Albania lobbies Islamic Conference over Kosovo

first, albania really is messing with other country's internal affairs here and they need a diplomatic rap on the fingers for this asap.
second, an albanian or maybe more than one told me here not two days ago that they are in fact all christians, about declaring independence for christmas. if they now tell me they are muslims, i shudder to think what will happen if the dalai lama expresses his support for kosovo albanians :)

Ron said"Albania is lobbying for Kosovo. Why not for Tibet?
Here we see the huge lie of a multi-ethnic Kosovo. They want it to be a second Albania.

What has Albania to do with Kosovo? "

Because in Kosova/o there are Albanians while in Tibet there are no Albanians. Because Tibet is a oceans and continents apart from us while Kosova/o is next door.

Also should we consider all the slav states in the Balkans
second Serbia's, since they're slavs? Then if not, why should we consider Kosova/o second- Albania. If yes why have so many second Serbia's and not even one second Albania.I hear Serbs screaming against double standards yet they're the first ones who set the double standards themselves.

The deal was for the status to be set at a later date. That's why we have these negotiations. Don't mix apples with oranges.

Everything help to support Kosova independence. To the Serbian panel what is the understanding of the Serbs regarding the Islamic Conference? Do you think that their economical and financial support to Kosova after the independence would be relevant?)))

Well a couple of things to answer your question EA.

First, I've been hearing for the past few months on this site that in the event of Kosovo's declaration, the United States, Albania, and "most Arab countries" would recognize. If that were the case, why is Pristina now petitioning for their case outside the gates of OIC this late in the game? Shouldn't this have already been a self-evident conclusion? Obviously there's still a good chunk of the world that's playing "fence sitting", waiting to see what happens, if they even care at all.

Secondly, let's say OIC approves and agrees to fund Kosovo after independence. What type of funding are we talking about? The "Saudi" type of funding that includes a Wahabi mosque, complete with radical imam, that must come with everything asked? We've all seen the types of funding that come from the Middle East, and they often have lots of strings attached to further the host country's own political ends. And if you are so adament about being part of Europe and the EU, what in the world are your officials doing trying to get into organizations that are clearly non-European?

Thirdly, if OIC agrees to recognize, even without a UN resolution, what will that say for potential separatist areas in their own backyards? Kurds in Turkey, Syria, Iraq? One deed certainly galvanizes another.

Fourth, that Albania is making such idiotic statements as "[Kosovo] can’t be a part of Serbia because historically it has not been a part of Serbia” reveals the limited thinking of some of these officials who obviously haven't had an updated map in their possession since 1912. But that's a side issue to an ill-informed statement said by Berisha, and not part of what you asked in your comment.

Bottom line is that at this stage of the game, with little more than two months before the December 10 deadline, Pristina has not locked up the support it claims to have, nor does it have, beyond Washington, definitive support from the international community to simply unilaterally declare. That the petitioning of Islamic countries is still going on now, shows, at least to some degree, that those countries once thought were in your backyard, still need coaxing.

Mike,

I personally don't have any sympathy towards any country where the state affairs are based on religion. But some of these countries have a strong voice when it comes to politics and economy (petrol) worldwide. We like every country in Europe got to be aware of the relationships with this countries but their relevance should not be understimated. As there doesn't seem any solution from the Security Council because of the declared Russia veto, it is not a secret to say now that Kosova need support from each individual independent country to secure the recognition for the full independence and sovreignity.
Sometime in your history you have to do a deal with the "devil" to achieve your goal. That is how it is. When it comes to Albania and Kosova, I can tell you will an absolute knowledge is a very tolerant country when it come to religion. I know many Serbs in here will disagree with me because of the incidents that happened in the past years in Kosova which I personally fully condemn. There are also facts that the Serbia orthodox church has exercised political activities in Kosova and not only that they have been the spokeperson of Milosevic regime in the name of the "threat" by Albanians. I do not see any difference between an orthodox, muslum or catholic fundamentalism. To me they represent the same absolute danger.

Albania is lobbying for Kosovo. Why not for Tibet?
Here we see the huge lie of a multi-ethnic Kosovo. They want it to be a second Albania.

What has Albania to do with Kosovo?

On Kosovo, Albania: both are VERY far from entering the EU. In Holland more and more people are getting tired of payint taxes for people breaking their promises (the deal was autonomy).

Well, again, I am doing what I can in Holland to stop the disaster of an indepedent Kosovo!

Please join me. That includes Albanians! You are welcome!

Suprise,suprise..!!

Even turing towards non democratic muslims states... Kosovars make me feel sad.

At least I am doing what I can to stop Kosovo independence.

