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The ultimatum "we cannot accept, but we must not refuse": Kosovo in exchange for EU

Serbian President Aleksandar Vucic said, being hosted on the Morning program of Prva TV, that Russian President Vladimir Putin advised him to buy "Pantsir S1"

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Peggy

pre 4 godine

Until the fake Serb MSG reconciles his lies with the facts that exist in real Serbia, our lying troll can continue “passing” Jagodina and “passing” gas stations selling gasoline to “no one” in MSG’s stupid charades.
(Zhukov, 26 February 2020 12:31)
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Sounds like a lot of "passing" work.

Academy of Mocking the Albo Trolls

pre 4 godine

Until the fake Serb MSG reconciles his lies with the facts that exist in real Serbia, our lying troll can continue “passing” Jagodina and “passing” gas stations selling gasoline to “no one” in MSG’s stupid charades.
(Zhukov, 26 February 2020 12:31)

Well said, well written and deserved of an award for the best shaming of MSG.

Zhukov

pre 4 godine

I pass Jagodina when I go to Belgrade.
(Make Serbia Great, 26 February 2020 09:50)

no one here has the extra cash to enjoy the less noise that comes from a gasoline engine.
(Make Serbia Great, 9 December 2019 19:57)

When MSG’s finger “passes Jagodina” in Google street view on the way to Belgrade, the shameful fake Serb MSG, should reconcile his hallucinogenic view of Serbia with real streets in Serbia that have real cars, driven by real Serbs, that consume real gasoline. In direct contradiction to the fake Serb MSG’s lies, there exists a real company called Naftna Industrija Srbije (abbr. NIS) that refines real crude oil to produce real gasoline in their real refinery, in real Pancevo. This real product is sold in real gas stations, that the fake Serb ignores in his Google street views of Serbia. In real Serbia, the real gasoline sold in real Serbian fuel stations is used by real Serbs and is plainly visible to truthful people in the real world who drive the real roads of Serbia.
Until the fake Serb MSG reconciles his lies with the facts that exist in real Serbia, our lying troll can continue “passing” Jagodina and “passing” gas stations selling gasoline to “no one” in MSG’s stupid charades.

sj

pre 4 godine

Yes, its important to add "in Serbia" because foreigners like sj might not realize that it is in Serbia rather than Tanzania. I pass Jagodina when I go to Belgrade. Sj only "passes" Jagodina in his dreams.
(Make Serbia Great, 26 February 2020 09:50)

B92 resident clown has spoken LOL. Have you talked to you doctor about the medication to stop all those hallucinations and delusions your are suffering from and make sure you tell the medico about your 3 farms and thousands of people you employ.

Make Serbia Great

pre 4 godine

I live near Jagodina in Serbia, and you are 100 percent right ,SJ )))
(Sasha from near Jagodina, 26 February 2020 07:17)

Yes, its important to add "in Serbia" because foreigners like sj might not realize that it is in Serbia rather than Tanzania. I pass Jagodina when I go to Belgrade. Sj only "passes" Jagodina in his dreams.

sj

pre 4 godine

(Looker, 25 February 2020 13:44)

Fair question, but tell me where can you live better? It’s 2020 and things are not better outside Serbia. In the US perhaps?
IMF report of 2019 said rich became richer while the poor got nothing.
80% of all fulltime working Americans live from pay day to pay day.
71% of total Americans who are employed fulltime are in debt.
In New York, 1 in 3 workers are on Medicare.
102 million Americans capable of working and seek work have no jobs.
70% do not have $1,000 in savings.
Real level of unemployment is 20.9% not 3.2%.
Why are there strikes in France? Unrest in other parts of Europe?
Let’s look at my home, Australia. If you want to live in Sydney/Melbourne the average home is now $1.2 million, but utility, food prices etc are all up on last year while wages have remained stagnant for a decade.
UK maybe? Well the median salary today is just under £25,000 but up from $22,000 in 2016. Taking into consideration tax and real inflation your going backwards while the politicians tell people they have never had it better.
It’s the world not just in Serbia.

Sasha from near Jagodina

pre 4 godine

Jonathan (an American forwarded to Prokuplje), 24 February 2020 06:28)

Perhaps you should look at your US democratic elections then come here and talk about fairness. I am always amazed how people like you find faults in the Serbian politics but are in awe of what the US does.

I am not a member of any political party in Serbia nor do I like too many politicians for that matter but the current rules were set in by Boris Tadic and his party who were appointed by the west to govern Serbia and during that time it was illegal to hold demonstrations against the government. Yet under Vucic you can do exactly just that, ask Jeremic if you don’t believe me.
If you are really in Serbia, do you think there is only one free to air TV station? RTS? Watch another station.
If the locals complain about unfairness there is one solution; on election day vote Vucic out.
(sj, 24 February 2020 11:51)

I live near Jagodina in Serbia, and you are 100 percent right ,SJ )))

Concerned Albanian

pre 4 godine

Serbia needs to consolidate its position in the Balkans. The land mass of Serbia dwarfs the state of Kosovo. Recognition will open up many opportunities in the region. The sphere of influence has shifted for the time being.

Peggy

pre 4 godine

We cannot keep pretending Serbia is advancing and close to being self sufficient. How many Serbs living and working can say they have a good life, with a bright future? I think we all know what the response will be! How long can we go on living this way. How has Russia helped Serbia?
(Looker, 25 February 2020 13:44
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How many people in any country can say they have a bright future?
Seriously, how many? What, you think that Americans have a bright future? Yes some who have decent jobs and decent health insurance. Same goes for Serbs. How many have lost their homes in the US because they got sick and the medical insurance wasn't enough or just didn't have any and had to sell everything to pay for their care?
Russia has been of great help to Serbia. Without Russia we would already have capitulated, recognised Kosovo and even thanked the Yanks for it.
We would've lost all our heritage there and Serbs in Kosovo would be gone by now.
The only think stopping all this is the Russian VETO.
Stop watching soapies like Friends. That's entertainment not real life in the US or anywhere for most people.

