EU expects conflict with Russia over Kosovo

Why talk anymore of independence? We need to talk about reconciliation and bringing Kosovo back into the family. To think that the Russians will allow Serbia to be broken up like the winning powers did after each world war is ridiculous. This time, Europe will not dictate borders. We must now start the reconciliation process.

Of course you will have conflicts because Europe wants to appease everyone but i don't think it will happen. The Albanians will not be happy (not full independence) and Serbia to release control of Kosovo. If there is no further talks then it will be put to a vote in the Security council and Russia or China will veto and back to square one. EU will get mad at Russia and Russia will stop the Gas and oil flow. EU goes into a panic. Just because you have a large block of Europe and alot money does not mean you cannot be put in check.

Don't even talk about EU versus Russia. There is no consensus among all EU members regarding Kosovo to begin with. EU versus Russia? More like EU vs EU.

This would be a waste of time. Russia has to understand that the Serbs have lost their rigt to rule on a majority. However, I do not dream; I know exactly how the Russians think, having in mind what they do in Chechenya!

lowe is correct. this article talks of the EU like a coherent bloc. it is far from it. there are 5 or 6 countries strongly opposed and 3 or 4 countries fairly concerned. finally whatever is proposed will be watered down in the SC... just liek 1244 was watered down (it's first draft was awful).

western and albanian terror in 1999 on serbia got a real russin, tsar vladi, into kremlin.

he stopped albanian and western terror on macedonia.

he knows whats to do!

Why should there be any conflicts if everyone sticks to the principles of International Law and UN Charter?I think that more and more Europe deals with this issue, the stronger voice will be not to have new changes of borders in region, because that could lead to domino effect. I think that at the end of the day, when everybody clearly thinks about the fact that 99, intervention was justified because of humanitarian and not independent-state building, it will remain only to Albanian political elites to explain to their people that EU integration is about integrating , not separating.

[ “the EU is frustrated”, as no one expected such a reaction from Russia ]

they did not expect such a reaction. aha. okay. seems like there are some EU-official suffering from a weird kind of autism.

iowe is right, we have seen the unharmonious relationship in EU during the EU constitution voting which ultimately failed.

It was made known today to the press as well as AP, that Ahtisaari's proposal will be one of limited independence. That means that while under EU supervision in terms of meeting certain benchmarks to full independence, Serbia's sovreignty in the land will be completely over, both de facto and de jure. So trust me when I say that Albanians, myself included, will be VERY VERY VERY happy with the proposal. It is not the EU towards whom we feel antagonism, it is Serbia. It is Serbia that we want to see forever out of Kosovo, and we don't mind EU supervision. Independence is independence, and unlike the muslims in Bosnia, we got the 95% majority in Kosovo, to virtually make it an Albanian state, like it was before the occupation. So I would be worried if I was you folks, for pretty soon you will have to face a very very unpleasant reality. It will hit you very hard smack in the face, so gear up and do not continue day dreaming.

here's fresh one for you which just happened yesterday.
Vicar Bishop Teodosije of Lipljan and members of the Council of Europe's Committee for renewal of churches in Kosovo and Metohija visited the newly restored church of St. Nicholas in Pristina today after the Committee was informed that a part of the lead roof was missing above the apsid and the side cupola. According to information obtained by the Committee, the thieves fled the scene yesterday when they were caught in the act by a Kosovo Police Service patrol arriving in front of the church after a neighbor called them.

I do not understand why the Serbian people should hope that someone (Putin or China) forces Serbia to live together with the K-Albanians in the same country knowing that Serbia, in that way, will become another Albanian state in the next decades.

Raso your extreme thoughts you should share with people like you.

Eric talks of reconciliation. Ever occured to you that may be a little too late?

Mark my words well: independence will be coming this year, though, I would suspect, no one, including Albanians, is under any illusions that this would be an easy process. But, nevertheless, it will come. Its the least bad outcome of all, in the eyes of many global players. There's no sympathy politics here...independence is better than reintegration of Kosovo into Serbia. The former means the int'l community can manage the regional instability from an angry Serbia (as Serbs are now comparatively much weaker than they used to be); the latter(reintegration) lead to war. No one wants the latter.

You can burst emotionally here and say its impossible, but I always think informed opinions should be based on a bit of more hard facts. Kosovo has been de facto independent for 7 years now; facts on the ground matter.