EA, you better support me and appreciate the time and energy I spend on this issue.
Better then creating turmoil in Balkan, Sudan, Caucasus...

EA, please change your mind. And join me for a European future for a Kosovo in Serbia.

Nationalism is so 19th century :)

It is almost a certainty that the land of Mohammed Ali, the Albanian King and founder of modern Egypt will recognise Kosova as soon as it declares its independence. Recognition en block is not a surprise either.
The West and Islamic world converge quite comfortably towards same goal of an independent Kosova, another compelling and unique feature of how big example Kosova has become.

"Mohammed Ali, the Albanian King and founder of modern Egypt"-best joke I ever heard.

Smile,

Were you serious in your comment that

"albania really is messing with other country's internal affairs here and they need a diplomatic rap on the fingers for this asap"
INTERNAL AFFAIRS of whom? Serbia? Only Serbs supporting Milloshevic will believe you on that. It is good to know though) Well done!

""Mohammed Ali, the Albanian King and founder of modern Egypt"-best joke I ever heard.
(bmrusila, 29. October 2007 21:27) "

@ bmrusila

I guess you don't know much about Albanians, but it's OK. To give you a hint about the importance of Albanians in the World Order, as a start, I will give you a couple of terms to search on internet...hmmm...how about..."Nephilim" (Nefilim -means 'In The Begining' in Albanian)...or "The Watchers"...Kiryat Arba...Arba people...Anak...first indoeuropean language...the secrecy of Albanian flag (that might not be an Eagle after all). This should be enough as a start.

If you still wanna get deeper, I must warn you that what you might find could really shock you. The story follows with Alexander The Great, Pirros, Knight Templars, Scanderbeg, etc, etc...

I'd be more than happy to give you more input, but for now this is all what you should know...no offense. There will be time for everything.

@ Jovan

Even though it looks to you that you are being sarcastic, ironically enough, I must say that you are on the right path. Just keep reading some more and you will understand why Albanians are the last piece of the "Gate".

By the way, let me give you some more joyful facts:

First, one of the Moon astronauts, Mr. Aldridge is of Albanian origin and he sent an Albanian flag to the Moon when he "got there".

Second, Albert Einstein escaped from Nazi Europe after being given an Albanian passport by King Zog with which he fled to the U.S., so he arrived in the Free Land as an Albanian.

“After December 10, Kosovo must declare independence in coordination with the USA and the EU. It can’t be a part of Serbia because historically it has not been a part of Serbia,” Berisha said during the meeting in Cairo on Sunday, media reported.

even if you look at a map of the ottoman empire, kosovo is a part of serbia... i guess he must be talking pre roman times when it was the illyrians running the show down there...

I sugest that vujadin looks at the map at roman times and you will clearly see how big was Serbia, only Belgrade with its surroundings. Go to Rome , Italy and look in the walls at Collesium and you will see it.So Kosova was never part of Serbia.
1912 injustice was done and now is time for justice to prevail.

Serbs; Muhamet Ali pasha was an Albanian.
Just like Albanians are Ilyrians.
The whole World knows that only Serbs such as
Ron
Kate
Ratko
Cvele

who often portrays themselves to be westerners do not know that

johny,

Yes status should be set later WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF 1244. And you know that.

Otherwise 1244 should have stated: it is possible that Kosovo will leave Serbia.

A quote of a politician: Kosovo as part of Serbia was only included in 1244 because otherwise the Serbs would never agree.

There is a word for that: cheating!!

"# "Mohammed Ali, the Albanian King and founder of modern Egypt"-best joke I ever heard.
(bmrusila, 29. October 2007 21:27)"

Please go do some research, its not a joke and its not funny. Its true.

Ron the final result in those documents mentions the will of people, if it didn't rest assured that these negotiations would not even have started and rest pretty sure the Albanian side would never have signed them. You Serbs seem to like to read what you like. Any previous documents are blurry when it comes to the status issue, and they were made blurry on purpose so that both sides could sign them and that so in the future (now) the winners could interpret them as they wanted depending on the situation on the ground. The winner is the West, and they're interpreting those documents like they want. If it wasn't for that blurrines and ambiguity of those documents Kosova/o would be a non-issue today, it would be exactly like it was pre 99 no questions asked.

Smile Kosova/'s status is an international issue so suggesting that it is an internal Serbian matter not only is illogical but also Milosevician because his whole agenda was based on that, even when the whole world was bombing Serbia and that was illogical also. If Kosova/o was an internal Serbian matter the UN, NATO, EU etc etc wouldn't be involved in the issue at all. If it was a Serbian internal matter as Milosevic believed and acted, there would be no Albanians in Kosova/o today hence there wouldn't be an internal Serbian issue with regards to Kosova/o to start with.

