Greece opposes unilateral Kosovo decisions

it´s not because Greece and Serbia has traditionally a good relationship that I appreciate those greek statements.
they are based on a quite reasonable standpoint. that´s the reason.

it´s good to see a EU-memeber-state showing commitment to democratic values instead of jungle-law.

efharisto ellada! =)

I wonder how when 98% of Greeks did not support the bombing the government can support the Eu stance on indpendence- is that really an act of democracy from the country that created it?

Thanx Greece for not supporting the unilateral wish of Serbia to keep Kosovo occupied.
Klaudian.

The Greeks should speak up louder for what they believe to be in the interest of the Balkans as a whole and not let the northern Europeans dictate EU policy regarding the Balkans.

It's funny to hear some countries still parade the solution acceptible to both sides, when it's clear that there is no such solution. Why don't they just come down on one side? If they agree with Serbia say so. It's either independence (Albanians' side), or autonomy (Serbs' side).

"Bakoyanni pointed out that Greece was against a unilateral solution for Kosovo "
wow , we Albanians never expecte3d something like this from greece ,come on give me a brake .WHo is asking greece ,we are not even intersted in greece opinions anyway.

This continues to prove that the EU and NATO is NOT unified on its illegal push for the independence for Kosovo.

This is more striking because these are the people who have to live in the region with both peoples.

The western powers, to include my own nation America, need to stop getting involved in low - level conflicts that are in no way have an effect on our national security or national security strategy.

"Serbia's leaders need to get beyond denial. They need to stop telling the Serbian people that it will not happen. They need to tell the Serbian people the truth, which is that Milosevic lost Kosovo when he went to war with NATO and committed atrocities against the Kosovars. I will tell the truth if the Serbian leaders cannot, and that truth is that Serbia will not rule in Kosovo any more than Hungary will rule in the Vojvodina. It's gone. It's over," Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Daniel Fried said in a meeting with Serb reporters last week.
"And forgive me for my bluntness, but when I read the newspapers, when I read what is written in Belgrade, I think, my God, will no one tell the truth? Is everyone afraid or calculating or cynical? So I will do so. At least," he said.


To: Princip, cvele, kate and your chorus - What part of the above statement you don’t get it?

Link to article
http://www.upi.com/Security_Terrorism/Briefing/2007/06/19/us_serbs_should_accept_separate_kosovo/4240/

Greeks have been opposing many things lately. As far as I remember they opposed US and all countries that recognized Macedonia, but US recognized it anyway. The same will happen with Kosova.

It is good to hear that democratic Greece while looking after national interests, respects principles and values international law.
Greece understands that adherence to Serbia's constitution will maintain stability.
As an important Balkan neighbour, democratic Greece's knowledge of the region puts her in best position with other EU members.
The only possibility for Kosovo and Metohija to be muti-ethnic is to remain a province of Serbia, with autonomy for the ethnic Albanians.

Here's how the Greek police tortures and humiliates Albanian detainees in their prisons.

http://www.youtube.com/v/gCc7xc8hxDQ

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070619/ap_on_re_eu/greece_police_beating_1

Thus the EU will not act Illegally with regards Illegal unilateral declarations.

Accept the state you are in and make the best possible future for all in Serbia.

Ahtisaari 'Lite +'
- Zero % Partition
- 100 % Serbian State
- EU guarantor of human rights for all in the Serbian province.

Even the ICG who would want to carve up Serbia know the reality. Read the article: EU Ponders Kosovo Mission Without UN Mandate By Gjeraqina Tuhina. A snippet;
http://www.birn.eu.com/en/88/10/3349/
"However, as Sabine Freizier, in charge of Balkans affairs within the ICG, said: “This option is also almost impossible”

“The EU is unlikely to agree on a common recognition of Kosovo” – seen as a precondition for a mission - without a UN green light.

Freizier said the most likely options were either the deployment of a mission based on the existing UN Resolution 1244 on Kosovo, or deployment based on a new “minimal” resolution, which is not vetoed by Russia – and presumably does not address the status question.
"

Expect the news to trickle down from Ceku & Sediju that you must face the reality that there is and never will be the dismberment of a UN member state. Under the EU plan that is being forged as a compromise their will be a clear obligation to all aspects of 1244 - but within a tuougher EU framework facilitating returns and reconciliation.