At the end of the day...Serbia itself will benefit from this. Hard to see for now; but maybe their grandchildren, hopefully uninfected with a chauvensitic syndrome, will enjoy the fruits of a stable Balkans, of which an independent Kosovo, whether you like it or not, is key!

These are all possible scenarios...if = what...

1. Ahtisari brings his proposal, UN Security Council approves it, and Kosova becomes independent.
2. Ahtisari bring his proposal, UN SC does not approve it (because of Russian veto), US and UK grants the Russian Federation entrance in WTO, Russia retracts its veto, and Kosova becomes independent.
3. Ahtisari brings his proposal, UN SC does not approve it (because of Russian veto again, as US and UK do not grant them entrance in the WTO, or the Russians wants more than that), then, Kosovas Parliament unilaterally proclaims independence, UK, US, Germany, France, Belgium, Switzerland, Pakistan, Sweden, Norway etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. recognizes the independence to Kosova – and INDPENDENT KOSOVA becomes reality, whether UN SC approves the resolution or not.

It made me laugh reading that Russia will risk alienating EU over Kosova. Cutting the gas to EU, it'll mean that Russia will be cutting its own sources of revenue. Where are they going to be selling their gas to? Iran? Afghanistan? You can't deal with EU by threatening it, EU is not Georgia. Russia has no say over Kosova, because it hasn't and it doesn't pay anything. Spending money gives you the right to make decisions! Do you think that after paying billions for so many years, the west will just simply allow Russia to make decisions on Kosova? But then, Russia doesn't even have a project on Kosova, it simply wants to disrupt west's constructive work. And yet as a member of the Contact Group, Russia agreed that the status quo is not desirable and it agreed too on the set of principles that form Ahtisaari's proposal. It has been a party on the process so far, nothing has been done without Russia's approval, and now all of a sudden Putin wants to flex his muscles? For what? To feed Serbia's imperial dreams? Serbia wants to dominate and rule over a people that are determined to free themselves from her yoke. That is the situation that Putin wants to preserve, a situation that has brought conflict in the past, and definitively will bring more conflict in the future. And the west is supposed to keep spending even more billions to contain and prevent and clean up the effects of such an irresponsible policy?

Kosova will gain its long deserved independence and will eventually join the EU. Serbia on the other hand can choose to join the Russian Federation if it wants; we have no problem with that. By the way do you remember what the Russian solders did to your women after they liberated you during the WWII?

The Kosovo Serbs should be prepared for the worst in the coming months. US does not have the political will to enforce an independent Kosovo and Russia will not allow it as long as Belgrade does not get a compromised solution.

The Serbs in Kosovo-Mitrovica must be prepared for the backlash from Albanian extremists which may include unilateral independance. The Greeks in Cyprus had some protection through UN intervention, the Kosovo Serbs in Mitrovica do not have the luxury.

Russia wants something from Kosovo case - a deal with EU for its own interests. That's about it. Serbia never mattered to Russia otherwise.

"Why should there be any conflicts if everyone sticks to the principles of International Law and UN Charter?" I have one question to you, does this International Law exists only for you serbs. Which International Law you referee where you created Republika Serpska. Maybe you wrote a new one International Law with the blood of 8000 bosnian muslims in Srebrenica. Come on! Teach me that Law!

"Why should there be any conflicts if everyone sticks to the principles of International Law and UN Charter?I"

Answer: That would be the best for a perfect and peaceful world, but we are dealing here with a country that violated the International Law over and over again, by killing its own citizens, and that was done through the government that was established by Serbian citizens in the free elections. Even worse today, 8 years later, the new government, nor Serbian people never have offered an apology to Kosovo's people for what they did. If we sum this, it will clearly tell us and EU that Kosovo can not be left in Serbia, b/c any government that come in place in Serbia they will be just as bad with Albanians as Milosevic was. Kosovo deserves Independence, and in the long run this will be the best thing for the hole region , especialy for Serbia.

Remember boys, V. Putin will need a booster seat to be at eye level with members of the EU and he hates it.

Don't be surprised, at the end of the day, the USA will put the right amount of pressure on Putin to remind him who's boss. Just as China will bend to America's wishes.

Kosova's independence will sail through the Security Council. And then, the sun will still shine tomorrow.

