"Special" American representative coming to Belgrade, sanctions threatening us?

State Department: The Serbian people do not take anything serious from a task force unless it is numbered at least 235. Your policy makers must of fried their brains from too many acid trips while students at universities.

The Americans truly are a bunch of arrogant bullies who ignore international law and behave like spoilt little shits.
They are pushing for a conflict while others are trying to keep the peace. I very mùch doubt that this will have much effect in Serbia or Russia. And if sanctions really are coming then so be it. Serbia can and will survive, and will win.
Perhaps its time for countries to unite against America and sanction them. If Russia, China, India and some south American nations get together they would bring those bullies to their knees. Its about time because the world is sick of "American democracy", double standards, stealing resources and perpetual wars they keep causing.
Serbia, ignore these threats.

If the US has to rely on sanctions it only shows how weak it has become. No, they are in Belgrade to talk the Serbs out of acquiring the S400 since acquisition of these weapons makes the US lose any leverage on Belgrade.
Personally, I hope they put sanctions on Serbia as that will then guarantee Belgrade turning it back on the west. With the new financial system in place sanctions are no longer an issue. They have sanctions on Russia and last year the Russian economy grew by 2.5% which was the same as in the US, EU and Australia.
But they wont LOL. I hope the Albos are paying attention to what is going on here.

Well done Serbia stand your ground .
It is not 1999 anymore ... as the US found out in Syria and Crimea..

American military hardware is outdated over priced garbage. Serbia has endured and lived with sanctions. S400 in Serbia on military drills has USA worried. Now that the exercises has been completed, Putin can send the S400 any time he feels like it without a massive platoon. S400 in Serbia will secure the skies, a ground force is the only way to get to Serbia. Congress and NATO did not allow ground troops invasion, only air strikes. This time, can air strikes achieve the same results as 99?
Times have changed, game snhas changed.

Darko D, nobody is saying that it was easy under sanctions. However would you just raise your hands in defeat every time your country faces injustice? You are ok with America telling you what you can and cant do......in your own country?
I know my history well and not sure most Serbs would agree with you. I guess you would have just accepted Islam and the Ottomans, and just allowed the Austro-Hungarians and Germans to enslave you?
As for other nations uniting against America, well, that aint such an outrageous proposal. They probably wouldn't do it to come to the aid of Serbia, but to rid the world of an imperialist thieving nation that has caused chaos in most of central and south America, just about the whole of the middle east, Africa, the far east and the Balkans. It sure could be done and it only takes 3 or 4 significant nations to come together, ie, China, Russia, India, Brazil, etc.

(Darko D., 6 November 2019 18:22)
There is a new financial system in place that bypasses the US system altogether. Today there is the New Development Bank that directly competes with both the World Bank and IMF and I could go on and on.
Look at how the S400 arrived in Serbia via Bulgaria and Bulgaria is a NATO member. Yes, Serbia did suffer terribly during the 1990s sanctions and most Serbs would acknowledge they were hard times, but this is not the 1990s. Do you think for one moment that the west would not do it again if it could? In a heartbeat, but they can’t. So, I would not worry.
These US clowns are coming to Belgrade to kiss Serbian arse while portraying they were tough. Just look at Palmer, while in Pristina he was tough towards Serbia but when in Belgrade he was licking Vucic’s hand.

I’m ok to indirectly pay for these sanctions here if they should come about, so long as we stay aligned with Russia and not the US.

We will never warm to the west and all he back stabbing that comes with it. We love Russia here. You should have seen when Putin and Medvedev visited.

The US has a terrible reputation and next to no friends - only allies due to duress or blackmail.

Time is on our side and not any adversaries.

Every once in a while one hear the expression ”mutual recognition”. Can someone please explain what the heck it means.
I mean, Serbia is where it is. Recognized by 193 real countries. Kosovo, a Serbian disputed province, will never be an own state recognized by China and Russia. (As a must if 1244 will be abolished).
More or less ten countries have revoked their recognition of Kosovo and there are a dozen more to come.