This is an article - that all our fellow Albanians should read. By the way I found an article taken from New Yorker where Agim Ceku admits that he has a Serbian wife from Zadar. Yet we hear again and again - that Albanians have nothing in common with fellow Slavs... This is the deluding power of "dreams".
The article is by James Bissett, former Canadian Ambassador to Yugoslavia, Albania and Bulgaria
Here is the link to article:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7212
Title is:
Kosovo and the Westphalian Order

@Illumin_ati,

It is joke, concidering the fact that Mohamed Ali was from parents that the one is Albanian and one Macedonian. Apperantly, father is Albanian. But what is funny with your and other comments is claiming him as true Albanian. The fact is that he is not true Albanian since he has never lived in Albania. He was born and lived in Kavala which belongs to Greece and used to belonged to Macedonia. So, Mohamed can be only either Greek or Macedonian with Albanian roots. That is the fact, other wise makes you chauvinist to claim Mohamed being only Albanian. Oh, don't worry, Serbs do not want to ssume him as Serb, it is the Albanians who assume some Serbian heroes as their own. The other very funny thing which mekes me laugh but also the rest of Europe is claim of being Illyrians. I just wonder when did you make a DNA, was there some advanced DNA or what? I expect results. And please don't give me that pathetics to read about Albanians. I don't need more than I already know, for the beggining enough and do not ittend to waste my time by reading the fake hystory written by K-Albanians, who btw.studied in basements thought by teachers of suspsicious profile,mostly by those who were very active in creation of independence during 70's, 80's and 90's. And we know what kind of civilized methodes they used.

Ahmet,

The only 'injustice' was that it took 500 years to liberate Kosovo from the Ottomans.

Kosovo never part of Serbia?? Why does B92 allow these revisionists to spew their garbage?

Serbia's claim to Kosovo is very well documented. You say you live in Kosovo, right? Do you know all those hundreds of buildings with crosses on their roofs that sit along Kosovo's landscape? They're called Serbian Orthodox Churches. They've been around much longer than you have and some date back to the 12th century. In fact, they were around when your people were Christian. Remember those good ol' days?

It's very amusing that you want me to disregard Serbia's claim to Kosovo that date back to the House of Vojislavljevic in the 10th century but expect me to believe inconclusive evidence that Albanians are descendants of some 'magical' clan that once roamed the Balkan highlands? Come on, man. . .give us all a break! Even the Croatians attempted to develop their own Illyrian movement in the 18th century.

And for heaven's sake. . .choose one and stick with it already!!. . .Illyrian, Ottoman, Albanian. You can't keep shifting to different nationalities in a lame attempt to cement your silly claims on someone else's territory!

To B92 editor and all commentators here,

Someone here here is trying to make a DIVERSION of my real comments in here.

This is just to make you aware. Shame on the person trying that. It doesn't bother me because my views are well known here. I would like B92 to investigate on this if possible.

"Even turing towards non democratic muslims states... Kosovars make me feel sad.

At least I am doing what I can to stop Kosovo independence.

EA, you better support me and appreciate the time and energy I spend on this issue.
Better then creating turmoil in Balkan, Sudan, Caucasus...

EA, please change your mind. And join me for a European future for a Kosovo in Serbia.

Nationalism is so 19th century :)
(EA, 29. October 2007 20:15)

my dear ea, if there was a milosevic cult in this world, and this cult said, we support kosovo's independence, kosovo Albanians, it seems to me, I may be mistaken, would all declare themselves milosevicians, and denounce their parents religion.

"I do not see any difference between an orthodox, muslum or catholic fundamentalism. To me they represent the same absolute danger."

i agree, orthodox, muslum or catholic, danger's about the same. not really present.
muslim though, missing from your list, is really another matter.

Bravo!
I just read Branislav's link to the article Kosovo and the Westphalian Order by Amb. James Bissett.

B92 should consider replacing Mr. Montgomery's pieces in Viewpoint with those written by Amb. Bissett.

"To give you a hint about the importance of Albanians in the World Order, as a start, I will give you a couple of terms to search on internet...hmmm...how about..."Nephilim" (Nefilim -means 'In The Begining' in Albanian)...or "The Watchers"...Kiryat Arba...Arba people...Anak...first indoeuropean language...the secrecy of Albanian flag (that might not be an Eagle after all). This should be enough as a start.

If you still wanna get deeper, I must warn you that what you might find could really shock you. The story follows with Alexander The Great, Pirros, Knight Templars, Scanderbeg, etc, etc...