Hvala puno Srbijo!!!

Dear Toronto 1 we are very sorry that we disagreed on powerful alliance's bombing against "dangerous for humanity" Serbia back in 1999. I know that YA commited atrocities in Kosovo against K/A but we must not forget and underestimate the atrocities that UCK comited against K/S. And I'm really wondering where was "the protector" of the world in 1974 when the Turkish army invaded in northern Cyprus and devastated humans and properties ...
Dear U,S, the almost 1.000.000 e/A immigrants in Greece should ask Greece from time to time ... Of course these people helped to the develpment of the economy but also Greeks helped them to improve their lifes. Anyway I believe that Greece deserve more respect from e/A in the same way that the great majority of Greeks accepts and respects e/A.

Greece participated in bombing of Serbia.

Greece opposes unilateral Kosovo decisions!?
Greece is EU member as well. The EU accepts Independence as the only natural solution for the future status of Kosovo. Now I am pretty confused. Would someone, please explain what’s going on here?

Laki NY
SIMPLE
It means when EU says they would like Serbia to give Kosovo independence. They forget to mention that EU for them means only Britain, Germany, and France pushing the issue on/and speaking for the rest. I'm fairly certain that's it. When the resolution fails you will see your support vanish in a PUFF OF LOGIC.

They stole purses, Emer. It's not nice to move to someone else's country and commit crimes. Wonder what their treatment would have been like in a Tirana police station?

Dear Laki Bani,
You should know that "unilateral" dcisions in the past have pushed the things to the point they are today. After all we must ask ourselves what is the purpose of the existence of UN. Any unilateral decision on Kosovo FS matter will cause general combustion and will destabilize the whole region. On the other hand when the matter will be solved through UNSC with the support of the whole International Community even Serbia will be obligated to accept the UNSC resolution. That is the reason why the negotiations have to be prolonged for a little more time. The Kosovo Government knows that, and I'm sure that they prefer a stable, unanimous and durable solution via UNSC. I repeat that we saw in the past the consequences of unilateral decisions. And finally we must not forget that after some years when all the countries in the reigion will be members of EU (because this is what is going to happen) today's discussions will be heard as a joke. I mean when this happen borders will exist only typically and the situation will be like it was during Yugoslavia time according to immigration, transportation of people and goods and working matters.

Hi, my Namesake LuckyBanny. First of all, I am very happy for choosing my epithet. This is a purse to me, considering that there is one another signed on as laki as well. This shows that my imagination works out.
Although your code name is spelled in English I must admit that your comment isn’t quite understandable as far as the subject is concerned. In other words; you should develop the concept in an appropriate manner, in order to enable the others to know what have you intended to say. What is the worst, you have called over commentator who had come out with filmed evidence.
BNO, thanks a lot for a large-scale explanation.

Greece's opposition is no surprise. They have their own Albanian "problem" they have to deal with in Chameria. Their own human rights record does not make them a reliable "democratic" state.

Anyways, the Greek "position" is really not a position as it tends to move in whichever direction the wind blows. Greece does not have any credibility when it comes to making decisions. Their statement is not important - they're just riding the Russian train at the moment. Mark my words, when Kosova becomes independent, Greece will be one of the first countries to recognize it. It will do so by making the same argument it is making now: for the sake of the region's stability. How can one blame these bright Greek diplomats? :)

Dear friend Tirons,
This Chamuria "problem" is an artificial one created by some radical circles in Albania (do you know that some radicals have established the Liberation Army of Chamuria? Ridiculus someone has to tell them that we are living in 2007). Anyway the only minority in Greece recognised by all IC organisations including UN is the RELIGIOUS Muslim minority in Thrace and they enjoy full democratic rights (not like the ETHNIC Greek minority in Southern Albania...) Anyway I believe that Greece and Albania have nothing to separate and the cooperation between them should improve for shake of the "famous" stability in the region. You can see my previous comment about e/A immigrants. Finally I fully agree with you that Greek diplomacy had been hibernated for some time but slowly but steadily you will see the difference in near future. And don't forget that Greece is the no 1 factor of stabilization in the region. Best regards.

