Chinese President Xi Jinping announced his visit to Serbia in talks with Vucic

The Communist dictator should only come to apologize for China's lies about this virus form the beginning.

They denied anything was going on the first few months and even went so far as to jail doctors who tried to warn the world.

Even now they are banning research on the origins of the virus, but the truth will come out.

They are like an arsonist who offers to help extinguish a fire they started. The sooner the world turns its back on China the better.

China, along with Russia, helped Serbia, in the time of great need, more than the empty words and few Euros the disintegrating EU offered. Friends are people who help you in time of need, and in good times, not with distant and hollow phone calls with words that have no meaning or value.

I hope, he will be there at the time the curfew in Europe is over and Serbia has an abundance of over-ripe, rotten tomatoes.

Thomas, oh dear me. What a load of rubbish from you. You have just repeated the same tired lines that the likes of CNN, ABC, BBC, etc have fed you.
Let me tell you.....there is no firm evidence that the virus even started in China. I have read many theories. Namely, it was produced in a lab in China, in a lab in America, it came about because of a market in China, etc. Nobody really knows. I will not accuse anybody until real facts are known.
As for China keeping quiet about the danger of coronavirus let me ask you this, the west knew about it by january, and still did little to prepare. Your view???
A horrid virus emerges from time to time. Spanish flu in 1918/20 killed countless people. Some say it emerged in Kentucky, USA. But nobody really knows. I am not accusing anyone but you seem to have all the answers from CNN, etc.
Is that not the same media that sold you the idea that Iraq had WMDs...??
You Thomas, are easily brainwashed and that is dangerous. Its the likes of you that will support the destruction of China and its economy. Just like you supported the destruction of Iraq. Don't that suit America???

They are like an arsonist who offers to help extinguish a fire they started. The sooner the world turns its back on China the better.
(Thomas, 14 April 2020 23:03)

No brain and happy without it too! Stop watching toooooo much US TV.

I did say 'Mastet whinger', didn't I?!

But anyway, thanks for the re-whing to prove my point.
(Tom L'Orizi, 16 April 2020 12:36)

Gee this must have taken hours to prepare LOL. What a buffoon.

(View from the uk, 15 April 2020 09:26)

Master whinger!

There is plenty of circumstantial evidence out there that this virus came out of a lab in Wuhan
(Thomas, 15 April 2020 21:29)

Can you please provide two specific pieces of this circumstantial evidence?
The sequence of the virus SARS-CoV2 has now been well studied and reported across the world and the divergence of the sequence is consistent with natural evolution from previously sequenced coronaviruses. A “lab engineered” virus would incorporate chimeric sequences that any virology student graduate student would easily recognize. Thomas: there are no allelic variations consistent with lab engineering. So what circumstantial evidence do you have?

@(Zhukov, 16 April 2020 12:11)

I am not convinced it was "Engineered" but I do believed it accidentally leaked out of thaht lab that was less than a kilometere from the wet market, which it turns out does NOT sell bats.

A lot to digest here:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs/


(View from UK)

I read Perkins' Economic Hitman book over 15 years ago, and I agree, the US's record on supporting dictators when it advances their business interests is not good. It's one of the reasons that I put my feet where my mouth is and renounced my citizenship. If you like Hitman you should also read Smoke and Mirrors by Dan Baum about the idiotic war on drugs.

But as phony as the US may be, the Chinese do not even hide it. It is run by rotten dictators to the core and do not value human life. If I ran Serbia or the US I would cut off all ties with China, and many other dictatorships 100%.

Have to deal with them, fine I guess. It's reality. But no reason to whore yourselves out so much taht you celebrate them.

Thomas, whatever you think about the virus, you and I do not know the truth. We may never know, but no doubt it will be used as a political tool.
As for Chinas human rights, yes, agreed. But tell me a major country that has a good record. When you compare the US to China there is only one winner. As Jimmy Carter said last year the US is the most warlike nation in the history of the world. Countless millions have lost their lives because of America enforcing "democracy". On the other hand China has not fired a single shot against a sovereign nation since 1979.
America has destroyed economies, countries and is responsible for 10s of millions of deaths all over the world.
Now here you are talking about human rights....lol.
Here you are accusing China of hiding the virus. Listening to the news today here its accepted that we underestimated the whole issue, slow to react, etc. We were even watching premier lg football only a month ago.... and we knew about the danger in dec/jan.
Wake up to the propaganda and BS.

