"Berlin has proposal that's not to Pristina's advantage"

Doubtful this report is true because when has Germany ever sought to understand Serbia's side? If it is, these territories better include the ZSO being directly under Serbian sovereignty and extra territorial status for the remaining monasteries.

Also, another poster importantly highlighted the Gorani. This Muslim community has some of the biggest Serbian patriots that there is. Loyal to the Serbian state and Serbia has to remain loyal to them. Anything that would leave Serbs and Gorani below the Ibar at the mercy of Pristina institutions is NOT a compromise and not worth Serbia's signature.

So, that would translate to community of Serbs untied in Kosovo, without any executive powers.
(Guest, 16 April 2019 14:32)

LOL it must be an Albanian cultural pastime to make things up out of nothing when presented evidence tells otherwise.

Where do you get this scenario out of an article that say an agreement that's "not to Pristina's advantage"? If anything, ZSO will get strong executive powers that closely tie it with the rest of Serbia. The only way I could see K-Serbs not have executive powers is if they are directly represented in and by Belgrade, making them a direct extension of the Serbian state. I could get on board that as long as it includes all current municipalities of ZSO, extends to the Gorani of Dragas who want nothing to do with you, and adds a number of additional villages and communities outside the current ZSO configuration. Throw in Gazivode, Trepca, and Brezovica and you guys can celebrate your "independence" with the Bill Clinton statue and a few tire repair shops that line the outskirts of Pristina.

Of course still without UN representation

Compromises, of course, must be made :)

Serbia should keep Kosovo which is already in Serbia and all Albanians from Kosovo are advised to go back to Albania and have it all.

@Staff

But we albanians dont even deserve that, how about no indepence what so ever?
(Glow, 16 April 2019 15:09)

Maybe you dont deserve any independence Glow. For me, I believe one should not steal a bit of a sovereign country. But its certainly not me or you who has decided what I wrote in my previous post. Its the big players + the Ngo’s. And this is how it will be.

@Staff

But we albanians dont even deserve that, how about no indepence what so ever?
(Glow, 16 April 2019 15:09)

Maybe you dont deserve any independence Glow. For me, I believe one should not steal a bit of a sovereign country. But its certainly not me or you who has decided what I wrote in my previous post. Its the big players + the Ngo’s. And this is how it will be.
(Staff, 16 April 2019 15:43)

Just had my chuckle of the day.

Greg

So in other words Vucic is going to the meeting only to recognize Kosovo and to get it in the UN. Wow, that is a great deal for serbs. Serbs cant want for Vucic to sign that agreements.Are you albanians really that stupid? What planet are you from?

the new iniciative is to split serbia in 3. kosova takes medvegja, bujanovc, presheva, sandzak. hungaria takes vojvodina.

Serbia proper will have:

-From the river Ibar and north including Zubin Potok.
-Gazivoda lake.
-UN and also EU will stay according to 1244. (Limited number, 130 all together is discussed)
-There will be Serbian cantons in all serbian church/monastary places including Patriach of Pec, Decani monastery and all serbian majority villages, enclaves and places.
-Kfor will stay to guard those places with international military. (Just like Nato are present in some countries after WW 2.)

Albanians will have:

-The rest of Kosovo as a country.
-Total independence.
-Membership UN, Unesco etc etc.
-Presevo town, not Bujanovac and not the so called corridor south/north.

Not agreed:

-Trepca mining complex (Serbia proper 25%, Kosovo 45%, US/Germany company 30%.
-Serbian police in the cantons.



1860 Kfor soldiers to stay. (900 Mitrovica region, 500 Kfor-hill Pristina and 460 as RRU Rapid Response Unit in Pec + Prizren.) Bondsteel stay and are not counted in those figures.

As you see, most are already agreed.

@Staff

But we albanians dont even deserve that, how about no indepence what so ever?

Greg:
1244,,ofcourse is alive&kicking on the Teritory KiM. If it was not alive
Bondsteel would not be there
Kfor would not be there.
You can go on translating this forever to suit your needs. It's rep Serbia and KiM. And whatever you say or think proof is in the pudding,call yourselves any name sovereign, republic, independant you will get same answer. Your "kosovo*" "is stuck in its tracks. Going nowhere.20" yrs. 11yrs.how many more? Problem is you try this, you try that to force rep Serbia in submission to a bunch of criminals. Blackmailing with cheap nasty tricks like 100%taxes. What if next price by suppliers to "" kosovo"*is up by 100%?
I call that crippled.

