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Tuesday, 13.10.2020.

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EU made a prompt decision, Moscow's response to follow

EU foreign ministers supported the Franco-German plan to impose sanctions on Russians suspected of poisoning Alexei Navalny with nerve gas.

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sj

pre 3 godine

(Aunt Corona, 16 October 2020 00:27)

The CIA, NSA and other intelligence agencies are all rivals as well, but regardless whether CIA or GRU or KGB/FSB are tightly controlled and nothing happens without any action being approved higher up.
However, the Russians had no benefit to kill Alexei Navalny – non at all. The last thing Moscow needed was an incident where they could be blamed. It’s funny how everyone skims over the part that Novichok is a deadly poison and a few drops would kill many people within a certain radius and yet no one else except Navalny was affected. His staff were with him in the hotel room, they were with him in the airport and on the plane and no one else became ill. He had no value since in the last election he had 2% of the vote – he is a spent force.
As far as tests by the Germans are concerned, read up on the what the ex-chief of the OPCW said about those “chemical” attacks in Syria. Why would the Russians poison the Skripal when they could have killed him 12 years ago after he was caught spying for the west or his daughter Yulia who lived in Moscow all those years so why wait for her to go to London?
If those two were agents then I am Santa Clause. You don’t kill agents you spent big money and time on training regardless of mistakes they may make otherwise non one would join the spy agency – word gets around very quick about those things. You have seen too many James Bond movies where the evil east disposes of those that fail.

Aunt Corona

pre 3 godine

Where is Angel Merkel? Oh she is sitting on the fence to see ha, ha, ha, which way the wind blows and then she will make the appropriate decision, ha, ha.
(sj, 13 October 2020 09:50)

You forgot about GRU and KGB/FSB being eternal rivals - even if GRU is formally part of KGB. This is like the Gestapo - Abwehr rivalry. At some point these were more bitter rivals than Germany and Soviet Union.

VVP was (is?) a KGB officer, more a bookworm, than a military macho man. I could be wrong, but I do not see a reason he would seriously consider either Skripal' or Navalnyj. Maybe Navalnyj, but he does not care less about Skripal'. On the other side there is GRU and them being rivals. I think, this is why VVP did allow Margarita to "toast" both GRU agents in public on the TV. Than, of course both agents "disappeared", now either dealing with lead poisoning (few grams of lead fired from AK-47) or Uranium poisoning (serving our Homeland with diligent Stakhanov-style labor in Siberia). I tend to think about AK-47, it's simpler.
The Navalnyj could be reaction of GRU, but don't held me responsible.

I am Aunty Corona, I don't mind to deal with KGB or Trump. But even I don't want to know anything about GRU.

Jessica Tal

pre 3 godine

What is quite amazing is the fact that when Putin was interviewed on TV, he claimed that he had never heard of Novichok. However, our resident troll has contradicted the Russian leader and stated that no trace of this poison was found in Navalny’s system, ha, ha, ha! Old sj continues to make a fool of himself by contradicting Putin, but also what everyone knows to be true.

View from the uk

pre 3 godine

This is just total BS...
I'm 1000% sure that if Russia wanted this chap dead he would be dead. But the west sees an opportunity to throw mud at Mr Putin and Russia and so the political elite and the media go into overdrive.... laughable.
Its the western "democracies" who do far more political murders.
Many examples but here are just a few.... JFK... many central and south American presidents murdered by the CIA.
Britain sadly also murders people. Dr David Kelly, chief weapons inspector in Iraq pleaded with the west to give him more time to finish his work. They ignored him. WMDs was a lie and Dr Kelly was due to give evidence to parliament. A few days before he was due to give evidence he was found hanging from a tree near his home.....he committed suicide. Really...??
No history of mental illness or stress but he "committed suicide"
Then Dr Kellys assistant was due to give evidence. And guess what....
he too hanged himself near his home...he also committed suicide.
We in the UK believe/know that this was state murder. But nothing happens to those who are guilty.