(Make Serbia Great, 7 November 2019 10:41)
Now Simple Simon what cave do you live in? All western political parties do exactly the same thing; they demand from their party members to attend rallies and when that party gets into government jobs are a plenty for their loyal people.
It occurs in the US, UK, Australia, Canada etc. You need to get out more than stare at a computer. So, what is the point of your post?
Now what fundamental reforms for a prosperous society are you talking about here?

I lived through the last set of US sanctions, it was Hell.
(Darko D., 6 November 2019 14:38)
====================\
Then maybe you can move to the US since you are so in love with them and you'll be fine.
NO sanctions for you.

Azir.......how short sighted and simplistic of you. You think that the taxes imposed by Pristina is a good thing? Really?
You do realise that nothing has happened in the last 12 months as a result of those taxes. Serbia has not recognised Kosovo, and in fact a few more countries have revoked recognition. So tell us how this benefits Kosovo? There is little/no investments, still mass unemployment and widespread corruption. And here are you cheering on this scenario...!??
Its amazing that you people get more joy when seeing Serbia is damaged than Kosovo prospering. Its known as cutting your nose to spite your face. I doubt that the Americans will impose sanctions on Serbia. But if they do I doubt too many countries will do the same. This is not an international agreement, its just US bullying. So I really wouldn't be jumping for joy. It would be wiser to worry about the poverty in Kosovo rather than hoping/predicting what may or may not happen.

Are you sure you are not a Ustasa or KLA fanclub member that wants to look serbs stupid as hell?
(Tito reloaded, 7 November 2019 13:18)
==========================
You're calling yourself Tito reloaded and accusing me of being anti Serb?
How many brain cells are you working on today?

Has Serbia spent all that money for nought, on the Russian weapons systems? Will Russia help us out of this mess Serbia is in? What kind of incompetent leadership do we have in Belgrade? I lived through the last set of US sanctions, it was Hell.

Personally, I hope they put sanctions on Serbia as that will then guarantee Belgrade turning it back on the west.

@ sj - One can only hope! Well said!

I hope Serbs realize that we are not getting the Russian S400 defense system. The reports by some rather naive commentaters are only misleading the poor Serbian people. We are feed enough lies by are own government, we don’t need further misinformation. I am quite sure that those individuals who are down playing the effects of sanctions on Serbia were not even born yet in 1999 or never lived in Serbia.
(Stanko, 7 November 2019 13:27)

If that is the case jump off the bridge now and save yourself all that future angst.

sj,
"...acquiring the S400 since acquisition of these weapons makes the US lose any leverage on Belgrade."

Imagine robber worried about home owners buying and installing alarm systems and threatening them consequences of such acquisition!

Why would they be worried about S 400? It's a defensive weapon. You can't attack anyone with it. You can only defend yourself from other side attacks with it.
Anyway, Serbia is not getting S 400, but Pantzir , so they will still have a leverage..

The USA sanctions on Serbia will further cripple this isolated country. Serbia is a failed country that is used by Russia for their political interests and Serbia is too naive to recognize that.

I can feel the love in the room! I am so proud of you guys!

US supports 100% TAX on serb products just as their allies in Kosova , Albania 🇦🇱 have already instituted!!!


Sanctions

Sanctions

And MORE SANCTIONS!!

I lived through the last set of US sanctions, it was Hell.
(Darko D., 6 November 2019 14:38)
===…== \
Then maybe you can move to the US since you are so in love with them and you'll be fine.
NO sanctions for you.
(Peggy)
Says the one sitting in a nice western country.
Oh wait, I am sure you will come and stay with the people living in serbia, when another embargo is in place.
And because Darko says it was hell now he is now for you loving the US?
Are you sure you are not a Ustasa or KLA fanclub member that wants to look serbs stupid as hell?

View from the UK,
It’s easy for you, living in the UK, to say: “so be it if the US imposes sanction on Serbia”. Furthermore, do you really think other nations are going to run to aid Serbia by ganging up to sanction the US, if you do then I have a bridge for sale. I lived though the last sanctions and it was Hell!

I’m ok to indirectly pay for these sanctions here if they should come about, so long as we stay aligned with Russia and not the US.