Please people its all so simple. Russia doesnt care about Kosovo. Its doing this for incentives.
Money makes the world go round.

ha ha, gotta love the guys. arben, you are (once again) asking the wrong question, but i understand that, you don´t have access to free media, just to western media or uck controlled media.
russias new pipeline to china will be finished in about 4 years. untill today (!!!) due to a lack of possibilities and due to longterm-contracts with japan, japan is getting more oil and gas from russia than china. so the correct question is: will the eu change kosovo for their energy security (i don´t think that putin cares much about where the dollars will come from, as long as they are paid in time and chinese pay in time). especially when the outcome of (imaginary) kosovo indiependence would mean partitioning georgia. and that would mean, that the only pipeline to europe that surpasses russia will get russian. of course the answer is no, kosovo won´t get indiependent and everybody who is serious knows that.
let´s forget the mulit-billion-dollar investments of russia in serbia (lukoil, gazprom, and so on, much more than russias investment in iran), that for alone is making serbia a - as is written above - presidential agenda!
@????
i´m sharing my thoughts with people like myself, you are serbian citizen just like me.

and when i see the albanian behaviour in the serbian embassy in vienna (due to business i´m often in vienna) of the albanians that did not destroy their serbian documents, i´m quite convinced that albanians will get real good citizens of serbia.

Well lets just see in February when the ethnic-leadership are called to a new round of negotiations after the "draft" is presented - or do you guys think the presentation itself wil declare independence?

Guys, wake up…Kosovo is Independent for 8 years now. Ahtisari’s proposal will not automatically grant independence but it will be a document with instructions that would lead to independence. By now, the world is aware of what Serbia is able to do in order to destabilize the region. However, it’s nothing new for Serbia to lose another piece of land, Serbia over the past decade managed to destroy Yugoslavia and proved that this nation cannot deal with any nationality (Croats, Bosnians, Slovenians, Montenegrins, Macedonians and of course with Albanians).

oh...come on guys, that´s just so cheesy, what you´re posting here...

first of all, the Albanians are not independent and they won´t be, unless being supervised by someone else means "independence" for you...

and, please this nonsense about the "bad Serbs" who "have proven they cannot live together with other nations" ...who do you think shall believe that?
did the Albanians fight against the Serbs in Macedonia?

guys, don´t make fools of yourselves...

you will have your broad autonomy within Serbia and Serbs will have their territorial integrity and thats it.

@USofA: Serbia violated international law? well, you will certainly be capable of telling me in which regard? at least Serbia did not attack any other country, it fought armed civilians in Kosovo ( that is usually called civil war, what has no international effect whatsoever )so, wouldn´t it be better to inform yourself before giving such "answers"?

your " answer " made me smile...thanks for that!

Tringa

"Kosovo is Independent for 8 years now. Ahtisari’s proposal will not automatically grant independence ....will lead to Independence"

- is it or isnt it??? Contradictory messages highlight the lack of understanding you have on the reality of the term negotiated settlement. 1244 is fortunetly very explicit and not contardictory as I am sure you are only too aware.

Let the talks in April begin when the new Serbian govt. is formed. At that point at least we will know the starting point i.e. the "Draft" proposal and we shall see the reality of your contradictory words. Even the International Crisis Group have now accepted that the negotiatiated settlement will not reach the Security Council till summer at the earliest - and that will be one that is agreeable to all!

I assume that all of the Albanians in this discussion are getting all of their information from the news they read. Sidi obviously believes the AP to be the final call in Kosovo's independence. But the finally call will rest upon the Contact Group convincing Russia to abandon it's own stand that territorial integrity cannot be decided against the will of the nation you are trying to take land from. Predictor gives various scenarios but fails to realize that Russia doesn't need economic incentives with all the oil and gas it controls. I don't think the EU, which has to import gas and oil, will be able to convince Russia that they can do without their gas and oil, as Adrian Gashi states. And any decision by the EU to recognize a Kosovo independence must also have the approval of all the members, including those that are currently against independence, such as Romania, Spain, and Cyprus. Also, both the US and UK have agreed with Russia joining the WTO. Russia's WTO bid is being held up by Georgia, not the US and UK, which doesn't like the idea of Russia troops in it's own breakaway regions. So if Kosovo wants to become the next Taiwan, they can do it without international approval. And USofA, has the American government ever apologized to the Indians in America that it massacred for the lands they took? From what I have read, they are put onto reservations to keep them together and out of the way of your people. Don't impose a different standard on Serbia that you haven't imposed on your own country.

