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Serbia "on thin ice": A crucial moment this week and timing is rather bad

Holding an Intergovernmental Conference with Serbia is questionable, "Vecernje Novosti" reports, citing sources at European Council headquarters

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pre 4 godine

Eddie......are you aware of what Americas poodle (S Arabia) is doing in Yemen? Do you ask question? Whats the reaction of western powers? Nothing...!!! Thats because the Saudis are in our pocket. What happened to truth & justice, human rights? Anything to say??
What was western policy towards Pinoche in Chile?? Google this Pinoche guy and see how nice he was. Or is that wrong??
Do you know that over 80% of US citizens believe that 9/11 was an inside job? Can you tell us why building 7 collapsed when nothing hit it? Can you explain why the BBC reported the building collapsed nearly 30 minutes before it did?Research the evidence and then comment.
Oh, and are John Pilger, Tony Benn, Alan Clarke, Nora Beloff, Jimmy Carter, John Perkins, Michael Parenti, TJ Coles, etc, all secret Serbs....??? Just because of US lies and BS?.. LOL....Dear me, you really need to educate yourself, and at least be honest with yourself.

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

Eddie ....... firstly I most certainly am not Serbian. But thats ok, you believe whatever you wish. I have been accused on other forums of being Palastinian, Israeli, Russian, etc. I care very little what you and others think of my ethnicity. But I see you just make sweeping statements and cover no real points of debate.
I read ALL sides and see through the BS and lies, unlike you.
Is Jimmy Carter telling lies? Do you honestly think a lone Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK? Because 90% of Americans dont believe it. Check out how the BBC reported building 7 had collapsed nearly 30 mins before it did, even though nothing hit it. Are you so blind??
I have always said that those Serbs in jails for crimes in the 90s probably deserve to be there. But then I ask why NOBODY guilty of expelling 300k Serbs in '95? Where is your condemnation of Nazi Croat murder of up to ONE MILLION civilians in WW2? WMDs was a lie... your comment? Our support for S Arabias brutal system....explain.
No? You have no answers apart from general accusation.
You are the blind and uneducated tw*t....

Eddie E.

pre 4 godine

View,
It is clear you are a conspiracy theorist and believe anything that supports your agenda, and unfortunately there is no point in debating you. You, like most uneducated Serbs, are in denial concerning the War Crimes committed by Serbia during the 1990’s. However, deep down in your heart of hearts you know very well what Serbia is guilty of.

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

Make Serbia Great...to conclude my points;
I have over the decades researched and read ALL sides of the story.
Have you ever heared of the following....
John Pilgèr, an Australian journalist and broadcaster. He is called "controversial". And he is, because he tells the truth.
Read up on the views of the late Tony Benn (member of parliament). Read up on the views of Alan Clarke, the late Conservative MP.
Read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins. Read "To Kill a Nation" by Michael Parenti.
Read the works of the late historian Nora Beloff. Read "Britains Secret Wars" by TJ Coles. Read Jimmy Carters speech "America the most warlike nation in the history of the world"
I could go on but research the above. You may learn something.
I am not anti America, pro Russia. But I am pro truth and anti lies and BS.
I suspect you have never bothered to research or read other views. It makes you see through the web of lies. But I doubt you will bother to research, much as I doubt you are Serbian....

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

Make Serbia Great, I say it the way it is. I have read and researched a lot over many years.
I find that since WW2 american foreign policy has supported many right wing governments. A few examples.....Chile under Pinoche, Sadam in the 1980s, the current Saudi ruling class, etc.
The US has invaded countless countries, murdered foreign leaders for their own interests.... Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc They have been involved in Africa, Central and South America, south east Asia, etc. Its all for global geopolitical reasons and to steal natural resources.
My country, the UK, is just as bad. Resarch and read a book by TJ Coles called Britains Secret Wars.
As a Brit its sad reading but exposes brutal western policies.
Its clear that the US led nato attacks on Serbia was against its own charter and rules. It was illegal as there were no UN resolutions. The Iraq WMDs was a lie to invade Iraq. The US is now in Syria only to "protect" the oli fields.
The US has approx 800 bases abroad.
Why is that? For what purpose?
Yes sir I do know what I'm talking about. What do you want to debate..?