(Thomas, 16 April 2020 19:56)

Your convinced it was "Engineered"…How are you convinced? What by media article(s)? Look I have several articles written by people who were convinced that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Why Tony Blair had an intelligence dossier saying the same – naturally all proven to be utter BS.

So please list your experiences with dealing with China to know they are run by rotten dictators that do not value human life. Perhaps you might tell us how many years you have lived in China or had dealings there.
Which other dictatorships are you talking about? The US has had 2 political parties running the country for now 180 years and you can’t be elected President unless you run on a Democrat or Republican ticket, then you don’t vote for the candidate but the Electoral College who then appoint a President, so I suppose this is democracy.
The US history on human rights is abysmal and I can list them but we are only limited to 1500 words.
Last year the US was declared the best prepared country in the world for a pandemic but shown to be 100% pure BS.
Love to hear your explanation but I guess your source of information on China comes from CNN Fox or NY Times. Old Chinese proverb say “If you sit on brains too long you get sore arse”.

Tom O'So Simple............yep, its what I expected from someone like you....... No debate, no thought, just insults..... That shows a lack of grey cells between the ears and a sheep mentality.
I say again.....nobody knows where this virus came from. FACT.
There have been many such viruses in the past few hundred years. FACT. So a pandemic virus is nothing new to mankind.
But of course US ass kissers like you have to blame someone. And its got to be China, Russia or Serbia. Right...??
I am not blaming anybody for this dreadful virus because I dont know where it emerged, or who is to blame (if anyone). And you dont know either...FACT.
Perhaps, just perhaps, you may be able to debate the points of issue. But it seems that simpletons like you are a waste of media space.

As for China keeping quiet about the danger of coronavirus let me ask you this, the west knew about it by january, and still did little to prepare. Your view???
(View from the uk, 15 April 2020 09:26)

My view that it emerged in China and the West did little to prepare for it due misrepresentation the Chinese Communist Party spread to WHO.

Not enough. The Taiwanese spy satellites detected unusual activity in crematoriums of Wuhan as early as October-November 2019. They reported this to WHO, waring about a possible pandemic originating from Wuhan.
WHO did not pay attention because of political (Taiwan - Mainland) disputes.
Since they depend on Chinese payments, taking Taiwan seriously could mean (mainland) Chinese blackmail. Such things do happen on a regular bases, it was to be expect.

The most interesting source is precisely a “twit” from WHO.

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152


Literally:

"Jan 14
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China🇨🇳"

The Taiwanese accusations are all over Taiwanese news in English, google on the Taiwan Times and such.

It is firm: as early as January 14 the (mainland) Chinese government provided a clear disinformation, by intent.
This makes them (the Communist Party of China) 100% guilty.

View from the UK,

CNN is NOT saying it came from a lab in China, that comes from much more independent media. I don't get any of the other networks you referenced because I live in Serbia.

There is plenty of circumstantial evidence out there that this virus came out of a lab in Wuhan, probably accidentally, but it is well documented that they were doing research on corona viruses from bats.

Regarding the Iraq war I don't know where that came from, I was against it. I am against all US meddling in other people's business. That's one of the reasons I left and legally renounced my US citizenship.

Are you denying that the Chinese Communist Party detained doctors that tried to warn people about this virus? Are you denying that the CCP's record on human rights is atrocious?

Thomas, I say again that you, like me, have no idea where the virus came from, how it started, etc.
Western outlets will of course blame China for this. But its possible that this was manufactured in a lab in the US, or a lab in China, or a third country. Its most probably a virus that just appeared that everyone underestimated. Viruses are not new in the history of the world, you know this.
Seems that your beef is that China did not let the world know how dangerous the virus can be, right?
Perhaps the Chinese didnt know themselves...? Certainly by early january every government knew of this virus, and did little/nothing.
You think things would be different if China said in november how dangerous the virus can be??
As for Iraq, I used it as an example of "democratic" western lies. This lie saw over half a million Iraqi children die as a result. So, the point is that every government lies, lets out propaganda, etc. Didnt the US spy on Germany recently? Listening to conversations, etc, ??? But when China or Russia do the same thing its proof of blah, blah, blah.

