If a person is only capable of properly assessing their own faults, then what were you doing in this post?
(JS, 11 January 2019 09:59)
I was noting the fact that you were assessing the fault of others and not your own.
Don't you think that "objective observer" is a bit of an overstatement considering what you just posted?
(JS, 11 January 2019 09:59)
No.
Any other questions? (Objective Observer, 11 January 2019 13:20)
Yes, one more question: (a quote, first, so you know the basis of the question)
"There is no "all-knowing" mortal.
Your prejudicial views of the faith others, your warped assessment of the Serbian church exacerbate your ignorance.
The only person/group whose sins you are qualified to provide comment ....are your own." (Objective observer, 10 January 2019 22:01)
Is it reasonable to say that you are not making any moral assessment here?
chi, muslim and orthodox is the same thing.
===…==
Islam is not the same as Christianity or Judaism. It's a death cult started by a warlord Mohammad who plagiarised the Bible.
How the Hell can it be the same when it was started in the 7th century? Just because bits and pieces were taken from our scriptures doesn't make it on the same par as the real deal.
(Peggy)
same good, same base, I guess that was meant. Each religion is often used as base to influence people or to start wars. None of them is better or worse.
Biblical literacy among ethnic Serbs is close to zero. I don't understand how a person can claim to be a Christ-follower without a basic idea of who God is and what he commands.
(JS, 11 January 2019 07:24)
Not sure where you get your facts from based on Bible literacy. Don’t forget that all of Yugoslavia since 1945 was under Communism and many Churches were shut down. Contrary to your false statements, Christianity continues to be in the rise particularly in Greece, Serbia and Russia. I am sure that God does not mind some culture and tradition to build his flock.
However , since you are so dedicated to the strict adherence to Bible theology I urge you to seek the Orthodox monastic tradition . i.e become a monk
In your case, somehow I don’t think you will be touching the hand of God anytime soon, in fact, you may be running off cliffs squeling.
same good, same base, I guess that was meant. Each religion is often used as base to influence people or to start wars. None of them is better or worse. (Tito reloaded, 11 January 2019 12:02)
I don't agree with this belief but it was fairly stated, in a straightforward way that is open to discussion.
"Biblical literacy among ethnic Serbs is close to zero. I don't understand how a person can claim to be a Christ-follower without a basic idea of who God is and what he commands.
(JS, 11 January 2019 07:24)
Not sure where you get your facts from based on Bible literacy. Don’t forget that all of Yugoslavia since 1945 was under Communism and many Churches were shut down."
Based on personal experience living in southern Serbia. I have traveled around the country and asked many people questions about the Bible. The best educated are the Slovaks in Vojvodina. Of course our resident ultranationalists would say they aren't true Serbs even though they have lived in Serbia for generations. But the important point is that we agree on this.
"Contrary to your false statements, Christianity continues to be in the rise particularly in Greece, Serbia and Russia."
I never denied that some form of religion is on the rise.
"I am sure that God does not mind some culture and tradition to build his flock."
Tradition, yes. Pagan tradition, no. The Bible is replete with warnings not to follow the pagan ways of the surrounding nations.
"In your case, somehow I don’t think you will be touching the hand of God anytime soon, in fact, you may be running off cliffs squeling." (Jugislavija, 11 January 2019 12:17)
No. We’ve had enough of your lies.
(Zhukov, 10 January 2019 22:13)
I need you to congratulate you on this key milestone in your posting career: you wrote a post only containing one lie. Good job! You are getting better!
"The answer to your question is : Yes; we always need to understand more. There is no "all-knowing" mortal.
Your prejudicial views of the faith others, your warped assessment of the Serbian church exacerbate your ignorance.
The only person/group whose sins you are qualified to provide comment ....are your own. (Objective observer, 10 January 2019 22:01)
If a person is only capable of properly assessing their own faults, then what were you doing in this post?
Don't you think that "objective observer" is a bit of an overstatement considering what you just posted?
If you have not noticed, the separation of religion and politics is not strictly followed in Christian countries such as Greece and Serbia. The Russian Orthodox Church has been revived in Russia thanks to Putin. Maybe you prefer the growth of secularism and paganism which has gripped North America and Western Europe. (Jugoslavija, 10 January 2019 18:27)
Secularism is alive and well in Serbia because nearly everyone celebrates slava but many don't even believe in God. And the Orthodox priests with their unbiblical rituals and pagan celebratory traditions keeps paganism alive and well eighteen centuries after Constantine legalized Christianity in the Roman Empire.
Biblical literacy among ethnic Serbs is close to zero. I don't understand how a person can claim to be a Christ-follower without a basic idea of who God is and what he commands.
Just in case you're wondering what are some of the pagan traditions that are being followed by Serbian Orthodox, here is a link to a YouTube video where the participant explicitly states that the badnjak tradition was taken from paganism:
https://youtu.be/VL3bABlEf30
The statement comes very early in the video, around the twenty-second mark.
chi, muslim and orthodox is the same thing.
