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Thursday, 24.01.2019.

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"They used to pick up guns, now they pick up phones"

EU Commissioner Johannes Hahn says "the relationship between Serbia and Kosovo has improved."

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Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

you didnt do any favors for yourself or for serbia by trying to mention the austrian study because both Schumacher and Matzinger have openly stated that Albanians are natives of this part of Europe and their language has been spoken there for the better part of the last 4,000 years. They are saying the opposite of what you and other serbs are saying, but here you are shamelessly using them as a reference for something.
you would know all about the ottoman masters because serbs had their own history of being vassals and handing over large numbers of women as concubines to the turks. whereas the Albanians only gave their sons for military service and Albanians even ended up taking power away from the serbian-turkish sultans through military force, and established their own independent states in the heart of the empire.

Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

Miloš Obilić no one nation or people can claim to be 100% anything. The Illyrians themselves had intermingled with various other tribes and peoples including Celts, Goths, thracians, Latins etc. But that still doesn't change the fact that Illyrian is the primary ancestor to the Albanians, as well as their language. This is the main conclusion by the majority of the world's scholars, compared to the 3 or 4 scholars that disagree. And those very few scholars that don't subscribe to the Illyrian theory, would rather still place Albanians as thracians. There is no other prevalent theories set out by academia for Albanians other than Illyrians or thracians. this means the serb propaganda regarding Albanian origins has no place in the realm of reality. it's just desperation on serbia's part for land grabbing agenda and attempt to disenfranchise the indigenous Albanian to their rightful lands such as Dardania. And don't even try to start with the genetic fantasy talk here. There is not a single genetic research anywhere in the world that has labeled I2A as 'illyrian'..that's just your own claim based from wishful thinking
Let us keep in mind that there are 4 or 5 different theories on serbian origins in which even other serbs cant agree with eachother,. this is a big difference and a big joke compared to the Albanians and the Illyro-thracian theories.

Miloš Obilić

pre 5 godina

Chi, what is with your obsession on the Albanian Illyrian heritage? You should be proud of your own heritage and stop chasing after something else that doesnt belong to you. This alone shows how out of touch with reality you are and you don't even know your own langauge and history. Serbs speak a Slavic language. The Illyrian(Albanian) language is an ancient langauge that stems from the Paleo-balkan family long before the arrival of serbs to the region. if you actually took the time to learn your own heritage history and language you wouldn't be making all these wild and delusional claims...especially on Albanian Dardania.
(Dardania'Alb, 26 January 2019 08:35)

Don't be such a idiot.
There's no evidence Albanians are - exclusively - of Illyrian descent, and the lack of Illyrian DNA haplogroups (I2A) in your blood isn't helping your claim either.
But what everyone does know, except you, is that your Prizren league invented this Albs-are-Illyrian myth to gain Albanian foothold in the Balkans after your masters the Ottomans were defeated and en-mass were leaving the peninsula; in the 1950's your boss Hoxha only ensured everyone started to believe in these myths by altering history books with his forgery.

Oh, and your language sucks Illyrian balls.
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/austrian-scholars-leave-albania-lost-for-words/

Zhukov

pre 5 godina

The United States announced...
(JS, 25 January 2019 10:39)

Is this the same United States that “announced” weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and the same United States responsible for deaths of hundreds of thousand Iraqis, Afghanis, Syrians, in their recent murderous rampages?

The intelligent world long ago discredited US “announcements”, and the only dimwits who actually believe US “announcements” are trolls with three fake Serbian farms and an army of farm workers, none of whom know how to prune vegetation.

Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

Chi, what is with your obsession on the Albanian Illyrian heritage? You should be proud of your own heritage and stop chasing after something else that doesnt belong to you. This alone shows how out of touch with reality you are and you don't even know your own langauge and history. Serbs speak a Slavic language. The Illyrian(Albanian) language is an ancient langauge that stems from the Paleo-balkan family long before the arrival of serbs to the region. if you actually took the time to learn your own heritage history and language you wouldn't be making all these wild and delusional claims...especially on Albanian Dardania.

JS

pre 5 godina

"And, you're not Illyrian.... LOL." (Chi, 25 January 2019 16:57)

I know; I'm ethnic Serb, for whatever that might be worth.
(JS, 25 January 2019 17:28)

Then, my friend, you are of Illyrian decent....
(Chi, 25 January 2019 18:31)

I guess that makes us "brothers"...

JS

pre 5 godina

The United States carried its action through until it achieved its clearly stated goals, not some imaginary goal of destroying Serbia or giving Kosovo to Albanians or some other wild far-fetched idea.
(JS, 25 January 2019 15:32)
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Seriously, your ignorance shines so stop making up so much BS. At least you admit unfamiliarity with events, so best to keep quiet unless you have something to support your BS.

The US was investing in "Kosova's*** independence" well before they started bombing and this was even admitted by them. Check this link from the US State Department -> [link]

Victoria Nuland admitted the US was investing in "Kosova's***" independence for 20 year back in 2016, making it 1996. How did you think they were going to achieve that? LOL! (Zoran, 25 January 2019 18:18)

You kinda proved a good point without me needing to make it. If that's all you've got to go on, you're standing on rather thin strings. America is an enornmous country with various branches of government. Just because a few employees push one way and a commentator later stretches their actions to try to make the government look very pro-independent Kosovo while visiting Pristina, it doesn't magically turn those actions into national policy. Zoran, you're reaching for straws.

Chi

pre 5 godina

"And, you're not Illyrian.... LOL." (Chi, 25 January 2019 16:57)

I know; I'm ethnic Serb, for whatever that might be worth.
(JS, 25 January 2019 17:28)

Then, my friend, you are of Illyrian decent....

Zoran

pre 5 godina

The United States carried its action through until it achieved its clearly stated goals, not some imaginary goal of destroying Serbia or giving Kosovo to Albanians or some other wild far-fetched idea.
(JS, 25 January 2019 15:32)
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Seriously, your ignorance shines so stop making up so much BS. At least you admit unfamiliarity with events, so best to keep quiet unless you have something to support your BS.

The US was investing in "Kosova's*** independence" well before they started bombing and this was even admitted by them. Check this link from the US State Department -> https://2009-2017.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/2016/jul/260028.htm

Victoria Nuland admitted the US was investing in "Kosova's***" independence for 20 year back in 2016, making it 1996. How did you think they were going to achieve that? LOL!

JS

pre 5 godina

"The reason that US/NATO bombed Serbia is crystal clear and had absolutely zero to do with preventing any further bloodshed in KiM, or any other part of the Balkans. One reason, and one reason only, was to occupy a piece of land so they could built a base because they feared Russia's influence and economic growth - basically becoming a Super Power."