Thomas, I am no friend of communism or any dictatorship. I used to think like you. But I am of an age now, have read a lot from all sources. When you have time please read some of the following....
John Perkins, "Confessions of an Economic Hitman". You can google him and watch him speak. Read Michael Parenti, "To Kill a Nation". Read the works and views of John Pilger, Nora Beloff, some of the views of Tony Benn, etc.
It may give you a different view on things. On how the world operates. Who benefits, the lies, propaganda, etc.
The US has no interest in upholding demacracy. Look at their support of S Arabia. They upheld a right wing Punochet in Chile who tortured and murdered thousands. Many other examples. So please dont talk about democracy, truth and justice. That crap only exists on paper and in Hollywood.
This virus is deadful. But dont follow the masses. I dont know the truth behind it and neither do you. Wait and see what happens, and who benefits.....

Thomas, to conclude........
We all know that the US has started a trade war with China. Its been going on a few years now, right?
I think its clear that China is a sùperpower in many ways. Its obvious that the US can not defeat China in the trade war, and neither will they defeat them on the battle field (which has been Americas usual course of action). Chinese can live on a bowl of rice a day. Americans cant.
How convenient would it be to blame this virus on China? How convenient would it be to get the world to sanction China when this pandemic is over? How convenient would it be to destroy the Chinese economy and put thfm back 50/60 years? Would this not mean the US wins "the trade war"??
We see the Americans so worried about human life and the dreadful virus, right? But they were not worried about millions of deaths of civilians in Afghanista, Iraq, Libya, etc??? They were not worried about democracy in Chile. They are not worried about democracy in S Arabia. Many other examples, but you get the point..?
I dont know if the above is a fact, but its a conveniant theory, dont you think??

(View from the uk, 15 April 2020 16:07)

I did say 'Mastet whinger', didn't I?!

But anyway, thanks for the re-whing to prove my point.

I did say 'Mastet whinger', didn't I?!
But anyway, thanks for the re-whing to prove my point.
(Tom L'Orizi, 16 April 2020 12:36)

Tom L’O-Rice-for-Brains should check the dose on his lithium. His chronic delusional rants have once again impacted his English language comprehension and composition. The word ‘Mastet’ is not a recognized noun, and the Rice-for-brains reference to a “re-whing” has little Tomy troll confused about the definition of “whing”.
Now little Tomy troll, hush off and sulk in your corner, while we continue to mock you.

Tom L’O-Rice-for-Brains should check the dose on his lithium. His chronic delusional rants have once again impacted his English language comprehension and composition. The word ‘Mastet’ is not a recognized noun, and the Rice-for-brains reference to a “re-whing” has little Tomy troll confused about the definition of “whing”.
Now little Tomy troll, hush off and sulk in your corner, while we continue to mock you.
(Zhukov, 16 April 2020 19:16)

I genuinely believed that no one can out-whing  VFtUK, but my new-favoured, the reluctant Serb Šugav itching to be Russian (Чесоточный) proved me wrong!

I do believed it accidentally leaked out of thaht lab that was less than a kilometere from the wet market, which it turns out does NOT sell bats.
A lot to digest here: link
(Thomas, 16 April 2020 19:56)

There is not one crumb of science to nibble on and nothing whatsoever to digest. If a lab that was amplifying and propagating the virus, was the source of the infection and “leaked” the virus, then many in the institute would have become infected, given the high transmission rate and the concentration of viral stocks that are generated in lab growth cultures. A “leak” of lab culture viral titer stock would not only affect one person as your “you tube” conspiracy claims, but would infect most in the institute.
Please do tell us how many scientists were synchronously infected during your conspiratorial “leak”. If you believe that a “leak” of concentrated viral lab stock among an entire institute of scientist only infects one person, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

reluctant Serb Šugav itching to be Russian (Чесоточный) proved me wrong!
(Tom L'Orizi, 17 April 2020 01:53)

You prove yourself wrong with every one of your delusional posts. Imaginary bogeymen who are all Serbs apparently plaque your deranged and bigoted mind. Time again to readjust your dose of lithium.

(Zhukov, 17 April 2020 16:10)
(Zhukov, 17 April 2020 02:03)

I notice, Mr Šugav knows a thing or two about the itch spread!!! His itch urge was so strong - he had to post the same hallucination twice.

I wonder, him being in a rush, he must have typed the whole thing two times!?