======================
Islam is not the same as Christianity or Judaism. It's a death cult started by a warlord Mohammad who plagiarised the Bible.
How the Hell can it be the same when it was started in the 7th century? Just because bits and pieces were taken from our scriptures doesn't make it on the same par as the real deal.
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
The answer to your question is : Yes; we always need to understand more. There is no "all-knowing" mortal.
Your prejudicial views of the faith others, your warped assessment of the Serbian church exacerbate your ignorance.
The only person/group whose sins you are qualified to provide comment ....are your own.
But Jesus never instructed his disciples to follow Caesar, to celebrate "national holidays," or to walk togeher with a godless person of any sort.
(JS, 9 January 2019 21:54)
If you have not noticed, the separation of religion and politics is not strictly followed in Christian countries such as Greece and Serbia. The Russian Orthodox Church has been revived in Russia thanks to Putin. Maybe you prefer the growth of secularism and paganism which has gripped North America and Western Europe.
you're a comedian and a troll.
(ernie, 10 January 2019 15:45)
If you would read the link that you shared with us you would realize that you are the troll. In case you already forgot your trollish post, here it is:
"hahahaha. golly you sound just like Lenard without the serbo-croatian accent." (ernie, 10 January 2019 00:33)
Trying to keep the discussion turned to substance, I asked you this:
"ernie,
Would you care to interact with my arguments?" (JS, 10 January 2019 10:54)
But as an excellent troll you again turned back to what you do best. But the invitation is still open, that is, to interact with my arguments on substantial matters.
I am a Protestant
(JS)
i guess that makes you in the eyes of many a new ethnical group (nationality) without state in Balkan meassures, considering that religion equals ethnical group in the eyes of certain people. (Tito reloaded, 10 January 2019 07:27)
That's true.
But they don't actually follow logic. They have certain emotionally-charged wishes then construct arguments to support those wishes.
hey watcher, speaking of organs, do you remember that nifty song the pro serbian troops were singing during the wars? ''hey milo send us salad, because tonight their will be meat''. literally singing about eating the livers and organs of dead civilians,.
chi, muslim and orthodox is the same thing. you both believe from the same abrahamic doctrines along with the pagan borrowings. be proud of your muslim-orthodox ideology. and while you are at it go and look at all the scandal involving numerous serbian bishops and priests. not really sure why you are trying to pretend like they are any different than imams.
I am a Protestant
(JS)
i guess that makes you in the eyes of many a new ethnical group (nationality) without state in Balkan meassures, considering that religion equals ethnical group in the eyes of certain people.
My allegiance is entirely to Christ and his kingdom. The so-called "Serbian church" is a paganized form of Christianity since a Christian, by definition, means "follower of Christ." My assessment is always from the perspective of faith because only God's perspective is true, only God's perspective mattters.(JS, 09. januar 2019 21:36)//////////////////// hahahaha. golly you sound just like Lenard without the serbo-croatian accent.
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
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I think we know everything we need to know about how your mind owrks based on what you wrote here.
It's not as though the Patriarch participated in the Mardi Gras in Sydney.
The prime minister said Serbia-RSa relations go beyond the formal frameworks of the usual bilateral cooperation and contained something much larger than the "diplomatic" and the administrative.
"What they are about is concrete, real care of Serbia for the survival and progress of the RS," Brnabic said. What they are is a large criminal stupidity of Serbia and Serbs. That will end very badly for both. Like the Serbian guru https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radovan_Karad%C5%BEi%C4%87 Karadzic said in one of his lucid moment. "If it wasn't for Serbia nothing would of happened in Bosnia". We all know where the war criminal blame lies with Serbia only a frozen conflict for now. Just keep holding hands you two the blind leading the blind just watch for the cliff.
The sexual behaviour of one participant at one public holiday has nothing to do with state of any church, unless of course you are an intolerant, hyperbolizing (aka lying) Albanian ultranationalist. (Zhukov, 9 January 2019 20:18)
The problem starts way back when the "Serbian church" submitted to temporal authority. That, in short, constituted apostacy because Jesus clearly stated that no one can serve two masters. Either they are faithful to the Lord in all things, or compromising and unfaithful to the Almighty..."So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth." (Revelation 3:16)
I realize that some Albanians will criticize the "Serbian church" as a means of discrediting the Serbian people but that is not my purpose. As a Christian, I don't believe there can ever be such thing as a "Serbian church" or a "Bosnian church" or an "Albanian church." There can only be Christian churches with Serbian members or Bosnian members or Albanian members. Preferably, they should be churches with members from all types of ethnic groups. Then they will manifest the glorious beauty of our wise Creator who adorned the fields with a multitude of different types of flowers!
"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb." (Revelation 7:9)
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
#
What an idiotic comment. If you are a so called Christian, Christ instructed his brethren to follow the laws of the gentiles , in that period, Caesar. For Serbia at this present points, its elected officials which includes Brnabic. For you , maybe the law of the jungle applies. (Jugoslavija, 9 January 2019 20:59)
Yes, Jesus instructed his disciples to "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's," that is, to pay taxes. But Jesus never instructed his disciples to follow Caesar, to celebrate "national holidays," or to walk togeher with a godless person of any sort.
