the Serbs more than the Albanians.
To Bob Petrovic, Next, Cvele and other die hard idealistic posters
The laws exist to serve people. When something wrong is done, it needs to be changed. International laws could not stop serbia from commiting ethnic clensing, therefore it had to be ignored. Why is wrong to ignore an international law that allows for ethnic clensing? Furthermore, why should be those who comited ethnic clensing be asked about what laws should be created? In addition, your accusations of Albanians for crimes against serbs are so childish. You are ignoring to consider the scale by which serb crimes in Kosova were carried out-using army, paramilitary, police, etc. In most of cities in Kosova people were given 15 minutes to leave home. City of Peja (80 thousand+ population) was cleansened in half a day. Over a milion were chased out of Kosova by serb forces. Those forces were serb forces supported by serbia and serbian people. How can anybody take this nation seriously when Serbia complains of violation of international law? It is time not to hide after logical analysis. It is a chance for serbs to look in the mirror and what tyhe entire world has seen-a nation that carried out ethnic clensing at a grand scale in a very recent past.
Ok, he blocked the OSCE statement, but OSCE will continue its mission in Kosova regardless of that statement. I dont see what's the point. It's like: Ok, you do whatever but dont say it out loud.
I agree with Johny...the way the Serb politicians have been handling this issue has been nothing but laughable, to the point that they lost even those barganing chips they might have had in the beginning of the negotiations.
we don't want supports from country like: Romania, cypro, greece ... as long as US, UK, France, Switzerland, Germany etc support our independence than ...
Now isn't this a 'unilateral' move? OSCE statements are made through negotiations and compromise of all parties. Serbia's stubbornness shows its hypocritical motives.
The internationals are perfectly aware of how the international law operates.
They don't need the representative from a country that has done nothing but violate a long list of such laws, to tell them how the show is run.
I'm surprised Jeremic even has time to visit places, shouldn't he be helping out Tadic and Kostunica in their grad plan to "boycott" Kosovar independence and "retaliate" against those who will recognize it?
it is so funny to talk with serbs, they seem so childish and believe in supranatural phenomenoms to save Kosovo.
They are real day dreamers, and beleivers that some kind of power will save their face.
Well here I was thinking that the Serbs were all happy, what with Plan B and all. There doesn't seem to have been a happy moment for Serbia in the OSCE though. Anyway this sort of moves cannot alter the inevitable. Kosova is gone and the sooner Serbia accepts publicly what they already accept and probably wish for in private the better for them and us.
Frankly I think the Serb government does not even want Kosova to remain a part of Serbia, because they fear the growth of the Albanian population there which would inevitably lead to the Albanians assuming more political power in Serbia. At most they are interested in the northern bit, which apparently they can't have and that is what this is all about. Indeed it would have been interesting for K-Albanian politicians to call Serbia's bluff and accept to stay part of Serbia, but only as a equal entity in a confederation of the kind Serbia had with Montenegro. Had that happened Kostunica would have become the staunchest supporter of Kosova's independence.
No problem. We Albanians will get back to you with our blocades when the time comes. Then, for sure, different class of Serbian politicians will try to unblock our blocades by blaming old cast of todays' politicians, but it will be too late for apologies. We will never forget nor forgive your attitude.
Mr Vuk blocks the OSCE statement. Good, is OSCE going to block the One Billion of € for Serbia?
As Albanian I think this contribution would help Serbia, Balkans, Kosovo and even Albania considering the Cefta Agreement. The best strategy if a win-win strategy. Let's do business not small political fireworks.
Kosovo could have been indipendent a long time ago but the International Community has always wanted Serbia to have respected way to reckognize the long-due right of K-Albanians.
I don`t know why they did it , but the Kostunica-Team simply played id lousy. They attacked anyone , EU , NATO , UN , whoever. Do you really want to be some kind of "Greater Transnistria". If yes , I wish you good luck!
Thank God for Serbia and its divine adherence to international law, for if the opposite was the case we would be seeing the rights of minorities being trampled all over the place. Hundreds of thousands of people would be ethnically cleansed through state-sponsored programs and psychological warfare - such as rape, xenophobia, and torture - would be the norm, and thousands of innocent civilians would perish in such sick and twisted ideology.
I am thankful for the current state that Serbia is in today - it makes me sleep better at night.
As usual I see Serbs in this site get too enthusiastic for no reason whatsoever.
If one was to think about it from a neutral perspective, the Serbs living in Kosova/o are the biggest losers of them all. If after independence there is no OSCE they will have nobody (no international community) in Kosova/o who they can go and complain about the Albanians and their daily life. And for that they have to thank their leaders is Belgrade.