I'd be more than happy to give you more input, but for now this is all what you should know...no offense. There will be time for everything.
(Illumin_ati, 30. October 2007 04:37)"

you made my day! let me guess, the first men on the moon were Albanians actually!

and America should have been named Albanica, but Amerigo Vespucci was always so drunk all the time, that he signed all the documents with a wrong name!

Einstein was an Albanian!

the Illyrians came from a planet far from our solar system and turned into Albanians just to deceive all those earthlings who are just to stupid to realize it,...but , jesus...we are so blessed to have you, teaching us about the real history of Albanians...

amen.

First, one of the Moon astronauts, Mr. Aldridge is of Albanian origin and he sent an Albanian flag to the Moon when he "got there".

Second, Albert Einstein escaped from Nazi Europe after being given an Albanian passport by King Zog with which he fled to the U.S., so he arrived in the Free Land as an Albanian.
(Illumin_ati)


What an important fact. I am amazed now, really. Einstein srrived in free land with albanian passport, what an amazing information. But you now what is sad, Einstein has never declered himself as an Albanian. I can travle with granted passports from Kenya, but does that make Kenyan. The problem with you albanian guys is that you like to assume some world's famous names for your own and most of them must be at least of albanian origin. It is very sad that you have no enough your own people to be proud of and you must assume them from somwhere else all over the world and make them be albanians. Btw. some link would be useful concerning that albanian flag in the moon. I would really like to see it because I really never heard before for such thing. Some images would be wellcomed to support the story. Thanka in advance

illu-whatever...

but as and Albanian, Einstein must have been a quite stupid person to marry a serbian woman.

by the way ( and far from your conspiracy-theories ) not even the illyrian-albanian connection is authentic.

all you are proud of seems to be a fake illusion.

you should rather be proud on those Albanians who right now at the moment cannot raise their voice, because of the radicals in Kosovo...

they are the real Albanians. not those you like to call hero´s...while trying to present yourself here as moderate, western-oriented europeans... what a joke!

as I said: you made my day!

I read an article that serbian diplomats too were having meetings with the OIC lately about the same issue. I tried to get back to that article, to post it here, but couldn't remember where, nor find it, so you'll have to trust me on this :). I think they're doing all they can, gathering all the support they can. Why shouldn't Albania do the same? The term 'lobbying' is also funny, considering the 'power' that Albania (and Serbia) have over those countries. No western country criticizes the OIC, as long as they get oil from them. I mean, really criticize.

Did I read Islamic conference? Shame on Albania and everyone who asks “terrorist” states for support. Do not misunderstand me I have nothing again religion however the majority of organizations and participants states on this conference have their hands with blood of their own people who are being massacred in daily basis. I will never want to see Kosova or any other nation (including Serbia) in such disarray with wahabbis sects and their groups. Certainly America is not perfect but it is still the best country in the world compared to the rest. Albania should know that Kosovo do not need and shall not ask for support from an Islamo-fascist organization which uses religion juts as a tool to terrorize the world. The mirror image of the islamo-fascism is Russia with Putin as a head of state. What will make the Balkan nations change their mentality and cooperate with each other? Two world wars and much genocide isn’t enough.

FG

Well, well, how interesting...

I was living in Pristina in September 2001, when I've heard a disk-jockey of a K.Albanian radio station saying "For sure Americans will bomb Afghanistan very soon, God bless USA!"... Now, Islamic "brothers" are so important for Kosovars?
Why?
Maybe because the "unimportant" EU countries like Cyprus, Slovakia, Spain, Greece and Romania are opposing Kosovo independence? And USA support is not enough anymore, so we go for the sheiks?

Pristina people, phone your cousins in Tirana and tell them to mind their own business, cause they create more problems with such stupidities instead of helping you out...

Meanwhile, last month when I was still in Kosovo, three 18 years old girls were still expelled from high-schools in the town of Skenderaj/Srbica, in Drenica Valley (center of Kosovo), just because they insisted to wear the Islamic head scarves during classes...

Quite confusing, isn't so?

Best from Bucharest,
George

Ron you have become a nuisance with the Tibet example. An annoying poster who only comes here to post "tibet this and tibet that" on daily basis. EA you have become an annoying poster with the "I told you so" attitude.

even if you look at a map of the ottoman empire, kosovo is a part of serbia... i guess he must be talking pre roman times when it was the illyrians running the show down there...
(vujadin, 30. October 2007 00:18)

this is an unintentional acceptance of a serb saying that Albanians have a map from illyrian time, and they have not updated it.
but they are updateing it now.

Ron

On Kosovo, Albania: both are VERY far from entering the EU. In Holland more and more people are getting tired of payint taxes for people breaking their promises (the deal was autonomy).

we alrady had that since '74. Do you think that I am going to make wars and sufference for you 'deal' autonomy???