If we look across the synoptic gospel narratives, Jesus almost entirely ignored the Roman Empire. He intentionally said almost nothing about the Roman Empire or its grand empire. Why? Because that empire is completely irrelevant. Anyone that submits to such empires, political leaders, or foreign authorities has apostatized. They don't have Jesus Christ as Lord. Many want Jesus as Savior but they don't want Jesus as Lord.
God-fearing persons are peaceful and submissive to ruling authorities but never celebrate them, worship with them, and certainly never glorify any nation because all nations are pagan, immoral, and hopeless.
JS, I had more hope for you than some other Albanians in this forum, but this comment seems to be beneath you based on that I've read in the past - you just proved me wrong and the under current of hate rears its ugly head again. In good turn, I'll fight fire with fire and stoop down to your gutter level. SO, an Iman and a child bride rapist walk into a bar.... i'll ask you, do we need to know anything more to understand this condition of the so-called Islamic mosque? (Chi, 9 January 2019 19:54)
You need to realize that I am a Protestant who tries to measure everything by Scripture. I am ethnically Serb, I have Serbian citizenship, and I live in Serbia but I measure everything by Scripture. My allegiance is entirely to Christ and his kingdom.
The so-called "Serbian church" is a paganized form of Christianity since a Christian, by definition, means "follower of Christ." My assessment is always from the perspective of faith because only God's perspective is true, only God's perspective matters. It has nothing to do with ethnicity, culture, or politics. I made this assessment on the basis of Scripture and the example of early Christians. I try to never take sides with nation-states or countries. I know you find that hard to believe. But I hope you understand why your interpretation of my assessment misses the mark.
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
The sexual behaviour of one participant at one public holiday has nothing to do with state of any church, unless of course you are an intolerant, hyperbolizing (aka lying) Albanian ultranationalist.
Predsjednica Republike Srpske odlikovala Brnabić i časnika JNA osuđenog u Hrvatskoj https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/predsjednica-republike-srpske-odlikovala-brnabic-i-casnika-jna-osu-enog-u-hrvatskoj-1293483
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
#
What an idiotic comment. If you are a so called Christian, Christ instructed his brethren to follow the laws of the gentiles , in that period, Caesar. For Serbia at this present points, its elected officials which includes Brnabic. For you , maybe the law of the jungle applies.
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
JS, I had more hope for you than some other Albanians in this forum, but this comment seems to be beneath you based on that I've read in the past - you just proved me wrong and the under current of hate rears its ugly head again. In good turn, I'll fight fire with fire and stoop down to your gutter level. SO, an Iman and a child bride rapist walk into a bar.... i'll ask you, do we need to know anything more to understand this condition of the so-called Islamic mosque?
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"? (JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
Crazy, Huh? ;) Kinda like having a Organ Seller & Infant killer running a "country", no? ;) Just crazy, know what I mean? (Watcher, 9 January 2019 17:36)
Sorry, watcher, I am not following. I guess you are referring to Albanian someone but I don't know almost anything about any of them.
this is another war serbia is starting in bosnia. its time for countries that sorround serbia to inform them that is republika serbska ask to join serbia than so should other parts of serbia join kosovo, albania, croatia and hungaria
JS,
I don’t think the patriarch would know the difference from her front and back. And, I doubt she has ever kissed anyone with such a long nose and beard.
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
Crazy, Huh? ;) Kinda like having a Organ Seller & Infant killer running a "country", no? ;) Just crazy, know what I mean?
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
Crazy, Huh? ;) Kinda like having a Organ Seller & Infant killer running a "country", no? ;) Just crazy, know what I mean?
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
The sexual behaviour of one participant at one public holiday has nothing to do with state of any church, unless of course you are an intolerant, hyperbolizing (aka lying) Albanian ultranationalist.
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
#
What an idiotic comment. If you are a so called Christian, Christ instructed his brethren to follow the laws of the gentiles , in that period, Caesar. For Serbia at this present points, its elected officials which includes Brnabic. For you , maybe the law of the jungle applies.
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
=======================
I think we know everything we need to know about how your mind owrks based on what you wrote here.
It's not as though the Patriarch participated in the Mardi Gras in Sydney.
this is another war serbia is starting in bosnia. its time for countries that sorround serbia to inform them that is republika serbska ask to join serbia than so should other parts of serbia join kosovo, albania, croatia and hungaria
Predsjednica Republike Srpske odlikovala Brnabić i časnika JNA osuđenog u Hrvatskoj https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/predsjednica-republike-srpske-odlikovala-brnabic-i-casnika-jna-osu-enog-u-hrvatskoj-1293483
JS, I had more hope for you than some other Albanians in this forum, but this comment seems to be beneath you based on that I've read in the past - you just proved me wrong and the under current of hate rears its ugly head again. In good turn, I'll fight fire with fire and stoop down to your gutter level. SO, an Iman and a child bride rapist walk into a bar.... i'll ask you, do we need to know anything more to understand this condition of the so-called Islamic mosque? (Chi, 9 January 2019 19:54)
You need to realize that I am a Protestant who tries to measure everything by Scripture. I am ethnically Serb, I have Serbian citizenship, and I live in Serbia but I measure everything by Scripture. My allegiance is entirely to Christ and his kingdom.