Владимир Владимирович

pre 4 godine

In the meantime, ppl receiving 400 euro salaries in Serbia and the country is bleeding dry.
(Comment, 24 February 2020 10:15)

Please write me an essay why every Kosovar bus transits through Hungary one direction full, the other direction empty.

If you write a good essay you will get a 33 Рубля one-time salary bonus.
If we, in Лубянка building, I mean "WE" do not approve your essay, Малюта Скуратов will come to you and make his argument, hitting the nail on your head.

I hope for the best regarding your future. Two good essays are almost a large jar of red caviar, yummy!

Looker

pre 4 godine

We cannot keep pretending Serbia is advancing and close to being self sufficient. How many Serbs living and working can say they have a good life, with a bright future? I think we all know what the response will be! How long can we go on living this way. How has Russia helped Serbia?

sj

pre 4 godine

(Comment, 24 February 2020 10:15)

Watch and learn little Albo. Brussels will do just that – grovel LOL.
Croatia is poor, but if not why have over 21% left that country to live elsewhere? What? Croatia is so filthy rich Croats need a little hardship LOL????
I’m sure you all recall how Croats used to boast how Croatia was the financial backbone of Yugoslavia, but today they say money from the EU after Brexit is insufficient to sustain them. How does that happen???????? Rich one day, rat shit the next? Its called living in BS land too long.
Perhaps you should go to your Kosova and see how well your lot live there. It’s a fact poverty is on the extreme, but if not tell me how they manage living a good life with jobless well in 70% - if you think it’s only 30% then you also believe the US unemployment is only in the low 3% range LOL.

I have always said Serbia has the best potential of all the former republic of Yugoslavia, and it continues to build its economy. In 2015 the average wage was 250 Euros but in 2019 its 400 Euros and now estimates are 900 Euros by 2024. Not bad considering its a country where they did not have a thing right after 1999.
Out of curiosity how many firms from your allies have opened shop in Kosova? Please list all those firms that have moved there? It’s amazing how your lot never provide an answer to my question LOL.
Try living in reality land for a while.

101

pre 4 godine

Just like when a marriage breaks down, no side really wins (except the lawyers), the same thing happened when Yugoslavia break up, all sides lost big time (including Croatia and Serbia, and even more so there child BiH), but as for Kosovo, it was always treated as the adopted kid at the family function in Yugoslavia, and now grew up to be a dysfunctional adult no one knows what to do with.

sj

pre 4 godine

(Jonathan (an American forwarded to Prokuplje), 24 February 2020 06:28)

Perhaps you should look at your US democratic elections then come here and talk about fairness. I am always amazed how people like you find faults in the Serbian politics but are in awe of what the US does.

I am not a member of any political party in Serbia nor do I like too many politicians for that matter but the current rules were set in by Boris Tadic and his party who were appointed by the west to govern Serbia and during that time it was illegal to hold demonstrations against the government. Yet under Vucic you can do exactly just that ask Jeremic if you don’t believe me.
If you are really in Serbia, do you think there is only one free to air TV station? RTS? Watch another station.
If the locals complain about unfairness there is one solution; on election day vote Vucic out.

Comment

pre 4 godine

(Just saying.., 23 February 2020 15:22)

All Vucic is doing is preparing the Serbian people which he knows they will not trade Kosovo for the EU then he will turn to the EU and say it’s not me or my party but the people that want me to reject joining the EU.
That’s how it works LOL. Psst they never had any intensions of joining under current conditions, but knowing Brussels they will try to come up with a deal – they always end up grovelling.

As far as benefits on joining the EU are concerned, they have dramatically diminished once the UK left. Brussels has already told the Croatia et al that their access to the EU funds are greatly reduced. Croatia has been screaming that funds on offer are insufficient to sustained them. Imagine that eh??? Once Croatia, as they kept on claiming, financially propped up Yugoslavia, but now they can’t even survive on their revenue let alone EU money LOL.
See how BS floats to the surface. Sometimes it takes a while but it always floats to the top LOL.

Meanwhile Albos in Kosova continue to live in greater poverty. Perhaps it time for relatives outside of Kosova to find a second job.
(sj, 24 February 2020 08:09)

Essentially, SJs comment comes down to this; "EU LOL GROVELLING, CROATIA POOR LOL, KOSOVO ALBANIANS POOR LOL. LOL LOL LOL? SERBIA UBER LOL."

In the meantime, ppl receiving 400 euro salaries in Serbia and the country is bleeding dry.

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

For all Albanians here dont get too worked up. I do believe Vucic is under pressure to recognise Kosovo. But he also knows the Serbian public will not accept giving Kosovo away. The people are not stupid and will not accept seeing their land stolen away from them.
As for the EU I think Vucic is aware that the majority of Serbs do not want EU membership and German rule.
As I see it both sides are stuck. Albanians can not do anything if Serbia does not move. This means half the world dont recognise them. They are not a state, no matter what they think. But Albos also know that America will never attack Serbia again. In the meantime Albanians in Kosovo are stuck in poverty, cant attract investment, etc.
I've said it before that a likely outcome is a showdown on the battle field between Albos and Serbs. Russia and China will ensure no American involvment. This will be bad for both sides. Firstly Albanians cannot defeat Serbia, but Serbia will be sanctioned for a long time. But Serbia will regain full control of its lands and Albos either accept they live in Serbia or go back to Albania.

sj

pre 4 godine

(Just saying.., 23 February 2020 15:22)

All Vucic is doing is preparing the Serbian people which he knows they will not trade Kosovo for the EU then he will turn to the EU and say it’s not me or my party but the people that want me to reject joining the EU.
That’s how it works LOL. Psst they never had any intensions of joining under current conditions, but knowing Brussels they will try to come up with a deal – they always end up grovelling.