There is plenty of circumstantial evidence out there that this virus came out of a lab in Wuhan
(Thomas, 15 April 2020 21:29)

Can you please provide two specific pieces of this circumstantial evidence?
The sequence of the virus SARS-CoV2 has now been well studied and reported across the world and the divergence of the sequence is consistent with natural evolution from previously sequenced coronaviruses. A “lab engineered” virus would incorporate chimeric sequences that any virology student graduate student would easily recognize. Thomas: there are no allelic variations consistent with lab engineering. So what circumstantial evidence do you have?

I do believed it accidentally leaked out of thaht lab that was less than a kilometere from the wet market, which it turns out does NOT sell bats.
A lot to digest here: link
(Thomas, 16 April 2020 19:56)

There is not one crumb of science to nibble on and nothing whatsoever to digest. If a lab that was amplifying and propagating the virus, was the source of the infection and “leaked” the virus, then many in the institute would have become infected, given the high transmission rate and the concentration of viral stocks that are generated in lab growth cultures. A “leak” of lab culture viral titer stock would not only affect one person as your “you tube” conspiracy claims, but would infect most in the institute.
Please do tell us how many scientists were synchronously infected during your conspiratorial “leak”. If you believe that a “leak” of concentrated viral lab stock among an entire institute of scientist only infects one person, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Master whinger!
(Tom L'Orizi, 15 April 2020 13:49)

Another one with no brains and happy without them LOL.

Master whinger!
(Tom L'Orizi, 15 April 2020 13:49)

The troll that is bursting at the seams to say something but its always meaningless drivel.

Ok, let's assume the virus did NOT leak from a lab, and let's assume the Chinese are great people when it comes to human rights etc.

Whether the US is great on human rights, or the worst people in the world really has nothing to do with this conversation. I don't know why so many conversations here deteriorate into that. More often than US bashing, (I am no fan of the US), most conversations here turn into Kosovo bashing. A story called "It's going to rain all week." Followed by comments like, "You idiots down there can laugh all you want, you will never have a true country."

But I digress.

One simple question.

True or False?

The Chinese Government detained and threatened doctors and other healthcare providers in the know who tried to warn people about this virus in December. They actually arrested doctors for this.

True or False.

if true, tell me why these people should ever be thanked for anything.

The sooner the world turns its back on China the better.
(Thomas, 14 April 2020 23:03)

what you asked Russia for:

https://tinyurl.com/ya2e8yj7

Quite unexpected, right?

But if you pay attention - nothing there, but "Fox" as a source.

If you follow the fox-link within the Russian source, you land here:

https://tinyurl.com/uw2fz3q

The majority of the readers of the first source have at best elementary or below-than-that English skills, let's not talk about the Russian skills of the readers of Fox.

But here is something to note: Fox does not say, they have any proof.

All is a vague:

"multiple sources who have been briefed on the details of early actions by China's government and seen relevant materials tell Fox News.

This may be the "costliest government coverup of all time," one of the sources said.

The sources believe the initial transmission of the virus was bat-to-human, and that "patient zero" worked at the laboratory, then went into the population in Wuhan."


In addition, I did not see a single Taiwanese source claiming other, than natural evolution of the virus.

What is said here is not interesting as a fact because no fact is mentioned - but that Fox supports this idea without any fact and rbc.ru picked that news from Fox, of course knowing that there is nothing factual behind it.

I would just stop at a list where is Xi with CCP + M'land Chinese business to blame regarding COVID-19 and predatory business in general.

There is plenty of circumstantial evidence out there that this virus came out of a lab in Wuhan, probably accidentally, but it is well documented that they were doing research on corona viruses from bats.
(Thomas, 15 April 2020 21:29)

The virus is way dirtier than what you would expect from an artificial creation.
Explanation. If I am working on a project I will never add unnecessary crap to the code just because I am fancy doing it. Engineers are always under time pressure and very often frustrated with the (lack) of the results they want.

Adding unnecessary sh*t to the structure of that virus the way it is would be crazy.
Accept the fact: the virus most likely came out natural way.

====

I am against all US meddling in other people's business. That's one of the reasons I left and legally renounced my US citizenship.
(Thomas, 15 April 2020 21:29)

Sorry to med in your business - but if you are disagreeing with a country's government politically and as a result renouncing it's citizenship - than you should become a stateless on this Planet.

And in addition to that you limit not only your own opportunities to have a job, but also of your spouse or children. And they may not agree with your views.