Albania is lobbying for Kosovo. Why not for Tibet?
Here we see the huge lie of a multi-ethnic Kosovo. They want it to be a second Albania.

What has Albania to do with Kosovo?

On Kosovo, Albania: both are VERY far from entering the EU. In Holland more and more people are getting tired of payint taxes for people breaking their promises (the deal was autonomy).

Well, again, I am doing what I can in Holland to stop the disaster of an indepedent Kosovo!

Please join me. That includes Albanians! You are welcome!

first, albania really is messing with other country's internal affairs here and they need a diplomatic rap on the fingers for this asap.
second, an albanian or maybe more than one told me here not two days ago that they are in fact all christians, about declaring independence for christmas. if they now tell me they are muslims, i shudder to think what will happen if the dalai lama expresses his support for kosovo albanians :)

Everything help to support Kosova independence. To the Serbian panel what is the understanding of the Serbs regarding the Islamic Conference? Do you think that their economical and financial support to Kosova after the independence would be relevant?)))

Even turing towards non democratic muslims states... Kosovars make me feel sad.

At least I am doing what I can to stop Kosovo independence.

EA, you better support me and appreciate the time and energy I spend on this issue.
Better then creating turmoil in Balkan, Sudan, Caucasus...

EA, please change your mind. And join me for a European future for a Kosovo in Serbia.

Nationalism is so 19th century :)

Ron said"Albania is lobbying for Kosovo. Why not for Tibet?
Here we see the huge lie of a multi-ethnic Kosovo. They want it to be a second Albania.

What has Albania to do with Kosovo? "

Because in Kosova/o there are Albanians while in Tibet there are no Albanians. Because Tibet is a oceans and continents apart from us while Kosova/o is next door.

Also should we consider all the slav states in the Balkans
second Serbia's, since they're slavs? Then if not, why should we consider Kosova/o second- Albania. If yes why have so many second Serbia's and not even one second Albania.I hear Serbs screaming against double standards yet they're the first ones who set the double standards themselves.

The deal was for the status to be set at a later date. That's why we have these negotiations. Don't mix apples with oranges.

It is almost a certainty that the land of Mohammed Ali, the Albanian King and founder of modern Egypt will recognise Kosova as soon as it declares its independence. Recognition en block is not a surprise either.
The West and Islamic world converge quite comfortably towards same goal of an independent Kosova, another compelling and unique feature of how big example Kosova has become.

Smile,

Were you serious in your comment that

"albania really is messing with other country's internal affairs here and they need a diplomatic rap on the fingers for this asap"
INTERNAL AFFAIRS of whom? Serbia? Only Serbs supporting Milloshevic will believe you on that. It is good to know though) Well done!

I sugest that vujadin looks at the map at roman times and you will clearly see how big was Serbia, only Belgrade with its surroundings. Go to Rome , Italy and look in the walls at Collesium and you will see it.So Kosova was never part of Serbia.
1912 injustice was done and now is time for justice to prevail.

Suprise,suprise..!!

Well a couple of things to answer your question EA.

First, I've been hearing for the past few months on this site that in the event of Kosovo's declaration, the United States, Albania, and "most Arab countries" would recognize. If that were the case, why is Pristina now petitioning for their case outside the gates of OIC this late in the game? Shouldn't this have already been a self-evident conclusion? Obviously there's still a good chunk of the world that's playing "fence sitting", waiting to see what happens, if they even care at all.

Secondly, let's say OIC approves and agrees to fund Kosovo after independence. What type of funding are we talking about? The "Saudi" type of funding that includes a Wahabi mosque, complete with radical imam, that must come with everything asked? We've all seen the types of funding that come from the Middle East, and they often have lots of strings attached to further the host country's own political ends. And if you are so adament about being part of Europe and the EU, what in the world are your officials doing trying to get into organizations that are clearly non-European?

Thirdly, if OIC agrees to recognize, even without a UN resolution, what will that say for potential separatist areas in their own backyards? Kurds in Turkey, Syria, Iraq? One deed certainly galvanizes another.

Fourth, that Albania is making such idiotic statements as "[Kosovo] can’t be a part of Serbia because historically it has not been a part of Serbia” reveals the limited thinking of some of these officials who obviously haven't had an updated map in their possession since 1912. But that's a side issue to an ill-informed statement said by Berisha, and not part of what you asked in your comment.

Bottom line is that at this stage of the game, with little more than two months before the December 10 deadline, Pristina has not locked up the support it claims to have, nor does it have, beyond Washington, definitive support from the international community to simply unilaterally declare. That the petitioning of Islamic countries is still going on now, shows, at least to some degree, that those countries once thought were in your backyard, still need coaxing.