As far as benefits on joining the EU are concerned, they have dramatically diminished once the UK left. Brussels has already told the Croatia et al that their access to the EU funds are greatly reduced. Croatia has been screaming that funds on offer are insufficient to sustained them. Imagine that eh??? Once Croatia, as they kept on claiming, financially propped up Yugoslavia, but now they can’t even survive on their revenue let alone EU money LOL.
See how BS floats to the surface. Sometimes it takes a while but it always floats to the top LOL.

Meanwhile Albos in Kosova continue to live in greater poverty. Perhaps it time for relatives outside of Kosova to find a second job.

Jonathan (an American forwarded to Prokuplje)

pre 4 godine

I am in Serbia at the moment and am watching the news on RTS. They should re-name the programme "The Alexander Vucic Show", because half of the programme is about his views. What about the opposition? They obviously don't count for Serbian state television...
(Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin), 23 February 2020 19:58)

Finally, someone else is in the country. You're absolutely right in your assessment. Not that I have television but there are enough locals complaining about it that it is almost certainly true.

Justin

pre 4 godine

The West has had Serbia’s number fo over 25 years. They know what makes Serbia tick and are playing them like a violin while gullible Serbia thinks they can manipulate those that bombed them. If that were the case, Serbia would be thriving, not piss poor as it now is, and still in possession of Kosovo.

Valter

pre 4 godine

It is not a matter whether we agree or not to recognize Kosovo. We have no viable choice, we must recognize them. For the last twenty years Serbs have sacrificed much by thinking if we waited it out we could somehow regain our lost province. We were led to believe that playing the long gain our luck would change so we could avoid the unthinkable. Instead of the West weakening and Serbia getting stronger by supporting Russia, we stumbled into the briar patch and now find ourselves trapped.

Peggy

pre 4 godine

I am in Serbia at the moment and am watching the news on RTS. They should re-name the programme "The Alexander Vucic Show", because half of the programme is about his views. What about the opposition? They obviously don't count for Serbian state television...
(Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin), 23 February 2020 19:58)
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Not unusual at all.
Here in Australia our ABC is government owned television and radio station but you won't get one conservative view there.
They only broadcast far left views (almost Communist) and that's it. If we want to hear from another point of view we have to tune in to pay television. Even the other MSM is leaning towards the left and conservative point of view is not usually broadcast. The other networks are privately owned so you would think they would be more balanced.
So we have to go searching for conservative voices. We not only don't get them on ABC but we seldom get them on any station.

Peggy

pre 4 godine

"I am convinced that by the end of the year we will receive an offer that we will not be able to accept, but we will not refuse it, either. I am almost convinced of that", President Vucic said.
===========================
So what are you saying then?
The offer will be something we can't accept but it will be forced on us? We will accept with a heavy heart?
This is too cryptic. Better not have said anything at all unless you are trying to prepare us for the unthinkable and that is you will force us into surrender.
Can't imagine you would have the nerve to do it.

King

pre 4 godine

Serbia in its attempts to try and block Kosova is not realizing that they are blocking themselves even more. There is no EU without recognizing Kosova. Also, because of Kosova there is no mini-schengen and Serbia's relations with the world will be dictated by their relations with the Republic of Kosova. Kurti was right when he said... Let's liberate Serbia from Kosova. Serbia is trapped by Kosova.

Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin)

pre 4 godine

I am in Serbia at the moment and am watching the news on RTS. They should re-name the programme "The Alexander Vucic Show", because half of the programme is about his views. What about the opposition? They obviously don't count for Serbian state television...

Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin)

pre 4 godine

Get rid of Vucic. He has been leading Serbia along the wrong path. Membership in an institution dominated by Germany and its lackeys can never be the goal of Serbia. If faced with this "ultimatum" Serbia should tell the EU to go to hell, where they belong.

Just saying..

pre 4 godine

Isn't it precious to see Vucic forced to face the reality? He will keep working on serbs in a way that will make him look like a victim even though he was the one lying to them about not wanting to ever recognize Kosova for 20 years now. He will be under extreme pressure soon enough and he is looking to get some sympathy from people so when he recognizes Kosova, they will still support him.

Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin)

pre 4 godine

Get rid of Vucic. He has been leading Serbia along the wrong path. Membership in an institution dominated by Germany and its lackeys can never be the goal of Serbia. If faced with this "ultimatum" Serbia should tell the EU to go to hell, where they belong.

sj

pre 4 godine

(Just saying.., 23 February 2020 15:22)

All Vucic is doing is preparing the Serbian people which he knows they will not trade Kosovo for the EU then he will turn to the EU and say it’s not me or my party but the people that want me to reject joining the EU.
That’s how it works LOL. Psst they never had any intensions of joining under current conditions, but knowing Brussels they will try to come up with a deal – they always end up grovelling.

As far as benefits on joining the EU are concerned, they have dramatically diminished once the UK left. Brussels has already told the Croatia et al that their access to the EU funds are greatly reduced. Croatia has been screaming that funds on offer are insufficient to sustained them. Imagine that eh??? Once Croatia, as they kept on claiming, financially propped up Yugoslavia, but now they can’t even survive on their revenue let alone EU money LOL.
See how BS floats to the surface. Sometimes it takes a while but it always floats to the top LOL.

Meanwhile Albos in Kosova continue to live in greater poverty. Perhaps it time for relatives outside of Kosova to find a second job.

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

For all Albanians here dont get too worked up. I do believe Vucic is under pressure to recognise Kosovo. But he also knows the Serbian public will not accept giving Kosovo away. The people are not stupid and will not accept seeing their land stolen away from them.
As for the EU I think Vucic is aware that the majority of Serbs do not want EU membership and German rule.
As I see it both sides are stuck. Albanians can not do anything if Serbia does not move. This means half the world dont recognise them. They are not a state, no matter what they think. But Albos also know that America will never attack Serbia again. In the meantime Albanians in Kosovo are stuck in poverty, cant attract investment, etc.
I've said it before that a likely outcome is a showdown on the battle field between Albos and Serbs. Russia and China will ensure no American involvment. This will be bad for both sides. Firstly Albanians cannot defeat Serbia, but Serbia will be sanctioned for a long time. But Serbia will regain full control of its lands and Albos either accept they live in Serbia or go back to Albania.