The Communist dictator should only come to apologize for China's lies about this virus form the beginning.

They denied anything was going on the first few months and even went so far as to jail doctors who tried to warn the world.

Even now they are banning research on the origins of the virus, but the truth will come out.

They are like an arsonist who offers to help extinguish a fire they started. The sooner the world turns its back on China the better.

China, along with Russia, helped Serbia, in the time of great need, more than the empty words and few Euros the disintegrating EU offered. Friends are people who help you in time of need, and in good times, not with distant and hollow phone calls with words that have no meaning or value.

Thomas, oh dear me. What a load of rubbish from you. You have just repeated the same tired lines that the likes of CNN, ABC, BBC, etc have fed you.
Let me tell you.....there is no firm evidence that the virus even started in China. I have read many theories. Namely, it was produced in a lab in China, in a lab in America, it came about because of a market in China, etc. Nobody really knows. I will not accuse anybody until real facts are known.
As for China keeping quiet about the danger of coronavirus let me ask you this, the west knew about it by january, and still did little to prepare. Your view???
A horrid virus emerges from time to time. Spanish flu in 1918/20 killed countless people. Some say it emerged in Kentucky, USA. But nobody really knows. I am not accusing anyone but you seem to have all the answers from CNN, etc.
Is that not the same media that sold you the idea that Iraq had WMDs...??
You Thomas, are easily brainwashed and that is dangerous. Its the likes of you that will support the destruction of China and its economy. Just like you supported the destruction of Iraq. Don't that suit America???

They are like an arsonist who offers to help extinguish a fire they started. The sooner the world turns its back on China the better.
(Thomas, 14 April 2020 23:03)

No brain and happy without it too! Stop watching toooooo much US TV.

(Zhukov, 17 April 2020 16:10)
(Zhukov, 17 April 2020 02:03)

I notice, Mr Šugav knows a thing or two about the itch spread!!! His itch urge was so strong - he had to post the same hallucination twice.

I wonder, him being in a rush, he must have typed the whole thing two times!?

(View from the uk, 15 April 2020 09:26)

Master whinger!

I did say 'Mastet whinger', didn't I?!

But anyway, thanks for the re-whing to prove my point.
(Tom L'Orizi, 16 April 2020 12:36)

Gee this must have taken hours to prepare LOL. What a buffoon.

reluctant Serb Šugav itching to be Russian (Чесоточный) proved me wrong!
(Tom L'Orizi, 17 April 2020 01:53)

You prove yourself wrong with every one of your delusional posts. Imaginary bogeymen who are all Serbs apparently plaque your deranged and bigoted mind. Time again to readjust your dose of lithium.

I hope, he will be there at the time the curfew in Europe is over and Serbia has an abundance of over-ripe, rotten tomatoes.

Master whinger!
(Tom L'Orizi, 15 April 2020 13:49)

Another one with no brains and happy without them LOL.

Master whinger!
(Tom L'Orizi, 15 April 2020 13:49)

The troll that is bursting at the seams to say something but its always meaningless drivel.

View from the UK,

CNN is NOT saying it came from a lab in China, that comes from much more independent media. I don't get any of the other networks you referenced because I live in Serbia.

There is plenty of circumstantial evidence out there that this virus came out of a lab in Wuhan, probably accidentally, but it is well documented that they were doing research on corona viruses from bats.

Regarding the Iraq war I don't know where that came from, I was against it. I am against all US meddling in other people's business. That's one of the reasons I left and legally renounced my US citizenship.

Are you denying that the Chinese Communist Party detained doctors that tried to warn people about this virus? Are you denying that the CCP's record on human rights is atrocious?

There is plenty of circumstantial evidence out there that this virus came out of a lab in Wuhan, probably accidentally, but it is well documented that they were doing research on corona viruses from bats.
(Thomas, 15 April 2020 21:29)

The virus is way dirtier than what you would expect from an artificial creation.
Explanation. If I am working on a project I will never add unnecessary crap to the code just because I am fancy doing it. Engineers are always under time pressure and very often frustrated with the (lack) of the results they want.

Adding unnecessary sh*t to the structure of that virus the way it is would be crazy.
Accept the fact: the virus most likely came out natural way.

====

I am against all US meddling in other people's business. That's one of the reasons I left and legally renounced my US citizenship.
(Thomas, 15 April 2020 21:29)

Sorry to med in your business - but if you are disagreeing with a country's government politically and as a result renouncing it's citizenship - than you should become a stateless on this Planet.