It isn't necessary to do something to become something that you already are! Your comments are usually interesting but this one is just plain stupid.

"And, you're not Illyrian.... LOL." (Chi, 25 January 2019 16:57)

I know; I'm ethnic Serb, for whatever that might be worth.

JS

pre 5 godina

You are an Albo f*****t. The US bombing had NOTHING to do with any humanitarian goals. It was to establish a base in Kosovo to supposedly counter any Russian influence. (Jugogslavija, 25 January 2019 16:45)

Hey, sj, is that you?

Jugoslavija

pre 5 godina

However, the sale of the Nis refinery to Russia has been finalized for some time and has clearly been determined that Serbia came out with the short end of the stick. Some friends those Russians!
(Mary, 25 January 2019 05:52)
#
Completely the opposite, the deal with Gazprom has put Serbia in a position to be a major transit point for various pipeline projects including TurkStream which means more a royalty tax revenue base for the Serbian government. A foreign owned Telco means more tariffs and charges for the consumer.

Jugogslavija

pre 5 godina

(JS, 25 January 2019 10:39)

You are an Albo f*****t. The US bombing had NOTHING to do with any humanitarian goals. It was to establish a base in Kosovo to supposedly counter any Russian influence.

Humanitarian goals!! More Albanians citizens were killed with NATO bombing than Serbian. Only a moron believes that the bombing was an exercise in saving the Albanians from ethnic cleansing which was a Hollywood script. The fact of the matter is that the US still did not meet it's national interest because it still does not have control of Serbia which was the main goal of the Rambouillet ultimatum. Complete and free access of NATO through Serbian territory. The Germans tried the same with the pact with Prince Pavle in 1941 , however even that pact only allowed German Nazi troops temporary transit through Yugoslavian territory. In hindsight, it was the best agreement for Yugoslavia but Churchill pushed a coup de etat with Yugoslav General Simovic which led to "Operation Punishment" , the German Nazi bombing of Belgrade and eventual invasion of Greece and Yugoslavia. Sound familiar?

bert

pre 5 godina

europe has lost all credibility for kosova. thats why kosova wants america in their side. they are the ones who solve things. europeans are like a chicken with no head. yes mogherini, i am talking about you, yes hahn, i am talking about you. you deserve to be fired from the current job. i congratulate mister Haradinaj for telling the truth to this hipocrits to their face

Chi

pre 5 godina

I am not an arbiter of precisely what happened but I would say that the United States government was clear about what it thought was happening in Kosovo, what the resolution should be, and what it would do if the fighting didn't stop.

The United States carried its action through until it achieved its clearly stated goals, not some imaginary goal of destroying Serbia or giving Kosovo to Albanians or some other wild far-fetched idea.
(JS, 25 January 2019 15:32)

JS, I thought you might be "The Great Albanian Hope", but I might have been wrong. The reason that US/NATO bombed Serbia is crystal clear and had absolutely zero to do with preventing any further bloodshed in KiM, or any other part of the Balkans. One reason, and one reason only, was to occupy a piece of land so they could built a base because they feared Russia's influence and economic growth - basically becoming a Super Power. If you see something different, I can't separate you from Azir, Glow, Petey.Tommy, Avni, et al. There's truth, and then, there's everything else! Trying to skew or revise the truth, and history, seems to be a game the Albanians love to play - but, in actuality, the world knows, but some sit on the sidelines because they fear repercussions form the Global Bullies. And, you're not Illyrian.... LOL.

JS

pre 5 godina

LOL! That's really strange because there was no ethnic cleansing or alleged ethnic cleansing until *after* NATO started bombing. It was NATO bombs that caused it unless this war was unique and Albanians (and Serbs) wanted to remain in a war zone. That whole ethnic cleansing BS was a staged hoax. LOL! The real ethnic cleansing happened against the Serbs, not by the Serbs.
(Zoran, 25 January 2019 13:41)

I can't help you if you can read simple historical accounts.

I am not an arbiter of precisely what happened but I would say that the United States government was clear about what it thought was happening in Kosovo, what the resolution should be, and what it would do if the fighting didn't stop.

The United States carried its action through until it achieved its clearly stated goals, not some imaginary goal of destroying Serbia or giving Kosovo to Albanians or some other wild far-fetched idea.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

The United States announced that the bombing was intended to stop ethnic cleansing of Albanians in Kosovo. As far I can tell, that goal was achieved.
(JS, 25 January 2019 10:39)
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LOL! That's really strange because there was no ethnic cleansing or alleged ethnic cleansing until *after* NATO started bombing. It was NATO bombs that caused it unless this war was unique and Albanians (and Serbs) wanted to remain in a war zone. That whole ethnic cleansing BS was a staged hoax. LOL! The real ethnic cleansing happened against the Serbs, not by the Serbs.

sj

pre 5 godina

(JS, 25 January 2019 10:39)

You are an Albo f*****t. The US bombing had NOTHING to do with any humanitarian goals. It was to establish a base in Kosovo to supposedly counter any Russian influence.
If Milosevic allowed the US into Serbia nothing would have happened and Belgrade could have WIPED the Albos out and Washington would have done NOTHING. Look at what the Windbags have done to Saudi Arabia because of the murder of Jamal Khashoggi – NOTHING LOL.

JS

pre 5 godina

"Serbia was bombed for months from the worlds greatest powers and you achieved nothing! And i say nothing cause the result of it all is your still negotiating with serbia and crying for recognition which you will not get! I keep reading comments that kosovo with get the best training best equipment the best this the best that lol putting a racing seat on a donkey doesnt make it a racing car! Its still a donkey! (Dal, 25 January 2019 02:17)

The United States announced that the bombing was intended to stop ethnic cleansing of Albanians in Kosovo. As far I can tell, that goal was achieved.

Your analogy regarding the racing seat applies equally well to your implicit claim of regarding the purpose of the bombing campaign.

Principa, Gracanica, kosovo & Metohija Srbija

pre 5 godina

I hope someone in the govt can point out to Hahn that he perhaps should live the life of a Serb for a week to see if no guns picked up. He had some high profile examples recently where guns were used aggresivly by Albanians eg unwarranted arrest of Marko Djuric - of course Hahn would rather lie as he can't pretend that he is ignorant of this nor other instances.

Mary

pre 5 godina

Jugoslavija,
The terms for the sale of Albanian Telecom are not finalized as yet, so I think your criticism is a bit premature. However, the sale of the Nis refinery to Russia has been finalized for some time and has clearly been determined that Serbia came out with the short end of the stick. Some friends those Russians!