I thank Mr. Jeremic for the good job he did. Sometimes I cannot help but wonder if Kostunica and several other Serb politicians are actually Albanian lobbyists. They really do and say some stupid things, that hurt the Serbs more than the Albanians.
To Bob Petrovic, Next, Cvele and other die hard idealistic posters
The laws exist to serve people. When something wrong is done, it needs to be changed. International laws could not stop serbia from commiting ethnic clensing, therefore it had to be ignored. Why is wrong to ignore an international law that allows for ethnic clensing? Furthermore, why should be those who comited ethnic clensing be asked about what laws should be created? In addition, your accusations of Albanians for crimes against serbs are so childish. You are ignoring to consider the scale by which serb crimes in Kosova were carried out-using army, paramilitary, police, etc. In most of cities in Kosova people were given 15 minutes to leave home. City of Peja (80 thousand+ population) was cleansened in half a day. Over a milion were chased out of Kosova by serb forces. Those forces were serb forces supported by serbia and serbian people. How can anybody take this nation seriously when Serbia complains of violation of international law? It is time not to hide after logical analysis. It is a chance for serbs to look in the mirror and what tyhe entire world has seen-a nation that carried out ethnic clensing at a grand scale in a very recent past.
It seems that Albanian interlocutors on this site do not understand the concept of the law and the international treaties.
It does not count what you think, but rather what has been ratified by internationally recognized states.
National minorities are not entitled to their own countries, if they have domicile county of their own.
No doubt, there are always forces who want to turn the international treaties upside down and rearange Europe to their liking. Treaty of Westphalia was breached by Napoleon, treaty of Versailles by Hitler, Bush now tries to violate The Helsinki Act.
The acts of terrorism, rebellion and violent secessionism by national minority are not permissible means to alleviate perecived unjustices of the past.
Reading the posts of Albanian posters here, one could imagine that no
terrorist or military activities of radical Kosovo Albanians ever occured.
The crime committed by Albanian extremists since June 10 1999 and the silence of Albanian population about them nullify perceived victim status of Kosovo Albanians.
And that victimhood is the victimhood of The Menendez brothers who blamed alleged child abuse as reason for cold blooded murder of their perents for financial gain.
I am fully aware of the culture of impunity for
crimes Albanian interlocutors grew with. It goes back to the Ottoman times, stretches through the Nazi occupation of Serbia, Tito's communist rule and crimes commitied since mid 1990 to the present time.
The sooner Kosovo Albanians look in the mirror, the better. If they do not like what they see, they should not blame Serbs for that.
Serbia offered more than a hostile and unloyal national minority would get anywhere in the world.
I agree with Johny...the way the Serb politicians have been handling this issue has been nothing but laughable, to the point that they lost even those barganing chips they might have had in the beginning of the negotiations.
Organization For Spreading Chaos in Europe has achieved nothing in Kosovo for the past 5 and a half years but spend enourmous amounts of money and use endless lunch breaks, exactly the same as UNMIK
Now isn't this a 'unilateral' move? OSCE statements are made through negotiations and compromise of all parties. Serbia's stubbornness shows its hypocritical motives.
(Ptoleme, 30 November 2007 16:17)
Wrong! Serbia is blocking an illegal move. Its like chess and no matter how many players play there is only one set of Rules. I
PS unilateral means alone... if we didnt Russia would have. So in any case we r not alone.
Funcakes, KS and Ptoleme ! You are dead wrong ! I have friends that are diplomats around the world and they tell me that many country leaders envy the Serbian leadership. The Serbian leadership are extremely sufficent, educated and smart. They also know that they have the international law behind them. Funcakes wrote "They don't need the representative from a country that has done nothing but violate a long list of such laws, to tell them how the show is run". Let me laugh and give me a break. So, if a country in the past with bad leaders have done horrible things, they will suffer forever and the world will break fundamental laws that has been negotiated for decades because of a small province full of criminality ?? Those who thinks so must be insane. What about Germany in WWII? Tell me, why do you think the EU is trying so hard to get an agreement? Is it because they love to see a new country full of criminality next to their borders or is it because they are tired to send people, soldiers (ie money) there? I can tell you, the EU and also the US, are sick and tired about Kosovo. It will forever and ever be a black hole at the outskirts of Europe. Serbia, on the other hand, has every legal right to defend itself. Serbia is doing right to say no to OSCE-mission in Kosovo. Why should they say yes. Give me one reason, when the K-albanians doesnt do anything more than complain and tries to take a bit of a sovereign European state. What if Bulgaria suddenly took a part of Romania or Greece took a part of Albania with force? Would that be ok ? And dont give me the old story about who it belong to 1912 or 1389 etc etc. Then we must rearrange border-drawing in whole of Europe and I dont think leaders of EU are so much into that because of a small, landlocked, place called Kosovo. Do you ?