Greg,

Vucic does not need to convince Putin of anything. Russia’s official position is to agree with whatever the state of Serbia finds reasonable.

Also, I find it highly unlikely that anything constructive will be done as long as Pristina keeps the 100% tax on Serbia. This is a non-starter as far as Serbia is concerned.

However it can never be in siptari advantage. By right, by the common sense.
It's our country we call the shots.
Crumbs only if we must.

LOL it must be an Albanian cultural pastime to make things up out of nothing when presented evidence tells otherwise.
(LOL, 16 April 2019 15:03)

3....2.....1.....

"the new iniciative is to split serbia in 3. kosova takes medvegja, bujanovc, presheva, sandzak. hungaria takes vojvodina.
(bert, 16 April 2019 15:48)"

I swear, it's like clockwork. Complete with deliberately mangled English for the extra guffaw :D

Serbia is in a total panic as they know that they have ZERO say-so on anything.
(Sunny Hill, 17 April 2019 01:57)

Again, I guess you people love to make up scenarios when you need a break from reality but ok, let's review a few things. First, Serbia has successfully lobbied to reduce the number of recognitions Kosovo has to nearly 100. Second, the international community envisions some sort of autonomous rule for Kosovo Serbs despite Albanian pissing and moaning over territory they never controlled in the first place. Third, Serbia is under no obligation to recognize Kosovo for EU membership. The most we get is that they "normalize" relations, whatever that means. Fourth, Haradinaj constantly complains the EU isn't being fair to him and his other organ harvesting murderers in anything they demand. Last, and most importantly, Serbia simply has to wait for Albanian intransigence and refusal to cooperate on anything to show it's useless dealing with you people, turn Kosovo into a frozen conflict, and let the EU wash its hands of the matter. In the meantime, the quality of life continues to deteriorate in "Europe's Youngest Democracy" as tens of thousands of Albanians leave every year because they know there's no hope there.

But yeah, comment that Serbia is in total panic in an article titled "not to Pristina's advantage" and you say the very country making the proposal is on your side. It must really be sunny on that hill you're on. Too bad those are medical lamps :)

So, that would translate to community of Serbs untied in Kosovo, without any executive powers.

Yes , yes indeed y8u can have that and you will. That is as far as anyone will go for you lol.

There is a great misunderstanding. The only proposal Merkel has, is a declaration about fundamental principles of an agreement. This will be a bit like the agreement between the both German states. It was short, only a common confirmation of the UN Charta as Basic of the Mutual Relation. This means the de facto recognition of the Prishtina state by Belgrade. That’s all. All other points will be subject of other agreements which mostly like between both German states ever were achieved in the subjects of property, citizenship etc . KFOR, 1244 etc are not subject of agreements between Belgrade or Prishtina, even not Moscow or Washington. In the moment Vucic and Dacic will convince Putin to open the way for Prishtina into the UN. Otherwise Prishtina is not interested in hot air agreements. Vucic is playing the old unsuccessful game from YU to sit between nicely between all chairs. It will also fails this time.

Vucic complains now about the demand that Serbia recognize Prishtina in Berlin. He says that he expect in Berlin a very hard time for him. But why he is going there, why he will meet Thaçi and Co. Without abolishing the taxes, what he is doing there. Why is not saying only NO and would be respected instead he is seen now as a pupet. What this person will do next to demagnetized the position of Serbia. If Prishtina is not fulfilling its obligation regarding ZSO, why Belgrade is not taking back his OK for the other parts of the Brussels agreements? Is he not able to play a real hard game without crying.

Serbia should keep Kosovo which is already in Serbia and all Albanians from Kosovo are advised to go back to Albania and have it all.
(vito, 16 April 2019 21:35)

You definitely are not from planet earth, and same goes for Ljiljana aka Lilly! Enjoy your life in Mars or whatever planed you are living/dreaming!

@Staff

But we albanians dont even deserve that, how about no indepence what so ever?
(Glow, 16 April 2019 15:09)

Maybe you dont deserve any independence Glow. For me, I believe one should not steal a bit of a sovereign country. But its certainly not me or you who has decided what I wrote in my previous post. Its the big players + the Ngo’s. And this is how it will be.
(Staff, 16 April 2019 15:43)

🤣🤣🤣

Serbia is in a total panic as they know that they have ZERO say-so on anything. Vucic has been flopping around like a fish out of water as he knows that Merkel is no Mogherini and she will get him to snap out of his delusional ideas fast. Vucic has always said that he wants to feel like he is wining something out of this agreement and the word on the street is that Merkel has set aside a lollipop and a sticker for him. This should make this painful experience less painful for him.