Dal

pre 5 godina

You guys are funny! You rave on about this kosovo military recieving the best training from the USA! LMAO when was the last time USA fought a ground war and won! They got pummled in vietnam against an under equiped guerilla force! Your so called best training wont help the weak and unbrave! You underestimate serbia so much cause you lot are raised with so much hatred it clouds your judgement! Serbia was bombed for months from the worlds greatest powers and you achieved nothing! And i say nothing cause the result of it all is your still negotiating with serbia and crying for recognition which you will not get! I keep reading comments that kosovo with get the best training best equipment the best this the best that lol putting a racing seat on a donkey doesnt make it a racing car! Its still a donkey!

Jugoslavija

pre 5 godina

Picking up phones for the Albanians is about to get a lot more expensive since they are going to try to sell the Telco at bottom feeder prices. Albanian economics 101, charge high , sell low.

L*O*G*I*C

pre 5 godina

Today, the presidents of these countries reach for the phone and call each other," the EU official has been quoted as saying


Presidents of those COUNTRIES.

So what they have each other on snap or viber? Let's set up a CS server and let them duel it out.


Sincerely,

Watcher

pre 5 godina

"They used to pick up guns, now they pick up phones"

Haha! Kosova just declared and is forming an Army that will reach 8,000 active duty with light and heavy weapons from tanks, howitzers, artillery and drones provided by Europe and America....Basically whatever is in the NATO inventory. And 8,000 is the beginning...clearly those numbers will be pumped up to 50,000 or more. They're receiving the best training from the world's most competent armies from USA to Britain to France to Germany to Turkey! A small territory like Kosova with its natural barriers and fortifications is easy to defend with a professional army armed to the teeth and we'll trained!! You'd need a ratio of 20 to 1 just to walk over the administrative line!. A nation of 7 million cannot even defeat 100% taxes let alone effectively invade😂

But yes.....we use phones😂

But we are also damn smart to know what needs to be done behind the scenes to ensure Kosova independence from now into eternity!
(USA Stands With Albanians, 24 January 2019 17:29)

@ us stands on Albanians - Way too many comic books for ya, little fella! LOL

Again, I wish I could buy you for what you're really worth and sell you for what you think you're worth, LOL, LOL

Chi

pre 5 godina

He said something without understanding what he said. The point that those who picked up guns, and called on killing of others during the war, and are in power now tells you that something is wrong. Any peace deal signed by them won't hold.
(Avni, 24 January 2019 19:14

I agree Avni, Thaci and Haradinaj need to be removed and replaced with people that done have the Terrorist KLA stigma associated with their background. Well said buddy....

Avni

pre 5 godina

He said something without understanding what he said. The point that those who picked up guns, and called on killing of others during the war, and are in power now tells you that something is wrong. Any peace deal signed by them won't hold.

CHi

pre 5 godina

But yes.....we use phones😂

But we are also damn smart to know what needs to be done behind the scenes to ensure Kosova independence from now into eternity!
(USA Stands With Albanians, 24 January 2019 17:29)

Dude, I have to say that I've seen a regression in your personality over the last few month - especially since everything is going against you. I think you should get some professional help - not kidding, because I think you finally lost you mind.

Oh, one container of light weapons from you Puppet Master US isn't going to arm a 50K terrorists. Get some help buddy, I'm sure your family needs you to stick around....

Also, stop changing aliases, that's also a sign of psychological issues... Glow!

EU Dude

pre 5 godina

Hahn, the impotent fool spinning failure as success. I'm sure he'll be a really successful hostage negotiator in his next job. Not.

USA Stands With Albanians

pre 5 godina

"They used to pick up guns, now they pick up phones"

Haha! Kosova just declared and is forming an Army that will reach 8,000 active duty with light and heavy weapons from tanks, howitzers, artillery and drones provided by Europe and America....Basically whatever is in the NATO inventory. And 8,000 is the beginning...clearly those numbers will be pumped up to 50,000 or more. They're receiving the best training from the world's most competent armies from USA to Britain to France to Germany to Turkey! A small territory like Kosova with its natural barriers and fortifications is easy to defend with a professional army armed to the teeth and we'll trained!! You'd need a ratio of 20 to 1 just to walk over the administrative line!. A nation of 7 million cannot even defeat 100% taxes let alone effectively invade😂

But yes.....we use phones😂

But we are also damn smart to know what needs to be done behind the scenes to ensure Kosova independence from now into eternity!

USA Stands With Albanians

pre 5 godina

"They used to pick up guns, now they pick up phones"

Haha! Kosova just declared and is forming an Army that will reach 8,000 active duty with light and heavy weapons from tanks, howitzers, artillery and drones provided by Europe and America....Basically whatever is in the NATO inventory. And 8,000 is the beginning...clearly those numbers will be pumped up to 50,000 or more. They're receiving the best training from the world's most competent armies from USA to Britain to France to Germany to Turkey! A small territory like Kosova with its natural barriers and fortifications is easy to defend with a professional army armed to the teeth and we'll trained!! You'd need a ratio of 20 to 1 just to walk over the administrative line!. A nation of 7 million cannot even defeat 100% taxes let alone effectively invade😂

But yes.....we use phones😂

But we are also damn smart to know what needs to be done behind the scenes to ensure Kosova independence from now into eternity!

Watcher

pre 5 godina

"They used to pick up guns, now they pick up phones"

Haha! Kosova just declared and is forming an Army that will reach 8,000 active duty with light and heavy weapons from tanks, howitzers, artillery and drones provided by Europe and America....Basically whatever is in the NATO inventory. And 8,000 is the beginning...clearly those numbers will be pumped up to 50,000 or more. They're receiving the best training from the world's most competent armies from USA to Britain to France to Germany to Turkey! A small territory like Kosova with its natural barriers and fortifications is easy to defend with a professional army armed to the teeth and we'll trained!! You'd need a ratio of 20 to 1 just to walk over the administrative line!. A nation of 7 million cannot even defeat 100% taxes let alone effectively invade😂

But yes.....we use phones😂

But we are also damn smart to know what needs to be done behind the scenes to ensure Kosova independence from now into eternity!
(USA Stands With Albanians, 24 January 2019 17:29)

@ us stands on Albanians - Way too many comic books for ya, little fella! LOL

Again, I wish I could buy you for what you're really worth and sell you for what you think you're worth, LOL, LOL

CHi

pre 5 godina

But yes.....we use phones😂

But we are also damn smart to know what needs to be done behind the scenes to ensure Kosova independence from now into eternity!
(USA Stands With Albanians, 24 January 2019 17:29)

Dude, I have to say that I've seen a regression in your personality over the last few month - especially since everything is going against you. I think you should get some professional help - not kidding, because I think you finally lost you mind.