And in addition to that you limit not only your own opportunities to have a job, but also of your spouse or children. And they may not agree with your views.

There is plenty of circumstantial evidence out there that this virus came out of a lab in Wuhan
(Thomas, 15 April 2020 21:29)

Can you please provide two specific pieces of this circumstantial evidence?
The sequence of the virus SARS-CoV2 has now been well studied and reported across the world and the divergence of the sequence is consistent with natural evolution from previously sequenced coronaviruses. A “lab engineered” virus would incorporate chimeric sequences that any virology student graduate student would easily recognize. Thomas: there are no allelic variations consistent with lab engineering. So what circumstantial evidence do you have?

(View from the uk, 15 April 2020 16:07)

I did say 'Mastet whinger', didn't I?!

But anyway, thanks for the re-whing to prove my point.

There is plenty of circumstantial evidence out there that this virus came out of a lab in Wuhan
(Thomas, 15 April 2020 21:29)

Can you please provide two specific pieces of this circumstantial evidence?
The sequence of the virus SARS-CoV2 has now been well studied and reported across the world and the divergence of the sequence is consistent with natural evolution from previously sequenced coronaviruses. A “lab engineered” virus would incorporate chimeric sequences that any virology student graduate student would easily recognize. Thomas: there are no allelic variations consistent with lab engineering. So what circumstantial evidence do you have?

Thomas, I say again that you, like me, have no idea where the virus came from, how it started, etc.
Western outlets will of course blame China for this. But its possible that this was manufactured in a lab in the US, or a lab in China, or a third country. Its most probably a virus that just appeared that everyone underestimated. Viruses are not new in the history of the world, you know this.
Seems that your beef is that China did not let the world know how dangerous the virus can be, right?
Perhaps the Chinese didnt know themselves...? Certainly by early january every government knew of this virus, and did little/nothing.
You think things would be different if China said in november how dangerous the virus can be??
As for Iraq, I used it as an example of "democratic" western lies. This lie saw over half a million Iraqi children die as a result. So, the point is that every government lies, lets out propaganda, etc. Didnt the US spy on Germany recently? Listening to conversations, etc, ??? But when China or Russia do the same thing its proof of blah, blah, blah.

Thomas, I am no friend of communism or any dictatorship. I used to think like you. But I am of an age now, have read a lot from all sources. When you have time please read some of the following....
John Perkins, "Confessions of an Economic Hitman". You can google him and watch him speak. Read Michael Parenti, "To Kill a Nation". Read the works and views of John Pilger, Nora Beloff, some of the views of Tony Benn, etc.
It may give you a different view on things. On how the world operates. Who benefits, the lies, propaganda, etc.
The US has no interest in upholding demacracy. Look at their support of S Arabia. They upheld a right wing Punochet in Chile who tortured and murdered thousands. Many other examples. So please dont talk about democracy, truth and justice. That crap only exists on paper and in Hollywood.
This virus is deadful. But dont follow the masses. I dont know the truth behind it and neither do you. Wait and see what happens, and who benefits.....

Thomas, to conclude........
We all know that the US has started a trade war with China. Its been going on a few years now, right?
I think its clear that China is a sùperpower in many ways. Its obvious that the US can not defeat China in the trade war, and neither will they defeat them on the battle field (which has been Americas usual course of action). Chinese can live on a bowl of rice a day. Americans cant.
How convenient would it be to blame this virus on China? How convenient would it be to get the world to sanction China when this pandemic is over? How convenient would it be to destroy the Chinese economy and put thfm back 50/60 years? Would this not mean the US wins "the trade war"??
We see the Americans so worried about human life and the dreadful virus, right? But they were not worried about millions of deaths of civilians in Afghanista, Iraq, Libya, etc??? They were not worried about democracy in Chile. They are not worried about democracy in S Arabia. Many other examples, but you get the point..?
I dont know if the above is a fact, but its a conveniant theory, dont you think??

The sooner the world turns its back on China the better.
(Thomas, 14 April 2020 23:03)

what you asked Russia for:

https://tinyurl.com/ya2e8yj7

Quite unexpected, right?

But if you pay attention - nothing there, but "Fox" as a source.