(LOL, 17 April 2019 16:43)

Let me waste a second to educate yet another serb that has been brainwashed his entire life.
1. The revocations of recognations are an absolute joke. According to the political analysts there is no such thing as revoking ones recognition after it's been recognized once. Dacic has bought a few tiny countries to "revoke" recognitions just so he can earn himself some political points in Serbia. Ask yourself why Dacic hasn't had any luck with any other country revoking Kosova's recognition? The answer is that there is no other corrupt country that will go down the drain for few dinars that Dacic might offer to embarrass themselves with this type of nonsense.
2. There are only about 100 thousand of serbs in Kosova and they are not going to get anything more than what the Albanians in Serbia have. The idea that this small amount of serbs in Kosova will be getting anything more is DEAD.
3. Serbia will NEVER be able to enter the EU without recognizing Kosova. This is a fact that has been repeated by Germany over and over again.
4. Serbs here keep saying that the Albanians are leaving Kosova but they "forget" the fact that serbs are leaving corrupt Serbia in masses as well. I hear those Serbian moms complaining in the protests saying that the only way they can see and communicate with their kids is thru skype.

@the truth

So Trut welcome to Mars. O you don't like it? Then go to Albania with Albanian terrorists that you support.

About Russia’s position...Russia made it several times clear, that it is not more Serbian as the Serbs are. The time is over for Serbia to hide behind any Russian veto. Russia follows very clear that Serbia is playing the Russian card only to come closer to the West. The US made it more clear, any agreement is only for them ok if the us could accept it. That means no bad influence on the region, what means no advantage for Dodik and it must be possible to apply to the situation at the ground. This means, and ordinary albanian judge or policeman must be able and willingness to apply it. And this means, all at costs of any Serbian interests. Russia has no means to realize any Serbian wishes in the land locked country.

To: the truth
I suggest you do not know the true meaning of the word.
My view the Mars would be too good to send you, k albos there.
You are just sinner, nuisance try HELL. When you are busy directing me to the Mars and other contributors.

the new iniciative is to split serbia in 3. kosova takes medvegja, bujanovc, presheva, sandzak. hungaria takes vojvodina.

There is a great misunderstanding. The only proposal Merkel has, is a declaration about fundamental principles of an agreement. This will be a bit like the agreement between the both German states. It was short, only a common confirmation of the UN Charta as Basic of the Mutual Relation. This means the de facto recognition of the Prishtina state by Belgrade. That’s all. All other points will be subject of other agreements which mostly like between both German states ever were achieved in the subjects of property, citizenship etc . KFOR, 1244 etc are not subject of agreements between Belgrade or Prishtina, even not Moscow or Washington. In the moment Vucic and Dacic will convince Putin to open the way for Prishtina into the UN. Otherwise Prishtina is not interested in hot air agreements. Vucic is playing the old unsuccessful game from YU to sit between nicely between all chairs. It will also fails this time.

So, that would translate to community of Serbs untied in Kosovo, without any executive powers.

Yes , yes indeed y8u can have that and you will. That is as far as anyone will go for you lol.

@Staff

But we albanians dont even deserve that, how about no indepence what so ever?

Serbia proper will have:

-From the river Ibar and north including Zubin Potok.
-Gazivoda lake.
-UN and also EU will stay according to 1244. (Limited number, 130 all together is discussed)
-There will be Serbian cantons in all serbian church/monastary places including Patriach of Pec, Decani monastery and all serbian majority villages, enclaves and places.
-Kfor will stay to guard those places with international military. (Just like Nato are present in some countries after WW 2.)

Albanians will have:

-The rest of Kosovo as a country.
-Total independence.
-Membership UN, Unesco etc etc.
-Presevo town, not Bujanovac and not the so called corridor south/north.

Not agreed:

-Trepca mining complex (Serbia proper 25%, Kosovo 45%, US/Germany company 30%.
-Serbian police in the cantons.



1860 Kfor soldiers to stay. (900 Mitrovica region, 500 Kfor-hill Pristina and 460 as RRU Rapid Response Unit in Pec + Prizren.) Bondsteel stay and are not counted in those figures.

As you see, most are already agreed.