Oh, one container of light weapons from you Puppet Master US isn't going to arm a 50K terrorists. Get some help buddy, I'm sure your family needs you to stick around....

Also, stop changing aliases, that's also a sign of psychological issues... Glow!

Chi

pre 5 godina

He said something without understanding what he said. The point that those who picked up guns, and called on killing of others during the war, and are in power now tells you that something is wrong. Any peace deal signed by them won't hold.
(Avni, 24 January 2019 19:14

I agree Avni, Thaci and Haradinaj need to be removed and replaced with people that done have the Terrorist KLA stigma associated with their background. Well said buddy....

EU Dude

pre 5 godina

Hahn, the impotent fool spinning failure as success. I'm sure he'll be a really successful hostage negotiator in his next job. Not.

Jugoslavija

pre 5 godina

Picking up phones for the Albanians is about to get a lot more expensive since they are going to try to sell the Telco at bottom feeder prices. Albanian economics 101, charge high , sell low.

Avni

pre 5 godina

He said something without understanding what he said. The point that those who picked up guns, and called on killing of others during the war, and are in power now tells you that something is wrong. Any peace deal signed by them won't hold.

Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

Chi, what is with your obsession on the Albanian Illyrian heritage? You should be proud of your own heritage and stop chasing after something else that doesnt belong to you. This alone shows how out of touch with reality you are and you don't even know your own langauge and history. Serbs speak a Slavic language. The Illyrian(Albanian) language is an ancient langauge that stems from the Paleo-balkan family long before the arrival of serbs to the region. if you actually took the time to learn your own heritage history and language you wouldn't be making all these wild and delusional claims...especially on Albanian Dardania.

sj

pre 5 godina

(JS, 25 January 2019 10:39)

You are an Albo f*****t. The US bombing had NOTHING to do with any humanitarian goals. It was to establish a base in Kosovo to supposedly counter any Russian influence.
If Milosevic allowed the US into Serbia nothing would have happened and Belgrade could have WIPED the Albos out and Washington would have done NOTHING. Look at what the Windbags have done to Saudi Arabia because of the murder of Jamal Khashoggi – NOTHING LOL.

Dal

pre 5 godina

You guys are funny! You rave on about this kosovo military recieving the best training from the USA! LMAO when was the last time USA fought a ground war and won! They got pummled in vietnam against an under equiped guerilla force! Your so called best training wont help the weak and unbrave! You underestimate serbia so much cause you lot are raised with so much hatred it clouds your judgement! Serbia was bombed for months from the worlds greatest powers and you achieved nothing! And i say nothing cause the result of it all is your still negotiating with serbia and crying for recognition which you will not get! I keep reading comments that kosovo with get the best training best equipment the best this the best that lol putting a racing seat on a donkey doesnt make it a racing car! Its still a donkey!

Principa, Gracanica, kosovo & Metohija Srbija

pre 5 godina

I hope someone in the govt can point out to Hahn that he perhaps should live the life of a Serb for a week to see if no guns picked up. He had some high profile examples recently where guns were used aggresivly by Albanians eg unwarranted arrest of Marko Djuric - of course Hahn would rather lie as he can't pretend that he is ignorant of this nor other instances.

JS

pre 5 godina

"Serbia was bombed for months from the worlds greatest powers and you achieved nothing! And i say nothing cause the result of it all is your still negotiating with serbia and crying for recognition which you will not get! I keep reading comments that kosovo with get the best training best equipment the best this the best that lol putting a racing seat on a donkey doesnt make it a racing car! Its still a donkey! (Dal, 25 January 2019 02:17)

The United States announced that the bombing was intended to stop ethnic cleansing of Albanians in Kosovo. As far I can tell, that goal was achieved.

Your analogy regarding the racing seat applies equally well to your implicit claim of regarding the purpose of the bombing campaign.

Mary

pre 5 godina

Jugoslavija,
The terms for the sale of Albanian Telecom are not finalized as yet, so I think your criticism is a bit premature. However, the sale of the Nis refinery to Russia has been finalized for some time and has clearly been determined that Serbia came out with the short end of the stick. Some friends those Russians!

Zoran

pre 5 godina

The United States announced that the bombing was intended to stop ethnic cleansing of Albanians in Kosovo. As far I can tell, that goal was achieved.
(JS, 25 January 2019 10:39)
--
LOL! That's really strange because there was no ethnic cleansing or alleged ethnic cleansing until *after* NATO started bombing. It was NATO bombs that caused it unless this war was unique and Albanians (and Serbs) wanted to remain in a war zone. That whole ethnic cleansing BS was a staged hoax. LOL! The real ethnic cleansing happened against the Serbs, not by the Serbs.

bert

pre 5 godina

europe has lost all credibility for kosova. thats why kosova wants america in their side. they are the ones who solve things. europeans are like a chicken with no head. yes mogherini, i am talking about you, yes hahn, i am talking about you. you deserve to be fired from the current job. i congratulate mister Haradinaj for telling the truth to this hipocrits to their face

Jugogslavija

pre 5 godina

(JS, 25 January 2019 10:39)

You are an Albo f*****t. The US bombing had NOTHING to do with any humanitarian goals. It was to establish a base in Kosovo to supposedly counter any Russian influence.

Humanitarian goals!! More Albanians citizens were killed with NATO bombing than Serbian. Only a moron believes that the bombing was an exercise in saving the Albanians from ethnic cleansing which was a Hollywood script. The fact of the matter is that the US still did not meet it's national interest because it still does not have control of Serbia which was the main goal of the Rambouillet ultimatum. Complete and free access of NATO through Serbian territory. The Germans tried the same with the pact with Prince Pavle in 1941 , however even that pact only allowed German Nazi troops temporary transit through Yugoslavian territory. In hindsight, it was the best agreement for Yugoslavia but Churchill pushed a coup de etat with Yugoslav General Simovic which led to "Operation Punishment" , the German Nazi bombing of Belgrade and eventual invasion of Greece and Yugoslavia. Sound familiar?

Chi

pre 5 godina

I am not an arbiter of precisely what happened but I would say that the United States government was clear about what it thought was happening in Kosovo, what the resolution should be, and what it would do if the fighting didn't stop.