sj

pre 3 godine

You Gedžas have it so easy 🤣🤣🤣!!!
(Tom L'Orizi, 13 October 2020 14:39)

A very old Serbian saying come to mind and it goes like this” Smeje se kao lud na brasno.
Here is a perfect example of an Albanian. First, he is so ashamed of being an Albanian that he does not use his real name, but the angelized version – Tom L'Orizi, is not an Albanian name.
Next these people would sell their own mothers as they started with being Christians then as soon as the Turks turned up, they became Muslim then atheist under communism – note how they change quickly LOL. Now they deny their Islamic heritage to fit into the US narrative. Weak willed is the proper description.
Now our resident fake Italian Albo uses the word Gedžistan, which is his version of Serbia. He is so determined to hide from the fact that he is a Muslim he uses all methods trying to point the finger at someone else. The problem is everyone of those lands with names ending in “Stan” is Muslim. I’m a little surprised its not Albaniastan.
You have to feel sorry for him that he is so ashamed of being an Albanian of Islamic faith that he needs to hide the fact.

Al

pre 3 godine

EU and USA have put sanctions on Russia for the past 10 years and it hadn't destroyed the Russian economy. It did the opposite. EU cannot even control Turkey. EU is basically a relic of the past.

Joe A

pre 3 godine

A whistle blowers -former director of the Organization for Prohibition of Chemical Weapons- was recently prevented by the US, UK and FR to testify at the UNSC about twisting of evidence by the OPCW regarding the supposed chemical attack in Syria. Former employees of the OPCW reached different conclusions than the current leadership of the OPCW about what happened in Syria. The OPCW has become a politically motivated institution.

If Putin wanted this guy dead, he would be dead. Much is at stake here -read oil&gas and dollars- so people are willing to go far for that. History is full of examples how far people and countries are willing to go to protect their interest. That applies to the West as well as to Russia, btw.
The OPCW has been c

sj

pre 3 godine

If the EU is serious about this Navalny BS they should stop the Nord Stream 2 project and buy freedom gas at 5 times the price of what the Russians are selling. It should be a matter of principle, but the west has no principles left and that’s why they are a laughing stock.
There is absolutely no evidence what so ever of Navalny. If he was poisoned by Novichok Navalny would be dead as the Dodo bird. His staff retrieved his drinking water bottle 4 hours after he left the hotel room and not one was affected, people were around him all the time and yet Navalny was the only one who was “sick”.
Before anyone starts posting BS look up Novichok and see how deadly this chemical is to humans. Navalny’s entire entourage would be dead.
Now that they have themselves in a bind, I’m sure they will “find” another chemical agent so they don’t look stupid LOL.
Where is Angel Merkel? Oh she is sitting on the fence to see ha, ha, ha, which way the wind blows and then she will make the appropriate decision, ha, ha.

sj

pre 3 godine

If the EU is serious about this Navalny BS they should stop the Nord Stream 2 project and buy freedom gas at 5 times the price of what the Russians are selling. It should be a matter of principle, but the west has no principles left and that’s why they are a laughing stock.
There is absolutely no evidence what so ever of Navalny. If he was poisoned by Novichok Navalny would be dead as the Dodo bird. His staff retrieved his drinking water bottle 4 hours after he left the hotel room and not one was affected, people were around him all the time and yet Navalny was the only one who was “sick”.
Before anyone starts posting BS look up Novichok and see how deadly this chemical is to humans. Navalny’s entire entourage would be dead.
Now that they have themselves in a bind, I’m sure they will “find” another chemical agent so they don’t look stupid LOL.
Where is Angel Merkel? Oh she is sitting on the fence to see ha, ha, ha, which way the wind blows and then she will make the appropriate decision, ha, ha.

Al

pre 3 godine

EU and USA have put sanctions on Russia for the past 10 years and it hadn't destroyed the Russian economy. It did the opposite. EU cannot even control Turkey. EU is basically a relic of the past.

