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Friday, 22.03.2019.

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"NATO attack on Chinese embassy was accident? Not so sure"

NATO's airstrike against the Chinese embassy in Belgrade on May 7, 1999, may have been deliberate.

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Chi

pre 5 godina

Oh man, why do you act as a fool. Both of you ( serbians and russians know pretty well that spying radars which were used against NATO aircrafts were installed inside the Chinese Embassy , therefore NATO bombed it.
(kaqimadhi, 25 March 2019 00:32)

kaki, this is even a stretch for the Albanian imagination - spying radars, LOL! Are you sure there wasn't a nuke hidden inside the small embassy as well?!?!

sj

pre 5 godina

@SJ:

Well that's your opinion and you don't always make sense either.
(resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada, 25 March 2019 12:52)

This the best you could?

sj

pre 5 godina

(resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada, 25 March 2019 11:27)

I really don’t care what you think. You have no idea what you are talking about and from what I have read of your commentary in the past you don’t make sense most of the time.
Who declared Serbs war criminals? The Tribunal LOL. Who set that Tribunal up? the US. If it wanted justice why not set up a Court not Tribunal?
If the US was such a paragon of law and order as we keep hearing why has Mike Pompeo refused visas to the International Criminal Court investigators to enter the US to interview US military people on possible war crimes?

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 5 godina

@SJ:

After reading your comments if there are actually any Americans who would go as far as supporting or sympathizing with Serb war criminals I'd be ashamed of them and not pity them for "bellyaching" over the punishment of Serb war criminals.

sj

pre 5 godina

That little sj could be chief economist of China and Serbia. Strange no one took up that incredible offer. Now little sj rides the bus and hitchhikes threw the Balkans. Telling every one nauseatingly Serbia is a "innocent" criminality and China is the biggest of the greatest noodle superpowers.
(Lenard, 23 March 2019 09:48)

Lenny how Uljanik and 3 maj going? Broke yet? I hear that they bring in workers from Ukraine to finish jobs. How this happen to rich Croatia? how? You were only boasting a year ago about the great Croatian shipyards and how successful they were LOL.

How many foreign investors move to Croatia? Look VW looking for a new place why not Plenkovic offer Croatia and maybe it no become biggest retirement village in the world LOL.

sj

pre 5 godina

Lavrov and the Russians have had 20 years to investigate this and yet they are still not sure. I thought their intelligence services were among the most efficient in the world; maybe I need to rethink!
(ned taylor, 22 March 2019 17:37)

And you claim you were developing policies while working in BiH; doing what? making coffee for the office?
If you ever worked at that level you would have come into contact with diplomats and someone in Lavrov’s position would not make an outright claim since he is a high-ranking diplomat. The language of diplomacy is different to normal discourse and direct accusations are never made. It’s always indirect.

sj

pre 5 godina

(Tom L'Orizi, 22 March 2019 16:25)
The US bombed the Chinese Embassy – nothing more to elaborate.
From what I saw Clinton was just as surprised about the bombing. It’s obvious that the planning and execution were done by the US military/intelligence services. It was a high-risk gamble; to what end? I don’t know, but it ended in failure. NATO had all the coordinates of every Embassy in Belgrade so to claim a mistake is utter BS.
An attack on an embassy is a declaration of war on that country, and I think no further explanation of why Clinton had to contact the Chinese was necessary.
China was just beginning to emerge as an economic power and the US controlled the bulk of the international institutions such as the WTO, World Bank, IMF, International Finance Corporation and many others. Since China posed a serious threat the US could use membership/full access to these organisations to shape outcomes to their benefit.
The US conceded membership to the WTO and access to financial organisations. It surrendered all their leverage because of the “accidental bombing”, paid for a new embassy plus compensation to families who lost relatives.

sj

pre 5 godina

There's on old saying: "the strong beats you and won't let you cry". Same has happened to China.

It's quite funny reading the comments claiming NATO did very little damage to Serbia assets... They have thrown tons and tons of explosives... If they threw potatoes, Serbs would be still cleaning :).

Cheers.
(AnneMarie K., 25 March 2019 08:24)

The bit about the strong is so true. The West threw bombs left right and center in Kosovo and by the end of the war about 10,000 Albanians were killed. Some were killed by Serbs but about 90% lost their lives from NATO bombs. Then there is the depleted uranium that the US dropped in southern Kosovo that is still there today causing cancers and yet after all that the Albanians are very quiet while the US sent its condolences to Serbia about the bombing and loss of Serbian lives. We live in a funny world where the Us is far more concerned about their enemy than their friends.

AnneMarie K.

pre 5 godina

There's on old saying: "the strong beats you and won't let you cry". Same has happened to China.

It's quite funny reading the comments claiming NATO did very little damage to Serbia assets... They have thrown tons and tons of explosives... If they threw potatoes, Serbs would be still cleaning :).

Cheers.

kaqimadhi

pre 5 godina

Oh man, why do you act as a fool. Both of you ( serbians and russians know pretty well that spying radars which were used against NATO aircrafts were installed inside the Chinese Embassy , therefore NATO bombed it.