The United States carried its action through until it achieved its clearly stated goals, not some imaginary goal of destroying Serbia or giving Kosovo to Albanians or some other wild far-fetched idea.
(JS, 25 January 2019 15:32)

JS, I thought you might be "The Great Albanian Hope", but I might have been wrong. The reason that US/NATO bombed Serbia is crystal clear and had absolutely zero to do with preventing any further bloodshed in KiM, or any other part of the Balkans. One reason, and one reason only, was to occupy a piece of land so they could built a base because they feared Russia's influence and economic growth - basically becoming a Super Power. If you see something different, I can't separate you from Azir, Glow, Petey.Tommy, Avni, et al. There's truth, and then, there's everything else! Trying to skew or revise the truth, and history, seems to be a game the Albanians love to play - but, in actuality, the world knows, but some sit on the sidelines because they fear repercussions form the Global Bullies. And, you're not Illyrian.... LOL.

Zhukov

pre 5 godina

The United States announced...
(JS, 25 January 2019 10:39)

Is this the same United States that “announced” weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and the same United States responsible for deaths of hundreds of thousand Iraqis, Afghanis, Syrians, in their recent murderous rampages?

The intelligent world long ago discredited US “announcements”, and the only dimwits who actually believe US “announcements” are trolls with three fake Serbian farms and an army of farm workers, none of whom know how to prune vegetation.

Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

you didnt do any favors for yourself or for serbia by trying to mention the austrian study because both Schumacher and Matzinger have openly stated that Albanians are natives of this part of Europe and their language has been spoken there for the better part of the last 4,000 years. They are saying the opposite of what you and other serbs are saying, but here you are shamelessly using them as a reference for something.
you would know all about the ottoman masters because serbs had their own history of being vassals and handing over large numbers of women as concubines to the turks. whereas the Albanians only gave their sons for military service and Albanians even ended up taking power away from the serbian-turkish sultans through military force, and established their own independent states in the heart of the empire.

L*O*G*I*C

pre 5 godina

Today, the presidents of these countries reach for the phone and call each other," the EU official has been quoted as saying


Presidents of those COUNTRIES.

So what they have each other on snap or viber? Let's set up a CS server and let them duel it out.


Sincerely,

Jugoslavija

pre 5 godina

However, the sale of the Nis refinery to Russia has been finalized for some time and has clearly been determined that Serbia came out with the short end of the stick. Some friends those Russians!
(Mary, 25 January 2019 05:52)
#
Completely the opposite, the deal with Gazprom has put Serbia in a position to be a major transit point for various pipeline projects including TurkStream which means more a royalty tax revenue base for the Serbian government. A foreign owned Telco means more tariffs and charges for the consumer.

Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

Miloš Obilić no one nation or people can claim to be 100% anything. The Illyrians themselves had intermingled with various other tribes and peoples including Celts, Goths, thracians, Latins etc. But that still doesn't change the fact that Illyrian is the primary ancestor to the Albanians, as well as their language. This is the main conclusion by the majority of the world's scholars, compared to the 3 or 4 scholars that disagree. And those very few scholars that don't subscribe to the Illyrian theory, would rather still place Albanians as thracians. There is no other prevalent theories set out by academia for Albanians other than Illyrians or thracians. this means the serb propaganda regarding Albanian origins has no place in the realm of reality. it's just desperation on serbia's part for land grabbing agenda and attempt to disenfranchise the indigenous Albanian to their rightful lands such as Dardania. And don't even try to start with the genetic fantasy talk here. There is not a single genetic research anywhere in the world that has labeled I2A as 'illyrian'..that's just your own claim based from wishful thinking
Let us keep in mind that there are 4 or 5 different theories on serbian origins in which even other serbs cant agree with eachother,. this is a big difference and a big joke compared to the Albanians and the Illyro-thracian theories.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

The United States carried its action through until it achieved its clearly stated goals, not some imaginary goal of destroying Serbia or giving Kosovo to Albanians or some other wild far-fetched idea.
(JS, 25 January 2019 15:32)
--
Seriously, your ignorance shines so stop making up so much BS. At least you admit unfamiliarity with events, so best to keep quiet unless you have something to support your BS.

The US was investing in "Kosova's*** independence" well before they started bombing and this was even admitted by them. Check this link from the US State Department -> https://2009-2017.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/2016/jul/260028.htm

Victoria Nuland admitted the US was investing in "Kosova's***" independence for 20 year back in 2016, making it 1996. How did you think they were going to achieve that? LOL!

Chi

pre 5 godina

"And, you're not Illyrian.... LOL." (Chi, 25 January 2019 16:57)

I know; I'm ethnic Serb, for whatever that might be worth.
(JS, 25 January 2019 17:28)

Then, my friend, you are of Illyrian decent....

JS

pre 5 godina

The United States carried its action through until it achieved its clearly stated goals, not some imaginary goal of destroying Serbia or giving Kosovo to Albanians or some other wild far-fetched idea.
(JS, 25 January 2019 15:32)
--
Seriously, your ignorance shines so stop making up so much BS. At least you admit unfamiliarity with events, so best to keep quiet unless you have something to support your BS.

The US was investing in "Kosova's*** independence" well before they started bombing and this was even admitted by them. Check this link from the US State Department -> [link]

Victoria Nuland admitted the US was investing in "Kosova's***" independence for 20 year back in 2016, making it 1996. How did you think they were going to achieve that? LOL! (Zoran, 25 January 2019 18:18)

You kinda proved a good point without me needing to make it. If that's all you've got to go on, you're standing on rather thin strings. America is an enornmous country with various branches of government. Just because a few employees push one way and a commentator later stretches their actions to try to make the government look very pro-independent Kosovo while visiting Pristina, it doesn't magically turn those actions into national policy. Zoran, you're reaching for straws.

Miloš Obilić

pre 5 godina

Chi, what is with your obsession on the Albanian Illyrian heritage? You should be proud of your own heritage and stop chasing after something else that doesnt belong to you. This alone shows how out of touch with reality you are and you don't even know your own langauge and history. Serbs speak a Slavic language. The Illyrian(Albanian) language is an ancient langauge that stems from the Paleo-balkan family long before the arrival of serbs to the region. if you actually took the time to learn your own heritage history and language you wouldn't be making all these wild and delusional claims...especially on Albanian Dardania.
(Dardania'Alb, 26 January 2019 08:35)

Don't be such a idiot.
There's no evidence Albanians are - exclusively - of Illyrian descent, and the lack of Illyrian DNA haplogroups (I2A) in your blood isn't helping your claim either.
But what everyone does know, except you, is that your Prizren league invented this Albs-are-Illyrian myth to gain Albanian foothold in the Balkans after your masters the Ottomans were defeated and en-mass were leaving the peninsula; in the 1950's your boss Hoxha only ensured everyone started to believe in these myths by altering history books with his forgery.