Joe A

pre 3 godine

A whistle blowers -former director of the Organization for Prohibition of Chemical Weapons- was recently prevented by the US, UK and FR to testify at the UNSC about twisting of evidence by the OPCW regarding the supposed chemical attack in Syria. Former employees of the OPCW reached different conclusions than the current leadership of the OPCW about what happened in Syria. The OPCW has become a politically motivated institution.

If Putin wanted this guy dead, he would be dead. Much is at stake here -read oil&gas and dollars- so people are willing to go far for that. History is full of examples how far people and countries are willing to go to protect their interest. That applies to the West as well as to Russia, btw.
The OPCW has been c

sj

pre 3 godine

You Gedžas have it so easy 🤣🤣🤣!!!
(Tom L'Orizi, 13 October 2020 14:39)

A very old Serbian saying come to mind and it goes like this” Smeje se kao lud na brasno.
Here is a perfect example of an Albanian. First, he is so ashamed of being an Albanian that he does not use his real name, but the angelized version – Tom L'Orizi, is not an Albanian name.
Next these people would sell their own mothers as they started with being Christians then as soon as the Turks turned up, they became Muslim then atheist under communism – note how they change quickly LOL. Now they deny their Islamic heritage to fit into the US narrative. Weak willed is the proper description.
Now our resident fake Italian Albo uses the word Gedžistan, which is his version of Serbia. He is so determined to hide from the fact that he is a Muslim he uses all methods trying to point the finger at someone else. The problem is everyone of those lands with names ending in “Stan” is Muslim. I’m a little surprised its not Albaniastan.
You have to feel sorry for him that he is so ashamed of being an Albanian of Islamic faith that he needs to hide the fact.

View from the uk

pre 3 godine

This is just total BS...
I'm 1000% sure that if Russia wanted this chap dead he would be dead. But the west sees an opportunity to throw mud at Mr Putin and Russia and so the political elite and the media go into overdrive.... laughable.
Its the western "democracies" who do far more political murders.
Many examples but here are just a few.... JFK... many central and south American presidents murdered by the CIA.
Britain sadly also murders people. Dr David Kelly, chief weapons inspector in Iraq pleaded with the west to give him more time to finish his work. They ignored him. WMDs was a lie and Dr Kelly was due to give evidence to parliament. A few days before he was due to give evidence he was found hanging from a tree near his home.....he committed suicide. Really...??
No history of mental illness or stress but he "committed suicide"
Then Dr Kellys assistant was due to give evidence. And guess what....
he too hanged himself near his home...he also committed suicide.
We in the UK believe/know that this was state murder. But nothing happens to those who are guilty.

Jessica Tal

pre 3 godine

What is quite amazing is the fact that when Putin was interviewed on TV, he claimed that he had never heard of Novichok. However, our resident troll has contradicted the Russian leader and stated that no trace of this poison was found in Navalny’s system, ha, ha, ha! Old sj continues to make a fool of himself by contradicting Putin, but also what everyone knows to be true.

Aunt Corona

pre 3 godine

Where is Angel Merkel? Oh she is sitting on the fence to see ha, ha, ha, which way the wind blows and then she will make the appropriate decision, ha, ha.
(sj, 13 October 2020 09:50)

You forgot about GRU and KGB/FSB being eternal rivals - even if GRU is formally part of KGB. This is like the Gestapo - Abwehr rivalry. At some point these were more bitter rivals than Germany and Soviet Union.

VVP was (is?) a KGB officer, more a bookworm, than a military macho man. I could be wrong, but I do not see a reason he would seriously consider either Skripal' or Navalnyj. Maybe Navalnyj, but he does not care less about Skripal'. On the other side there is GRU and them being rivals. I think, this is why VVP did allow Margarita to "toast" both GRU agents in public on the TV. Than, of course both agents "disappeared", now either dealing with lead poisoning (few grams of lead fired from AK-47) or Uranium poisoning (serving our Homeland with diligent Stakhanov-style labor in Siberia). I tend to think about AK-47, it's simpler.
The Navalnyj could be reaction of GRU, but don't held me responsible.