LuckyBunny: "They stole purses, Emer."
LuckyBunny, in a democratic country, there are laws and judges that hand out sentences, you don't just beat up a guy, torture, humiliate or cut their hand off at the police station. Your reply just shows how much you understand a democratic system; you have pretty much the same mentality of that police chief of central Athens station, who was surprised that he should feel remorse for beating up those guys.


BNO,
The Liberation Army of Chamuria, is actually two guys with a video camera, that could've been more successful if they had sent their tape to Comedy Central. There is not such an army, and no one is preparing an insurrection in Chameria. However the Chameria problem is not artificial, there are nearly 200 thousand Chams today, that were expelled by force from Greece at the end of WWII. These are historical facts, and there are historical documents that testify to this. They should have the right to return to their homes and land, I don't know how you can claim the right for Serbs to return to Kosova and deny the same right to Chams. At the very least they should get compensation for their properties. Greece maintains that they were collaborators; in that case you punish those that did collaborate, not the whole civilian population. And there are still more orthodox Chams in Greece than Greeks would ever admit to. I was surprised at how many people I've met in Parga, Preveza, Arta and Ioanina, that spoke the Cham dialect fluently.
But I agree with you, that Greece and Albania have nothing to separate, and should continue to improve the friendly relations, and although there are incidents with immigrants every now and then, the majority of the immigrants and the Greek population have established a human relationship and friendships between them, and overall respect each-other.

Dear Elmer

I still believe that "Chamuria" problem does not really exist and the whole matter was solved after the end of WWII. But if there are these documents that you claim I strongly recomend to go to present your case in international Courts. I am sure that Greece will accept any decision by international Courts. But I say again that we have to look to the future and not to the past. The main reason that we had to study history is to stop repeating the mistakes of the past. In the way you think Greece should demand from Turkey the return of the Greek minority in Asia Minor and Eujeinous Pontus (Black Sea) (almost 1.000.000 people were forced to leave back in 1922 after the devastation of Smyrna) and in Constantinopole (currently Istanbul) (200.000 peoole were expelled in 1955)... And also should demand from FYROM the return of almost 50.000 people that they were expelled after the end of WWII... You can see that these "hopes" and "aspirations" are false and they could create only problems and could open the Pandora's box...

it´s not because Greece and Serbia has traditionally a good relationship that I appreciate those greek statements.
they are based on a quite reasonable standpoint. that´s the reason.

it´s good to see a EU-memeber-state showing commitment to democratic values instead of jungle-law.

efharisto ellada! =)

I wonder how when 98% of Greeks did not support the bombing the government can support the Eu stance on indpendence- is that really an act of democracy from the country that created it?

Thanx Greece for not supporting the unilateral wish of Serbia to keep Kosovo occupied.
Klaudian.

The Greeks should speak up louder for what they believe to be in the interest of the Balkans as a whole and not let the northern Europeans dictate EU policy regarding the Balkans.

It's funny to hear some countries still parade the solution acceptible to both sides, when it's clear that there is no such solution. Why don't they just come down on one side? If they agree with Serbia say so. It's either independence (Albanians' side), or autonomy (Serbs' side).

"Bakoyanni pointed out that Greece was against a unilateral solution for Kosovo "
wow , we Albanians never expecte3d something like this from greece ,come on give me a brake .WHo is asking greece ,we are not even intersted in greece opinions anyway.

This continues to prove that the EU and NATO is NOT unified on its illegal push for the independence for Kosovo.

This is more striking because these are the people who have to live in the region with both peoples.

The western powers, to include my own nation America, need to stop getting involved in low - level conflicts that are in no way have an effect on our national security or national security strategy.

"Serbia's leaders need to get beyond denial. They need to stop telling the Serbian people that it will not happen. They need to tell the Serbian people the truth, which is that Milosevic lost Kosovo when he went to war with NATO and committed atrocities against the Kosovars. I will tell the truth if the Serbian leaders cannot, and that truth is that Serbia will not rule in Kosovo any more than Hungary will rule in the Vojvodina. It's gone. It's over," Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Daniel Fried said in a meeting with Serb reporters last week.
"And forgive me for my bluntness, but when I read the newspapers, when I read what is written in Belgrade, I think, my God, will no one tell the truth? Is everyone afraid or calculating or cynical? So I will do so. At least," he said.