Oh, and your language sucks Illyrian balls.
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/austrian-scholars-leave-albania-lost-for-words/

JS

pre 5 godina

LOL! That's really strange because there was no ethnic cleansing or alleged ethnic cleansing until *after* NATO started bombing. It was NATO bombs that caused it unless this war was unique and Albanians (and Serbs) wanted to remain in a war zone. That whole ethnic cleansing BS was a staged hoax. LOL! The real ethnic cleansing happened against the Serbs, not by the Serbs.
(Zoran, 25 January 2019 13:41)

I can't help you if you can read simple historical accounts.

I am not an arbiter of precisely what happened but I would say that the United States government was clear about what it thought was happening in Kosovo, what the resolution should be, and what it would do if the fighting didn't stop.

The United States carried its action through until it achieved its clearly stated goals, not some imaginary goal of destroying Serbia or giving Kosovo to Albanians or some other wild far-fetched idea.

JS

pre 5 godina

You are an Albo f*****t. The US bombing had NOTHING to do with any humanitarian goals. It was to establish a base in Kosovo to supposedly counter any Russian influence. (Jugogslavija, 25 January 2019 16:45)

Hey, sj, is that you?

JS

pre 5 godina

"And, you're not Illyrian.... LOL." (Chi, 25 January 2019 16:57)

I know; I'm ethnic Serb, for whatever that might be worth.
(JS, 25 January 2019 17:28)

Then, my friend, you are of Illyrian decent....
(Chi, 25 January 2019 18:31)

I guess that makes us "brothers"...

JS

pre 5 godina

"The reason that US/NATO bombed Serbia is crystal clear and had absolutely zero to do with preventing any further bloodshed in KiM, or any other part of the Balkans. One reason, and one reason only, was to occupy a piece of land so they could built a base because they feared Russia's influence and economic growth - basically becoming a Super Power."

It isn't necessary to do something to become something that you already are! Your comments are usually interesting but this one is just plain stupid.

"And, you're not Illyrian.... LOL." (Chi, 25 January 2019 16:57)

I know; I'm ethnic Serb, for whatever that might be worth.

USA Stands With Albanians

pre 5 godina

"They used to pick up guns, now they pick up phones"

Haha! Kosova just declared and is forming an Army that will reach 8,000 active duty with light and heavy weapons from tanks, howitzers, artillery and drones provided by Europe and America....Basically whatever is in the NATO inventory. And 8,000 is the beginning...clearly those numbers will be pumped up to 50,000 or more. They're receiving the best training from the world's most competent armies from USA to Britain to France to Germany to Turkey! A small territory like Kosova with its natural barriers and fortifications is easy to defend with a professional army armed to the teeth and we'll trained!! You'd need a ratio of 20 to 1 just to walk over the administrative line!. A nation of 7 million cannot even defeat 100% taxes let alone effectively invade😂

But yes.....we use phones😂

But we are also damn smart to know what needs to be done behind the scenes to ensure Kosova independence from now into eternity!

Avni

pre 5 godina

He said something without understanding what he said. The point that those who picked up guns, and called on killing of others during the war, and are in power now tells you that something is wrong. Any peace deal signed by them won't hold.

CHi

pre 5 godina

But yes.....we use phones😂

But we are also damn smart to know what needs to be done behind the scenes to ensure Kosova independence from now into eternity!
(USA Stands With Albanians, 24 January 2019 17:29)

Dude, I have to say that I've seen a regression in your personality over the last few month - especially since everything is going against you. I think you should get some professional help - not kidding, because I think you finally lost you mind.

Oh, one container of light weapons from you Puppet Master US isn't going to arm a 50K terrorists. Get some help buddy, I'm sure your family needs you to stick around....

Also, stop changing aliases, that's also a sign of psychological issues... Glow!

Dal

pre 5 godina

You guys are funny! You rave on about this kosovo military recieving the best training from the USA! LMAO when was the last time USA fought a ground war and won! They got pummled in vietnam against an under equiped guerilla force! Your so called best training wont help the weak and unbrave! You underestimate serbia so much cause you lot are raised with so much hatred it clouds your judgement! Serbia was bombed for months from the worlds greatest powers and you achieved nothing! And i say nothing cause the result of it all is your still negotiating with serbia and crying for recognition which you will not get! I keep reading comments that kosovo with get the best training best equipment the best this the best that lol putting a racing seat on a donkey doesnt make it a racing car! Its still a donkey!

Chi

pre 5 godina

He said something without understanding what he said. The point that those who picked up guns, and called on killing of others during the war, and are in power now tells you that something is wrong. Any peace deal signed by them won't hold.
(Avni, 24 January 2019 19:14

I agree Avni, Thaci and Haradinaj need to be removed and replaced with people that done have the Terrorist KLA stigma associated with their background. Well said buddy....

Watcher

pre 5 godina

"They used to pick up guns, now they pick up phones"

Haha! Kosova just declared and is forming an Army that will reach 8,000 active duty with light and heavy weapons from tanks, howitzers, artillery and drones provided by Europe and America....Basically whatever is in the NATO inventory. And 8,000 is the beginning...clearly those numbers will be pumped up to 50,000 or more. They're receiving the best training from the world's most competent armies from USA to Britain to France to Germany to Turkey! A small territory like Kosova with its natural barriers and fortifications is easy to defend with a professional army armed to the teeth and we'll trained!! You'd need a ratio of 20 to 1 just to walk over the administrative line!. A nation of 7 million cannot even defeat 100% taxes let alone effectively invade😂

But yes.....we use phones😂

But we are also damn smart to know what needs to be done behind the scenes to ensure Kosova independence from now into eternity!
(USA Stands With Albanians, 24 January 2019 17:29)

@ us stands on Albanians - Way too many comic books for ya, little fella! LOL

Again, I wish I could buy you for what you're really worth and sell you for what you think you're worth, LOL, LOL

sj

pre 5 godina

(JS, 25 January 2019 10:39)

You are an Albo f*****t. The US bombing had NOTHING to do with any humanitarian goals. It was to establish a base in Kosovo to supposedly counter any Russian influence.
If Milosevic allowed the US into Serbia nothing would have happened and Belgrade could have WIPED the Albos out and Washington would have done NOTHING. Look at what the Windbags have done to Saudi Arabia because of the murder of Jamal Khashoggi – NOTHING LOL.