Serbia is in a total panic as they know that they have ZERO say-so on anything. Vucic has been flopping around like a fish out of water as he knows that Merkel is no Mogherini and she will get him to snap out of his delusional ideas fast. Vucic has always said that he wants to feel like he is wining something out of this agreement and the word on the street is that Merkel has set aside a lollipop and a sticker for him. This should make this painful experience less painful for him.

So, that would translate to community of Serbs untied in Kosovo, without any executive powers.
(Guest, 16 April 2019 14:32)

LOL it must be an Albanian cultural pastime to make things up out of nothing when presented evidence tells otherwise.

Where do you get this scenario out of an article that say an agreement that's "not to Pristina's advantage"? If anything, ZSO will get strong executive powers that closely tie it with the rest of Serbia. The only way I could see K-Serbs not have executive powers is if they are directly represented in and by Belgrade, making them a direct extension of the Serbian state. I could get on board that as long as it includes all current municipalities of ZSO, extends to the Gorani of Dragas who want nothing to do with you, and adds a number of additional villages and communities outside the current ZSO configuration. Throw in Gazivode, Trepca, and Brezovica and you guys can celebrate your "independence" with the Bill Clinton statue and a few tire repair shops that line the outskirts of Pristina.

Of course still without UN representation

Compromises, of course, must be made :)

@Staff

But we albanians dont even deserve that, how about no indepence what so ever?
(Glow, 16 April 2019 15:09)

Maybe you dont deserve any independence Glow. For me, I believe one should not steal a bit of a sovereign country. But its certainly not me or you who has decided what I wrote in my previous post. Its the big players + the Ngo’s. And this is how it will be.
(Staff, 16 April 2019 15:43)

Just had my chuckle of the day.

@Staff

But we albanians dont even deserve that, how about no indepence what so ever?
(Glow, 16 April 2019 15:09)

Maybe you dont deserve any independence Glow. For me, I believe one should not steal a bit of a sovereign country. But its certainly not me or you who has decided what I wrote in my previous post. Its the big players + the Ngo’s. And this is how it will be.

Serbia should keep Kosovo which is already in Serbia and all Albanians from Kosovo are advised to go back to Albania and have it all.

@Staff

But we albanians dont even deserve that, how about no indepence what so ever?
(Glow, 16 April 2019 15:09)

Maybe you dont deserve any independence Glow. For me, I believe one should not steal a bit of a sovereign country. But its certainly not me or you who has decided what I wrote in my previous post. Its the big players + the Ngo’s. And this is how it will be.
(Staff, 16 April 2019 15:43)

🤣🤣🤣

Vucic complains now about the demand that Serbia recognize Prishtina in Berlin. He says that he expect in Berlin a very hard time for him. But why he is going there, why he will meet Thaçi and Co. Without abolishing the taxes, what he is doing there. Why is not saying only NO and would be respected instead he is seen now as a pupet. What this person will do next to demagnetized the position of Serbia. If Prishtina is not fulfilling its obligation regarding ZSO, why Belgrade is not taking back his OK for the other parts of the Brussels agreements? Is he not able to play a real hard game without crying.

Serbia should keep Kosovo which is already in Serbia and all Albanians from Kosovo are advised to go back to Albania and have it all.
(vito, 16 April 2019 21:35)

You definitely are not from planet earth, and same goes for Ljiljana aka Lilly! Enjoy your life in Mars or whatever planed you are living/dreaming!

Greg:
1244,,ofcourse is alive&kicking on the Teritory KiM. If it was not alive
Bondsteel would not be there
Kfor would not be there.
You can go on translating this forever to suit your needs. It's rep Serbia and KiM. And whatever you say or think proof is in the pudding,call yourselves any name sovereign, republic, independant you will get same answer. Your "kosovo*" "is stuck in its tracks. Going nowhere.20" yrs. 11yrs.how many more? Problem is you try this, you try that to force rep Serbia in submission to a bunch of criminals. Blackmailing with cheap nasty tricks like 100%taxes. What if next price by suppliers to "" kosovo"*is up by 100%?
I call that crippled.

About Russia’s position...Russia made it several times clear, that it is not more Serbian as the Serbs are. The time is over for Serbia to hide behind any Russian veto. Russia follows very clear that Serbia is playing the Russian card only to come closer to the West. The US made it more clear, any agreement is only for them ok if the us could accept it. That means no bad influence on the region, what means no advantage for Dodik and it must be possible to apply to the situation at the ground. This means, and ordinary albanian judge or policeman must be able and willingness to apply it. And this means, all at costs of any Serbian interests. Russia has no means to realize any Serbian wishes in the land locked country.