Kosovo independent for 8 years? That's the most ridiculous claim I have encountered on the world wide web so far this century. Kosovo has, quite to the contrary, been interdependent for ages, and will continue to be so in the foreseeable future regardless of whether this future includes continued affiliation to Serbia or not. Secondly, the abuse of Kosovo occured within the context of an authoritarian regime (Tito, Milosevic etc), and I also reckon it is ridiculous to contest this fact. However, with more than 50 % of K-Serbs voting for the SRS at general elections, the Serbs resident in Kosovo are hardly appeasing themselves to the K-Albanians, and the fact that the voting pattern in Kosovo resembles that of a authoritarian regime (clear majority) shows that some of the fears expressed by K-Albanians, with regards to a future within Serbia, are very much real. On a different note, I cannot think of one democratic state in Europe being stripped of parts of its territory, against its own wishes, by the UN. It thus seems as if the Serbs could set an infamous precedent in this respect as well.

For your info Usof A regarding your funny comment that ‘Serbia did not attack any other country, it fought armed civilians in Kosovo’ If you call armed civilians women, children even babies then give me a break. That was an excuse used in the eye of the world. My grandfather who was on his 80 was killed and is still missing and you tell me about what Serbia fought in 1998-1999.Also the massacre in Racak, Obria etc. where Delijaj family lost 17 family members among them children 4, 6 years old and innocent mother while breast-feeding her baby. I think you are totally uniformed and I would never give fake ‘answers’ or as you do.

FUNNY... the EU expects conflict with russia (as the story says)... but albanian posters on this site do not. whatever floats your boat!

to Tringa:

please, do your own research.
it has no purpose to discuss with uninformed individuals.

nevertheless I want to emphasize that every unarmed civilian who is killed in a political conflict is one too much.

I am against violence towards poeple who are not taking arms into their hands.

so, if there were killed albanian women or children, that is of course a crime and has to be punished like a crime.

and as far as we have seen, there have already been some Serbs jailed in Belgrade for comitting atrocities against albanian civilians.

but, to make one thing clear:
Racak was no massacre, that is already a verified fact.

even the international media has brought that.
check it for yourself, I have given the source of a video in a previous comment.

in that video, even the interviewed Albanians are saying that it was no massacre and that there were no concentration camps etc.

so, just inform yourself, if you are willing to let the albanian propaganda behind.

the facts are there, the only thing for you is to stop ignoring them.

A large percentage of oil and gas comes from Russia which supplies Europe. Last week when the Russian turned off the gas to Europe everyone was sqawking about the gas and EU was complaining to countries which was part of the block about the gas and oil reserves if that did not concern the EU i don't know what well. The EU will not try to cross russia and of course we shall see what the contact group and marti will present i am sure everyone will be not happy. But as for Kosovo joining the EU? You must be smoking pot, Turkey has industry and energy supplies as well as large shipping ports. What does Kosovo have to offer to the EU?????? Can someone answer that? No industry, no energy sources please can someone answer that? No one can so how can you think to get Kosovo into the EU. Wishful thinking i believe and no i am not a Serb.

To Jovan:
If you really think and believe that a government of a country has the right to kill its own citizens rather they are women, children, elderly etc... just because they were Albanians and still will be respecting the International Law, think again. B/C with ideas like this your country's way to EU will last for centuries.
And to Tringa:
the comment that you replied to was not mine, that was a respond to by Jovan. Thanks

kosovo is de-facto independent. why change that? de-facto is totally different from de-jure. because the serbs can still maintain the illusion that they have kosovo. it'll save a LOT of face (serbian's). will save a lot of hard feelings. kosovo can go on like now. besides, I dont think russia will stay silent. they can grab s.ossetia & abkhazia too, saying that the people want independece from georgia.

to USofA:

what are you fantasising about???

a state must not kill its citizens, and I have not said that, so just stop spreading lies. by repeating false allegations they won´t become right.

if the Albanians are killing their own fellow-albanian citizens as "traitors" just because of the willingness to live together with Serbs within Serbia ( what happened ), ..then such argumentation like yours is simply cheap and moreover non-serious.
it shows furthermore how free the poeples´ will to decide about the own future is in Kosovo.

don´t worry about Serbias future in the EU, that will be much earlier than you will like it.

but please, stop repeating your propaganda and just come up with ARGUMENTS, please.