To all Serbs: I am not for or against either Serbs or Albanians, but facts and law counts. You have all reasons to take it easy. Kosovo will never be independent. Remember "Land shall of law be built".
Funcakes & KS,
I cant help but laugh at your blunt sarcasm. Do you think that countries of the West are willing to break international law and principles over a place called Kosovo? If they didnt care for the rule of law they would of broke it a long long time ago. They are doing everything in their power to work around the law and resolution 1244 but keep hitting the wall. They cant do anything at the UN level so now they try at the OSCE and they attain the same results NOTHING, NADA, NJET,ZIPPO etc....
Teni,
You have proved you have a real talent for holding your breath and waiting..... Currently the Guiness Book of World Record's for holding your breath is over 3 minutes!! Surely you can break this with your eyes closed as you and your friends keep holding it waiting for the West to declare independence.
Once Dec 10 comes and goes please let me know the next date that your "mighty leaders" will declare next as independence day!
Ok, he blocked the OSCE statement, but OSCE will continue its mission in Kosova regardless of that statement. I dont see what's the point. It's like: Ok, you do whatever but dont say it out loud.
we don't want supports from country like: Romania, cypro, greece ... as long as US, UK, France, Switzerland, Germany etc support our independence than ...
Excellent work! I fully support Serbia blocking this backdoor attempt and any others, by Burns and his to steal Serbian land. I am sure that the Russians, Greeks, Cypriots, Slovaks, and all other freedom loving people are smiling at this rebuke. I certainly am.
@ Doni,
To be a considered a real citizen you have to participate in state run institutions and contribute whether that be by paying taxes, adhering to the laws of the nation or getting involved in a municipal or regional level. You havent done nor have you even tried any of the above mentioned so how can you be "Fed up" with this system?????
Why do the Albanians consider themselves to be to be above the law? No nation on this planet operates that way... What you propose is ridiculus and commical. You advocate independence however you are in no position to dictate anything as your only argument is that the region is ethnically pure.... What kind of precident does that set for others? Establish a majority ethnic group and then break away and declare independence?????
You havent set an example for the SERB minority in the 8 years you have been without Serb rule. You are asking Serbs in the north to get involved isnt that what Serbia has been asking of you to do from day #1?????
Once you realize that you cant get everything that you are asking for will real negotiations begin and only then is a solution possible.
Poor Mr.Burns-all the money lobyist took from albanians was not enough for the race, just before lobying laws are to change in January.And Serbians are winning this one without paying a penny to fat cats.
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Teni, Why can't the Serbs have N-Kosovo. Trust me Serbia will not walk away empty handed if, big if, independence happens. Serbias door prize is N-Kosovo. It's only the tip, a small price to pay for independence. Because it will come down to partition.
Well said, Bob Petrovich! Indeed, most of the Albanian posters on this site are always conflating their own brand of highly-emotional radical nationalism and gross revisions of history with the realities of fact and law. They do this because they know well they cannot even compete on the level of rational, legal, and objective argumentation.
To KS, who said anything about Srebrenica? Is that the only way you can respond to anything that doesn't jibe with your views? Of course Srebrenica was a horrible crime! No one is denying that? But what does that have to do with Bob Petrovich's post? By the way, the massacre at Srebrenica was not committed by Serbia, unless you mean to imply that all Serbs everywhere at any time are all culpable for the actions of a few? If that is the case then it is quite obvious of your own bigotry and intolerance.
Serbia is doing very well to block all OSCE and EU missions outside resolution 1244. The plan of the pro-independence westerners is "supervised independence" - even the Ahtisaari plan hinges crusially on a EU mission in place to supervise the Albanians. the plan was to have EUMIK in place, and then, perhaps in March, the K-albanians would be free to declare independence. But without a legal mandate, the EUMIK cannot enter and take over from UNMIK. The EU lawyers have told the Brits, the French and the Germans this. So by denying the EUMIK a legal mandate, Serbia is substantially increasing the costs to the EU of unilateral independence. Consensus will then be unattainable
There is no more enthusiasm for the article regarding Jeremić's actions than the derogatory & ridiculous comments coming from the albanian camp.
This is a justifiable action taken by a foreign minister. If Thaci was to claim action against Serbia, there wouldn't be so many albanians against this.
The ONE thing that we have is that KosovO is "STILL" Serbian land!
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