Chi

pre 5 godina

if Albanians are licking American boots, then serbs are licking the boots of russians. so whats the problem? Americans didn't invent the idea that serbs used yugoslav military to invade Slovenia. it's a reality recorded in the history books. so if someone reminds you of that history, itdoesnt mean they are supporting some American consipracy theory against serbs.
(Dardania'Alb, 22 March 2019 22:43

RaDard, the parallels you Albanian draw to make a point are comical. The Russians and Serbs have had a friendly relationship for over 700 years, you and the US have had one for 20 years. We don't lick their boots like you do with the Americans, we have mutual respect. It's okay for you the kiss ars with the US, just try not to compare us with you - we never did, and we will never kiss ars or hide behind skirts like you. Just because you're cowards, don't try to put us in the same club!!!

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 5 godina

Since this news article concerns China and someone in the comment section made references to Milosevic I thought of something and that is the same year that Milosevic passed away in his cell some or many of us are aware that he requested the Hague tribunal to seek medical treatment in Russia which was denied because of concern he would avoid returning to the Hague to face trial for war crimes despite Russia assuring his return to the Hague my question is if Milosevic requested the Hague to seek medical treatment in China would his request be denied because since China maintains close relations with Serbia the prosecution worried that China wouldn't keep its promise to send him back to the Hague? By the way I don't care if pro-Milosevic Chinese are upset that the Hague wouldn't let Milosevic receive medical treatment outside Holland.

Bob

pre 5 godina

Is this a news site, or is B92 just rehashing old stories as propaganda?

There has been a lot happening in Serbia in the last two decades, but this kind concentration on the nineties wars with the eternal implication of problems being caused by outside agencies makes Serbia look weak, incapable and without any control of its own destiny.

People are demonstrating in Belgrade about corruption now. A good investigative news site would have much digging to do and much to write about if it did its job properly.

Come on B92 - are you going to do your job properly rather than rehashing old news - or is it that Vucic has bought you out?

Mary

pre 5 godina

Diana,
If the 1999 bombing of Serbia was not effective, then why are you Chetniks constantly whining about how much the Serbs suffered.

Lenard

pre 5 godina

Which things did Clinton concede to Chinese?!
(Tom L'Orizi, 22 March 2019 16:25) That little sj could be chief economist of China and Serbia. Strange no one took up that incredible offer. Now little sj rides the bus and hitchhikes threw the Balkans. Telling every one nauseatingly Serbia is a "innocent" criminality and China is the biggest of the greatest noodle superpowers.

Backwards

pre 5 godina

After the bombing NATO couldn't believe the little damage done to the army. If, in the unlikely event the bombing was an accident, it shows how incompetent NATO is. (diana, 22 March 2019 11:38)

numerous comments etc on the ineffectiveness of NATO's bombing, guardian.com 9.3.2000, ny times 28.6 1999, Irish times 13 5 2000, kitpapsun.com 11.7.1999. of course there's also plenty of official documents on this and Wesley Clark took early retirement shortly afterwards, jumped while he could I expect. perhaps you can do some research yourself, I'm not optimistic as you call me but a realist. (diana, 22 March 2019 17:51)

Dear Diana,

Is that why Serb forces withdrew from Kosovo?

I wouldn't say you're a realist. Either you're an extreme optimist or a wishful thinker. So wishful that you can call withdrawal and loss a victory. Amazing!

Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

@LOL, are you saying that the yugoslav military belonged to serbs and hence why it wasn't illegal for serbia to use yugoslav armament to invade Slovenia? this attitude is exactly why the other provinces declared independence away from serb dominated yugoslavia and wanted no type of union with the serbian state.

Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

@LOL, the fact that you would minimize what serbia did in Slovenia, and attempt to brush it off as a small argument between 2 politicians, is a perfect example of the rest of your twisted rhetoric and corrupt ideology of thinking serbs deserve to hold power over others.im not sure how you think people will reconcile with your thought pattern, perhaps you should go and talk to a few slovenians that rememeber the events. and as far as the American boot licking comment, what does that have to do with anything that i posted? you asked what happened in slovenia and i simply answered with the reality. your reply is proof that you are willin to say and do anything in order to not have to deal with the reality of what your country serbia did to multiple different regions.

if Albanians are licking American boots, then serbs are licking the boots of russians. so whats the problem? Americans didn't invent the idea that serbs used yugoslav military to invade Slovenia. it's a reality recorded in the history books. so if someone reminds you of that history, itdoesnt mean they are supporting some American consipracy theory against serbs.

LOL

pre 5 godina

but if you will recall, serbia invaded Slovenia using illegally consolidated yugoslav military assets.
(Dardania'Alb, 22 March 2019 13:53)

LOL oh, you mean that weekend war orchestrated between Milosevic and Kucan? and how do you consolidate assets in a state that's still yours while the enemy is fighting a war of secession?

Keep licking that American boot :)

Azir

pre 5 godina

America apologized and compensated the Chinese government for the mistake and paid the victim’s families a couple of million to settle all claims ...

Serbia has no clue what it means to :

APOLOGIZE

COMPENSATE

SETTLE ALL ACCOUNTS!!

Azir

pre 5 godina

America apologized and compensated the Chinese government for the mistake and paid the victim’s families a couple of million to settle all claims ...

Serbia has no clue what it means to :

APOLOGIZE

COMPENSATE

SETTLE ALL ACCOUNTS!!

ned taylor

pre 5 godina

Lavrov and the Russians have had 20 years to investigate this and yet they are still not sure. I thought their intelligence services were among the most efficient in the world; maybe I need to rethink!

diana

pre 5 godina

backwards your name suits you, numerous comments etc on the ineffectiveness of NATO's bombing, guardian.com 9.3.2000, ny times 28.6 1999, Irish times 13 5 2000, kitpapsun.com 11.7.1999. of course there's also plenty of official documents on this and Wesley Clark took early retirement shortly afterwards, jumped while he could I expect. perhaps you can do some research yourself, I'm not optimistic as you call me but a realist.

