147 Bosnian war victims laid to rest

«Some of those killed had been tortured or starved to death in detention camps. »

They were starved to death. It Is hard to believe that such concentration camps could be established 50 years after WW2 and atrocities comparable to those perpetrated then could be repeated? Who could believe that a civilized nation such as Serbia could repeat so many crimes against a people «only because they were not Serbs», as Harisa and so many Muslims say.

It is true that such atrocities cannot be forgotten nor forgiven; that such crimes shocked the world and «tarnished the soul of a nation» as so well said Pavle, patriarch of the Orthodox church. He is so right but he never beg pardon to the Muslims for the widespread activities perpetrated by the Serbs with the blessing of some members of his Church. It also shocking that so many ordinary Serbs don’t express remorse and awe for what their people did indistinctly to women, children and men… in their name!

This is a dark spell for Serbia…. That could last generations.

I agree completely with this post and I would like to read what Serbs on this board think of it.

For once I agree with you Victor, it is generational. However, unlike you, I don’t continually beat the same old drum and perpetuate hatred with my words.
Most of my mother’s family was burned alive in a Serbian Orthodox church that was torched by the Ustache in a village in Kraijana during WWII. My grandmother was the only family member who survived who came to America.
This grandmother, unlike you Victor, never ranted and did not generalize that ALL Croatians were bad or that their souls were condemned for generations. Through her tears, she talked of a better life for her children and forgiveness and prayed for peace for everyone. I have no idea if I have any surviving relatives and certainly, after Operation Storm, I doubt that there is anything for them left to return to in the Kraijana. What the Ustache could not do in WWII, Tudjman and his cronies, with Clinton’s help, finished in the 90s.
There is no denying that atrocities occurred in the Balkans during the 90’s by all ethnic groups and how very sad that not one generation in that region has ever know peace. Every life is precious and every individual who committed a crime, regardless of their ethnicity, should answer for their chosen behavior.
I am not arrogant enough to claim to know what the solutions are for the people of the Balkans, enabling them move forward to heal and forgive and live prosperous and productive lives. I do know that it is NOT to preach constant condemnation and collective guilt of one ethnic group as you do time and again.

«..did not generalize that ALL Croatians were bad or that their souls were condemned for generations.»

It is Patriarch Pavle who said that «the sould of Serbia and all Serbs have been tarnished for generations.»

I think that the Serbs, during the war in Bosnia, behaved just as the Ustase during WW2.

Ida,

You don't not help the cause of the Serbian nation with this habit of yours to rationalize what the ICTY has called a 'criminal enterprise' to commit a genocide on the Muslims through ethnic cleansing, murder, extermination. And starvation in the concentration camps was among the tools used to annihilate a nation. As for autopsies, those who died from starvation were dumped into mass graves or disposed by all means.

Extermination was done on a large scale, especially in the beginning of the war, according to the Tokaca's report, and you know this just as much as most of the Serbs in Serbia or in the diaspora.

this post is silly.

If every ethnic group held a collective guilt then everyone
on the planet would be responsible for something ...

From the German holocaust, to American slavery, to civil war after civil war in Africa. Or how about
Canada's treatment of its indigenous and Inuit peoples
to a level worse than the third world?

Only those reponsible should be punished.

Unless you cease with the extremist views and comments,
your posts will not be taken very seriously.

These are soldiers who died in the fighting. There is no autopsy evidence showing starvation of Muslims.

Most all the dead Muslims here were men who were part of the Bosnian Muslim forces.

Victor, you can't name any child or woman and give any autopsy report. They don't even list the names here, but I'll bet they are virtually all men. (There were a small number of women soldiers and those working as military personnel.)

«..did not generalize that ALL Croatians were bad or that their souls were condemned for generations.»

It is Patriarch Pavle who said that «the sould of Serbia and all Serbs have been tarnished for generations.»

I think that the Serbs, during the war in Bosnia, behaved just as the Ustase during WW2.

«Some of those killed had been tortured or starved to death in detention camps. »

They were starved to death. It Is hard to believe that such concentration camps could be established 50 years after WW2 and atrocities comparable to those perpetrated then could be repeated? Who could believe that a civilized nation such as Serbia could repeat so many crimes against a people «only because they were not Serbs», as Harisa and so many Muslims say.

It is true that such atrocities cannot be forgotten nor forgiven; that such crimes shocked the world and «tarnished the soul of a nation» as so well said Pavle, patriarch of the Orthodox church. He is so right but he never beg pardon to the Muslims for the widespread activities perpetrated by the Serbs with the blessing of some members of his Church. It also shocking that so many ordinary Serbs don’t express remorse and awe for what their people did indistinctly to women, children and men… in their name!

This is a dark spell for Serbia…. That could last generations.

I agree completely with this post and I would like to read what Serbs on this board think of it.

For once I agree with you Victor, it is generational. However, unlike you, I don’t continually beat the same old drum and perpetuate hatred with my words.
Most of my mother’s family was burned alive in a Serbian Orthodox church that was torched by the Ustache in a village in Kraijana during WWII. My grandmother was the only family member who survived who came to America.
This grandmother, unlike you Victor, never ranted and did not generalize that ALL Croatians were bad or that their souls were condemned for generations. Through her tears, she talked of a better life for her children and forgiveness and prayed for peace for everyone. I have no idea if I have any surviving relatives and certainly, after Operation Storm, I doubt that there is anything for them left to return to in the Kraijana. What the Ustache could not do in WWII, Tudjman and his cronies, with Clinton’s help, finished in the 90s.
There is no denying that atrocities occurred in the Balkans during the 90’s by all ethnic groups and how very sad that not one generation in that region has ever know peace. Every life is precious and every individual who committed a crime, regardless of their ethnicity, should answer for their chosen behavior.
I am not arrogant enough to claim to know what the solutions are for the people of the Balkans, enabling them move forward to heal and forgive and live prosperous and productive lives. I do know that it is NOT to preach constant condemnation and collective guilt of one ethnic group as you do time and again.

this post is silly.

If every ethnic group held a collective guilt then everyone
on the planet would be responsible for something ...

From the German holocaust, to American slavery, to civil war after civil war in Africa. Or how about
Canada's treatment of its indigenous and Inuit peoples
to a level worse than the third world?

Only those reponsible should be punished.

Unless you cease with the extremist views and comments,
your posts will not be taken very seriously.

These are soldiers who died in the fighting. There is no autopsy evidence showing starvation of Muslims.

Most all the dead Muslims here were men who were part of the Bosnian Muslim forces.

Victor, you can't name any child or woman and give any autopsy report. They don't even list the names here, but I'll bet they are virtually all men. (There were a small number of women soldiers and those working as military personnel.)

Ida,

You don't not help the cause of the Serbian nation with this habit of yours to rationalize what the ICTY has called a 'criminal enterprise' to commit a genocide on the Muslims through ethnic cleansing, murder, extermination. And starvation in the concentration camps was among the tools used to annihilate a nation. As for autopsies, those who died from starvation were dumped into mass graves or disposed by all means.

Extermination was done on a large scale, especially in the beginning of the war, according to the Tokaca's report, and you know this just as much as most of the Serbs in Serbia or in the diaspora.