To B92 editor and all commentators here,

Someone here here is trying to make a DIVERSION of my real comments in here.

This is just to make you aware. Shame on the person trying that. It doesn't bother me because my views are well known here. I would like B92 to investigate on this if possible.

"Even turing towards non democratic muslims states... Kosovars make me feel sad.

At least I am doing what I can to stop Kosovo independence.

EA, you better support me and appreciate the time and energy I spend on this issue.
Better then creating turmoil in Balkan, Sudan, Caucasus...

EA, please change your mind. And join me for a European future for a Kosovo in Serbia.

Nationalism is so 19th century :)
(EA, 29. October 2007 20:15)

Mike,

I personally don't have any sympathy towards any country where the state affairs are based on religion. But some of these countries have a strong voice when it comes to politics and economy (petrol) worldwide. We like every country in Europe got to be aware of the relationships with this countries but their relevance should not be understimated. As there doesn't seem any solution from the Security Council because of the declared Russia veto, it is not a secret to say now that Kosova need support from each individual independent country to secure the recognition for the full independence and sovreignity.
Sometime in your history you have to do a deal with the "devil" to achieve your goal. That is how it is. When it comes to Albania and Kosova, I can tell you will an absolute knowledge is a very tolerant country when it come to religion. I know many Serbs in here will disagree with me because of the incidents that happened in the past years in Kosova which I personally fully condemn. There are also facts that the Serbia orthodox church has exercised political activities in Kosova and not only that they have been the spokeperson of Milosevic regime in the name of the "threat" by Albanians. I do not see any difference between an orthodox, muslum or catholic fundamentalism. To me they represent the same absolute danger.

"Mohammed Ali, the Albanian King and founder of modern Egypt"-best joke I ever heard.

johny,

Yes status should be set later WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF 1244. And you know that.

Otherwise 1244 should have stated: it is possible that Kosovo will leave Serbia.

A quote of a politician: Kosovo as part of Serbia was only included in 1244 because otherwise the Serbs would never agree.

There is a word for that: cheating!!

“After December 10, Kosovo must declare independence in coordination with the USA and the EU. It can’t be a part of Serbia because historically it has not been a part of Serbia,” Berisha said during the meeting in Cairo on Sunday, media reported.

even if you look at a map of the ottoman empire, kosovo is a part of serbia... i guess he must be talking pre roman times when it was the illyrians running the show down there...

@Illumin_ati,

It is joke, concidering the fact that Mohamed Ali was from parents that the one is Albanian and one Macedonian. Apperantly, father is Albanian. But what is funny with your and other comments is claiming him as true Albanian. The fact is that he is not true Albanian since he has never lived in Albania. He was born and lived in Kavala which belongs to Greece and used to belonged to Macedonia. So, Mohamed can be only either Greek or Macedonian with Albanian roots. That is the fact, other wise makes you chauvinist to claim Mohamed being only Albanian. Oh, don't worry, Serbs do not want to ssume him as Serb, it is the Albanians who assume some Serbian heroes as their own. The other very funny thing which mekes me laugh but also the rest of Europe is claim of being Illyrians. I just wonder when did you make a DNA, was there some advanced DNA or what? I expect results. And please don't give me that pathetics to read about Albanians. I don't need more than I already know, for the beggining enough and do not ittend to waste my time by reading the fake hystory written by K-Albanians, who btw.studied in basements thought by teachers of suspsicious profile,mostly by those who were very active in creation of independence during 70's, 80's and 90's. And we know what kind of civilized methodes they used.

Ahmet,

The only 'injustice' was that it took 500 years to liberate Kosovo from the Ottomans.

Kosovo never part of Serbia?? Why does B92 allow these revisionists to spew their garbage?

Serbia's claim to Kosovo is very well documented. You say you live in Kosovo, right? Do you know all those hundreds of buildings with crosses on their roofs that sit along Kosovo's landscape? They're called Serbian Orthodox Churches. They've been around much longer than you have and some date back to the 12th century. In fact, they were around when your people were Christian. Remember those good ol' days?

It's very amusing that you want me to disregard Serbia's claim to Kosovo that date back to the House of Vojislavljevic in the 10th century but expect me to believe inconclusive evidence that Albanians are descendants of some 'magical' clan that once roamed the Balkan highlands? Come on, man. . .give us all a break! Even the Croatians attempted to develop their own Illyrian movement in the 18th century.

And for heaven's sake. . .choose one and stick with it already!!. . .Illyrian, Ottoman, Albanian. You can't keep shifting to different nationalities in a lame attempt to cement your silly claims on someone else's territory!