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

Make Serbia Great...... there are many questions I (and many others) have. Just to give you flavour;
Its clear that Lee Harvey Oswald did not kill JFK. Its BS and most Americans dont believe the government line.
WMDs in Iraq was a lie, we all know it now. But most of us think the US government knew it before they invaded.
9/11 was tragic. But the vast majority of people dont believe the US government version. In fact I recall watching that days events live on TV. Do you know that the BBC reported that building 7 had collapsed......nearly 30 minutes before it did collapse..?! And whats remarkable is that nothing hit building 7...!! Amazing eh? Google it yourself.
Why were no security camera films shown to the world? There was a US reported at the Pentagon who reported live that there was no evidence a plane had gone into the building. He suggested it was a missile. The guy lost his job and never worked as a reporter again. Why?
Many more examples of US bullsh*t but you get the point. And you expect me to accept their "truth" on the Balkans..???

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

Eddie......dear me, have you nothing to say apart from verbal cr*p and insults...???
As I said Serbia & Russia have been close for a very long ties... religion, wars against the Ottomans, WW1 allies, WW2 allies, etc. Right??
I told you that the '99 bombings were illegal (against natos rules and no UN resolutions). Fact.
Racak is a lie and you know it. Poisoned ballot boxes......lie.
Can you not address some of these points???? No??
So you accuse me of being a Putin troll...hahahaha....LOL.
Eddie Simpleton please google Jimmy Carters speech from earlier this year "America, The Most Warlike Nation In The History Of The World". Then comment. By the way I didnt make that speech, and neither did Putin....
Also google a 24 minute video of John Perkins called Confessions of an Economic Hitman. Perkins was one such hitman and explains the brutal US policy towards other nations. Is John Perkins a Putin troll???
As I told you before, educate yourself and perhaps you wont seem like a simpleton.

Watcher

pre 4 godine

’m afraid that Serbia shot itself in the foot by sucking up to Russia. They can forget any future advancement toward EU membership. What was Vucic thinking when he bent over for Putin.
(Eddie E., 2 December 2019 10:09) # Comment link

@ eddie eaj - Sour grapes, Edward?? LOL

Awesome Job, Aco Samo Napred, Srbijo!

"Friends will all, Enemies with none"

Make Serbia Great

pre 4 godine

(View from the uk, 2 December 2019 15:44)

I don't consider closeness to Russia a strong character trait. If alignment with NATO/EU is a poor character trait, I think you should consider closeness with Russia the same way. If you are willing to do that, then I think there can be a fair discussion. If we only take certain positions only because we are on the opposite side of the person/group/country we strongly dislike, then I don't think we are speaking wisely and I don't believe we can have a fruitful discussion.

Eddie E.

pre 4 godine

View,
Unfortunately, Serbia will crumble like a cookie, mainly because Serbia, after Tito, has had poor leadership and continues to. You are just one of many trolls, desperate for work at Putin’s troll farm. You care nothing for Serbia, but willing to sell your soul for a few crumbs.

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

Eddie E........ Serbia has throughout history been close to Russia, for lots of reasons.
Do you expect Serbia to just accept what Brussels tells them? If you recall some of the EU nations conducted an illegal bombing campaign against Serbia. Russia did not. The leading EU countries would like Serbia to sign away a chunk of their land to Albanians and do as they are told. Serbia should never accept this and must fight for its land. Having done a lot of study and research I'm sure Kosovo will be under Belgrade's control in the future. What happened in the late 90s is a disgrace. The lies and injustices are breathtaking. Sadly the lies continue (the so called Racak massacre which never happened, the poisoning of ballot boxes recently, etc).
And simpletons like you come out with stupid and uneducated comments on this site. Know what you are talking about before showing everyone your lack of understandind and knowledge.

Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin)

pre 4 godine

If you pay enough, I'm sure that Paris and Berlin will be persuaded to accept the conference. That's how things work in the EU.