The so-called "Serbian church" is a paganized form of Christianity since a Christian, by definition, means "follower of Christ." My assessment is always from the perspective of faith because only God's perspective is true, only God's perspective matters. It has nothing to do with ethnicity, culture, or politics. I made this assessment on the basis of Scripture and the example of early Christians. I try to never take sides with nation-states or countries. I know you find that hard to believe. But I hope you understand why your interpretation of my assessment misses the mark.
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"? (JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
Crazy, Huh? ;) Kinda like having a Organ Seller & Infant killer running a "country", no? ;) Just crazy, know what I mean? (Watcher, 9 January 2019 17:36)
Sorry, watcher, I am not following. I guess you are referring to Albanian someone but I don't know almost anything about any of them.
hey watcher, speaking of organs, do you remember that nifty song the pro serbian troops were singing during the wars? ''hey milo send us salad, because tonight their will be meat''. literally singing about eating the livers and organs of dead civilians,.
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
JS, I had more hope for you than some other Albanians in this forum, but this comment seems to be beneath you based on that I've read in the past - you just proved me wrong and the under current of hate rears its ugly head again. In good turn, I'll fight fire with fire and stoop down to your gutter level. SO, an Iman and a child bride rapist walk into a bar.... i'll ask you, do we need to know anything more to understand this condition of the so-called Islamic mosque?
The sexual behaviour of one participant at one public holiday has nothing to do with state of any church, unless of course you are an intolerant, hyperbolizing (aka lying) Albanian ultranationalist. (Zhukov, 9 January 2019 20:18)
The problem starts way back when the "Serbian church" submitted to temporal authority. That, in short, constituted apostacy because Jesus clearly stated that no one can serve two masters. Either they are faithful to the Lord in all things, or compromising and unfaithful to the Almighty..."So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth." (Revelation 3:16)
I realize that some Albanians will criticize the "Serbian church" as a means of discrediting the Serbian people but that is not my purpose. As a Christian, I don't believe there can ever be such thing as a "Serbian church" or a "Bosnian church" or an "Albanian church." There can only be Christian churches with Serbian members or Bosnian members or Albanian members. Preferably, they should be churches with members from all types of ethnic groups. Then they will manifest the glorious beauty of our wise Creator who adorned the fields with a multitude of different types of flowers!
"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb." (Revelation 7:9)
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
#
What an idiotic comment. If you are a so called Christian, Christ instructed his brethren to follow the laws of the gentiles , in that period, Caesar. For Serbia at this present points, its elected officials which includes Brnabic. For you , maybe the law of the jungle applies. (Jugoslavija, 9 January 2019 20:59)
Yes, Jesus instructed his disciples to "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's," that is, to pay taxes. But Jesus never instructed his disciples to follow Caesar, to celebrate "national holidays," or to walk togeher with a godless person of any sort.
If we look across the synoptic gospel narratives, Jesus almost entirely ignored the Roman Empire. He intentionally said almost nothing about the Roman Empire or its grand empire. Why? Because that empire is completely irrelevant. Anyone that submits to such empires, political leaders, or foreign authorities has apostatized. They don't have Jesus Christ as Lord. Many want Jesus as Savior but they don't want Jesus as Lord.
God-fearing persons are peaceful and submissive to ruling authorities but never celebrate them, worship with them, and certainly never glorify any nation because all nations are pagan, immoral, and hopeless.
The prime minister said Serbia-RSa relations go beyond the formal frameworks of the usual bilateral cooperation and contained something much larger than the "diplomatic" and the administrative.
"What they are about is concrete, real care of Serbia for the survival and progress of the RS," Brnabic said. What they are is a large criminal stupidity of Serbia and Serbs. That will end very badly for both. Like the Serbian guru https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radovan_Karad%C5%BEi%C4%87 Karadzic said in one of his lucid moment. "If it wasn't for Serbia nothing would of happened in Bosnia". We all know where the war criminal blame lies with Serbia only a frozen conflict for now. Just keep holding hands you two the blind leading the blind just watch for the cliff.
JS,
I don’t think the patriarch would know the difference from her front and back. And, I doubt she has ever kissed anyone with such a long nose and beard.
I am a Protestant
(JS)
i guess that makes you in the eyes of many a new ethnical group (nationality) without state in Balkan meassures, considering that religion equals ethnical group in the eyes of certain people. (Tito reloaded, 10 January 2019 07:27)
That's true.
But they don't actually follow logic. They have certain emotionally-charged wishes then construct arguments to support those wishes.
But Jesus never instructed his disciples to follow Caesar, to celebrate "national holidays," or to walk togeher with a godless person of any sort.