"To give you a hint about the importance of Albanians in the World Order, as a start, I will give you a couple of terms to search on internet...hmmm...how about..."Nephilim" (Nefilim -means 'In The Begining' in Albanian)...or "The Watchers"...Kiryat Arba...Arba people...Anak...first indoeuropean language...the secrecy of Albanian flag (that might not be an Eagle after all). This should be enough as a start.

If you still wanna get deeper, I must warn you that what you might find could really shock you. The story follows with Alexander The Great, Pirros, Knight Templars, Scanderbeg, etc, etc...

I'd be more than happy to give you more input, but for now this is all what you should know...no offense. There will be time for everything.
(Illumin_ati, 30. October 2007 04:37)"

you made my day! let me guess, the first men on the moon were Albanians actually!

and America should have been named Albanica, but Amerigo Vespucci was always so drunk all the time, that he signed all the documents with a wrong name!

Einstein was an Albanian!

the Illyrians came from a planet far from our solar system and turned into Albanians just to deceive all those earthlings who are just to stupid to realize it,...but , jesus...we are so blessed to have you, teaching us about the real history of Albanians...

amen.

First, one of the Moon astronauts, Mr. Aldridge is of Albanian origin and he sent an Albanian flag to the Moon when he "got there".

Second, Albert Einstein escaped from Nazi Europe after being given an Albanian passport by King Zog with which he fled to the U.S., so he arrived in the Free Land as an Albanian.
(Illumin_ati)


What an important fact. I am amazed now, really. Einstein srrived in free land with albanian passport, what an amazing information. But you now what is sad, Einstein has never declered himself as an Albanian. I can travle with granted passports from Kenya, but does that make Kenyan. The problem with you albanian guys is that you like to assume some world's famous names for your own and most of them must be at least of albanian origin. It is very sad that you have no enough your own people to be proud of and you must assume them from somwhere else all over the world and make them be albanians. Btw. some link would be useful concerning that albanian flag in the moon. I would really like to see it because I really never heard before for such thing. Some images would be wellcomed to support the story. Thanka in advance

illu-whatever...

but as and Albanian, Einstein must have been a quite stupid person to marry a serbian woman.

by the way ( and far from your conspiracy-theories ) not even the illyrian-albanian connection is authentic.

all you are proud of seems to be a fake illusion.

you should rather be proud on those Albanians who right now at the moment cannot raise their voice, because of the radicals in Kosovo...

they are the real Albanians. not those you like to call hero´s...while trying to present yourself here as moderate, western-oriented europeans... what a joke!

as I said: you made my day!

my dear ea, if there was a milosevic cult in this world, and this cult said, we support kosovo's independence, kosovo Albanians, it seems to me, I may be mistaken, would all declare themselves milosevicians, and denounce their parents religion.

"I do not see any difference between an orthodox, muslum or catholic fundamentalism. To me they represent the same absolute danger."

i agree, orthodox, muslum or catholic, danger's about the same. not really present.
muslim though, missing from your list, is really another matter.

Ron you have become a nuisance with the Tibet example. An annoying poster who only comes here to post "tibet this and tibet that" on daily basis. EA you have become an annoying poster with the "I told you so" attitude.

"# "Mohammed Ali, the Albanian King and founder of modern Egypt"-best joke I ever heard.
(bmrusila, 29. October 2007 21:27)"

Please go do some research, its not a joke and its not funny. Its true.

Ron the final result in those documents mentions the will of people, if it didn't rest assured that these negotiations would not even have started and rest pretty sure the Albanian side would never have signed them. You Serbs seem to like to read what you like. Any previous documents are blurry when it comes to the status issue, and they were made blurry on purpose so that both sides could sign them and that so in the future (now) the winners could interpret them as they wanted depending on the situation on the ground. The winner is the West, and they're interpreting those documents like they want. If it wasn't for that blurrines and ambiguity of those documents Kosova/o would be a non-issue today, it would be exactly like it was pre 99 no questions asked.

Smile Kosova/'s status is an international issue so suggesting that it is an internal Serbian matter not only is illogical but also Milosevician because his whole agenda was based on that, even when the whole world was bombing Serbia and that was illogical also. If Kosova/o was an internal Serbian matter the UN, NATO, EU etc etc wouldn't be involved in the issue at all. If it was a Serbian internal matter as Milosevic believed and acted, there would be no Albanians in Kosova/o today hence there wouldn't be an internal Serbian issue with regards to Kosova/o to start with.

I read an article that serbian diplomats too were having meetings with the OIC lately about the same issue. I tried to get back to that article, to post it here, but couldn't remember where, nor find it, so you'll have to trust me on this :). I think they're doing all they can, gathering all the support they can. Why shouldn't Albania do the same? The term 'lobbying' is also funny, considering the 'power' that Albania (and Serbia) have over those countries. No western country criticizes the OIC, as long as they get oil from them. I mean, really criticize.