Why talk anymore of independence? We need to talk about reconciliation and bringing Kosovo back into the family. To think that the Russians will allow Serbia to be broken up like the winning powers did after each world war is ridiculous. This time, Europe will not dictate borders. We must now start the reconciliation process.

Of course you will have conflicts because Europe wants to appease everyone but i don't think it will happen. The Albanians will not be happy (not full independence) and Serbia to release control of Kosovo. If there is no further talks then it will be put to a vote in the Security council and Russia or China will veto and back to square one. EU will get mad at Russia and Russia will stop the Gas and oil flow. EU goes into a panic. Just because you have a large block of Europe and alot money does not mean you cannot be put in check.

Don't even talk about EU versus Russia. There is no consensus among all EU members regarding Kosovo to begin with. EU versus Russia? More like EU vs EU.

This would be a waste of time. Russia has to understand that the Serbs have lost their rigt to rule on a majority. However, I do not dream; I know exactly how the Russians think, having in mind what they do in Chechenya!

lowe is correct. this article talks of the EU like a coherent bloc. it is far from it. there are 5 or 6 countries strongly opposed and 3 or 4 countries fairly concerned. finally whatever is proposed will be watered down in the SC... just liek 1244 was watered down (it's first draft was awful).

western and albanian terror in 1999 on serbia got a real russin, tsar vladi, into kremlin.

he stopped albanian and western terror on macedonia.

he knows whats to do!

Why should there be any conflicts if everyone sticks to the principles of International Law and UN Charter?I think that more and more Europe deals with this issue, the stronger voice will be not to have new changes of borders in region, because that could lead to domino effect. I think that at the end of the day, when everybody clearly thinks about the fact that 99, intervention was justified because of humanitarian and not independent-state building, it will remain only to Albanian political elites to explain to their people that EU integration is about integrating , not separating.

[ “the EU is frustrated”, as no one expected such a reaction from Russia ]

they did not expect such a reaction. aha. okay. seems like there are some EU-official suffering from a weird kind of autism.

iowe is right, we have seen the unharmonious relationship in EU during the EU constitution voting which ultimately failed.

It was made known today to the press as well as AP, that Ahtisaari's proposal will be one of limited independence. That means that while under EU supervision in terms of meeting certain benchmarks to full independence, Serbia's sovreignty in the land will be completely over, both de facto and de jure. So trust me when I say that Albanians, myself included, will be VERY VERY VERY happy with the proposal. It is not the EU towards whom we feel antagonism, it is Serbia. It is Serbia that we want to see forever out of Kosovo, and we don't mind EU supervision. Independence is independence, and unlike the muslims in Bosnia, we got the 95% majority in Kosovo, to virtually make it an Albanian state, like it was before the occupation. So I would be worried if I was you folks, for pretty soon you will have to face a very very unpleasant reality. It will hit you very hard smack in the face, so gear up and do not continue day dreaming.

here's fresh one for you which just happened yesterday.
Vicar Bishop Teodosije of Lipljan and members of the Council of Europe's Committee for renewal of churches in Kosovo and Metohija visited the newly restored church of St. Nicholas in Pristina today after the Committee was informed that a part of the lead roof was missing above the apsid and the side cupola. According to information obtained by the Committee, the thieves fled the scene yesterday when they were caught in the act by a Kosovo Police Service patrol arriving in front of the church after a neighbor called them.

I do not understand why the Serbian people should hope that someone (Putin or China) forces Serbia to live together with the K-Albanians in the same country knowing that Serbia, in that way, will become another Albanian state in the next decades.

Raso your extreme thoughts you should share with people like you.

Eric talks of reconciliation. Ever occured to you that may be a little too late?

Mark my words well: independence will be coming this year, though, I would suspect, no one, including Albanians, is under any illusions that this would be an easy process. But, nevertheless, it will come. Its the least bad outcome of all, in the eyes of many global players. There's no sympathy politics here...independence is better than reintegration of Kosovo into Serbia. The former means the int'l community can manage the regional instability from an angry Serbia (as Serbs are now comparatively much weaker than they used to be); the latter(reintegration) lead to war. No one wants the latter.

You can burst emotionally here and say its impossible, but I always think informed opinions should be based on a bit of more hard facts. Kosovo has been de facto independent for 7 years now; facts on the ground matter.