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

Might have been deliberate????? There is no might, it was deliberate...
(sj, 22 March 2019 10:54)

OK, so you think it was deliberate!? Lets make this the starting point.
---------------------

... That little piece of US stupidity cost Washington a very heavy price. It would have been cheaper for the US to pay to rebuild the new Chinese Embassy with 24 carat gold bricks than what had occurred...
(sj, 22 March 2019 10:54)

What has occurred? Can you elaborate?!
-----------------------

... Bill Clinton tried for 3 days to contact the Chinese President, but he would not take any calls from the US...
(sj, 22 March 2019 10:54)

Why would Clinton try to contact the Chinese President for 3 days, if, as you say, he decided deliberately to strike the Chinese Embassy!? Why would he have a need to do so? It doesn't add up.
------------------------
... Clinton conceded many things to Beijing which under normal conditions they could have used against the Chinese.
(sj, 22 March 2019 10:54)

Which things did Clinton concede to Chinese?!

Backwards

pre 5 godina

nato was frustrated at their lack of success in bombing Serbia and thought the Chinese embassy was supplying intelligence to the Serb army and protecting milosovic , of course the bombing was deliberate. NATO hit hospitals, bridges, trains, TV stations because they couldn't hit military targets and wanted to frighten the civilian population. After the bombing NATO couldn't believe the little damage done to the army. If, in the unlikely event the bombing was an accident, it shows how incompetent NATO is. (diana, 22 March 2019 11:38)

For you, a crushing defeat even counts as a victory. Amazing!

You deserve an A+ for optimism! But an F for realism...

Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

@sj, we all know how you often times like to feign ignorance to serbia's role in the dismantling of yugoslavia, but if you will recall, serbia invaded Slovenia using illegally consolidated yugoslav military assets.

sj

pre 5 godina

@diana, what serbia did in kosova, bosna, Slovenia and Croatia, was far worse than what nato did to serbia. keep in mind that 1999 wasn't the first time NATO had to use force against serbs in order to stop the abuse and executions of civilians and children.
(Dardania'Alb, 22 March 2019 12:45)

What did Serbia do in Slovenia?

Zhukov

pre 5 godina

Fact: So called “NATO” had no knowledge of the targets or objectives being directed by the criminal control of the CIA. The CIA programmed the coordinates for bombing in the five JDAMs that were used in the American led terrorist attack on sovereign Chinese territory.

Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

@diana, what serbia did in kosova, bosna, Slovenia and Croatia, was far worse than what nato did to serbia. keep in mind that 1999 wasn't the first time NATO had to use force against serbs in order to stop the abuse and executions of civilians and children.

diana

pre 5 godina

nato was frustrated at their lack of success in bombing Serbia and thought the Chinese embassy was supplying intelligence to the Serb army and protecting milosovic , of course the bombing was deliberate. NATO hit hospitals, bridges, trains, TV stations because they couldn't hit military targets and wanted to frighten the civilian population. After the bombing NATO couldn't believe the little damage done to the army. If, in the unlikely event the bombing was an accident, it shows how incompetent NATO is.

sj

pre 5 godina

Might have been deliberate????? There is no might, it was deliberate. That little piece of US stupidity cost Washington a very heavy price. It would have been cheaper for the US to pay to rebuild the new Chinese Embassy with 24 carat gold bricks than what had occurred.
Bill Clinton tried for 3 days to contact the Chinese President, but he would not take any calls from the US.
Clinton conceded many things to Beijing which under normal conditions they could have used against the Chinese.

diana

pre 5 godina

nato was frustrated at their lack of success in bombing Serbia and thought the Chinese embassy was supplying intelligence to the Serb army and protecting milosovic , of course the bombing was deliberate. NATO hit hospitals, bridges, trains, TV stations because they couldn't hit military targets and wanted to frighten the civilian population. After the bombing NATO couldn't believe the little damage done to the army. If, in the unlikely event the bombing was an accident, it shows how incompetent NATO is.

sj

pre 5 godina

Might have been deliberate????? There is no might, it was deliberate. That little piece of US stupidity cost Washington a very heavy price. It would have been cheaper for the US to pay to rebuild the new Chinese Embassy with 24 carat gold bricks than what had occurred.
Bill Clinton tried for 3 days to contact the Chinese President, but he would not take any calls from the US.
Clinton conceded many things to Beijing which under normal conditions they could have used against the Chinese.

sj

pre 5 godina

@diana, what serbia did in kosova, bosna, Slovenia and Croatia, was far worse than what nato did to serbia. keep in mind that 1999 wasn't the first time NATO had to use force against serbs in order to stop the abuse and executions of civilians and children.
(Dardania'Alb, 22 March 2019 12:45)

What did Serbia do in Slovenia?

LOL

pre 5 godina

but if you will recall, serbia invaded Slovenia using illegally consolidated yugoslav military assets.
(Dardania'Alb, 22 March 2019 13:53)

LOL oh, you mean that weekend war orchestrated between Milosevic and Kucan? and how do you consolidate assets in a state that's still yours while the enemy is fighting a war of secession?