To: Princip, cvele, kate and your chorus - What part of the above statement you don’t get it?

Link to article
http://www.upi.com/Security_Terrorism/Briefing/2007/06/19/us_serbs_should_accept_separate_kosovo/4240/

Greeks have been opposing many things lately. As far as I remember they opposed US and all countries that recognized Macedonia, but US recognized it anyway. The same will happen with Kosova.

It is good to hear that democratic Greece while looking after national interests, respects principles and values international law.
Greece understands that adherence to Serbia's constitution will maintain stability.
As an important Balkan neighbour, democratic Greece's knowledge of the region puts her in best position with other EU members.
The only possibility for Kosovo and Metohija to be muti-ethnic is to remain a province of Serbia, with autonomy for the ethnic Albanians.

Here's how the Greek police tortures and humiliates Albanian detainees in their prisons.

http://www.youtube.com/v/gCc7xc8hxDQ

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070619/ap_on_re_eu/greece_police_beating_1

Thus the EU will not act Illegally with regards Illegal unilateral declarations.

Accept the state you are in and make the best possible future for all in Serbia.

Ahtisaari 'Lite +'
- Zero % Partition
- 100 % Serbian State
- EU guarantor of human rights for all in the Serbian province.

Even the ICG who would want to carve up Serbia know the reality. Read the article: EU Ponders Kosovo Mission Without UN Mandate By Gjeraqina Tuhina. A snippet;
http://www.birn.eu.com/en/88/10/3349/
"However, as Sabine Freizier, in charge of Balkans affairs within the ICG, said: “This option is also almost impossible”

“The EU is unlikely to agree on a common recognition of Kosovo” – seen as a precondition for a mission - without a UN green light.

Freizier said the most likely options were either the deployment of a mission based on the existing UN Resolution 1244 on Kosovo, or deployment based on a new “minimal” resolution, which is not vetoed by Russia – and presumably does not address the status question.
"

Expect the news to trickle down from Ceku & Sediju that you must face the reality that there is and never will be the dismberment of a UN member state. Under the EU plan that is being forged as a compromise their will be a clear obligation to all aspects of 1244 - but within a tuougher EU framework facilitating returns and reconciliation.

Hvala puno Srbijo!!!

Dear Toronto 1 we are very sorry that we disagreed on powerful alliance's bombing against "dangerous for humanity" Serbia back in 1999. I know that YA commited atrocities in Kosovo against K/A but we must not forget and underestimate the atrocities that UCK comited against K/S. And I'm really wondering where was "the protector" of the world in 1974 when the Turkish army invaded in northern Cyprus and devastated humans and properties ...
Dear U,S, the almost 1.000.000 e/A immigrants in Greece should ask Greece from time to time ... Of course these people helped to the develpment of the economy but also Greeks helped them to improve their lifes. Anyway I believe that Greece deserve more respect from e/A in the same way that the great majority of Greeks accepts and respects e/A.

Greece participated in bombing of Serbia.

Greece opposes unilateral Kosovo decisions!?
Greece is EU member as well. The EU accepts Independence as the only natural solution for the future status of Kosovo. Now I am pretty confused. Would someone, please explain what’s going on here?

Laki NY
SIMPLE
It means when EU says they would like Serbia to give Kosovo independence. They forget to mention that EU for them means only Britain, Germany, and France pushing the issue on/and speaking for the rest. I'm fairly certain that's it. When the resolution fails you will see your support vanish in a PUFF OF LOGIC.

They stole purses, Emer. It's not nice to move to someone else's country and commit crimes. Wonder what their treatment would have been like in a Tirana police station?

Dear Laki Bani,
You should know that "unilateral" dcisions in the past have pushed the things to the point they are today. After all we must ask ourselves what is the purpose of the existence of UN. Any unilateral decision on Kosovo FS matter will cause general combustion and will destabilize the whole region. On the other hand when the matter will be solved through UNSC with the support of the whole International Community even Serbia will be obligated to accept the UNSC resolution. That is the reason why the negotiations have to be prolonged for a little more time. The Kosovo Government knows that, and I'm sure that they prefer a stable, unanimous and durable solution via UNSC. I repeat that we saw in the past the consequences of unilateral decisions. And finally we must not forget that after some years when all the countries in the reigion will be members of EU (because this is what is going to happen) today's discussions will be heard as a joke. I mean when this happen borders will exist only typically and the situation will be like it was during Yugoslavia time according to immigration, transportation of people and goods and working matters.