At the end of the day...Serbia itself will benefit from this. Hard to see for now; but maybe their grandchildren, hopefully uninfected with a chauvensitic syndrome, will enjoy the fruits of a stable Balkans, of which an independent Kosovo, whether you like it or not, is key!

These are all possible scenarios...if = what...

1. Ahtisari brings his proposal, UN Security Council approves it, and Kosova becomes independent.
2. Ahtisari bring his proposal, UN SC does not approve it (because of Russian veto), US and UK grants the Russian Federation entrance in WTO, Russia retracts its veto, and Kosova becomes independent.
3. Ahtisari brings his proposal, UN SC does not approve it (because of Russian veto again, as US and UK do not grant them entrance in the WTO, or the Russians wants more than that), then, Kosovas Parliament unilaterally proclaims independence, UK, US, Germany, France, Belgium, Switzerland, Pakistan, Sweden, Norway etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. recognizes the independence to Kosova – and INDPENDENT KOSOVA becomes reality, whether UN SC approves the resolution or not.

It made me laugh reading that Russia will risk alienating EU over Kosova. Cutting the gas to EU, it'll mean that Russia will be cutting its own sources of revenue. Where are they going to be selling their gas to? Iran? Afghanistan? You can't deal with EU by threatening it, EU is not Georgia. Russia has no say over Kosova, because it hasn't and it doesn't pay anything. Spending money gives you the right to make decisions! Do you think that after paying billions for so many years, the west will just simply allow Russia to make decisions on Kosova? But then, Russia doesn't even have a project on Kosova, it simply wants to disrupt west's constructive work. And yet as a member of the Contact Group, Russia agreed that the status quo is not desirable and it agreed too on the set of principles that form Ahtisaari's proposal. It has been a party on the process so far, nothing has been done without Russia's approval, and now all of a sudden Putin wants to flex his muscles? For what? To feed Serbia's imperial dreams? Serbia wants to dominate and rule over a people that are determined to free themselves from her yoke. That is the situation that Putin wants to preserve, a situation that has brought conflict in the past, and definitively will bring more conflict in the future. And the west is supposed to keep spending even more billions to contain and prevent and clean up the effects of such an irresponsible policy?

Kosova will gain its long deserved independence and will eventually join the EU. Serbia on the other hand can choose to join the Russian Federation if it wants; we have no problem with that. By the way do you remember what the Russian solders did to your women after they liberated you during the WWII?

The Kosovo Serbs should be prepared for the worst in the coming months. US does not have the political will to enforce an independent Kosovo and Russia will not allow it as long as Belgrade does not get a compromised solution.

The Serbs in Kosovo-Mitrovica must be prepared for the backlash from Albanian extremists which may include unilateral independance. The Greeks in Cyprus had some protection through UN intervention, the Kosovo Serbs in Mitrovica do not have the luxury.

Russia wants something from Kosovo case - a deal with EU for its own interests. That's about it. Serbia never mattered to Russia otherwise.

"Why should there be any conflicts if everyone sticks to the principles of International Law and UN Charter?" I have one question to you, does this International Law exists only for you serbs. Which International Law you referee where you created Republika Serpska. Maybe you wrote a new one International Law with the blood of 8000 bosnian muslims in Srebrenica. Come on! Teach me that Law!

"Why should there be any conflicts if everyone sticks to the principles of International Law and UN Charter?I"

Answer: That would be the best for a perfect and peaceful world, but we are dealing here with a country that violated the International Law over and over again, by killing its own citizens, and that was done through the government that was established by Serbian citizens in the free elections. Even worse today, 8 years later, the new government, nor Serbian people never have offered an apology to Kosovo's people for what they did. If we sum this, it will clearly tell us and EU that Kosovo can not be left in Serbia, b/c any government that come in place in Serbia they will be just as bad with Albanians as Milosevic was. Kosovo deserves Independence, and in the long run this will be the best thing for the hole region , especialy for Serbia.

Remember boys, V. Putin will need a booster seat to be at eye level with members of the EU and he hates it.

Don't be surprised, at the end of the day, the USA will put the right amount of pressure on Putin to remind him who's boss. Just as China will bend to America's wishes.

Kosova's independence will sail through the Security Council. And then, the sun will still shine tomorrow.