Keep licking that American boot :)

Zhukov

pre 5 godina

Fact: So called “NATO” had no knowledge of the targets or objectives being directed by the criminal control of the CIA. The CIA programmed the coordinates for bombing in the five JDAMs that were used in the American led terrorist attack on sovereign Chinese territory.

Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

@sj, we all know how you often times like to feign ignorance to serbia's role in the dismantling of yugoslavia, but if you will recall, serbia invaded Slovenia using illegally consolidated yugoslav military assets.

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

Might have been deliberate????? There is no might, it was deliberate...
(sj, 22 March 2019 10:54)

OK, so you think it was deliberate!? Lets make this the starting point.
---------------------

... That little piece of US stupidity cost Washington a very heavy price. It would have been cheaper for the US to pay to rebuild the new Chinese Embassy with 24 carat gold bricks than what had occurred...
(sj, 22 March 2019 10:54)

What has occurred? Can you elaborate?!
-----------------------

... Bill Clinton tried for 3 days to contact the Chinese President, but he would not take any calls from the US...
(sj, 22 March 2019 10:54)

Why would Clinton try to contact the Chinese President for 3 days, if, as you say, he decided deliberately to strike the Chinese Embassy!? Why would he have a need to do so? It doesn't add up.
------------------------
... Clinton conceded many things to Beijing which under normal conditions they could have used against the Chinese.
(sj, 22 March 2019 10:54)

Which things did Clinton concede to Chinese?!

Azir

pre 5 godina

America apologized and compensated the Chinese government for the mistake and paid the victim’s families a couple of million to settle all claims ...

Serbia has no clue what it means to :

APOLOGIZE

COMPENSATE

SETTLE ALL ACCOUNTS!!

Backwards

pre 5 godina

nato was frustrated at their lack of success in bombing Serbia and thought the Chinese embassy was supplying intelligence to the Serb army and protecting milosovic , of course the bombing was deliberate. NATO hit hospitals, bridges, trains, TV stations because they couldn't hit military targets and wanted to frighten the civilian population. After the bombing NATO couldn't believe the little damage done to the army. If, in the unlikely event the bombing was an accident, it shows how incompetent NATO is. (diana, 22 March 2019 11:38)

For you, a crushing defeat even counts as a victory. Amazing!

You deserve an A+ for optimism! But an F for realism...

ned taylor

pre 5 godina

Lavrov and the Russians have had 20 years to investigate this and yet they are still not sure. I thought their intelligence services were among the most efficient in the world; maybe I need to rethink!

Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

@diana, what serbia did in kosova, bosna, Slovenia and Croatia, was far worse than what nato did to serbia. keep in mind that 1999 wasn't the first time NATO had to use force against serbs in order to stop the abuse and executions of civilians and children.

diana

pre 5 godina

backwards your name suits you, numerous comments etc on the ineffectiveness of NATO's bombing, guardian.com 9.3.2000, ny times 28.6 1999, Irish times 13 5 2000, kitpapsun.com 11.7.1999. of course there's also plenty of official documents on this and Wesley Clark took early retirement shortly afterwards, jumped while he could I expect. perhaps you can do some research yourself, I'm not optimistic as you call me but a realist.

Azir

pre 5 godina

America apologized and compensated the Chinese government for the mistake and paid the victim’s families a couple of million to settle all claims ...

Serbia has no clue what it means to :

APOLOGIZE

COMPENSATE

SETTLE ALL ACCOUNTS!!

Chi

pre 5 godina

if Albanians are licking American boots, then serbs are licking the boots of russians. so whats the problem? Americans didn't invent the idea that serbs used yugoslav military to invade Slovenia. it's a reality recorded in the history books. so if someone reminds you of that history, itdoesnt mean they are supporting some American consipracy theory against serbs.
(Dardania'Alb, 22 March 2019 22:43

RaDard, the parallels you Albanian draw to make a point are comical. The Russians and Serbs have had a friendly relationship for over 700 years, you and the US have had one for 20 years. We don't lick their boots like you do with the Americans, we have mutual respect. It's okay for you the kiss ars with the US, just try not to compare us with you - we never did, and we will never kiss ars or hide behind skirts like you. Just because you're cowards, don't try to put us in the same club!!!

Lenard

pre 5 godina

Which things did Clinton concede to Chinese?!
(Tom L'Orizi, 22 March 2019 16:25) That little sj could be chief economist of China and Serbia. Strange no one took up that incredible offer. Now little sj rides the bus and hitchhikes threw the Balkans. Telling every one nauseatingly Serbia is a "innocent" criminality and China is the biggest of the greatest noodle superpowers.

Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

@LOL, the fact that you would minimize what serbia did in Slovenia, and attempt to brush it off as a small argument between 2 politicians, is a perfect example of the rest of your twisted rhetoric and corrupt ideology of thinking serbs deserve to hold power over others.im not sure how you think people will reconcile with your thought pattern, perhaps you should go and talk to a few slovenians that rememeber the events. and as far as the American boot licking comment, what does that have to do with anything that i posted? you asked what happened in slovenia and i simply answered with the reality. your reply is proof that you are willin to say and do anything in order to not have to deal with the reality of what your country serbia did to multiple different regions.

if Albanians are licking American boots, then serbs are licking the boots of russians. so whats the problem? Americans didn't invent the idea that serbs used yugoslav military to invade Slovenia. it's a reality recorded in the history books. so if someone reminds you of that history, itdoesnt mean they are supporting some American consipracy theory against serbs.

Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

@LOL, are you saying that the yugoslav military belonged to serbs and hence why it wasn't illegal for serbia to use yugoslav armament to invade Slovenia? this attitude is exactly why the other provinces declared independence away from serb dominated yugoslavia and wanted no type of union with the serbian state.

Mary

pre 5 godina

Diana,
If the 1999 bombing of Serbia was not effective, then why are you Chetniks constantly whining about how much the Serbs suffered.

Bob

pre 5 godina

Is this a news site, or is B92 just rehashing old stories as propaganda?

There has been a lot happening in Serbia in the last two decades, but this kind concentration on the nineties wars with the eternal implication of problems being caused by outside agencies makes Serbia look weak, incapable and without any control of its own destiny.

People are demonstrating in Belgrade about corruption now. A good investigative news site would have much digging to do and much to write about if it did its job properly.

Come on B92 - are you going to do your job properly rather than rehashing old news - or is it that Vucic has bought you out?

Backwards

pre 5 godina

After the bombing NATO couldn't believe the little damage done to the army. If, in the unlikely event the bombing was an accident, it shows how incompetent NATO is. (diana, 22 March 2019 11:38)

numerous comments etc on the ineffectiveness of NATO's bombing, guardian.com 9.3.2000, ny times 28.6 1999, Irish times 13 5 2000, kitpapsun.com 11.7.1999. of course there's also plenty of official documents on this and Wesley Clark took early retirement shortly afterwards, jumped while he could I expect. perhaps you can do some research yourself, I'm not optimistic as you call me but a realist. (diana, 22 March 2019 17:51)

Dear Diana,

Is that why Serb forces withdrew from Kosovo?

I wouldn't say you're a realist. Either you're an extreme optimist or a wishful thinker. So wishful that you can call withdrawal and loss a victory. Amazing!

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 5 godina

Since this news article concerns China and someone in the comment section made references to Milosevic I thought of something and that is the same year that Milosevic passed away in his cell some or many of us are aware that he requested the Hague tribunal to seek medical treatment in Russia which was denied because of concern he would avoid returning to the Hague to face trial for war crimes despite Russia assuring his return to the Hague my question is if Milosevic requested the Hague to seek medical treatment in China would his request be denied because since China maintains close relations with Serbia the prosecution worried that China wouldn't keep its promise to send him back to the Hague? By the way I don't care if pro-Milosevic Chinese are upset that the Hague wouldn't let Milosevic receive medical treatment outside Holland.

AnneMarie K.

pre 5 godina

There's on old saying: "the strong beats you and won't let you cry". Same has happened to China.

It's quite funny reading the comments claiming NATO did very little damage to Serbia assets... They have thrown tons and tons of explosives... If they threw potatoes, Serbs would be still cleaning :).

Cheers.

sj

pre 5 godina

That little sj could be chief economist of China and Serbia. Strange no one took up that incredible offer. Now little sj rides the bus and hitchhikes threw the Balkans. Telling every one nauseatingly Serbia is a "innocent" criminality and China is the biggest of the greatest noodle superpowers.
(Lenard, 23 March 2019 09:48)

Lenny how Uljanik and 3 maj going? Broke yet? I hear that they bring in workers from Ukraine to finish jobs. How this happen to rich Croatia? how? You were only boasting a year ago about the great Croatian shipyards and how successful they were LOL.

How many foreign investors move to Croatia? Look VW looking for a new place why not Plenkovic offer Croatia and maybe it no become biggest retirement village in the world LOL.

sj

pre 5 godina

(resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada, 25 March 2019 11:27)

I really don’t care what you think. You have no idea what you are talking about and from what I have read of your commentary in the past you don’t make sense most of the time.
Who declared Serbs war criminals? The Tribunal LOL. Who set that Tribunal up? the US. If it wanted justice why not set up a Court not Tribunal?
If the US was such a paragon of law and order as we keep hearing why has Mike Pompeo refused visas to the International Criminal Court investigators to enter the US to interview US military people on possible war crimes?

sj

pre 5 godina

(Tom L'Orizi, 22 March 2019 16:25)
The US bombed the Chinese Embassy – nothing more to elaborate.
From what I saw Clinton was just as surprised about the bombing. It’s obvious that the planning and execution were done by the US military/intelligence services. It was a high-risk gamble; to what end? I don’t know, but it ended in failure. NATO had all the coordinates of every Embassy in Belgrade so to claim a mistake is utter BS.
An attack on an embassy is a declaration of war on that country, and I think no further explanation of why Clinton had to contact the Chinese was necessary.
China was just beginning to emerge as an economic power and the US controlled the bulk of the international institutions such as the WTO, World Bank, IMF, International Finance Corporation and many others. Since China posed a serious threat the US could use membership/full access to these organisations to shape outcomes to their benefit.
The US conceded membership to the WTO and access to financial organisations. It surrendered all their leverage because of the “accidental bombing”, paid for a new embassy plus compensation to families who lost relatives.

sj

pre 5 godina

Lavrov and the Russians have had 20 years to investigate this and yet they are still not sure. I thought their intelligence services were among the most efficient in the world; maybe I need to rethink!
(ned taylor, 22 March 2019 17:37)

And you claim you were developing policies while working in BiH; doing what? making coffee for the office?
If you ever worked at that level you would have come into contact with diplomats and someone in Lavrov’s position would not make an outright claim since he is a high-ranking diplomat. The language of diplomacy is different to normal discourse and direct accusations are never made. It’s always indirect.