Hi, my Namesake LuckyBanny. First of all, I am very happy for choosing my epithet. This is a purse to me, considering that there is one another signed on as laki as well. This shows that my imagination works out.
Although your code name is spelled in English I must admit that your comment isn’t quite understandable as far as the subject is concerned. In other words; you should develop the concept in an appropriate manner, in order to enable the others to know what have you intended to say. What is the worst, you have called over commentator who had come out with filmed evidence.
BNO, thanks a lot for a large-scale explanation.

Greece's opposition is no surprise. They have their own Albanian "problem" they have to deal with in Chameria. Their own human rights record does not make them a reliable "democratic" state.

Anyways, the Greek "position" is really not a position as it tends to move in whichever direction the wind blows. Greece does not have any credibility when it comes to making decisions. Their statement is not important - they're just riding the Russian train at the moment. Mark my words, when Kosova becomes independent, Greece will be one of the first countries to recognize it. It will do so by making the same argument it is making now: for the sake of the region's stability. How can one blame these bright Greek diplomats? :)

Dear friend Tirons,
This Chamuria "problem" is an artificial one created by some radical circles in Albania (do you know that some radicals have established the Liberation Army of Chamuria? Ridiculus someone has to tell them that we are living in 2007). Anyway the only minority in Greece recognised by all IC organisations including UN is the RELIGIOUS Muslim minority in Thrace and they enjoy full democratic rights (not like the ETHNIC Greek minority in Southern Albania...) Anyway I believe that Greece and Albania have nothing to separate and the cooperation between them should improve for shake of the "famous" stability in the region. You can see my previous comment about e/A immigrants. Finally I fully agree with you that Greek diplomacy had been hibernated for some time but slowly but steadily you will see the difference in near future. And don't forget that Greece is the no 1 factor of stabilization in the region. Best regards.

LuckyBunny: "They stole purses, Emer."
LuckyBunny, in a democratic country, there are laws and judges that hand out sentences, you don't just beat up a guy, torture, humiliate or cut their hand off at the police station. Your reply just shows how much you understand a democratic system; you have pretty much the same mentality of that police chief of central Athens station, who was surprised that he should feel remorse for beating up those guys.


BNO,
The Liberation Army of Chamuria, is actually two guys with a video camera, that could've been more successful if they had sent their tape to Comedy Central. There is not such an army, and no one is preparing an insurrection in Chameria. However the Chameria problem is not artificial, there are nearly 200 thousand Chams today, that were expelled by force from Greece at the end of WWII. These are historical facts, and there are historical documents that testify to this. They should have the right to return to their homes and land, I don't know how you can claim the right for Serbs to return to Kosova and deny the same right to Chams. At the very least they should get compensation for their properties. Greece maintains that they were collaborators; in that case you punish those that did collaborate, not the whole civilian population. And there are still more orthodox Chams in Greece than Greeks would ever admit to. I was surprised at how many people I've met in Parga, Preveza, Arta and Ioanina, that spoke the Cham dialect fluently.
But I agree with you, that Greece and Albania have nothing to separate, and should continue to improve the friendly relations, and although there are incidents with immigrants every now and then, the majority of the immigrants and the Greek population have established a human relationship and friendships between them, and overall respect each-other.

Dear Elmer

I still believe that "Chamuria" problem does not really exist and the whole matter was solved after the end of WWII. But if there are these documents that you claim I strongly recomend to go to present your case in international Courts. I am sure that Greece will accept any decision by international Courts. But I say again that we have to look to the future and not to the past. The main reason that we had to study history is to stop repeating the mistakes of the past. In the way you think Greece should demand from Turkey the return of the Greek minority in Asia Minor and Eujeinous Pontus (Black Sea) (almost 1.000.000 people were forced to leave back in 1922 after the devastation of Smyrna) and in Constantinopole (currently Istanbul) (200.000 peoole were expelled in 1955)... And also should demand from FYROM the return of almost 50.000 people that they were expelled after the end of WWII... You can see that these "hopes" and "aspirations" are false and they could create only problems and could open the Pandora's box...