Please people its all so simple. Russia doesnt care about Kosovo. Its doing this for incentives.
Money makes the world go round.

ha ha, gotta love the guys. arben, you are (once again) asking the wrong question, but i understand that, you don´t have access to free media, just to western media or uck controlled media.
russias new pipeline to china will be finished in about 4 years. untill today (!!!) due to a lack of possibilities and due to longterm-contracts with japan, japan is getting more oil and gas from russia than china. so the correct question is: will the eu change kosovo for their energy security (i don´t think that putin cares much about where the dollars will come from, as long as they are paid in time and chinese pay in time). especially when the outcome of (imaginary) kosovo indiependence would mean partitioning georgia. and that would mean, that the only pipeline to europe that surpasses russia will get russian. of course the answer is no, kosovo won´t get indiependent and everybody who is serious knows that.
let´s forget the mulit-billion-dollar investments of russia in serbia (lukoil, gazprom, and so on, much more than russias investment in iran), that for alone is making serbia a - as is written above - presidential agenda!
@????
i´m sharing my thoughts with people like myself, you are serbian citizen just like me.

and when i see the albanian behaviour in the serbian embassy in vienna (due to business i´m often in vienna) of the albanians that did not destroy their serbian documents, i´m quite convinced that albanians will get real good citizens of serbia.

Well lets just see in February when the ethnic-leadership are called to a new round of negotiations after the "draft" is presented - or do you guys think the presentation itself wil declare independence?

Guys, wake up…Kosovo is Independent for 8 years now. Ahtisari’s proposal will not automatically grant independence but it will be a document with instructions that would lead to independence. By now, the world is aware of what Serbia is able to do in order to destabilize the region. However, it’s nothing new for Serbia to lose another piece of land, Serbia over the past decade managed to destroy Yugoslavia and proved that this nation cannot deal with any nationality (Croats, Bosnians, Slovenians, Montenegrins, Macedonians and of course with Albanians).

oh...come on guys, that´s just so cheesy, what you´re posting here...

first of all, the Albanians are not independent and they won´t be, unless being supervised by someone else means "independence" for you...

and, please this nonsense about the "bad Serbs" who "have proven they cannot live together with other nations" ...who do you think shall believe that?
did the Albanians fight against the Serbs in Macedonia?

guys, don´t make fools of yourselves...

you will have your broad autonomy within Serbia and Serbs will have their territorial integrity and thats it.

@USofA: Serbia violated international law? well, you will certainly be capable of telling me in which regard? at least Serbia did not attack any other country, it fought armed civilians in Kosovo ( that is usually called civil war, what has no international effect whatsoever )so, wouldn´t it be better to inform yourself before giving such "answers"?

your " answer " made me smile...thanks for that!

Tringa

"Kosovo is Independent for 8 years now. Ahtisari’s proposal will not automatically grant independence ....will lead to Independence"

- is it or isnt it??? Contradictory messages highlight the lack of understanding you have on the reality of the term negotiated settlement. 1244 is fortunetly very explicit and not contardictory as I am sure you are only too aware.

Let the talks in April begin when the new Serbian govt. is formed. At that point at least we will know the starting point i.e. the "Draft" proposal and we shall see the reality of your contradictory words. Even the International Crisis Group have now accepted that the negotiatiated settlement will not reach the Security Council till summer at the earliest - and that will be one that is agreeable to all!

I assume that all of the Albanians in this discussion are getting all of their information from the news they read. Sidi obviously believes the AP to be the final call in Kosovo's independence. But the finally call will rest upon the Contact Group convincing Russia to abandon it's own stand that territorial integrity cannot be decided against the will of the nation you are trying to take land from. Predictor gives various scenarios but fails to realize that Russia doesn't need economic incentives with all the oil and gas it controls. I don't think the EU, which has to import gas and oil, will be able to convince Russia that they can do without their gas and oil, as Adrian Gashi states. And any decision by the EU to recognize a Kosovo independence must also have the approval of all the members, including those that are currently against independence, such as Romania, Spain, and Cyprus. Also, both the US and UK have agreed with Russia joining the WTO. Russia's WTO bid is being held up by Georgia, not the US and UK, which doesn't like the idea of Russia troops in it's own breakaway regions. So if Kosovo wants to become the next Taiwan, they can do it without international approval. And USofA, has the American government ever apologized to the Indians in America that it massacred for the lands they took? From what I have read, they are put onto reservations to keep them together and out of the way of your people. Don't impose a different standard on Serbia that you haven't imposed on your own country.