King

pre 4 godine

Serbia in its attempts to try and block Kosova is not realizing that they are blocking themselves even more. There is no EU without recognizing Kosova. Also, because of Kosova there is no mini-schengen and Serbia's relations with the world will be dictated by their relations with the Republic of Kosova. Kurti was right when he said... Let's liberate Serbia from Kosova. Serbia is trapped by Kosova.

Comment

pre 4 godine

(Just saying.., 23 February 2020 15:22)

All Vucic is doing is preparing the Serbian people which he knows they will not trade Kosovo for the EU then he will turn to the EU and say it’s not me or my party but the people that want me to reject joining the EU.
That’s how it works LOL. Psst they never had any intensions of joining under current conditions, but knowing Brussels they will try to come up with a deal – they always end up grovelling.

As far as benefits on joining the EU are concerned, they have dramatically diminished once the UK left. Brussels has already told the Croatia et al that their access to the EU funds are greatly reduced. Croatia has been screaming that funds on offer are insufficient to sustained them. Imagine that eh??? Once Croatia, as they kept on claiming, financially propped up Yugoslavia, but now they can’t even survive on their revenue let alone EU money LOL.
See how BS floats to the surface. Sometimes it takes a while but it always floats to the top LOL.

Meanwhile Albos in Kosova continue to live in greater poverty. Perhaps it time for relatives outside of Kosova to find a second job.
(sj, 24 February 2020 08:09)

Essentially, SJs comment comes down to this; "EU LOL GROVELLING, CROATIA POOR LOL, KOSOVO ALBANIANS POOR LOL. LOL LOL LOL? SERBIA UBER LOL."

In the meantime, ppl receiving 400 euro salaries in Serbia and the country is bleeding dry.

Peggy

pre 4 godine

"I am convinced that by the end of the year we will receive an offer that we will not be able to accept, but we will not refuse it, either. I am almost convinced of that", President Vucic said.
===========================
So what are you saying then?
The offer will be something we can't accept but it will be forced on us? We will accept with a heavy heart?
This is too cryptic. Better not have said anything at all unless you are trying to prepare us for the unthinkable and that is you will force us into surrender.
Can't imagine you would have the nerve to do it.

Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin)

pre 4 godine

I am in Serbia at the moment and am watching the news on RTS. They should re-name the programme "The Alexander Vucic Show", because half of the programme is about his views. What about the opposition? They obviously don't count for Serbian state television...

sj

pre 4 godine

(Jonathan (an American forwarded to Prokuplje), 24 February 2020 06:28)

Perhaps you should look at your US democratic elections then come here and talk about fairness. I am always amazed how people like you find faults in the Serbian politics but are in awe of what the US does.

I am not a member of any political party in Serbia nor do I like too many politicians for that matter but the current rules were set in by Boris Tadic and his party who were appointed by the west to govern Serbia and during that time it was illegal to hold demonstrations against the government. Yet under Vucic you can do exactly just that ask Jeremic if you don’t believe me.
If you are really in Serbia, do you think there is only one free to air TV station? RTS? Watch another station.
If the locals complain about unfairness there is one solution; on election day vote Vucic out.

Just saying..

pre 4 godine

Isn't it precious to see Vucic forced to face the reality? He will keep working on serbs in a way that will make him look like a victim even though he was the one lying to them about not wanting to ever recognize Kosova for 20 years now. He will be under extreme pressure soon enough and he is looking to get some sympathy from people so when he recognizes Kosova, they will still support him.

Valter

pre 4 godine

It is not a matter whether we agree or not to recognize Kosovo. We have no viable choice, we must recognize them. For the last twenty years Serbs have sacrificed much by thinking if we waited it out we could somehow regain our lost province. We were led to believe that playing the long gain our luck would change so we could avoid the unthinkable. Instead of the West weakening and Serbia getting stronger by supporting Russia, we stumbled into the briar patch and now find ourselves trapped.

Jonathan (an American forwarded to Prokuplje)

pre 4 godine

I am in Serbia at the moment and am watching the news on RTS. They should re-name the programme "The Alexander Vucic Show", because half of the programme is about his views. What about the opposition? They obviously don't count for Serbian state television...
(Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin), 23 February 2020 19:58)

Finally, someone else is in the country. You're absolutely right in your assessment. Not that I have television but there are enough locals complaining about it that it is almost certainly true.

Justin

pre 4 godine

The West has had Serbia’s number fo over 25 years. They know what makes Serbia tick and are playing them like a violin while gullible Serbia thinks they can manipulate those that bombed them. If that were the case, Serbia would be thriving, not piss poor as it now is, and still in possession of Kosovo.

Peggy

pre 4 godine

I am in Serbia at the moment and am watching the news on RTS. They should re-name the programme "The Alexander Vucic Show", because half of the programme is about his views. What about the opposition? They obviously don't count for Serbian state television...
(Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin), 23 February 2020 19:58)
============================
Not unusual at all.
Here in Australia our ABC is government owned television and radio station but you won't get one conservative view there.
They only broadcast far left views (almost Communist) and that's it. If we want to hear from another point of view we have to tune in to pay television. Even the other MSM is leaning towards the left and conservative point of view is not usually broadcast. The other networks are privately owned so you would think they would be more balanced.
So we have to go searching for conservative voices. We not only don't get them on ABC but we seldom get them on any station.