Eddie E.

pre 4 godine

I’m afraid that Serbia shot itself in the foot by sucking up to Russia. They can forget any future advancement toward EU membership. What was Vucic thinking when he bent over for Putin.

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

Eddie E........ Serbia has throughout history been close to Russia, for lots of reasons.
Do you expect Serbia to just accept what Brussels tells them? If you recall some of the EU nations conducted an illegal bombing campaign against Serbia. Russia did not. The leading EU countries would like Serbia to sign away a chunk of their land to Albanians and do as they are told. Serbia should never accept this and must fight for its land. Having done a lot of study and research I'm sure Kosovo will be under Belgrade's control in the future. What happened in the late 90s is a disgrace. The lies and injustices are breathtaking. Sadly the lies continue (the so called Racak massacre which never happened, the poisoning of ballot boxes recently, etc).
And simpletons like you come out with stupid and uneducated comments on this site. Know what you are talking about before showing everyone your lack of understandind and knowledge.

Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin)

pre 4 godine

If you pay enough, I'm sure that Paris and Berlin will be persuaded to accept the conference. That's how things work in the EU.

Eddie E.

pre 4 godine

I’m afraid that Serbia shot itself in the foot by sucking up to Russia. They can forget any future advancement toward EU membership. What was Vucic thinking when he bent over for Putin.

Watcher

pre 4 godine

’m afraid that Serbia shot itself in the foot by sucking up to Russia. They can forget any future advancement toward EU membership. What was Vucic thinking when he bent over for Putin.
(Eddie E., 2 December 2019 10:09) # Comment link

@ eddie eaj - Sour grapes, Edward?? LOL

Awesome Job, Aco Samo Napred, Srbijo!

"Friends will all, Enemies with none"

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

Eddie......dear me, have you nothing to say apart from verbal cr*p and insults...???
As I said Serbia & Russia have been close for a very long ties... religion, wars against the Ottomans, WW1 allies, WW2 allies, etc. Right??
I told you that the '99 bombings were illegal (against natos rules and no UN resolutions). Fact.
Racak is a lie and you know it. Poisoned ballot boxes......lie.
Can you not address some of these points???? No??
So you accuse me of being a Putin troll...hahahaha....LOL.
Eddie Simpleton please google Jimmy Carters speech from earlier this year "America, The Most Warlike Nation In The History Of The World". Then comment. By the way I didnt make that speech, and neither did Putin....
Also google a 24 minute video of John Perkins called Confessions of an Economic Hitman. Perkins was one such hitman and explains the brutal US policy towards other nations. Is John Perkins a Putin troll???
As I told you before, educate yourself and perhaps you wont seem like a simpleton.

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

Make Serbia Great, I say it the way it is. I have read and researched a lot over many years.
I find that since WW2 american foreign policy has supported many right wing governments. A few examples.....Chile under Pinoche, Sadam in the 1980s, the current Saudi ruling class, etc.
The US has invaded countless countries, murdered foreign leaders for their own interests.... Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc They have been involved in Africa, Central and South America, south east Asia, etc. Its all for global geopolitical reasons and to steal natural resources.
My country, the UK, is just as bad. Resarch and read a book by TJ Coles called Britains Secret Wars.
As a Brit its sad reading but exposes brutal western policies.
Its clear that the US led nato attacks on Serbia was against its own charter and rules. It was illegal as there were no UN resolutions. The Iraq WMDs was a lie to invade Iraq. The US is now in Syria only to "protect" the oli fields.
The US has approx 800 bases abroad.
Why is that? For what purpose?
Yes sir I do know what I'm talking about. What do you want to debate..?

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

Make Serbia Great...... there are many questions I (and many others) have. Just to give you flavour;
Its clear that Lee Harvey Oswald did not kill JFK. Its BS and most Americans dont believe the government line.
WMDs in Iraq was a lie, we all know it now. But most of us think the US government knew it before they invaded.
9/11 was tragic. But the vast majority of people dont believe the US government version. In fact I recall watching that days events live on TV. Do you know that the BBC reported that building 7 had collapsed......nearly 30 minutes before it did collapse..?! And whats remarkable is that nothing hit building 7...!! Amazing eh? Google it yourself.
Why were no security camera films shown to the world? There was a US reported at the Pentagon who reported live that there was no evidence a plane had gone into the building. He suggested it was a missile. The guy lost his job and never worked as a reporter again. Why?
Many more examples of US bullsh*t but you get the point. And you expect me to accept their "truth" on the Balkans..???