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 5 godina

@SJ:

After reading your comments if there are actually any Americans who would go as far as supporting or sympathizing with Serb war criminals I'd be ashamed of them and not pity them for "bellyaching" over the punishment of Serb war criminals.

Chi

pre 5 godina

Oh man, why do you act as a fool. Both of you ( serbians and russians know pretty well that spying radars which were used against NATO aircrafts were installed inside the Chinese Embassy , therefore NATO bombed it.
(kaqimadhi, 25 March 2019 00:32)

kaki, this is even a stretch for the Albanian imagination - spying radars, LOL! Are you sure there wasn't a nuke hidden inside the small embassy as well?!?!

kaqimadhi

pre 5 godina

Oh man, why do you act as a fool. Both of you ( serbians and russians know pretty well that spying radars which were used against NATO aircrafts were installed inside the Chinese Embassy , therefore NATO bombed it.

sj

pre 5 godina

There's on old saying: "the strong beats you and won't let you cry". Same has happened to China.

It's quite funny reading the comments claiming NATO did very little damage to Serbia assets... They have thrown tons and tons of explosives... If they threw potatoes, Serbs would be still cleaning :).

Cheers.
(AnneMarie K., 25 March 2019 08:24)

The bit about the strong is so true. The West threw bombs left right and center in Kosovo and by the end of the war about 10,000 Albanians were killed. Some were killed by Serbs but about 90% lost their lives from NATO bombs. Then there is the depleted uranium that the US dropped in southern Kosovo that is still there today causing cancers and yet after all that the Albanians are very quiet while the US sent its condolences to Serbia about the bombing and loss of Serbian lives. We live in a funny world where the Us is far more concerned about their enemy than their friends.

sj

pre 5 godina

@SJ:

Well that's your opinion and you don't always make sense either.
(resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada, 25 March 2019 12:52)

This the best you could?

Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

@diana, what serbia did in kosova, bosna, Slovenia and Croatia, was far worse than what nato did to serbia. keep in mind that 1999 wasn't the first time NATO had to use force against serbs in order to stop the abuse and executions of civilians and children.

Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

@sj, we all know how you often times like to feign ignorance to serbia's role in the dismantling of yugoslavia, but if you will recall, serbia invaded Slovenia using illegally consolidated yugoslav military assets.

Backwards

pre 5 godina

nato was frustrated at their lack of success in bombing Serbia and thought the Chinese embassy was supplying intelligence to the Serb army and protecting milosovic , of course the bombing was deliberate. NATO hit hospitals, bridges, trains, TV stations because they couldn't hit military targets and wanted to frighten the civilian population. After the bombing NATO couldn't believe the little damage done to the army. If, in the unlikely event the bombing was an accident, it shows how incompetent NATO is. (diana, 22 March 2019 11:38)

For you, a crushing defeat even counts as a victory. Amazing!

You deserve an A+ for optimism! But an F for realism...

Azir

pre 5 godina

America apologized and compensated the Chinese government for the mistake and paid the victim’s families a couple of million to settle all claims ...

Serbia has no clue what it means to :

APOLOGIZE

COMPENSATE

SETTLE ALL ACCOUNTS!!

sj

pre 5 godina

Might have been deliberate????? There is no might, it was deliberate. That little piece of US stupidity cost Washington a very heavy price. It would have been cheaper for the US to pay to rebuild the new Chinese Embassy with 24 carat gold bricks than what had occurred.
Bill Clinton tried for 3 days to contact the Chinese President, but he would not take any calls from the US.
Clinton conceded many things to Beijing which under normal conditions they could have used against the Chinese.

sj

pre 5 godina

@diana, what serbia did in kosova, bosna, Slovenia and Croatia, was far worse than what nato did to serbia. keep in mind that 1999 wasn't the first time NATO had to use force against serbs in order to stop the abuse and executions of civilians and children.
(Dardania'Alb, 22 March 2019 12:45)

What did Serbia do in Slovenia?

Azir

pre 5 godina

America apologized and compensated the Chinese government for the mistake and paid the victim’s families a couple of million to settle all claims ...

Serbia has no clue what it means to :

APOLOGIZE

COMPENSATE

SETTLE ALL ACCOUNTS!!

LOL

pre 5 godina

but if you will recall, serbia invaded Slovenia using illegally consolidated yugoslav military assets.
(Dardania'Alb, 22 March 2019 13:53)

LOL oh, you mean that weekend war orchestrated between Milosevic and Kucan? and how do you consolidate assets in a state that's still yours while the enemy is fighting a war of secession?

Keep licking that American boot :)

diana

pre 5 godina

nato was frustrated at their lack of success in bombing Serbia and thought the Chinese embassy was supplying intelligence to the Serb army and protecting milosovic , of course the bombing was deliberate. NATO hit hospitals, bridges, trains, TV stations because they couldn't hit military targets and wanted to frighten the civilian population. After the bombing NATO couldn't believe the little damage done to the army. If, in the unlikely event the bombing was an accident, it shows how incompetent NATO is.

Zhukov

pre 5 godina

Fact: So called “NATO” had no knowledge of the targets or objectives being directed by the criminal control of the CIA. The CIA programmed the coordinates for bombing in the five JDAMs that were used in the American led terrorist attack on sovereign Chinese territory.

Mary

pre 5 godina

Diana,
If the 1999 bombing of Serbia was not effective, then why are you Chetniks constantly whining about how much the Serbs suffered.