We will never warm to the west and all he back stabbing that comes with it. We love Russia here. You should have seen when Putin and Medvedev visited.
(Trizo, 6 November 2019 18:17)

I was, and some of my friends were joking how the ruling political party compelled its constituency to attend. It is a rather well-known "secret" that you can't get a government job -- not even as a 1st-grade teacher -- without supporting the ruling party. When the government starts hiring and firing based on performance, then we can talk seriously. Until then, the flag-waving (whether toward the Russians or Americans) is meaningless. Fundamental reforms are necessary for a prosperous society.

Dishonesty, self-deception, and stupidity on full display. You make all Serbs look primitive!
(Make Serbia Great, 8 November 2019 13:39)
Now Simple Simon you have to think of something new here instead of repeating yourself over and over again.
What I said is practised in all western countries today. But I think you are frustrated because you really can’t come up with any intelligent response so out comes this Simple Simon gibberish. Are you sure you’re not related to ICJ because it was the only other nincompoop that came out with this type of nonsense?
You really don’t know or understand what fundamental reforms are required in Serbia, but have heard this terminology on TV and the western media have certainly thrashed those set of buzz words to death. So, you think by repeating the same makes you sound intelligent, but you have no clues what you are talking about so you do look clownish LOL.

Lying is very primitive. You are a deep shame to all Serbs.
(Make Serbia Great, 12 November 2019 17:49)

ZZZZZ LOL. Yep I am a deep shame LOL. See I am waiving to you from the moon. Can you see me in Serbia LOL???? What a dope; where your lot dig you up from?

I hope Serbs realize that we are not getting the Russian S400 defense system. The reports by some rather naive commentaters are only misleading the poor Serbian people. We are feed enough lies by are own government, we don’t need further misinformation. I am quite sure that those individuals who are down playing the effects of sanctions on Serbia were not even born yet in 1999 or never lived in Serbia.

Make Serbia Great, 7 November 2019 10:41)
Now Simple Simon what cave do you live in? All western political parties do exactly the same thing; they demand from their party members to attend rallies and when that party gets into government jobs are a plenty for their loyal people.
It occurs in the US, UK, Australia, Canada etc. You need to get out more than stare at a computer. So, what is the point of your post?
Now what fundamental reforms for a prosperous society are you talking about here?
(sj, 8 November 2019 11:11)

Dishonesty, self-deception, and stupidity on full display. You make all Serbs look primitive!

I am quite sure that those individuals who are down playing the effects of sanctions on Serbia were not even born yet in 1999 or never lived in Serbia.
(Stanko)
For them it's like watching a football game from their safe living rooms.
They cannot understand or imagine how it was in that times or even how hard it is now for many people to have enough money to feed themselves and their children plus paying the bills.
And the best is that some of them accuse people that do not want this to happen again that they are US lovers.

You make all Serbs look primitive!
(Make Serbia Great, 8 November 2019 13:39)

JS - alias Makeaj Serbisha Greatçi - this entire debate is moot.

The only comment I truly enjoyed was of Azir because it did show his usual wisdom and deep insight knowledge of U.S. politics.

And the forum is dead wrong, 100% - because Azir according own confession has nothing to do with Kosovah* and Albania. Maybe he is into turkey - it's the proper time of the year.

Why this discussion is moot: because it takes more than the "pantsir" to get the sanctions. No one will approve them outside of the States.

At worst, what will happen:

1) Some Serbian businessmen involved into that deal will get a permanent ban to the U.S.
Poor souls, they won't be able to buy U.S. cars directly (but no official U.S. car dealership is allowed to sell cars to foreigners anyway). And they won't be able to see the Grand Canyon.
I don't see any loss here for us or them.

2) Serbia will be permanently out of the F-35 deal, pretty much like that turkey-bird. The F-35 is a toothless airplane, probably the most expensive in the world, good a little bit of everything, excelling at nothing. A pet project of U.S. military system, at your and my cost.

Don't forget, all your and my money taken for Medicare goes straight into Andromeda Galaxy, we won't be able to claim a single Cent out of it, ever.

No one except very few will miss the iPhone 12 Pro.


B92: your system is more buggy, than ever!

What I said is practised in all western countries today. (sj, 12 November 2019 09:12)

Lying is very primitive. You are a deep shame to all Serbs.