If you follow the fox-link within the Russian source, you land here:

https://tinyurl.com/uw2fz3q

The majority of the readers of the first source have at best elementary or below-than-that English skills, let's not talk about the Russian skills of the readers of Fox.

But here is something to note: Fox does not say, they have any proof.

All is a vague:

"multiple sources who have been briefed on the details of early actions by China's government and seen relevant materials tell Fox News.

This may be the "costliest government coverup of all time," one of the sources said.

The sources believe the initial transmission of the virus was bat-to-human, and that "patient zero" worked at the laboratory, then went into the population in Wuhan."


In addition, I did not see a single Taiwanese source claiming other, than natural evolution of the virus.

What is said here is not interesting as a fact because no fact is mentioned - but that Fox supports this idea without any fact and rbc.ru picked that news from Fox, of course knowing that there is nothing factual behind it.

I would just stop at a list where is Xi with CCP + M'land Chinese business to blame regarding COVID-19 and predatory business in general.

I did say 'Mastet whinger', didn't I?!
But anyway, thanks for the re-whing to prove my point.
(Tom L'Orizi, 16 April 2020 12:36)

Tom L’O-Rice-for-Brains should check the dose on his lithium. His chronic delusional rants have once again impacted his English language comprehension and composition. The word ‘Mastet’ is not a recognized noun, and the Rice-for-brains reference to a “re-whing” has little Tomy troll confused about the definition of “whing”.
Now little Tomy troll, hush off and sulk in your corner, while we continue to mock you.

@(Zhukov, 16 April 2020 12:11)

I am not convinced it was "Engineered" but I do believed it accidentally leaked out of thaht lab that was less than a kilometere from the wet market, which it turns out does NOT sell bats.

A lot to digest here:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-china-trail-leading-back-to-wuhan-labs/


(View from UK)

I read Perkins' Economic Hitman book over 15 years ago, and I agree, the US's record on supporting dictators when it advances their business interests is not good. It's one of the reasons that I put my feet where my mouth is and renounced my citizenship. If you like Hitman you should also read Smoke and Mirrors by Dan Baum about the idiotic war on drugs.

But as phony as the US may be, the Chinese do not even hide it. It is run by rotten dictators to the core and do not value human life. If I ran Serbia or the US I would cut off all ties with China, and many other dictatorships 100%.

Have to deal with them, fine I guess. It's reality. But no reason to whore yourselves out so much taht you celebrate them.

Tom L’O-Rice-for-Brains should check the dose on his lithium. His chronic delusional rants have once again impacted his English language comprehension and composition. The word ‘Mastet’ is not a recognized noun, and the Rice-for-brains reference to a “re-whing” has little Tomy troll confused about the definition of “whing”.
Now little Tomy troll, hush off and sulk in your corner, while we continue to mock you.
(Zhukov, 16 April 2020 19:16)

I genuinely believed that no one can out-whing  VFtUK, but my new-favoured, the reluctant Serb Šugav itching to be Russian (Чесоточный) proved me wrong!

I do believed it accidentally leaked out of thaht lab that was less than a kilometere from the wet market, which it turns out does NOT sell bats.
A lot to digest here: link
(Thomas, 16 April 2020 19:56)

There is not one crumb of science to nibble on and nothing whatsoever to digest. If a lab that was amplifying and propagating the virus, was the source of the infection and “leaked” the virus, then many in the institute would have become infected, given the high transmission rate and the concentration of viral stocks that are generated in lab growth cultures. A “leak” of lab culture viral titer stock would not only affect one person as your “you tube” conspiracy claims, but would infect most in the institute.
Please do tell us how many scientists were synchronously infected during your conspiratorial “leak”. If you believe that a “leak” of concentrated viral lab stock among an entire institute of scientist only infects one person, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Thomas, whatever you think about the virus, you and I do not know the truth. We may never know, but no doubt it will be used as a political tool.
As for Chinas human rights, yes, agreed. But tell me a major country that has a good record. When you compare the US to China there is only one winner. As Jimmy Carter said last year the US is the most warlike nation in the history of the world. Countless millions have lost their lives because of America enforcing "democracy". On the other hand China has not fired a single shot against a sovereign nation since 1979.
America has destroyed economies, countries and is responsible for 10s of millions of deaths all over the world.
Now here you are talking about human rights....lol.
Here you are accusing China of hiding the virus. Listening to the news today here its accepted that we underestimated the whole issue, slow to react, etc. We were even watching premier lg football only a month ago.... and we knew about the danger in dec/jan.
Wake up to the propaganda and BS.