Backwards

pre 5 godina

After the bombing NATO couldn't believe the little damage done to the army. If, in the unlikely event the bombing was an accident, it shows how incompetent NATO is. (diana, 22 March 2019 11:38)

numerous comments etc on the ineffectiveness of NATO's bombing, guardian.com 9.3.2000, ny times 28.6 1999, Irish times 13 5 2000, kitpapsun.com 11.7.1999. of course there's also plenty of official documents on this and Wesley Clark took early retirement shortly afterwards, jumped while he could I expect. perhaps you can do some research yourself, I'm not optimistic as you call me but a realist. (diana, 22 March 2019 17:51)

Dear Diana,

Is that why Serb forces withdrew from Kosovo?

I wouldn't say you're a realist. Either you're an extreme optimist or a wishful thinker. So wishful that you can call withdrawal and loss a victory. Amazing!

Lenard

pre 5 godina

Which things did Clinton concede to Chinese?!
(Tom L'Orizi, 22 March 2019 16:25) That little sj could be chief economist of China and Serbia. Strange no one took up that incredible offer. Now little sj rides the bus and hitchhikes threw the Balkans. Telling every one nauseatingly Serbia is a "innocent" criminality and China is the biggest of the greatest noodle superpowers.

Tom L'Orizi

pre 5 godina

Might have been deliberate????? There is no might, it was deliberate...
(sj, 22 March 2019 10:54)

OK, so you think it was deliberate!? Lets make this the starting point.
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... That little piece of US stupidity cost Washington a very heavy price. It would have been cheaper for the US to pay to rebuild the new Chinese Embassy with 24 carat gold bricks than what had occurred...
(sj, 22 March 2019 10:54)

What has occurred? Can you elaborate?!
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... Bill Clinton tried for 3 days to contact the Chinese President, but he would not take any calls from the US...
(sj, 22 March 2019 10:54)

Why would Clinton try to contact the Chinese President for 3 days, if, as you say, he decided deliberately to strike the Chinese Embassy!? Why would he have a need to do so? It doesn't add up.
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... Clinton conceded many things to Beijing which under normal conditions they could have used against the Chinese.
(sj, 22 March 2019 10:54)

Which things did Clinton concede to Chinese?!

ned taylor

pre 5 godina

Lavrov and the Russians have had 20 years to investigate this and yet they are still not sure. I thought their intelligence services were among the most efficient in the world; maybe I need to rethink!

Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

@LOL, are you saying that the yugoslav military belonged to serbs and hence why it wasn't illegal for serbia to use yugoslav armament to invade Slovenia? this attitude is exactly why the other provinces declared independence away from serb dominated yugoslavia and wanted no type of union with the serbian state.

diana

pre 5 godina

backwards your name suits you, numerous comments etc on the ineffectiveness of NATO's bombing, guardian.com 9.3.2000, ny times 28.6 1999, Irish times 13 5 2000, kitpapsun.com 11.7.1999. of course there's also plenty of official documents on this and Wesley Clark took early retirement shortly afterwards, jumped while he could I expect. perhaps you can do some research yourself, I'm not optimistic as you call me but a realist.

Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

@LOL, the fact that you would minimize what serbia did in Slovenia, and attempt to brush it off as a small argument between 2 politicians, is a perfect example of the rest of your twisted rhetoric and corrupt ideology of thinking serbs deserve to hold power over others.im not sure how you think people will reconcile with your thought pattern, perhaps you should go and talk to a few slovenians that rememeber the events. and as far as the American boot licking comment, what does that have to do with anything that i posted? you asked what happened in slovenia and i simply answered with the reality. your reply is proof that you are willin to say and do anything in order to not have to deal with the reality of what your country serbia did to multiple different regions.

if Albanians are licking American boots, then serbs are licking the boots of russians. so whats the problem? Americans didn't invent the idea that serbs used yugoslav military to invade Slovenia. it's a reality recorded in the history books. so if someone reminds you of that history, itdoesnt mean they are supporting some American consipracy theory against serbs.

Chi

pre 5 godina

if Albanians are licking American boots, then serbs are licking the boots of russians. so whats the problem? Americans didn't invent the idea that serbs used yugoslav military to invade Slovenia. it's a reality recorded in the history books. so if someone reminds you of that history, itdoesnt mean they are supporting some American consipracy theory against serbs.
(Dardania'Alb, 22 March 2019 22:43

RaDard, the parallels you Albanian draw to make a point are comical. The Russians and Serbs have had a friendly relationship for over 700 years, you and the US have had one for 20 years. We don't lick their boots like you do with the Americans, we have mutual respect. It's okay for you the kiss ars with the US, just try not to compare us with you - we never did, and we will never kiss ars or hide behind skirts like you. Just because you're cowards, don't try to put us in the same club!!!

kaqimadhi

pre 5 godina

Oh man, why do you act as a fool. Both of you ( serbians and russians know pretty well that spying radars which were used against NATO aircrafts were installed inside the Chinese Embassy , therefore NATO bombed it.

sj

pre 5 godina

(resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada, 25 March 2019 11:27)

I really don’t care what you think. You have no idea what you are talking about and from what I have read of your commentary in the past you don’t make sense most of the time.
Who declared Serbs war criminals? The Tribunal LOL. Who set that Tribunal up? the US. If it wanted justice why not set up a Court not Tribunal?
If the US was such a paragon of law and order as we keep hearing why has Mike Pompeo refused visas to the International Criminal Court investigators to enter the US to interview US military people on possible war crimes?