(JS, 9 January 2019 21:54)
If you have not noticed, the separation of religion and politics is not strictly followed in Christian countries such as Greece and Serbia. The Russian Orthodox Church has been revived in Russia thanks to Putin. Maybe you prefer the growth of secularism and paganism which has gripped North America and Western Europe.
chi, muslim and orthodox is the same thing.
======================
Islam is not the same as Christianity or Judaism. It's a death cult started by a warlord Mohammad who plagiarised the Bible.
How the Hell can it be the same when it was started in the 7th century? Just because bits and pieces were taken from our scriptures doesn't make it on the same par as the real deal.
I am a Protestant
(JS)
i guess that makes you in the eyes of many a new ethnical group (nationality) without state in Balkan meassures, considering that religion equals ethnical group in the eyes of certain people.
chi, muslim and orthodox is the same thing. you both believe from the same abrahamic doctrines along with the pagan borrowings. be proud of your muslim-orthodox ideology. and while you are at it go and look at all the scandal involving numerous serbian bishops and priests. not really sure why you are trying to pretend like they are any different than imams.
you're a comedian and a troll.
(ernie, 10 January 2019 15:45)
If you would read the link that you shared with us you would realize that you are the troll. In case you already forgot your trollish post, here it is:
"hahahaha. golly you sound just like Lenard without the serbo-croatian accent." (ernie, 10 January 2019 00:33)
Trying to keep the discussion turned to substance, I asked you this:
"ernie,
Would you care to interact with my arguments?" (JS, 10 January 2019 10:54)
But as an excellent troll you again turned back to what you do best. But the invitation is still open, that is, to interact with my arguments on substantial matters.
My allegiance is entirely to Christ and his kingdom. The so-called "Serbian church" is a paganized form of Christianity since a Christian, by definition, means "follower of Christ." My assessment is always from the perspective of faith because only God's perspective is true, only God's perspective mattters.(JS, 09. januar 2019 21:36)//////////////////// hahahaha. golly you sound just like Lenard without the serbo-croatian accent.
If you have not noticed, the separation of religion and politics is not strictly followed in Christian countries such as Greece and Serbia. The Russian Orthodox Church has been revived in Russia thanks to Putin. Maybe you prefer the growth of secularism and paganism which has gripped North America and Western Europe. (Jugoslavija, 10 January 2019 18:27)
Secularism is alive and well in Serbia because nearly everyone celebrates slava but many don't even believe in God. And the Orthodox priests with their unbiblical rituals and pagan celebratory traditions keeps paganism alive and well eighteen centuries after Constantine legalized Christianity in the Roman Empire.
Biblical literacy among ethnic Serbs is close to zero. I don't understand how a person can claim to be a Christ-follower without a basic idea of who God is and what he commands.
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
The answer to your question is : Yes; we always need to understand more. There is no "all-knowing" mortal.
Your prejudicial views of the faith others, your warped assessment of the Serbian church exacerbate your ignorance.
The only person/group whose sins you are qualified to provide comment ....are your own.
Just in case you're wondering what are some of the pagan traditions that are being followed by Serbian Orthodox, here is a link to a YouTube video where the participant explicitly states that the badnjak tradition was taken from paganism:
https://youtu.be/VL3bABlEf30
The statement comes very early in the video, around the twenty-second mark.
"The answer to your question is : Yes; we always need to understand more. There is no "all-knowing" mortal.
Your prejudicial views of the faith others, your warped assessment of the Serbian church exacerbate your ignorance.
The only person/group whose sins you are qualified to provide comment ....are your own. (Objective observer, 10 January 2019 22:01)
If a person is only capable of properly assessing their own faults, then what were you doing in this post?
Don't you think that "objective observer" is a bit of an overstatement considering what you just posted?
No. We’ve had enough of your lies.
(Zhukov, 10 January 2019 22:13)
I need you to congratulate you on this key milestone in your posting career: you wrote a post only containing one lie. Good job! You are getting better!
Biblical literacy among ethnic Serbs is close to zero. I don't understand how a person can claim to be a Christ-follower without a basic idea of who God is and what he commands.
(JS, 11 January 2019 07:24)
Not sure where you get your facts from based on Bible literacy. Don’t forget that all of Yugoslavia since 1945 was under Communism and many Churches were shut down. Contrary to your false statements, Christianity continues to be in the rise particularly in Greece, Serbia and Russia. I am sure that God does not mind some culture and tradition to build his flock.
However , since you are so dedicated to the strict adherence to Bible theology I urge you to seek the Orthodox monastic tradition . i.e become a monk
In your case, somehow I don’t think you will be touching the hand of God anytime soon, in fact, you may be running off cliffs squeling.
"Biblical literacy among ethnic Serbs is close to zero. I don't understand how a person can claim to be a Christ-follower without a basic idea of who God is and what he commands.
(JS, 11 January 2019 07:24)
Not sure where you get your facts from based on Bible literacy. Don’t forget that all of Yugoslavia since 1945 was under Communism and many Churches were shut down."