JS

pre 5 godina

"Serbia was bombed for months from the worlds greatest powers and you achieved nothing! And i say nothing cause the result of it all is your still negotiating with serbia and crying for recognition which you will not get! I keep reading comments that kosovo with get the best training best equipment the best this the best that lol putting a racing seat on a donkey doesnt make it a racing car! Its still a donkey! (Dal, 25 January 2019 02:17)

The United States announced that the bombing was intended to stop ethnic cleansing of Albanians in Kosovo. As far I can tell, that goal was achieved.

Your analogy regarding the racing seat applies equally well to your implicit claim of regarding the purpose of the bombing campaign.

Mary

pre 5 godina

Jugoslavija,
The terms for the sale of Albanian Telecom are not finalized as yet, so I think your criticism is a bit premature. However, the sale of the Nis refinery to Russia has been finalized for some time and has clearly been determined that Serbia came out with the short end of the stick. Some friends those Russians!

Jugoslavija

pre 5 godina

Picking up phones for the Albanians is about to get a lot more expensive since they are going to try to sell the Telco at bottom feeder prices. Albanian economics 101, charge high , sell low.

bert

pre 5 godina

europe has lost all credibility for kosova. thats why kosova wants america in their side. they are the ones who solve things. europeans are like a chicken with no head. yes mogherini, i am talking about you, yes hahn, i am talking about you. you deserve to be fired from the current job. i congratulate mister Haradinaj for telling the truth to this hipocrits to their face

Chi

pre 5 godina

"And, you're not Illyrian.... LOL." (Chi, 25 January 2019 16:57)

I know; I'm ethnic Serb, for whatever that might be worth.
(JS, 25 January 2019 17:28)

Then, my friend, you are of Illyrian decent....

Zhukov

pre 5 godina

The United States announced...
(JS, 25 January 2019 10:39)

Is this the same United States that “announced” weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and the same United States responsible for deaths of hundreds of thousand Iraqis, Afghanis, Syrians, in their recent murderous rampages?

The intelligent world long ago discredited US “announcements”, and the only dimwits who actually believe US “announcements” are trolls with three fake Serbian farms and an army of farm workers, none of whom know how to prune vegetation.

Principa, Gracanica, kosovo & Metohija Srbija

pre 5 godina

I hope someone in the govt can point out to Hahn that he perhaps should live the life of a Serb for a week to see if no guns picked up. He had some high profile examples recently where guns were used aggresivly by Albanians eg unwarranted arrest of Marko Djuric - of course Hahn would rather lie as he can't pretend that he is ignorant of this nor other instances.

Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

Chi, what is with your obsession on the Albanian Illyrian heritage? You should be proud of your own heritage and stop chasing after something else that doesnt belong to you. This alone shows how out of touch with reality you are and you don't even know your own langauge and history. Serbs speak a Slavic language. The Illyrian(Albanian) language is an ancient langauge that stems from the Paleo-balkan family long before the arrival of serbs to the region. if you actually took the time to learn your own heritage history and language you wouldn't be making all these wild and delusional claims...especially on Albanian Dardania.

L*O*G*I*C

pre 5 godina

Today, the presidents of these countries reach for the phone and call each other," the EU official has been quoted as saying


Presidents of those COUNTRIES.

So what they have each other on snap or viber? Let's set up a CS server and let them duel it out.


Sincerely,

Jugogslavija

pre 5 godina

(JS, 25 January 2019 10:39)

You are an Albo f*****t. The US bombing had NOTHING to do with any humanitarian goals. It was to establish a base in Kosovo to supposedly counter any Russian influence.

Humanitarian goals!! More Albanians citizens were killed with NATO bombing than Serbian. Only a moron believes that the bombing was an exercise in saving the Albanians from ethnic cleansing which was a Hollywood script. The fact of the matter is that the US still did not meet it's national interest because it still does not have control of Serbia which was the main goal of the Rambouillet ultimatum. Complete and free access of NATO through Serbian territory. The Germans tried the same with the pact with Prince Pavle in 1941 , however even that pact only allowed German Nazi troops temporary transit through Yugoslavian territory. In hindsight, it was the best agreement for Yugoslavia but Churchill pushed a coup de etat with Yugoslav General Simovic which led to "Operation Punishment" , the German Nazi bombing of Belgrade and eventual invasion of Greece and Yugoslavia. Sound familiar?

JS

pre 5 godina

You are an Albo f*****t. The US bombing had NOTHING to do with any humanitarian goals. It was to establish a base in Kosovo to supposedly counter any Russian influence. (Jugogslavija, 25 January 2019 16:45)

Hey, sj, is that you?

Zoran

pre 5 godina

The United States announced that the bombing was intended to stop ethnic cleansing of Albanians in Kosovo. As far I can tell, that goal was achieved.
(JS, 25 January 2019 10:39)
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LOL! That's really strange because there was no ethnic cleansing or alleged ethnic cleansing until *after* NATO started bombing. It was NATO bombs that caused it unless this war was unique and Albanians (and Serbs) wanted to remain in a war zone. That whole ethnic cleansing BS was a staged hoax. LOL! The real ethnic cleansing happened against the Serbs, not by the Serbs.

JS

pre 5 godina

LOL! That's really strange because there was no ethnic cleansing or alleged ethnic cleansing until *after* NATO started bombing. It was NATO bombs that caused it unless this war was unique and Albanians (and Serbs) wanted to remain in a war zone. That whole ethnic cleansing BS was a staged hoax. LOL! The real ethnic cleansing happened against the Serbs, not by the Serbs.
(Zoran, 25 January 2019 13:41)

I can't help you if you can read simple historical accounts.

I am not an arbiter of precisely what happened but I would say that the United States government was clear about what it thought was happening in Kosovo, what the resolution should be, and what it would do if the fighting didn't stop.

The United States carried its action through until it achieved its clearly stated goals, not some imaginary goal of destroying Serbia or giving Kosovo to Albanians or some other wild far-fetched idea.

Chi

pre 5 godina

I am not an arbiter of precisely what happened but I would say that the United States government was clear about what it thought was happening in Kosovo, what the resolution should be, and what it would do if the fighting didn't stop.

The United States carried its action through until it achieved its clearly stated goals, not some imaginary goal of destroying Serbia or giving Kosovo to Albanians or some other wild far-fetched idea.
(JS, 25 January 2019 15:32)

JS, I thought you might be "The Great Albanian Hope", but I might have been wrong. The reason that US/NATO bombed Serbia is crystal clear and had absolutely zero to do with preventing any further bloodshed in KiM, or any other part of the Balkans. One reason, and one reason only, was to occupy a piece of land so they could built a base because they feared Russia's influence and economic growth - basically becoming a Super Power. If you see something different, I can't separate you from Azir, Glow, Petey.Tommy, Avni, et al. There's truth, and then, there's everything else! Trying to skew or revise the truth, and history, seems to be a game the Albanians love to play - but, in actuality, the world knows, but some sit on the sidelines because they fear repercussions form the Global Bullies. And, you're not Illyrian.... LOL.