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

Make Serbia Great...to conclude my points;
I have over the decades researched and read ALL sides of the story.
Have you ever heared of the following....
John Pilgèr, an Australian journalist and broadcaster. He is called "controversial". And he is, because he tells the truth.
Read up on the views of the late Tony Benn (member of parliament). Read up on the views of Alan Clarke, the late Conservative MP.
Read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins. Read "To Kill a Nation" by Michael Parenti.
Read the works of the late historian Nora Beloff. Read "Britains Secret Wars" by TJ Coles. Read Jimmy Carters speech "America the most warlike nation in the history of the world"
I could go on but research the above. You may learn something.
I am not anti America, pro Russia. But I am pro truth and anti lies and BS.
I suspect you have never bothered to research or read other views. It makes you see through the web of lies. But I doubt you will bother to research, much as I doubt you are Serbian....

Eddie E.

pre 4 godine

View,
Unfortunately, Serbia will crumble like a cookie, mainly because Serbia, after Tito, has had poor leadership and continues to. You are just one of many trolls, desperate for work at Putin’s troll farm. You care nothing for Serbia, but willing to sell your soul for a few crumbs.

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

Eddie ....... firstly I most certainly am not Serbian. But thats ok, you believe whatever you wish. I have been accused on other forums of being Palastinian, Israeli, Russian, etc. I care very little what you and others think of my ethnicity. But I see you just make sweeping statements and cover no real points of debate.
I read ALL sides and see through the BS and lies, unlike you.
Is Jimmy Carter telling lies? Do you honestly think a lone Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK? Because 90% of Americans dont believe it. Check out how the BBC reported building 7 had collapsed nearly 30 mins before it did, even though nothing hit it. Are you so blind??
I have always said that those Serbs in jails for crimes in the 90s probably deserve to be there. But then I ask why NOBODY guilty of expelling 300k Serbs in '95? Where is your condemnation of Nazi Croat murder of up to ONE MILLION civilians in WW2? WMDs was a lie... your comment? Our support for S Arabias brutal system....explain.
No? You have no answers apart from general accusation.
You are the blind and uneducated tw*t....

Make Serbia Great

pre 4 godine

(View from the uk, 2 December 2019 15:44)

I don't consider closeness to Russia a strong character trait. If alignment with NATO/EU is a poor character trait, I think you should consider closeness with Russia the same way. If you are willing to do that, then I think there can be a fair discussion. If we only take certain positions only because we are on the opposite side of the person/group/country we strongly dislike, then I don't think we are speaking wisely and I don't believe we can have a fruitful discussion.

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

Eddie......are you aware of what Americas poodle (S Arabia) is doing in Yemen? Do you ask question? Whats the reaction of western powers? Nothing...!!! Thats because the Saudis are in our pocket. What happened to truth & justice, human rights? Anything to say??
What was western policy towards Pinoche in Chile?? Google this Pinoche guy and see how nice he was. Or is that wrong??
Do you know that over 80% of US citizens believe that 9/11 was an inside job? Can you tell us why building 7 collapsed when nothing hit it? Can you explain why the BBC reported the building collapsed nearly 30 minutes before it did?Research the evidence and then comment.
Oh, and are John Pilger, Tony Benn, Alan Clarke, Nora Beloff, Jimmy Carter, John Perkins, Michael Parenti, TJ Coles, etc, all secret Serbs....??? Just because of US lies and BS?.. LOL....Dear me, you really need to educate yourself, and at least be honest with yourself.

Eddie E.

pre 4 godine

View,
It is clear you are a conspiracy theorist and believe anything that supports your agenda, and unfortunately there is no point in debating you. You, like most uneducated Serbs, are in denial concerning the War Crimes committed by Serbia during the 1990’s. However, deep down in your heart of hearts you know very well what Serbia is guilty of.