Has Serbia spent all that money for nought, on the Russian weapons systems? Will Russia help us out of this mess Serbia is in? What kind of incompetent leadership do we have in Belgrade? I lived through the last set of US sanctions, it was Hell.

I am quite sure that those individuals who are down playing the effects of sanctions on Serbia were not even born yet in 1999 or never lived in Serbia.
(Stanko)
For them it's like watching a football game from their safe living rooms.
They cannot understand or imagine how it was in that times or even how hard it is now for many people to have enough money to feed themselves and their children plus paying the bills.
And the best is that some of them accuse people that do not want this to happen again that they are US lovers.

I lived through the last set of US sanctions, it was Hell.
(Darko D., 6 November 2019 14:38)
===…== \
Then maybe you can move to the US since you are so in love with them and you'll be fine.
NO sanctions for you.
(Peggy)
Says the one sitting in a nice western country.
Oh wait, I am sure you will come and stay with the people living in serbia, when another embargo is in place.
And because Darko says it was hell now he is now for you loving the US?
Are you sure you are not a Ustasa or KLA fanclub member that wants to look serbs stupid as hell?

US supports 100% TAX on serb products just as their allies in Kosova , Albania 🇦🇱 have already instituted!!!


Sanctions

Sanctions

And MORE SANCTIONS!!

The USA sanctions on Serbia will further cripple this isolated country. Serbia is a failed country that is used by Russia for their political interests and Serbia is too naive to recognize that.

Make Serbia Great, 7 November 2019 10:41)
Now Simple Simon what cave do you live in? All western political parties do exactly the same thing; they demand from their party members to attend rallies and when that party gets into government jobs are a plenty for their loyal people.
It occurs in the US, UK, Australia, Canada etc. You need to get out more than stare at a computer. So, what is the point of your post?
Now what fundamental reforms for a prosperous society are you talking about here?
(sj, 8 November 2019 11:11)

Dishonesty, self-deception, and stupidity on full display. You make all Serbs look primitive!

Well done Serbia stand your ground .
It is not 1999 anymore ... as the US found out in Syria and Crimea..

View from the UK,
It’s easy for you, living in the UK, to say: “so be it if the US imposes sanction on Serbia”. Furthermore, do you really think other nations are going to run to aid Serbia by ganging up to sanction the US, if you do then I have a bridge for sale. I lived though the last sanctions and it was Hell!

If the US has to rely on sanctions it only shows how weak it has become. No, they are in Belgrade to talk the Serbs out of acquiring the S400 since acquisition of these weapons makes the US lose any leverage on Belgrade.
Personally, I hope they put sanctions on Serbia as that will then guarantee Belgrade turning it back on the west. With the new financial system in place sanctions are no longer an issue. They have sanctions on Russia and last year the Russian economy grew by 2.5% which was the same as in the US, EU and Australia.
But they wont LOL. I hope the Albos are paying attention to what is going on here.

American military hardware is outdated over priced garbage. Serbia has endured and lived with sanctions. S400 in Serbia on military drills has USA worried. Now that the exercises has been completed, Putin can send the S400 any time he feels like it without a massive platoon. S400 in Serbia will secure the skies, a ground force is the only way to get to Serbia. Congress and NATO did not allow ground troops invasion, only air strikes. This time, can air strikes achieve the same results as 99?
Times have changed, game snhas changed.

I’m ok to indirectly pay for these sanctions here if they should come about, so long as we stay aligned with Russia and not the US.

We will never warm to the west and all he back stabbing that comes with it. We love Russia here. You should have seen when Putin and Medvedev visited.
(Trizo, 6 November 2019 18:17)

I was, and some of my friends were joking how the ruling political party compelled its constituency to attend. It is a rather well-known "secret" that you can't get a government job -- not even as a 1st-grade teacher -- without supporting the ruling party. When the government starts hiring and firing based on performance, then we can talk seriously. Until then, the flag-waving (whether toward the Russians or Americans) is meaningless. Fundamental reforms are necessary for a prosperous society.