JS

pre 5 godina

"The reason that US/NATO bombed Serbia is crystal clear and had absolutely zero to do with preventing any further bloodshed in KiM, or any other part of the Balkans. One reason, and one reason only, was to occupy a piece of land so they could built a base because they feared Russia's influence and economic growth - basically becoming a Super Power."

It isn't necessary to do something to become something that you already are! Your comments are usually interesting but this one is just plain stupid.

"And, you're not Illyrian.... LOL." (Chi, 25 January 2019 16:57)

I know; I'm ethnic Serb, for whatever that might be worth.

JS

pre 5 godina

"And, you're not Illyrian.... LOL." (Chi, 25 January 2019 16:57)

I know; I'm ethnic Serb, for whatever that might be worth.
(JS, 25 January 2019 17:28)

Then, my friend, you are of Illyrian decent....
(Chi, 25 January 2019 18:31)

I guess that makes us "brothers"...

JS

pre 5 godina

The United States carried its action through until it achieved its clearly stated goals, not some imaginary goal of destroying Serbia or giving Kosovo to Albanians or some other wild far-fetched idea.
(JS, 25 January 2019 15:32)
--
Seriously, your ignorance shines so stop making up so much BS. At least you admit unfamiliarity with events, so best to keep quiet unless you have something to support your BS.

The US was investing in "Kosova's*** independence" well before they started bombing and this was even admitted by them. Check this link from the US State Department -> [link]

Victoria Nuland admitted the US was investing in "Kosova's***" independence for 20 year back in 2016, making it 1996. How did you think they were going to achieve that? LOL! (Zoran, 25 January 2019 18:18)

You kinda proved a good point without me needing to make it. If that's all you've got to go on, you're standing on rather thin strings. America is an enornmous country with various branches of government. Just because a few employees push one way and a commentator later stretches their actions to try to make the government look very pro-independent Kosovo while visiting Pristina, it doesn't magically turn those actions into national policy. Zoran, you're reaching for straws.

Miloš Obilić

pre 5 godina

Chi, what is with your obsession on the Albanian Illyrian heritage? You should be proud of your own heritage and stop chasing after something else that doesnt belong to you. This alone shows how out of touch with reality you are and you don't even know your own langauge and history. Serbs speak a Slavic language. The Illyrian(Albanian) language is an ancient langauge that stems from the Paleo-balkan family long before the arrival of serbs to the region. if you actually took the time to learn your own heritage history and language you wouldn't be making all these wild and delusional claims...especially on Albanian Dardania.
(Dardania'Alb, 26 January 2019 08:35)

Don't be such a idiot.
There's no evidence Albanians are - exclusively - of Illyrian descent, and the lack of Illyrian DNA haplogroups (I2A) in your blood isn't helping your claim either.
But what everyone does know, except you, is that your Prizren league invented this Albs-are-Illyrian myth to gain Albanian foothold in the Balkans after your masters the Ottomans were defeated and en-mass were leaving the peninsula; in the 1950's your boss Hoxha only ensured everyone started to believe in these myths by altering history books with his forgery.

Oh, and your language sucks Illyrian balls.
http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/austrian-scholars-leave-albania-lost-for-words/

EU Dude

pre 5 godina

Hahn, the impotent fool spinning failure as success. I'm sure he'll be a really successful hostage negotiator in his next job. Not.

Jugoslavija

pre 5 godina

However, the sale of the Nis refinery to Russia has been finalized for some time and has clearly been determined that Serbia came out with the short end of the stick. Some friends those Russians!
(Mary, 25 January 2019 05:52)
#
Completely the opposite, the deal with Gazprom has put Serbia in a position to be a major transit point for various pipeline projects including TurkStream which means more a royalty tax revenue base for the Serbian government. A foreign owned Telco means more tariffs and charges for the consumer.

Zoran

pre 5 godina

The United States carried its action through until it achieved its clearly stated goals, not some imaginary goal of destroying Serbia or giving Kosovo to Albanians or some other wild far-fetched idea.
(JS, 25 January 2019 15:32)
--
Seriously, your ignorance shines so stop making up so much BS. At least you admit unfamiliarity with events, so best to keep quiet unless you have something to support your BS.

The US was investing in "Kosova's*** independence" well before they started bombing and this was even admitted by them. Check this link from the US State Department -> https://2009-2017.state.gov/p/eur/rls/rm/2016/jul/260028.htm

Victoria Nuland admitted the US was investing in "Kosova's***" independence for 20 year back in 2016, making it 1996. How did you think they were going to achieve that? LOL!

Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

Miloš Obilić no one nation or people can claim to be 100% anything. The Illyrians themselves had intermingled with various other tribes and peoples including Celts, Goths, thracians, Latins etc. But that still doesn't change the fact that Illyrian is the primary ancestor to the Albanians, as well as their language. This is the main conclusion by the majority of the world's scholars, compared to the 3 or 4 scholars that disagree. And those very few scholars that don't subscribe to the Illyrian theory, would rather still place Albanians as thracians. There is no other prevalent theories set out by academia for Albanians other than Illyrians or thracians. this means the serb propaganda regarding Albanian origins has no place in the realm of reality. it's just desperation on serbia's part for land grabbing agenda and attempt to disenfranchise the indigenous Albanian to their rightful lands such as Dardania. And don't even try to start with the genetic fantasy talk here. There is not a single genetic research anywhere in the world that has labeled I2A as 'illyrian'..that's just your own claim based from wishful thinking
Let us keep in mind that there are 4 or 5 different theories on serbian origins in which even other serbs cant agree with eachother,. this is a big difference and a big joke compared to the Albanians and the Illyro-thracian theories.

Dardania'Alb

pre 5 godina

you didnt do any favors for yourself or for serbia by trying to mention the austrian study because both Schumacher and Matzinger have openly stated that Albanians are natives of this part of Europe and their language has been spoken there for the better part of the last 4,000 years. They are saying the opposite of what you and other serbs are saying, but here you are shamelessly using them as a reference for something.
you would know all about the ottoman masters because serbs had their own history of being vassals and handing over large numbers of women as concubines to the turks. whereas the Albanians only gave their sons for military service and Albanians even ended up taking power away from the serbian-turkish sultans through military force, and established their own independent states in the heart of the empire.