Eddie E.

pre 4 godine

I’m afraid that Serbia shot itself in the foot by sucking up to Russia. They can forget any future advancement toward EU membership. What was Vucic thinking when he bent over for Putin.

Make Serbia Great

pre 4 godine

(View from the uk, 2 December 2019 15:44)

I don't consider closeness to Russia a strong character trait. If alignment with NATO/EU is a poor character trait, I think you should consider closeness with Russia the same way. If you are willing to do that, then I think there can be a fair discussion. If we only take certain positions only because we are on the opposite side of the person/group/country we strongly dislike, then I don't think we are speaking wisely and I don't believe we can have a fruitful discussion.

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

Eddie E........ Serbia has throughout history been close to Russia, for lots of reasons.
Do you expect Serbia to just accept what Brussels tells them? If you recall some of the EU nations conducted an illegal bombing campaign against Serbia. Russia did not. The leading EU countries would like Serbia to sign away a chunk of their land to Albanians and do as they are told. Serbia should never accept this and must fight for its land. Having done a lot of study and research I'm sure Kosovo will be under Belgrade's control in the future. What happened in the late 90s is a disgrace. The lies and injustices are breathtaking. Sadly the lies continue (the so called Racak massacre which never happened, the poisoning of ballot boxes recently, etc).
And simpletons like you come out with stupid and uneducated comments on this site. Know what you are talking about before showing everyone your lack of understandind and knowledge.

Eddie E.

pre 4 godine

View,
Unfortunately, Serbia will crumble like a cookie, mainly because Serbia, after Tito, has had poor leadership and continues to. You are just one of many trolls, desperate for work at Putin’s troll farm. You care nothing for Serbia, but willing to sell your soul for a few crumbs.

Tony (a Brit seconded to Berlin)

pre 4 godine

If you pay enough, I'm sure that Paris and Berlin will be persuaded to accept the conference. That's how things work in the EU.

Watcher

pre 4 godine

’m afraid that Serbia shot itself in the foot by sucking up to Russia. They can forget any future advancement toward EU membership. What was Vucic thinking when he bent over for Putin.
(Eddie E., 2 December 2019 10:09) # Comment link

@ eddie eaj - Sour grapes, Edward?? LOL

Awesome Job, Aco Samo Napred, Srbijo!

"Friends will all, Enemies with none"

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

Make Serbia Great...... there are many questions I (and many others) have. Just to give you flavour;
Its clear that Lee Harvey Oswald did not kill JFK. Its BS and most Americans dont believe the government line.
WMDs in Iraq was a lie, we all know it now. But most of us think the US government knew it before they invaded.
9/11 was tragic. But the vast majority of people dont believe the US government version. In fact I recall watching that days events live on TV. Do you know that the BBC reported that building 7 had collapsed......nearly 30 minutes before it did collapse..?! And whats remarkable is that nothing hit building 7...!! Amazing eh? Google it yourself.
Why were no security camera films shown to the world? There was a US reported at the Pentagon who reported live that there was no evidence a plane had gone into the building. He suggested it was a missile. The guy lost his job and never worked as a reporter again. Why?
Many more examples of US bullsh*t but you get the point. And you expect me to accept their "truth" on the Balkans..???

Eddie E.

pre 4 godine

View,
It is clear you are a conspiracy theorist and believe anything that supports your agenda, and unfortunately there is no point in debating you. You, like most uneducated Serbs, are in denial concerning the War Crimes committed by Serbia during the 1990’s. However, deep down in your heart of hearts you know very well what Serbia is guilty of.

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

Make Serbia Great, I say it the way it is. I have read and researched a lot over many years.
I find that since WW2 american foreign policy has supported many right wing governments. A few examples.....Chile under Pinoche, Sadam in the 1980s, the current Saudi ruling class, etc.
The US has invaded countless countries, murdered foreign leaders for their own interests.... Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc They have been involved in Africa, Central and South America, south east Asia, etc. Its all for global geopolitical reasons and to steal natural resources.
My country, the UK, is just as bad. Resarch and read a book by TJ Coles called Britains Secret Wars.
As a Brit its sad reading but exposes brutal western policies.
Its clear that the US led nato attacks on Serbia was against its own charter and rules. It was illegal as there were no UN resolutions. The Iraq WMDs was a lie to invade Iraq. The US is now in Syria only to "protect" the oli fields.
The US has approx 800 bases abroad.
Why is that? For what purpose?
Yes sir I do know what I'm talking about. What do you want to debate..?