I am Aunty Corona, I don't mind to deal with KGB or Trump. But even I don't want to know anything about GRU.

sj

pre 3 godine

(Aunt Corona, 16 October 2020 00:27)

The CIA, NSA and other intelligence agencies are all rivals as well, but regardless whether CIA or GRU or KGB/FSB are tightly controlled and nothing happens without any action being approved higher up.
However, the Russians had no benefit to kill Alexei Navalny – non at all. The last thing Moscow needed was an incident where they could be blamed. It’s funny how everyone skims over the part that Novichok is a deadly poison and a few drops would kill many people within a certain radius and yet no one else except Navalny was affected. His staff were with him in the hotel room, they were with him in the airport and on the plane and no one else became ill. He had no value since in the last election he had 2% of the vote – he is a spent force.
As far as tests by the Germans are concerned, read up on the what the ex-chief of the OPCW said about those “chemical” attacks in Syria. Why would the Russians poison the Skripal when they could have killed him 12 years ago after he was caught spying for the west or his daughter Yulia who lived in Moscow all those years so why wait for her to go to London?
If those two were agents then I am Santa Clause. You don’t kill agents you spent big money and time on training regardless of mistakes they may make otherwise non one would join the spy agency – word gets around very quick about those things. You have seen too many James Bond movies where the evil east disposes of those that fail.

sj

pre 3 godine

If the EU is serious about this Navalny BS they should stop the Nord Stream 2 project and buy freedom gas at 5 times the price of what the Russians are selling. It should be a matter of principle, but the west has no principles left and that’s why they are a laughing stock.
There is absolutely no evidence what so ever of Navalny. If he was poisoned by Novichok Navalny would be dead as the Dodo bird. His staff retrieved his drinking water bottle 4 hours after he left the hotel room and not one was affected, people were around him all the time and yet Navalny was the only one who was “sick”.
Before anyone starts posting BS look up Novichok and see how deadly this chemical is to humans. Navalny’s entire entourage would be dead.
Now that they have themselves in a bind, I’m sure they will “find” another chemical agent so they don’t look stupid LOL.
Where is Angel Merkel? Oh she is sitting on the fence to see ha, ha, ha, which way the wind blows and then she will make the appropriate decision, ha, ha.

sj

pre 3 godine

You Gedžas have it so easy 🤣🤣🤣!!!
(Tom L'Orizi, 13 October 2020 14:39)

A very old Serbian saying come to mind and it goes like this” Smeje se kao lud na brasno.
Here is a perfect example of an Albanian. First, he is so ashamed of being an Albanian that he does not use his real name, but the angelized version – Tom L'Orizi, is not an Albanian name.
Next these people would sell their own mothers as they started with being Christians then as soon as the Turks turned up, they became Muslim then atheist under communism – note how they change quickly LOL. Now they deny their Islamic heritage to fit into the US narrative. Weak willed is the proper description.
Now our resident fake Italian Albo uses the word Gedžistan, which is his version of Serbia. He is so determined to hide from the fact that he is a Muslim he uses all methods trying to point the finger at someone else. The problem is everyone of those lands with names ending in “Stan” is Muslim. I’m a little surprised its not Albaniastan.
You have to feel sorry for him that he is so ashamed of being an Albanian of Islamic faith that he needs to hide the fact.

View from the uk

pre 3 godine

This is just total BS...
I'm 1000% sure that if Russia wanted this chap dead he would be dead. But the west sees an opportunity to throw mud at Mr Putin and Russia and so the political elite and the media go into overdrive.... laughable.
Its the western "democracies" who do far more political murders.
Many examples but here are just a few.... JFK... many central and south American presidents murdered by the CIA.
Britain sadly also murders people. Dr David Kelly, chief weapons inspector in Iraq pleaded with the west to give him more time to finish his work. They ignored him. WMDs was a lie and Dr Kelly was due to give evidence to parliament. A few days before he was due to give evidence he was found hanging from a tree near his home.....he committed suicide. Really...??
No history of mental illness or stress but he "committed suicide"
Then Dr Kellys assistant was due to give evidence. And guess what....
he too hanged himself near his home...he also committed suicide.
We in the UK believe/know that this was state murder. But nothing happens to those who are guilty.