The Americans truly are a bunch of arrogant bullies who ignore international law and behave like spoilt little shits.
They are pushing for a conflict while others are trying to keep the peace. I very mùch doubt that this will have much effect in Serbia or Russia. And if sanctions really are coming then so be it. Serbia can and will survive, and will win.
Perhaps its time for countries to unite against America and sanction them. If Russia, China, India and some south American nations get together they would bring those bullies to their knees. Its about time because the world is sick of "American democracy", double standards, stealing resources and perpetual wars they keep causing.
Serbia, ignore these threats.

I hope Serbs realize that we are not getting the Russian S400 defense system. The reports by some rather naive commentaters are only misleading the poor Serbian people. We are feed enough lies by are own government, we don’t need further misinformation. I am quite sure that those individuals who are down playing the effects of sanctions on Serbia were not even born yet in 1999 or never lived in Serbia.

Every once in a while one hear the expression ”mutual recognition”. Can someone please explain what the heck it means.
I mean, Serbia is where it is. Recognized by 193 real countries. Kosovo, a Serbian disputed province, will never be an own state recognized by China and Russia. (As a must if 1244 will be abolished).
More or less ten countries have revoked their recognition of Kosovo and there are a dozen more to come.

I can feel the love in the room! I am so proud of you guys!

I lived through the last set of US sanctions, it was Hell.
(Darko D., 6 November 2019 14:38)
====================\
Then maybe you can move to the US since you are so in love with them and you'll be fine.
NO sanctions for you.

(Darko D., 6 November 2019 18:22)
There is a new financial system in place that bypasses the US system altogether. Today there is the New Development Bank that directly competes with both the World Bank and IMF and I could go on and on.
Look at how the S400 arrived in Serbia via Bulgaria and Bulgaria is a NATO member. Yes, Serbia did suffer terribly during the 1990s sanctions and most Serbs would acknowledge they were hard times, but this is not the 1990s. Do you think for one moment that the west would not do it again if it could? In a heartbeat, but they can’t. So, I would not worry.
These US clowns are coming to Belgrade to kiss Serbian arse while portraying they were tough. Just look at Palmer, while in Pristina he was tough towards Serbia but when in Belgrade he was licking Vucic’s hand.

What I said is practised in all western countries today. (sj, 12 November 2019 09:12)

Lying is very primitive. You are a deep shame to all Serbs.

I’m ok to indirectly pay for these sanctions here if they should come about, so long as we stay aligned with Russia and not the US.

We will never warm to the west and all he back stabbing that comes with it. We love Russia here. You should have seen when Putin and Medvedev visited.

The US has a terrible reputation and next to no friends - only allies due to duress or blackmail.

Time is on our side and not any adversaries.

Darko D, nobody is saying that it was easy under sanctions. However would you just raise your hands in defeat every time your country faces injustice? You are ok with America telling you what you can and cant do......in your own country?
I know my history well and not sure most Serbs would agree with you. I guess you would have just accepted Islam and the Ottomans, and just allowed the Austro-Hungarians and Germans to enslave you?
As for other nations uniting against America, well, that aint such an outrageous proposal. They probably wouldn't do it to come to the aid of Serbia, but to rid the world of an imperialist thieving nation that has caused chaos in most of central and south America, just about the whole of the middle east, Africa, the far east and the Balkans. It sure could be done and it only takes 3 or 4 significant nations to come together, ie, China, Russia, India, Brazil, etc.

Personally, I hope they put sanctions on Serbia as that will then guarantee Belgrade turning it back on the west.

@ sj - One can only hope! Well said!

State Department: The Serbian people do not take anything serious from a task force unless it is numbered at least 235. Your policy makers must of fried their brains from too many acid trips while students at universities.

Azir.......how short sighted and simplistic of you. You think that the taxes imposed by Pristina is a good thing? Really?
You do realise that nothing has happened in the last 12 months as a result of those taxes. Serbia has not recognised Kosovo, and in fact a few more countries have revoked recognition. So tell us how this benefits Kosovo? There is little/no investments, still mass unemployment and widespread corruption. And here are you cheering on this scenario...!??
Its amazing that you people get more joy when seeing Serbia is damaged than Kosovo prospering. Its known as cutting your nose to spite your face. I doubt that the Americans will impose sanctions on Serbia. But if they do I doubt too many countries will do the same. This is not an international agreement, its just US bullying. So I really wouldn't be jumping for joy. It would be wiser to worry about the poverty in Kosovo rather than hoping/predicting what may or may not happen.