Based on personal experience living in southern Serbia. I have traveled around the country and asked many people questions about the Bible. The best educated are the Slovaks in Vojvodina. Of course our resident ultranationalists would say they aren't true Serbs even though they have lived in Serbia for generations. But the important point is that we agree on this.
"Contrary to your false statements, Christianity continues to be in the rise particularly in Greece, Serbia and Russia."
I never denied that some form of religion is on the rise.
"I am sure that God does not mind some culture and tradition to build his flock."
Tradition, yes. Pagan tradition, no. The Bible is replete with warnings not to follow the pagan ways of the surrounding nations.
"In your case, somehow I don’t think you will be touching the hand of God anytime soon, in fact, you may be running off cliffs squeling." (Jugislavija, 11 January 2019 12:17)
If a person is only capable of properly assessing their own faults, then what were you doing in this post?
(JS, 11 January 2019 09:59)
I was noting the fact that you were assessing the fault of others and not your own.
Don't you think that "objective observer" is a bit of an overstatement considering what you just posted?
(JS, 11 January 2019 09:59)
No.
Any other questions? (Objective Observer, 11 January 2019 13:20)
Yes, one more question: (a quote, first, so you know the basis of the question)
"There is no "all-knowing" mortal.
Your prejudicial views of the faith others, your warped assessment of the Serbian church exacerbate your ignorance.
The only person/group whose sins you are qualified to provide comment ....are your own." (Objective observer, 10 January 2019 22:01)
Is it reasonable to say that you are not making any moral assessment here?
chi, muslim and orthodox is the same thing.
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Islam is not the same as Christianity or Judaism. It's a death cult started by a warlord Mohammad who plagiarised the Bible.
How the Hell can it be the same when it was started in the 7th century? Just because bits and pieces were taken from our scriptures doesn't make it on the same par as the real deal.
(Peggy)
same good, same base, I guess that was meant. Each religion is often used as base to influence people or to start wars. None of them is better or worse.
same good, same base, I guess that was meant. Each religion is often used as base to influence people or to start wars. None of them is better or worse. (Tito reloaded, 11 January 2019 12:02)
I don't agree with this belief but it was fairly stated, in a straightforward way that is open to discussion.
this is another war serbia is starting in bosnia. its time for countries that sorround serbia to inform them that is republika serbska ask to join serbia than so should other parts of serbia join kosovo, albania, croatia and hungaria
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
Crazy, Huh? ;) Kinda like having a Organ Seller & Infant killer running a "country", no? ;) Just crazy, know what I mean?
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
JS, I had more hope for you than some other Albanians in this forum, but this comment seems to be beneath you based on that I've read in the past - you just proved me wrong and the under current of hate rears its ugly head again. In good turn, I'll fight fire with fire and stoop down to your gutter level. SO, an Iman and a child bride rapist walk into a bar.... i'll ask you, do we need to know anything more to understand this condition of the so-called Islamic mosque?
JS,
I don’t think the patriarch would know the difference from her front and back. And, I doubt she has ever kissed anyone with such a long nose and beard.
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"? (JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
Crazy, Huh? ;) Kinda like having a Organ Seller & Infant killer running a "country", no? ;) Just crazy, know what I mean? (Watcher, 9 January 2019 17:36)
Sorry, watcher, I am not following. I guess you are referring to Albanian someone but I don't know almost anything about any of them.
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
The sexual behaviour of one participant at one public holiday has nothing to do with state of any church, unless of course you are an intolerant, hyperbolizing (aka lying) Albanian ultranationalist.
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
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What an idiotic comment. If you are a so called Christian, Christ instructed his brethren to follow the laws of the gentiles , in that period, Caesar. For Serbia at this present points, its elected officials which includes Brnabic. For you , maybe the law of the jungle applies.
The prime minister said Serbia-RSa relations go beyond the formal frameworks of the usual bilateral cooperation and contained something much larger than the "diplomatic" and the administrative.
"What they are about is concrete, real care of Serbia for the survival and progress of the RS," Brnabic said. What they are is a large criminal stupidity of Serbia and Serbs. That will end very badly for both. Like the Serbian guru https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radovan_Karad%C5%BEi%C4%87 Karadzic said in one of his lucid moment. "If it wasn't for Serbia nothing would of happened in Bosnia". We all know where the war criminal blame lies with Serbia only a frozen conflict for now. Just keep holding hands you two the blind leading the blind just watch for the cliff.
My allegiance is entirely to Christ and his kingdom. The so-called "Serbian church" is a paganized form of Christianity since a Christian, by definition, means "follower of Christ." My assessment is always from the perspective of faith because only God's perspective is true, only God's perspective mattters.(JS, 09. januar 2019 21:36)//////////////////// hahahaha. golly you sound just like Lenard without the serbo-croatian accent.
chi, muslim and orthodox is the same thing. you both believe from the same abrahamic doctrines along with the pagan borrowings. be proud of your muslim-orthodox ideology. and while you are at it go and look at all the scandal involving numerous serbian bishops and priests. not really sure why you are trying to pretend like they are any different than imams.