Zhukov

pre 4 godine

I pass Jagodina when I go to Belgrade.
(Make Serbia Great, 26 February 2020 09:50)

no one here has the extra cash to enjoy the less noise that comes from a gasoline engine.
(Make Serbia Great, 9 December 2019 19:57)

When MSG’s finger “passes Jagodina” in Google street view on the way to Belgrade, the shameful fake Serb MSG, should reconcile his hallucinogenic view of Serbia with real streets in Serbia that have real cars, driven by real Serbs, that consume real gasoline. In direct contradiction to the fake Serb MSG’s lies, there exists a real company called Naftna Industrija Srbije (abbr. NIS) that refines real crude oil to produce real gasoline in their real refinery, in real Pancevo. This real product is sold in real gas stations, that the fake Serb ignores in his Google street views of Serbia. In real Serbia, the real gasoline sold in real Serbian fuel stations is used by real Serbs and is plainly visible to truthful people in the real world who drive the real roads of Serbia.
Until the fake Serb MSG reconciles his lies with the facts that exist in real Serbia, our lying troll can continue “passing” Jagodina and “passing” gas stations selling gasoline to “no one” in MSG’s stupid charades.

sj

pre 4 godine

(Looker, 25 February 2020 13:44)

Fair question, but tell me where can you live better? It’s 2020 and things are not better outside Serbia. In the US perhaps?
IMF report of 2019 said rich became richer while the poor got nothing.
80% of all fulltime working Americans live from pay day to pay day.
71% of total Americans who are employed fulltime are in debt.
In New York, 1 in 3 workers are on Medicare.
102 million Americans capable of working and seek work have no jobs.
70% do not have $1,000 in savings.
Real level of unemployment is 20.9% not 3.2%.
Why are there strikes in France? Unrest in other parts of Europe?
Let’s look at my home, Australia. If you want to live in Sydney/Melbourne the average home is now $1.2 million, but utility, food prices etc are all up on last year while wages have remained stagnant for a decade.
UK maybe? Well the median salary today is just under £25,000 but up from $22,000 in 2016. Taking into consideration tax and real inflation your going backwards while the politicians tell people they have never had it better.
It’s the world not just in Serbia.

sj

pre 4 godine

(Comment, 24 February 2020 10:15)

Watch and learn little Albo. Brussels will do just that – grovel LOL.
Croatia is poor, but if not why have over 21% left that country to live elsewhere? What? Croatia is so filthy rich Croats need a little hardship LOL????
I’m sure you all recall how Croats used to boast how Croatia was the financial backbone of Yugoslavia, but today they say money from the EU after Brexit is insufficient to sustain them. How does that happen???????? Rich one day, rat shit the next? Its called living in BS land too long.
Perhaps you should go to your Kosova and see how well your lot live there. It’s a fact poverty is on the extreme, but if not tell me how they manage living a good life with jobless well in 70% - if you think it’s only 30% then you also believe the US unemployment is only in the low 3% range LOL.

I have always said Serbia has the best potential of all the former republic of Yugoslavia, and it continues to build its economy. In 2015 the average wage was 250 Euros but in 2019 its 400 Euros and now estimates are 900 Euros by 2024. Not bad considering its a country where they did not have a thing right after 1999.
Out of curiosity how many firms from your allies have opened shop in Kosova? Please list all those firms that have moved there? It’s amazing how your lot never provide an answer to my question LOL.
Try living in reality land for a while.

Sasha from near Jagodina

pre 4 godine

Jonathan (an American forwarded to Prokuplje), 24 February 2020 06:28)

Perhaps you should look at your US democratic elections then come here and talk about fairness. I am always amazed how people like you find faults in the Serbian politics but are in awe of what the US does.

I am not a member of any political party in Serbia nor do I like too many politicians for that matter but the current rules were set in by Boris Tadic and his party who were appointed by the west to govern Serbia and during that time it was illegal to hold demonstrations against the government. Yet under Vucic you can do exactly just that, ask Jeremic if you don’t believe me.
If you are really in Serbia, do you think there is only one free to air TV station? RTS? Watch another station.
If the locals complain about unfairness there is one solution; on election day vote Vucic out.
(sj, 24 February 2020 11:51)

I live near Jagodina in Serbia, and you are 100 percent right ,SJ )))

Peggy

pre 4 godine

We cannot keep pretending Serbia is advancing and close to being self sufficient. How many Serbs living and working can say they have a good life, with a bright future? I think we all know what the response will be! How long can we go on living this way. How has Russia helped Serbia?
(Looker, 25 February 2020 13:44
=====================
How many people in any country can say they have a bright future?
Seriously, how many? What, you think that Americans have a bright future? Yes some who have decent jobs and decent health insurance. Same goes for Serbs. How many have lost their homes in the US because they got sick and the medical insurance wasn't enough or just didn't have any and had to sell everything to pay for their care?
Russia has been of great help to Serbia. Without Russia we would already have capitulated, recognised Kosovo and even thanked the Yanks for it.
We would've lost all our heritage there and Serbs in Kosovo would be gone by now.
The only think stopping all this is the Russian VETO.
Stop watching soapies like Friends. That's entertainment not real life in the US or anywhere for most people.

sj

pre 4 godine

Yes, its important to add "in Serbia" because foreigners like sj might not realize that it is in Serbia rather than Tanzania. I pass Jagodina when I go to Belgrade. Sj only "passes" Jagodina in his dreams.
(Make Serbia Great, 26 February 2020 09:50)

B92 resident clown has spoken LOL. Have you talked to you doctor about the medication to stop all those hallucinations and delusions your are suffering from and make sure you tell the medico about your 3 farms and thousands of people you employ.

Academy of Mocking the Albo Trolls

pre 4 godine

Until the fake Serb MSG reconciles his lies with the facts that exist in real Serbia, our lying troll can continue “passing” Jagodina and “passing” gas stations selling gasoline to “no one” in MSG’s stupid charades.
(Zhukov, 26 February 2020 12:31)

Well said, well written and deserved of an award for the best shaming of MSG.