Doubtful this report is true because when has Germany ever sought to understand Serbia's side? If it is, these territories better include the ZSO being directly under Serbian sovereignty and extra territorial status for the remaining monasteries.

Also, another poster importantly highlighted the Gorani. This Muslim community has some of the biggest Serbian patriots that there is. Loyal to the Serbian state and Serbia has to remain loyal to them. Anything that would leave Serbs and Gorani below the Ibar at the mercy of Pristina institutions is NOT a compromise and not worth Serbia's signature.

LOL it must be an Albanian cultural pastime to make things up out of nothing when presented evidence tells otherwise.
(LOL, 16 April 2019 15:03)

3....2.....1.....

"the new iniciative is to split serbia in 3. kosova takes medvegja, bujanovc, presheva, sandzak. hungaria takes vojvodina.
(bert, 16 April 2019 15:48)"

I swear, it's like clockwork. Complete with deliberately mangled English for the extra guffaw :D

Greg

So in other words Vucic is going to the meeting only to recognize Kosovo and to get it in the UN. Wow, that is a great deal for serbs. Serbs cant want for Vucic to sign that agreements.Are you albanians really that stupid? What planet are you from?

Serbia is in a total panic as they know that they have ZERO say-so on anything.
(Sunny Hill, 17 April 2019 01:57)

Again, I guess you people love to make up scenarios when you need a break from reality but ok, let's review a few things. First, Serbia has successfully lobbied to reduce the number of recognitions Kosovo has to nearly 100. Second, the international community envisions some sort of autonomous rule for Kosovo Serbs despite Albanian pissing and moaning over territory they never controlled in the first place. Third, Serbia is under no obligation to recognize Kosovo for EU membership. The most we get is that they "normalize" relations, whatever that means. Fourth, Haradinaj constantly complains the EU isn't being fair to him and his other organ harvesting murderers in anything they demand. Last, and most importantly, Serbia simply has to wait for Albanian intransigence and refusal to cooperate on anything to show it's useless dealing with you people, turn Kosovo into a frozen conflict, and let the EU wash its hands of the matter. In the meantime, the quality of life continues to deteriorate in "Europe's Youngest Democracy" as tens of thousands of Albanians leave every year because they know there's no hope there.

But yeah, comment that Serbia is in total panic in an article titled "not to Pristina's advantage" and you say the very country making the proposal is on your side. It must really be sunny on that hill you're on. Too bad those are medical lamps :)

(LOL, 17 April 2019 16:43)

Let me waste a second to educate yet another serb that has been brainwashed his entire life.
1. The revocations of recognations are an absolute joke. According to the political analysts there is no such thing as revoking ones recognition after it's been recognized once. Dacic has bought a few tiny countries to "revoke" recognitions just so he can earn himself some political points in Serbia. Ask yourself why Dacic hasn't had any luck with any other country revoking Kosova's recognition? The answer is that there is no other corrupt country that will go down the drain for few dinars that Dacic might offer to embarrass themselves with this type of nonsense.
2. There are only about 100 thousand of serbs in Kosova and they are not going to get anything more than what the Albanians in Serbia have. The idea that this small amount of serbs in Kosova will be getting anything more is DEAD.
3. Serbia will NEVER be able to enter the EU without recognizing Kosova. This is a fact that has been repeated by Germany over and over again.
4. Serbs here keep saying that the Albanians are leaving Kosova but they "forget" the fact that serbs are leaving corrupt Serbia in masses as well. I hear those Serbian moms complaining in the protests saying that the only way they can see and communicate with their kids is thru skype.

However it can never be in siptari advantage. By right, by the common sense.
It's our country we call the shots.
Crumbs only if we must.

Greg,

Vucic does not need to convince Putin of anything. Russia’s official position is to agree with whatever the state of Serbia finds reasonable.

Also, I find it highly unlikely that anything constructive will be done as long as Pristina keeps the 100% tax on Serbia. This is a non-starter as far as Serbia is concerned.

@the truth

So Trut welcome to Mars. O you don't like it? Then go to Albania with Albanian terrorists that you support.

To: the truth
I suggest you do not know the true meaning of the word.
My view the Mars would be too good to send you, k albos there.
You are just sinner, nuisance try HELL. When you are busy directing me to the Mars and other contributors.