""Mohammed Ali, the Albanian King and founder of modern Egypt"-best joke I ever heard.
(bmrusila, 29. October 2007 21:27) "

@ bmrusila

I guess you don't know much about Albanians, but it's OK. To give you a hint about the importance of Albanians in the World Order, as a start, I will give you a couple of terms to search on internet...hmmm...how about..."Nephilim" (Nefilim -means 'In The Begining' in Albanian)...or "The Watchers"...Kiryat Arba...Arba people...Anak...first indoeuropean language...the secrecy of Albanian flag (that might not be an Eagle after all). This should be enough as a start.

If you still wanna get deeper, I must warn you that what you might find could really shock you. The story follows with Alexander The Great, Pirros, Knight Templars, Scanderbeg, etc, etc...

I'd be more than happy to give you more input, but for now this is all what you should know...no offense. There will be time for everything.

This is an article - that all our fellow Albanians should read. By the way I found an article taken from New Yorker where Agim Ceku admits that he has a Serbian wife from Zadar. Yet we hear again and again - that Albanians have nothing in common with fellow Slavs... This is the deluding power of "dreams".
The article is by James Bissett, former Canadian Ambassador to Yugoslavia, Albania and Bulgaria
Here is the link to article:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7212
Title is:
Kosovo and the Westphalian Order

even if you look at a map of the ottoman empire, kosovo is a part of serbia... i guess he must be talking pre roman times when it was the illyrians running the show down there...
(vujadin, 30. October 2007 00:18)

this is an unintentional acceptance of a serb saying that Albanians have a map from illyrian time, and they have not updated it.
but they are updateing it now.

Did I read Islamic conference? Shame on Albania and everyone who asks “terrorist” states for support. Do not misunderstand me I have nothing again religion however the majority of organizations and participants states on this conference have their hands with blood of their own people who are being massacred in daily basis. I will never want to see Kosova or any other nation (including Serbia) in such disarray with wahabbis sects and their groups. Certainly America is not perfect but it is still the best country in the world compared to the rest. Albania should know that Kosovo do not need and shall not ask for support from an Islamo-fascist organization which uses religion juts as a tool to terrorize the world. The mirror image of the islamo-fascism is Russia with Putin as a head of state. What will make the Balkan nations change their mentality and cooperate with each other? Two world wars and much genocide isn’t enough.

FG

Serbs; Muhamet Ali pasha was an Albanian.
Just like Albanians are Ilyrians.
The whole World knows that only Serbs such as
Ron
Kate
Ratko
Cvele

who often portrays themselves to be westerners do not know that

Bravo!
I just read Branislav's link to the article Kosovo and the Westphalian Order by Amb. James Bissett.

B92 should consider replacing Mr. Montgomery's pieces in Viewpoint with those written by Amb. Bissett.

@ Jovan

Even though it looks to you that you are being sarcastic, ironically enough, I must say that you are on the right path. Just keep reading some more and you will understand why Albanians are the last piece of the "Gate".

By the way, let me give you some more joyful facts:

First, one of the Moon astronauts, Mr. Aldridge is of Albanian origin and he sent an Albanian flag to the Moon when he "got there".

Second, Albert Einstein escaped from Nazi Europe after being given an Albanian passport by King Zog with which he fled to the U.S., so he arrived in the Free Land as an Albanian.

Well, well, how interesting...

I was living in Pristina in September 2001, when I've heard a disk-jockey of a K.Albanian radio station saying "For sure Americans will bomb Afghanistan very soon, God bless USA!"... Now, Islamic "brothers" are so important for Kosovars?
Why?
Maybe because the "unimportant" EU countries like Cyprus, Slovakia, Spain, Greece and Romania are opposing Kosovo independence? And USA support is not enough anymore, so we go for the sheiks?

Pristina people, phone your cousins in Tirana and tell them to mind their own business, cause they create more problems with such stupidities instead of helping you out...

Meanwhile, last month when I was still in Kosovo, three 18 years old girls were still expelled from high-schools in the town of Skenderaj/Srbica, in Drenica Valley (center of Kosovo), just because they insisted to wear the Islamic head scarves during classes...

Quite confusing, isn't so?

Best from Bucharest,
George

Ron

On Kosovo, Albania: both are VERY far from entering the EU. In Holland more and more people are getting tired of payint taxes for people breaking their promises (the deal was autonomy).

we alrady had that since '74. Do you think that I am going to make wars and sufference for you 'deal' autonomy???