Looker

pre 4 godine

We cannot keep pretending Serbia is advancing and close to being self sufficient. How many Serbs living and working can say they have a good life, with a bright future? I think we all know what the response will be! How long can we go on living this way. How has Russia helped Serbia?

101

pre 4 godine

Just like when a marriage breaks down, no side really wins (except the lawyers), the same thing happened when Yugoslavia break up, all sides lost big time (including Croatia and Serbia, and even more so there child BiH), but as for Kosovo, it was always treated as the adopted kid at the family function in Yugoslavia, and now grew up to be a dysfunctional adult no one knows what to do with.

Владимир Владимирович

pre 4 godine

In the meantime, ppl receiving 400 euro salaries in Serbia and the country is bleeding dry.
(Comment, 24 February 2020 10:15)

Please write me an essay why every Kosovar bus transits through Hungary one direction full, the other direction empty.

If you write a good essay you will get a 33 Рубля one-time salary bonus.
If we, in Лубянка building, I mean "WE" do not approve your essay, Малюта Скуратов will come to you and make his argument, hitting the nail on your head.

I hope for the best regarding your future. Two good essays are almost a large jar of red caviar, yummy!

Concerned Albanian

pre 4 godine

Serbia needs to consolidate its position in the Balkans. The land mass of Serbia dwarfs the state of Kosovo. Recognition will open up many opportunities in the region. The sphere of influence has shifted for the time being.

Make Serbia Great

pre 4 godine

I live near Jagodina in Serbia, and you are 100 percent right ,SJ )))
(Sasha from near Jagodina, 26 February 2020 07:17)

Yes, its important to add "in Serbia" because foreigners like sj might not realize that it is in Serbia rather than Tanzania. I pass Jagodina when I go to Belgrade. Sj only "passes" Jagodina in his dreams.

Peggy

pre 4 godine

Until the fake Serb MSG reconciles his lies with the facts that exist in real Serbia, our lying troll can continue “passing” Jagodina and “passing” gas stations selling gasoline to “no one” in MSG’s stupid charades.
(Zhukov, 26 February 2020 12:31)
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Sounds like a lot of "passing" work.

King

pre 4 godine

Serbia in its attempts to try and block Kosova is not realizing that they are blocking themselves even more. There is no EU without recognizing Kosova. Also, because of Kosova there is no mini-schengen and Serbia's relations with the world will be dictated by their relations with the Republic of Kosova. Kurti was right when he said... Let's liberate Serbia from Kosova. Serbia is trapped by Kosova.

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

For all Albanians here dont get too worked up. I do believe Vucic is under pressure to recognise Kosovo. But he also knows the Serbian public will not accept giving Kosovo away. The people are not stupid and will not accept seeing their land stolen away from them.
As for the EU I think Vucic is aware that the majority of Serbs do not want EU membership and German rule.
As I see it both sides are stuck. Albanians can not do anything if Serbia does not move. This means half the world dont recognise them. They are not a state, no matter what they think. But Albos also know that America will never attack Serbia again. In the meantime Albanians in Kosovo are stuck in poverty, cant attract investment, etc.
I've said it before that a likely outcome is a showdown on the battle field between Albos and Serbs. Russia and China will ensure no American involvment. This will be bad for both sides. Firstly Albanians cannot defeat Serbia, but Serbia will be sanctioned for a long time. But Serbia will regain full control of its lands and Albos either accept they live in Serbia or go back to Albania.

Just saying..

pre 4 godine

Isn't it precious to see Vucic forced to face the reality? He will keep working on serbs in a way that will make him look like a victim even though he was the one lying to them about not wanting to ever recognize Kosova for 20 years now. He will be under extreme pressure soon enough and he is looking to get some sympathy from people so when he recognizes Kosova, they will still support him.

Valter

pre 4 godine

It is not a matter whether we agree or not to recognize Kosovo. We have no viable choice, we must recognize them. For the last twenty years Serbs have sacrificed much by thinking if we waited it out we could somehow regain our lost province. We were led to believe that playing the long gain our luck would change so we could avoid the unthinkable. Instead of the West weakening and Serbia getting stronger by supporting Russia, we stumbled into the briar patch and now find ourselves trapped.

Peggy

pre 4 godine

"I am convinced that by the end of the year we will receive an offer that we will not be able to accept, but we will not refuse it, either. I am almost convinced of that", President Vucic said.
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So what are you saying then?
The offer will be something we can't accept but it will be forced on us? We will accept with a heavy heart?
This is too cryptic. Better not have said anything at all unless you are trying to prepare us for the unthinkable and that is you will force us into surrender.
Can't imagine you would have the nerve to do it.

Justin

pre 4 godine

The West has had Serbia’s number fo over 25 years. They know what makes Serbia tick and are playing them like a violin while gullible Serbia thinks they can manipulate those that bombed them. If that were the case, Serbia would be thriving, not piss poor as it now is, and still in possession of Kosovo.

sj

pre 4 godine

(Just saying.., 23 February 2020 15:22)

All Vucic is doing is preparing the Serbian people which he knows they will not trade Kosovo for the EU then he will turn to the EU and say it’s not me or my party but the people that want me to reject joining the EU.
That’s how it works LOL. Psst they never had any intensions of joining under current conditions, but knowing Brussels they will try to come up with a deal – they always end up grovelling.

As far as benefits on joining the EU are concerned, they have dramatically diminished once the UK left. Brussels has already told the Croatia et al that their access to the EU funds are greatly reduced. Croatia has been screaming that funds on offer are insufficient to sustained them. Imagine that eh??? Once Croatia, as they kept on claiming, financially propped up Yugoslavia, but now they can’t even survive on their revenue let alone EU money LOL.
See how BS floats to the surface. Sometimes it takes a while but it always floats to the top LOL.

Meanwhile Albos in Kosova continue to live in greater poverty. Perhaps it time for relatives outside of Kosova to find a second job.

Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin)

pre 4 godine

Get rid of Vucic. He has been leading Serbia along the wrong path. Membership in an institution dominated by Germany and its lackeys can never be the goal of Serbia. If faced with this "ultimatum" Serbia should tell the EU to go to hell, where they belong.

Peggy

pre 4 godine

I am in Serbia at the moment and am watching the news on RTS. They should re-name the programme "The Alexander Vucic Show", because half of the programme is about his views. What about the opposition? They obviously don't count for Serbian state television...
(Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin), 23 February 2020 19:58)
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Not unusual at all.
Here in Australia our ABC is government owned television and radio station but you won't get one conservative view there.
They only broadcast far left views (almost Communist) and that's it. If we want to hear from another point of view we have to tune in to pay television. Even the other MSM is leaning towards the left and conservative point of view is not usually broadcast. The other networks are privately owned so you would think they would be more balanced.
So we have to go searching for conservative voices. We not only don't get them on ABC but we seldom get them on any station.

Comment

pre 4 godine

(Just saying.., 23 February 2020 15:22)

All Vucic is doing is preparing the Serbian people which he knows they will not trade Kosovo for the EU then he will turn to the EU and say it’s not me or my party but the people that want me to reject joining the EU.
That’s how it works LOL. Psst they never had any intensions of joining under current conditions, but knowing Brussels they will try to come up with a deal – they always end up grovelling.

As far as benefits on joining the EU are concerned, they have dramatically diminished once the UK left. Brussels has already told the Croatia et al that their access to the EU funds are greatly reduced. Croatia has been screaming that funds on offer are insufficient to sustained them. Imagine that eh??? Once Croatia, as they kept on claiming, financially propped up Yugoslavia, but now they can’t even survive on their revenue let alone EU money LOL.
See how BS floats to the surface. Sometimes it takes a while but it always floats to the top LOL.

Meanwhile Albos in Kosova continue to live in greater poverty. Perhaps it time for relatives outside of Kosova to find a second job.
(sj, 24 February 2020 08:09)

Essentially, SJs comment comes down to this; "EU LOL GROVELLING, CROATIA POOR LOL, KOSOVO ALBANIANS POOR LOL. LOL LOL LOL? SERBIA UBER LOL."

In the meantime, ppl receiving 400 euro salaries in Serbia and the country is bleeding dry.

sj

pre 4 godine

(Jonathan (an American forwarded to Prokuplje), 24 February 2020 06:28)

Perhaps you should look at your US democratic elections then come here and talk about fairness. I am always amazed how people like you find faults in the Serbian politics but are in awe of what the US does.

I am not a member of any political party in Serbia nor do I like too many politicians for that matter but the current rules were set in by Boris Tadic and his party who were appointed by the west to govern Serbia and during that time it was illegal to hold demonstrations against the government. Yet under Vucic you can do exactly just that ask Jeremic if you don’t believe me.
If you are really in Serbia, do you think there is only one free to air TV station? RTS? Watch another station.
If the locals complain about unfairness there is one solution; on election day vote Vucic out.

Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin)

pre 4 godine

I am in Serbia at the moment and am watching the news on RTS. They should re-name the programme "The Alexander Vucic Show", because half of the programme is about his views. What about the opposition? They obviously don't count for Serbian state television...

Jonathan (an American forwarded to Prokuplje)

pre 4 godine

I am in Serbia at the moment and am watching the news on RTS. They should re-name the programme "The Alexander Vucic Show", because half of the programme is about his views. What about the opposition? They obviously don't count for Serbian state television...
(Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin), 23 February 2020 19:58)

Finally, someone else is in the country. You're absolutely right in your assessment. Not that I have television but there are enough locals complaining about it that it is almost certainly true.

sj

pre 4 godine

(Comment, 24 February 2020 10:15)

Watch and learn little Albo. Brussels will do just that – grovel LOL.
Croatia is poor, but if not why have over 21% left that country to live elsewhere? What? Croatia is so filthy rich Croats need a little hardship LOL????
I’m sure you all recall how Croats used to boast how Croatia was the financial backbone of Yugoslavia, but today they say money from the EU after Brexit is insufficient to sustain them. How does that happen???????? Rich one day, rat shit the next? Its called living in BS land too long.
Perhaps you should go to your Kosova and see how well your lot live there. It’s a fact poverty is on the extreme, but if not tell me how they manage living a good life with jobless well in 70% - if you think it’s only 30% then you also believe the US unemployment is only in the low 3% range LOL.

I have always said Serbia has the best potential of all the former republic of Yugoslavia, and it continues to build its economy. In 2015 the average wage was 250 Euros but in 2019 its 400 Euros and now estimates are 900 Euros by 2024. Not bad considering its a country where they did not have a thing right after 1999.
Out of curiosity how many firms from your allies have opened shop in Kosova? Please list all those firms that have moved there? It’s amazing how your lot never provide an answer to my question LOL.
Try living in reality land for a while.

101

pre 4 godine

Just like when a marriage breaks down, no side really wins (except the lawyers), the same thing happened when Yugoslavia break up, all sides lost big time (including Croatia and Serbia, and even more so there child BiH), but as for Kosovo, it was always treated as the adopted kid at the family function in Yugoslavia, and now grew up to be a dysfunctional adult no one knows what to do with.

Looker

pre 4 godine

We cannot keep pretending Serbia is advancing and close to being self sufficient. How many Serbs living and working can say they have a good life, with a bright future? I think we all know what the response will be! How long can we go on living this way. How has Russia helped Serbia?

sj

pre 4 godine

Yes, its important to add "in Serbia" because foreigners like sj might not realize that it is in Serbia rather than Tanzania. I pass Jagodina when I go to Belgrade. Sj only "passes" Jagodina in his dreams.
(Make Serbia Great, 26 February 2020 09:50)

B92 resident clown has spoken LOL. Have you talked to you doctor about the medication to stop all those hallucinations and delusions your are suffering from and make sure you tell the medico about your 3 farms and thousands of people you employ.