(Make Serbia Great, 7 November 2019 10:41)
Now Simple Simon what cave do you live in? All western political parties do exactly the same thing; they demand from their party members to attend rallies and when that party gets into government jobs are a plenty for their loyal people.
It occurs in the US, UK, Australia, Canada etc. You need to get out more than stare at a computer. So, what is the point of your post?
Now what fundamental reforms for a prosperous society are you talking about here?

sj,
"...acquiring the S400 since acquisition of these weapons makes the US lose any leverage on Belgrade."

Imagine robber worried about home owners buying and installing alarm systems and threatening them consequences of such acquisition!

Why would they be worried about S 400? It's a defensive weapon. You can't attack anyone with it. You can only defend yourself from other side attacks with it.
Anyway, Serbia is not getting S 400, but Pantzir , so they will still have a leverage..

Are you sure you are not a Ustasa or KLA fanclub member that wants to look serbs stupid as hell?
(Tito reloaded, 7 November 2019 13:18)
==========================
You're calling yourself Tito reloaded and accusing me of being anti Serb?
How many brain cells are you working on today?

I hope Serbs realize that we are not getting the Russian S400 defense system. The reports by some rather naive commentaters are only misleading the poor Serbian people. We are feed enough lies by are own government, we don’t need further misinformation. I am quite sure that those individuals who are down playing the effects of sanctions on Serbia were not even born yet in 1999 or never lived in Serbia.
(Stanko, 7 November 2019 13:27)

If that is the case jump off the bridge now and save yourself all that future angst.

Dishonesty, self-deception, and stupidity on full display. You make all Serbs look primitive!
(Make Serbia Great, 8 November 2019 13:39)
Now Simple Simon you have to think of something new here instead of repeating yourself over and over again.
What I said is practised in all western countries today. But I think you are frustrated because you really can’t come up with any intelligent response so out comes this Simple Simon gibberish. Are you sure you’re not related to ICJ because it was the only other nincompoop that came out with this type of nonsense?
You really don’t know or understand what fundamental reforms are required in Serbia, but have heard this terminology on TV and the western media have certainly thrashed those set of buzz words to death. So, you think by repeating the same makes you sound intelligent, but you have no clues what you are talking about so you do look clownish LOL.

You make all Serbs look primitive!
(Make Serbia Great, 8 November 2019 13:39)

JS - alias Makeaj Serbisha Greatçi - this entire debate is moot.

The only comment I truly enjoyed was of Azir because it did show his usual wisdom and deep insight knowledge of U.S. politics.

And the forum is dead wrong, 100% - because Azir according own confession has nothing to do with Kosovah* and Albania. Maybe he is into turkey - it's the proper time of the year.

Why this discussion is moot: because it takes more than the "pantsir" to get the sanctions. No one will approve them outside of the States.

At worst, what will happen:

1) Some Serbian businessmen involved into that deal will get a permanent ban to the U.S.
Poor souls, they won't be able to buy U.S. cars directly (but no official U.S. car dealership is allowed to sell cars to foreigners anyway). And they won't be able to see the Grand Canyon.
I don't see any loss here for us or them.

2) Serbia will be permanently out of the F-35 deal, pretty much like that turkey-bird. The F-35 is a toothless airplane, probably the most expensive in the world, good a little bit of everything, excelling at nothing. A pet project of U.S. military system, at your and my cost.

Don't forget, all your and my money taken for Medicare goes straight into Andromeda Galaxy, we won't be able to claim a single Cent out of it, ever.

No one except very few will miss the iPhone 12 Pro.


B92: your system is more buggy, than ever!

Lying is very primitive. You are a deep shame to all Serbs.
(Make Serbia Great, 12 November 2019 17:49)

ZZZZZ LOL. Yep I am a deep shame LOL. See I am waiving to you from the moon. Can you see me in Serbia LOL???? What a dope; where your lot dig you up from?