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
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I think we know everything we need to know about how your mind owrks based on what you wrote here.
It's not as though the Patriarch participated in the Mardi Gras in Sydney.
Predsjednica Republike Srpske odlikovala Brnabić i časnika JNA osuđenog u Hrvatskoj https://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/predsjednica-republike-srpske-odlikovala-brnabic-i-casnika-jna-osu-enog-u-hrvatskoj-1293483
I am a Protestant
(JS)
i guess that makes you in the eyes of many a new ethnical group (nationality) without state in Balkan meassures, considering that religion equals ethnical group in the eyes of certain people.
JS, I had more hope for you than some other Albanians in this forum, but this comment seems to be beneath you based on that I've read in the past - you just proved me wrong and the under current of hate rears its ugly head again. In good turn, I'll fight fire with fire and stoop down to your gutter level. SO, an Iman and a child bride rapist walk into a bar.... i'll ask you, do we need to know anything more to understand this condition of the so-called Islamic mosque? (Chi, 9 January 2019 19:54)
You need to realize that I am a Protestant who tries to measure everything by Scripture. I am ethnically Serb, I have Serbian citizenship, and I live in Serbia but I measure everything by Scripture. My allegiance is entirely to Christ and his kingdom.
The so-called "Serbian church" is a paganized form of Christianity since a Christian, by definition, means "follower of Christ." My assessment is always from the perspective of faith because only God's perspective is true, only God's perspective matters. It has nothing to do with ethnicity, culture, or politics. I made this assessment on the basis of Scripture and the example of early Christians. I try to never take sides with nation-states or countries. I know you find that hard to believe. But I hope you understand why your interpretation of my assessment misses the mark.
hey watcher, speaking of organs, do you remember that nifty song the pro serbian troops were singing during the wars? ''hey milo send us salad, because tonight their will be meat''. literally singing about eating the livers and organs of dead civilians,.
I am a Protestant
(JS)
i guess that makes you in the eyes of many a new ethnical group (nationality) without state in Balkan meassures, considering that religion equals ethnical group in the eyes of certain people. (Tito reloaded, 10 January 2019 07:27)
That's true.
But they don't actually follow logic. They have certain emotionally-charged wishes then construct arguments to support those wishes.
you're a comedian and a troll.
(ernie, 10 January 2019 15:45)
If you would read the link that you shared with us you would realize that you are the troll. In case you already forgot your trollish post, here it is:
"hahahaha. golly you sound just like Lenard without the serbo-croatian accent." (ernie, 10 January 2019 00:33)
Trying to keep the discussion turned to substance, I asked you this:
"ernie,
Would you care to interact with my arguments?" (JS, 10 January 2019 10:54)
But as an excellent troll you again turned back to what you do best. But the invitation is still open, that is, to interact with my arguments on substantial matters.
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
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What an idiotic comment. If you are a so called Christian, Christ instructed his brethren to follow the laws of the gentiles , in that period, Caesar. For Serbia at this present points, its elected officials which includes Brnabic. For you , maybe the law of the jungle applies. (Jugoslavija, 9 January 2019 20:59)
Yes, Jesus instructed his disciples to "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's," that is, to pay taxes. But Jesus never instructed his disciples to follow Caesar, to celebrate "national holidays," or to walk togeher with a godless person of any sort.
If we look across the synoptic gospel narratives, Jesus almost entirely ignored the Roman Empire. He intentionally said almost nothing about the Roman Empire or its grand empire. Why? Because that empire is completely irrelevant. Anyone that submits to such empires, political leaders, or foreign authorities has apostatized. They don't have Jesus Christ as Lord. Many want Jesus as Savior but they don't want Jesus as Lord.
God-fearing persons are peaceful and submissive to ruling authorities but never celebrate them, worship with them, and certainly never glorify any nation because all nations are pagan, immoral, and hopeless.
But Jesus never instructed his disciples to follow Caesar, to celebrate "national holidays," or to walk togeher with a godless person of any sort.
(JS, 9 January 2019 21:54)
If you have not noticed, the separation of religion and politics is not strictly followed in Christian countries such as Greece and Serbia. The Russian Orthodox Church has been revived in Russia thanks to Putin. Maybe you prefer the growth of secularism and paganism which has gripped North America and Western Europe.
No. We’ve had enough of your lies.
(Zhukov, 10 January 2019 22:13)
I need you to congratulate you on this key milestone in your posting career: you wrote a post only containing one lie. Good job! You are getting better!
A lesbian and a patriarch at the same celebrations. Do we need to know anything more to understand the condition of the so-called "Serbian church"?
(JS, 9 January 2019 11:59)
The answer to your question is : Yes; we always need to understand more. There is no "all-knowing" mortal.
Your prejudicial views of the faith others, your warped assessment of the Serbian church exacerbate your ignorance.
The only person/group whose sins you are qualified to provide comment ....are your own.
chi, muslim and orthodox is the same thing.