(Thomas, 16 April 2020 19:56)

Your convinced it was "Engineered"…How are you convinced? What by media article(s)? Look I have several articles written by people who were convinced that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Why Tony Blair had an intelligence dossier saying the same – naturally all proven to be utter BS.

So please list your experiences with dealing with China to know they are run by rotten dictators that do not value human life. Perhaps you might tell us how many years you have lived in China or had dealings there.
Which other dictatorships are you talking about? The US has had 2 political parties running the country for now 180 years and you can’t be elected President unless you run on a Democrat or Republican ticket, then you don’t vote for the candidate but the Electoral College who then appoint a President, so I suppose this is democracy.
The US history on human rights is abysmal and I can list them but we are only limited to 1500 words.
Last year the US was declared the best prepared country in the world for a pandemic but shown to be 100% pure BS.
Love to hear your explanation but I guess your source of information on China comes from CNN Fox or NY Times. Old Chinese proverb say “If you sit on brains too long you get sore arse”.

Ok, let's assume the virus did NOT leak from a lab, and let's assume the Chinese are great people when it comes to human rights etc.

Whether the US is great on human rights, or the worst people in the world really has nothing to do with this conversation. I don't know why so many conversations here deteriorate into that. More often than US bashing, (I am no fan of the US), most conversations here turn into Kosovo bashing. A story called "It's going to rain all week." Followed by comments like, "You idiots down there can laugh all you want, you will never have a true country."

But I digress.

One simple question.

True or False?

The Chinese Government detained and threatened doctors and other healthcare providers in the know who tried to warn people about this virus in December. They actually arrested doctors for this.

True or False.

if true, tell me why these people should ever be thanked for anything.

Tom O'So Simple............yep, its what I expected from someone like you....... No debate, no thought, just insults..... That shows a lack of grey cells between the ears and a sheep mentality.
I say again.....nobody knows where this virus came from. FACT.
There have been many such viruses in the past few hundred years. FACT. So a pandemic virus is nothing new to mankind.
But of course US ass kissers like you have to blame someone. And its got to be China, Russia or Serbia. Right...??
I am not blaming anybody for this dreadful virus because I dont know where it emerged, or who is to blame (if anyone). And you dont know either...FACT.
Perhaps, just perhaps, you may be able to debate the points of issue. But it seems that simpletons like you are a waste of media space.

I do believed it accidentally leaked out of thaht lab that was less than a kilometere from the wet market, which it turns out does NOT sell bats.
A lot to digest here: link
(Thomas, 16 April 2020 19:56)

There is not one crumb of science to nibble on and nothing whatsoever to digest. If a lab that was amplifying and propagating the virus, was the source of the infection and “leaked” the virus, then many in the institute would have become infected, given the high transmission rate and the concentration of viral stocks that are generated in lab growth cultures. A “leak” of lab culture viral titer stock would not only affect one person as your “you tube” conspiracy claims, but would infect most in the institute.
Please do tell us how many scientists were synchronously infected during your conspiratorial “leak”. If you believe that a “leak” of concentrated viral lab stock among an entire institute of scientist only infects one person, then I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

As for China keeping quiet about the danger of coronavirus let me ask you this, the west knew about it by january, and still did little to prepare. Your view???
(View from the uk, 15 April 2020 09:26)

My view that it emerged in China and the West did little to prepare for it due misrepresentation the Chinese Communist Party spread to WHO.

Not enough. The Taiwanese spy satellites detected unusual activity in crematoriums of Wuhan as early as October-November 2019. They reported this to WHO, waring about a possible pandemic originating from Wuhan.
WHO did not pay attention because of political (Taiwan - Mainland) disputes.
Since they depend on Chinese payments, taking Taiwan seriously could mean (mainland) Chinese blackmail. Such things do happen on a regular bases, it was to be expect.

The most interesting source is precisely a “twit” from WHO.

https://twitter.com/WHO/status/1217043229427761152


Literally:

"Jan 14
Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China🇨🇳"

The Taiwanese accusations are all over Taiwanese news in English, google on the Taiwan Times and such.

It is firm: as early as January 14 the (mainland) Chinese government provided a clear disinformation, by intent.
This makes them (the Communist Party of China) 100% guilty.