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

Make Serbia Great...to conclude my points;
I have over the decades researched and read ALL sides of the story.
Have you ever heared of the following....
John Pilgèr, an Australian journalist and broadcaster. He is called "controversial". And he is, because he tells the truth.
Read up on the views of the late Tony Benn (member of parliament). Read up on the views of Alan Clarke, the late Conservative MP.
Read "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" by John Perkins. Read "To Kill a Nation" by Michael Parenti.
Read the works of the late historian Nora Beloff. Read "Britains Secret Wars" by TJ Coles. Read Jimmy Carters speech "America the most warlike nation in the history of the world"
I could go on but research the above. You may learn something.
I am not anti America, pro Russia. But I am pro truth and anti lies and BS.
I suspect you have never bothered to research or read other views. It makes you see through the web of lies. But I doubt you will bother to research, much as I doubt you are Serbian....

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

Eddie......dear me, have you nothing to say apart from verbal cr*p and insults...???
As I said Serbia & Russia have been close for a very long ties... religion, wars against the Ottomans, WW1 allies, WW2 allies, etc. Right??
I told you that the '99 bombings were illegal (against natos rules and no UN resolutions). Fact.
Racak is a lie and you know it. Poisoned ballot boxes......lie.
Can you not address some of these points???? No??
So you accuse me of being a Putin troll...hahahaha....LOL.
Eddie Simpleton please google Jimmy Carters speech from earlier this year "America, The Most Warlike Nation In The History Of The World". Then comment. By the way I didnt make that speech, and neither did Putin....
Also google a 24 minute video of John Perkins called Confessions of an Economic Hitman. Perkins was one such hitman and explains the brutal US policy towards other nations. Is John Perkins a Putin troll???
As I told you before, educate yourself and perhaps you wont seem like a simpleton.

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

Eddie ....... firstly I most certainly am not Serbian. But thats ok, you believe whatever you wish. I have been accused on other forums of being Palastinian, Israeli, Russian, etc. I care very little what you and others think of my ethnicity. But I see you just make sweeping statements and cover no real points of debate.
I read ALL sides and see through the BS and lies, unlike you.
Is Jimmy Carter telling lies? Do you honestly think a lone Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK? Because 90% of Americans dont believe it. Check out how the BBC reported building 7 had collapsed nearly 30 mins before it did, even though nothing hit it. Are you so blind??
I have always said that those Serbs in jails for crimes in the 90s probably deserve to be there. But then I ask why NOBODY guilty of expelling 300k Serbs in '95? Where is your condemnation of Nazi Croat murder of up to ONE MILLION civilians in WW2? WMDs was a lie... your comment? Our support for S Arabias brutal system....explain.
No? You have no answers apart from general accusation.
You are the blind and uneducated tw*t....

View from the uk

pre 4 godine

Eddie......are you aware of what Americas poodle (S Arabia) is doing in Yemen? Do you ask question? Whats the reaction of western powers? Nothing...!!! Thats because the Saudis are in our pocket. What happened to truth & justice, human rights? Anything to say??
What was western policy towards Pinoche in Chile?? Google this Pinoche guy and see how nice he was. Or is that wrong??
Do you know that over 80% of US citizens believe that 9/11 was an inside job? Can you tell us why building 7 collapsed when nothing hit it? Can you explain why the BBC reported the building collapsed nearly 30 minutes before it did?Research the evidence and then comment.
Oh, and are John Pilger, Tony Benn, Alan Clarke, Nora Beloff, Jimmy Carter, John Perkins, Michael Parenti, TJ Coles, etc, all secret Serbs....??? Just because of US lies and BS?.. LOL....Dear me, you really need to educate yourself, and at least be honest with yourself.