Bob

pre 5 godina

Is this a news site, or is B92 just rehashing old stories as propaganda?

There has been a lot happening in Serbia in the last two decades, but this kind concentration on the nineties wars with the eternal implication of problems being caused by outside agencies makes Serbia look weak, incapable and without any control of its own destiny.

People are demonstrating in Belgrade about corruption now. A good investigative news site would have much digging to do and much to write about if it did its job properly.

Come on B92 - are you going to do your job properly rather than rehashing old news - or is it that Vucic has bought you out?

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 5 godina

Since this news article concerns China and someone in the comment section made references to Milosevic I thought of something and that is the same year that Milosevic passed away in his cell some or many of us are aware that he requested the Hague tribunal to seek medical treatment in Russia which was denied because of concern he would avoid returning to the Hague to face trial for war crimes despite Russia assuring his return to the Hague my question is if Milosevic requested the Hague to seek medical treatment in China would his request be denied because since China maintains close relations with Serbia the prosecution worried that China wouldn't keep its promise to send him back to the Hague? By the way I don't care if pro-Milosevic Chinese are upset that the Hague wouldn't let Milosevic receive medical treatment outside Holland.

sj

pre 5 godina

Lavrov and the Russians have had 20 years to investigate this and yet they are still not sure. I thought their intelligence services were among the most efficient in the world; maybe I need to rethink!
(ned taylor, 22 March 2019 17:37)

And you claim you were developing policies while working in BiH; doing what? making coffee for the office?
If you ever worked at that level you would have come into contact with diplomats and someone in Lavrov’s position would not make an outright claim since he is a high-ranking diplomat. The language of diplomacy is different to normal discourse and direct accusations are never made. It’s always indirect.

sj

pre 5 godina

There's on old saying: "the strong beats you and won't let you cry". Same has happened to China.

It's quite funny reading the comments claiming NATO did very little damage to Serbia assets... They have thrown tons and tons of explosives... If they threw potatoes, Serbs would be still cleaning :).

Cheers.
(AnneMarie K., 25 March 2019 08:24)

The bit about the strong is so true. The West threw bombs left right and center in Kosovo and by the end of the war about 10,000 Albanians were killed. Some were killed by Serbs but about 90% lost their lives from NATO bombs. Then there is the depleted uranium that the US dropped in southern Kosovo that is still there today causing cancers and yet after all that the Albanians are very quiet while the US sent its condolences to Serbia about the bombing and loss of Serbian lives. We live in a funny world where the Us is far more concerned about their enemy than their friends.

sj

pre 5 godina

That little sj could be chief economist of China and Serbia. Strange no one took up that incredible offer. Now little sj rides the bus and hitchhikes threw the Balkans. Telling every one nauseatingly Serbia is a "innocent" criminality and China is the biggest of the greatest noodle superpowers.
(Lenard, 23 March 2019 09:48)

Lenny how Uljanik and 3 maj going? Broke yet? I hear that they bring in workers from Ukraine to finish jobs. How this happen to rich Croatia? how? You were only boasting a year ago about the great Croatian shipyards and how successful they were LOL.

How many foreign investors move to Croatia? Look VW looking for a new place why not Plenkovic offer Croatia and maybe it no become biggest retirement village in the world LOL.

resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada

pre 5 godina

@SJ:

After reading your comments if there are actually any Americans who would go as far as supporting or sympathizing with Serb war criminals I'd be ashamed of them and not pity them for "bellyaching" over the punishment of Serb war criminals.

sj

pre 5 godina

@SJ:

Well that's your opinion and you don't always make sense either.
(resident of Fredericton,New Brunswick,Canada, 25 March 2019 12:52)

This the best you could?

AnneMarie K.

pre 5 godina

There's on old saying: "the strong beats you and won't let you cry". Same has happened to China.

It's quite funny reading the comments claiming NATO did very little damage to Serbia assets... They have thrown tons and tons of explosives... If they threw potatoes, Serbs would be still cleaning :).

Cheers.

sj

pre 5 godina

(Tom L'Orizi, 22 March 2019 16:25)
The US bombed the Chinese Embassy – nothing more to elaborate.
From what I saw Clinton was just as surprised about the bombing. It’s obvious that the planning and execution were done by the US military/intelligence services. It was a high-risk gamble; to what end? I don’t know, but it ended in failure. NATO had all the coordinates of every Embassy in Belgrade so to claim a mistake is utter BS.
An attack on an embassy is a declaration of war on that country, and I think no further explanation of why Clinton had to contact the Chinese was necessary.
China was just beginning to emerge as an economic power and the US controlled the bulk of the international institutions such as the WTO, World Bank, IMF, International Finance Corporation and many others. Since China posed a serious threat the US could use membership/full access to these organisations to shape outcomes to their benefit.
The US conceded membership to the WTO and access to financial organisations. It surrendered all their leverage because of the “accidental bombing”, paid for a new embassy plus compensation to families who lost relatives.

Chi

pre 5 godina

Oh man, why do you act as a fool. Both of you ( serbians and russians know pretty well that spying radars which were used against NATO aircrafts were installed inside the Chinese Embassy , therefore NATO bombed it.
(kaqimadhi, 25 March 2019 00:32)

kaki, this is even a stretch for the Albanian imagination - spying radars, LOL! Are you sure there wasn't a nuke hidden inside the small embassy as well?!?!