Kosovo independent for 8 years? That's the most ridiculous claim I have encountered on the world wide web so far this century. Kosovo has, quite to the contrary, been interdependent for ages, and will continue to be so in the foreseeable future regardless of whether this future includes continued affiliation to Serbia or not. Secondly, the abuse of Kosovo occured within the context of an authoritarian regime (Tito, Milosevic etc), and I also reckon it is ridiculous to contest this fact. However, with more than 50 % of K-Serbs voting for the SRS at general elections, the Serbs resident in Kosovo are hardly appeasing themselves to the K-Albanians, and the fact that the voting pattern in Kosovo resembles that of a authoritarian regime (clear majority) shows that some of the fears expressed by K-Albanians, with regards to a future within Serbia, are very much real. On a different note, I cannot think of one democratic state in Europe being stripped of parts of its territory, against its own wishes, by the UN. It thus seems as if the Serbs could set an infamous precedent in this respect as well.

For your info Usof A regarding your funny comment that ‘Serbia did not attack any other country, it fought armed civilians in Kosovo’ If you call armed civilians women, children even babies then give me a break. That was an excuse used in the eye of the world. My grandfather who was on his 80 was killed and is still missing and you tell me about what Serbia fought in 1998-1999.Also the massacre in Racak, Obria etc. where Delijaj family lost 17 family members among them children 4, 6 years old and innocent mother while breast-feeding her baby. I think you are totally uniformed and I would never give fake ‘answers’ or as you do.

FUNNY... the EU expects conflict with russia (as the story says)... but albanian posters on this site do not. whatever floats your boat!

to Tringa:

please, do your own research.
it has no purpose to discuss with uninformed individuals.

nevertheless I want to emphasize that every unarmed civilian who is killed in a political conflict is one too much.

I am against violence towards poeple who are not taking arms into their hands.

so, if there were killed albanian women or children, that is of course a crime and has to be punished like a crime.

and as far as we have seen, there have already been some Serbs jailed in Belgrade for comitting atrocities against albanian civilians.

but, to make one thing clear:
Racak was no massacre, that is already a verified fact.

even the international media has brought that.
check it for yourself, I have given the source of a video in a previous comment.

in that video, even the interviewed Albanians are saying that it was no massacre and that there were no concentration camps etc.

so, just inform yourself, if you are willing to let the albanian propaganda behind.

the facts are there, the only thing for you is to stop ignoring them.

A large percentage of oil and gas comes from Russia which supplies Europe. Last week when the Russian turned off the gas to Europe everyone was sqawking about the gas and EU was complaining to countries which was part of the block about the gas and oil reserves if that did not concern the EU i don't know what well. The EU will not try to cross russia and of course we shall see what the contact group and marti will present i am sure everyone will be not happy. But as for Kosovo joining the EU? You must be smoking pot, Turkey has industry and energy supplies as well as large shipping ports. What does Kosovo have to offer to the EU?????? Can someone answer that? No industry, no energy sources please can someone answer that? No one can so how can you think to get Kosovo into the EU. Wishful thinking i believe and no i am not a Serb.

To Jovan:
If you really think and believe that a government of a country has the right to kill its own citizens rather they are women, children, elderly etc... just because they were Albanians and still will be respecting the International Law, think again. B/C with ideas like this your country's way to EU will last for centuries.
And to Tringa:
the comment that you replied to was not mine, that was a respond to by Jovan. Thanks

kosovo is de-facto independent. why change that? de-facto is totally different from de-jure. because the serbs can still maintain the illusion that they have kosovo. it'll save a LOT of face (serbian's). will save a lot of hard feelings. kosovo can go on like now. besides, I dont think russia will stay silent. they can grab s.ossetia & abkhazia too, saying that the people want independece from georgia.

to USofA:

what are you fantasising about???

a state must not kill its citizens, and I have not said that, so just stop spreading lies. by repeating false allegations they won´t become right.

if the Albanians are killing their own fellow-albanian citizens as "traitors" just because of the willingness to live together with Serbs within Serbia ( what happened ), ..then such argumentation like yours is simply cheap and moreover non-serious.
it shows furthermore how free the poeples´ will to decide about the own future is in Kosovo.

don´t worry about Serbias future in the EU, that will be much earlier than you will like it.

but please, stop repeating your propaganda and just come up with ARGUMENTS, please.