Владимир Владимирович

pre 4 godine

In the meantime, ppl receiving 400 euro salaries in Serbia and the country is bleeding dry.
(Comment, 24 February 2020 10:15)

Please write me an essay why every Kosovar bus transits through Hungary one direction full, the other direction empty.

If you write a good essay you will get a 33 Рубля one-time salary bonus.
If we, in Лубянка building, I mean "WE" do not approve your essay, Малюта Скуратов will come to you and make his argument, hitting the nail on your head.

I hope for the best regarding your future. Two good essays are almost a large jar of red caviar, yummy!

sj

pre 4 godine

(Looker, 25 February 2020 13:44)

Fair question, but tell me where can you live better? It’s 2020 and things are not better outside Serbia. In the US perhaps?
IMF report of 2019 said rich became richer while the poor got nothing.
80% of all fulltime working Americans live from pay day to pay day.
71% of total Americans who are employed fulltime are in debt.
In New York, 1 in 3 workers are on Medicare.
102 million Americans capable of working and seek work have no jobs.
70% do not have $1,000 in savings.
Real level of unemployment is 20.9% not 3.2%.
Why are there strikes in France? Unrest in other parts of Europe?
Let’s look at my home, Australia. If you want to live in Sydney/Melbourne the average home is now $1.2 million, but utility, food prices etc are all up on last year while wages have remained stagnant for a decade.
UK maybe? Well the median salary today is just under £25,000 but up from $22,000 in 2016. Taking into consideration tax and real inflation your going backwards while the politicians tell people they have never had it better.
It’s the world not just in Serbia.

Make Serbia Great

pre 4 godine

I live near Jagodina in Serbia, and you are 100 percent right ,SJ )))
(Sasha from near Jagodina, 26 February 2020 07:17)

Yes, its important to add "in Serbia" because foreigners like sj might not realize that it is in Serbia rather than Tanzania. I pass Jagodina when I go to Belgrade. Sj only "passes" Jagodina in his dreams.

Peggy

pre 4 godine

We cannot keep pretending Serbia is advancing and close to being self sufficient. How many Serbs living and working can say they have a good life, with a bright future? I think we all know what the response will be! How long can we go on living this way. How has Russia helped Serbia?
(Looker, 25 February 2020 13:44
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How many people in any country can say they have a bright future?
Seriously, how many? What, you think that Americans have a bright future? Yes some who have decent jobs and decent health insurance. Same goes for Serbs. How many have lost their homes in the US because they got sick and the medical insurance wasn't enough or just didn't have any and had to sell everything to pay for their care?
Russia has been of great help to Serbia. Without Russia we would already have capitulated, recognised Kosovo and even thanked the Yanks for it.
We would've lost all our heritage there and Serbs in Kosovo would be gone by now.
The only think stopping all this is the Russian VETO.
Stop watching soapies like Friends. That's entertainment not real life in the US or anywhere for most people.

Concerned Albanian

pre 4 godine

Serbia needs to consolidate its position in the Balkans. The land mass of Serbia dwarfs the state of Kosovo. Recognition will open up many opportunities in the region. The sphere of influence has shifted for the time being.

Zhukov

pre 4 godine

I pass Jagodina when I go to Belgrade.
(Make Serbia Great, 26 February 2020 09:50)

no one here has the extra cash to enjoy the less noise that comes from a gasoline engine.
(Make Serbia Great, 9 December 2019 19:57)

When MSG’s finger “passes Jagodina” in Google street view on the way to Belgrade, the shameful fake Serb MSG, should reconcile his hallucinogenic view of Serbia with real streets in Serbia that have real cars, driven by real Serbs, that consume real gasoline. In direct contradiction to the fake Serb MSG’s lies, there exists a real company called Naftna Industrija Srbije (abbr. NIS) that refines real crude oil to produce real gasoline in their real refinery, in real Pancevo. This real product is sold in real gas stations, that the fake Serb ignores in his Google street views of Serbia. In real Serbia, the real gasoline sold in real Serbian fuel stations is used by real Serbs and is plainly visible to truthful people in the real world who drive the real roads of Serbia.
Until the fake Serb MSG reconciles his lies with the facts that exist in real Serbia, our lying troll can continue “passing” Jagodina and “passing” gas stations selling gasoline to “no one” in MSG’s stupid charades.

Academy of Mocking the Albo Trolls

pre 4 godine

Until the fake Serb MSG reconciles his lies with the facts that exist in real Serbia, our lying troll can continue “passing” Jagodina and “passing” gas stations selling gasoline to “no one” in MSG’s stupid charades.
(Zhukov, 26 February 2020 12:31)

Well said, well written and deserved of an award for the best shaming of MSG.

Peggy

pre 4 godine

Until the fake Serb MSG reconciles his lies with the facts that exist in real Serbia, our lying troll can continue “passing” Jagodina and “passing” gas stations selling gasoline to “no one” in MSG’s stupid charades.
(Zhukov, 26 February 2020 12:31)
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Sounds like a lot of "passing" work.

Sasha from near Jagodina

pre 4 godine

Jonathan (an American forwarded to Prokuplje), 24 February 2020 06:28)

Perhaps you should look at your US democratic elections then come here and talk about fairness. I am always amazed how people like you find faults in the Serbian politics but are in awe of what the US does.

I am not a member of any political party in Serbia nor do I like too many politicians for that matter but the current rules were set in by Boris Tadic and his party who were appointed by the west to govern Serbia and during that time it was illegal to hold demonstrations against the government. Yet under Vucic you can do exactly just that, ask Jeremic if you don’t believe me.
If you are really in Serbia, do you think there is only one free to air TV station? RTS? Watch another station.
If the locals complain about unfairness there is one solution; on election day vote Vucic out.
(sj, 24 February 2020 11:51)

I live near Jagodina in Serbia, and you are 100 percent right ,SJ )))