Aunt Corona

pre 3 godine

Where is Angel Merkel? Oh she is sitting on the fence to see ha, ha, ha, which way the wind blows and then she will make the appropriate decision, ha, ha.
(sj, 13 October 2020 09:50)

You forgot about GRU and KGB/FSB being eternal rivals - even if GRU is formally part of KGB. This is like the Gestapo - Abwehr rivalry. At some point these were more bitter rivals than Germany and Soviet Union.

VVP was (is?) a KGB officer, more a bookworm, than a military macho man. I could be wrong, but I do not see a reason he would seriously consider either Skripal' or Navalnyj. Maybe Navalnyj, but he does not care less about Skripal'. On the other side there is GRU and them being rivals. I think, this is why VVP did allow Margarita to "toast" both GRU agents in public on the TV. Than, of course both agents "disappeared", now either dealing with lead poisoning (few grams of lead fired from AK-47) or Uranium poisoning (serving our Homeland with diligent Stakhanov-style labor in Siberia). I tend to think about AK-47, it's simpler.
The Navalnyj could be reaction of GRU, but don't held me responsible.

I am Aunty Corona, I don't mind to deal with KGB or Trump. But even I don't want to know anything about GRU.

Al

pre 3 godine

EU and USA have put sanctions on Russia for the past 10 years and it hadn't destroyed the Russian economy. It did the opposite. EU cannot even control Turkey. EU is basically a relic of the past.

Jessica Tal

pre 3 godine

What is quite amazing is the fact that when Putin was interviewed on TV, he claimed that he had never heard of Novichok. However, our resident troll has contradicted the Russian leader and stated that no trace of this poison was found in Navalny’s system, ha, ha, ha! Old sj continues to make a fool of himself by contradicting Putin, but also what everyone knows to be true.

sj

pre 3 godine

(Aunt Corona, 16 October 2020 00:27)

The CIA, NSA and other intelligence agencies are all rivals as well, but regardless whether CIA or GRU or KGB/FSB are tightly controlled and nothing happens without any action being approved higher up.
However, the Russians had no benefit to kill Alexei Navalny – non at all. The last thing Moscow needed was an incident where they could be blamed. It’s funny how everyone skims over the part that Novichok is a deadly poison and a few drops would kill many people within a certain radius and yet no one else except Navalny was affected. His staff were with him in the hotel room, they were with him in the airport and on the plane and no one else became ill. He had no value since in the last election he had 2% of the vote – he is a spent force.
As far as tests by the Germans are concerned, read up on the what the ex-chief of the OPCW said about those “chemical” attacks in Syria. Why would the Russians poison the Skripal when they could have killed him 12 years ago after he was caught spying for the west or his daughter Yulia who lived in Moscow all those years so why wait for her to go to London?
If those two were agents then I am Santa Clause. You don’t kill agents you spent big money and time on training regardless of mistakes they may make otherwise non one would join the spy agency – word gets around very quick about those things. You have seen too many James Bond movies where the evil east disposes of those that fail.

Joe A

pre 3 godine

A whistle blowers -former director of the Organization for Prohibition of Chemical Weapons- was recently prevented by the US, UK and FR to testify at the UNSC about twisting of evidence by the OPCW regarding the supposed chemical attack in Syria. Former employees of the OPCW reached different conclusions than the current leadership of the OPCW about what happened in Syria. The OPCW has become a politically motivated institution.

If Putin wanted this guy dead, he would be dead. Much is at stake here -read oil&gas and dollars- so people are willing to go far for that. History is full of examples how far people and countries are willing to go to protect their interest. That applies to the West as well as to Russia, btw.
The OPCW has been c