===…==
Islam is not the same as Christianity or Judaism. It's a death cult started by a warlord Mohammad who plagiarised the Bible.
How the Hell can it be the same when it was started in the 7th century? Just because bits and pieces were taken from our scriptures doesn't make it on the same par as the real deal.
(Peggy)
same good, same base, I guess that was meant. Each religion is often used as base to influence people or to start wars. None of them is better or worse.
The sexual behaviour of one participant at one public holiday has nothing to do with state of any church, unless of course you are an intolerant, hyperbolizing (aka lying) Albanian ultranationalist. (Zhukov, 9 January 2019 20:18)
The problem starts way back when the "Serbian church" submitted to temporal authority. That, in short, constituted apostacy because Jesus clearly stated that no one can serve two masters. Either they are faithful to the Lord in all things, or compromising and unfaithful to the Almighty..."So, because you are lukewarm--neither hot nor cold--I am about to spit you out of my mouth." (Revelation 3:16)
I realize that some Albanians will criticize the "Serbian church" as a means of discrediting the Serbian people but that is not my purpose. As a Christian, I don't believe there can ever be such thing as a "Serbian church" or a "Bosnian church" or an "Albanian church." There can only be Christian churches with Serbian members or Bosnian members or Albanian members. Preferably, they should be churches with members from all types of ethnic groups. Then they will manifest the glorious beauty of our wise Creator who adorned the fields with a multitude of different types of flowers!
"After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb." (Revelation 7:9)
If you have not noticed, the separation of religion and politics is not strictly followed in Christian countries such as Greece and Serbia. The Russian Orthodox Church has been revived in Russia thanks to Putin. Maybe you prefer the growth of secularism and paganism which has gripped North America and Western Europe. (Jugoslavija, 10 January 2019 18:27)
Secularism is alive and well in Serbia because nearly everyone celebrates slava but many don't even believe in God. And the Orthodox priests with their unbiblical rituals and pagan celebratory traditions keeps paganism alive and well eighteen centuries after Constantine legalized Christianity in the Roman Empire.
Biblical literacy among ethnic Serbs is close to zero. I don't understand how a person can claim to be a Christ-follower without a basic idea of who God is and what he commands.
Just in case you're wondering what are some of the pagan traditions that are being followed by Serbian Orthodox, here is a link to a YouTube video where the participant explicitly states that the badnjak tradition was taken from paganism:
https://youtu.be/VL3bABlEf30
The statement comes very early in the video, around the twenty-second mark.
"The answer to your question is : Yes; we always need to understand more. There is no "all-knowing" mortal.
Your prejudicial views of the faith others, your warped assessment of the Serbian church exacerbate your ignorance.
The only person/group whose sins you are qualified to provide comment ....are your own. (Objective observer, 10 January 2019 22:01)
If a person is only capable of properly assessing their own faults, then what were you doing in this post?
Don't you think that "objective observer" is a bit of an overstatement considering what you just posted?
Biblical literacy among ethnic Serbs is close to zero. I don't understand how a person can claim to be a Christ-follower without a basic idea of who God is and what he commands.
(JS, 11 January 2019 07:24)
Not sure where you get your facts from based on Bible literacy. Don’t forget that all of Yugoslavia since 1945 was under Communism and many Churches were shut down. Contrary to your false statements, Christianity continues to be in the rise particularly in Greece, Serbia and Russia. I am sure that God does not mind some culture and tradition to build his flock.
However , since you are so dedicated to the strict adherence to Bible theology I urge you to seek the Orthodox monastic tradition . i.e become a monk
In your case, somehow I don’t think you will be touching the hand of God anytime soon, in fact, you may be running off cliffs squeling.
"Biblical literacy among ethnic Serbs is close to zero. I don't understand how a person can claim to be a Christ-follower without a basic idea of who God is and what he commands.
(JS, 11 January 2019 07:24)
Not sure where you get your facts from based on Bible literacy. Don’t forget that all of Yugoslavia since 1945 was under Communism and many Churches were shut down."
Based on personal experience living in southern Serbia. I have traveled around the country and asked many people questions about the Bible. The best educated are the Slovaks in Vojvodina. Of course our resident ultranationalists would say they aren't true Serbs even though they have lived in Serbia for generations. But the important point is that we agree on this.
"Contrary to your false statements, Christianity continues to be in the rise particularly in Greece, Serbia and Russia."
I never denied that some form of religion is on the rise.
"I am sure that God does not mind some culture and tradition to build his flock."
Tradition, yes. Pagan tradition, no. The Bible is replete with warnings not to follow the pagan ways of the surrounding nations.
"In your case, somehow I don’t think you will be touching the hand of God anytime soon, in fact, you may be running off cliffs squeling." (Jugislavija, 11 January 2019 12:17)
If a person is only capable of properly assessing their own faults, then what were you doing in this post?
(JS, 11 January 2019 09:59)
I was noting the fact that you were assessing the fault of others and not your own.
Don't you think that "objective observer" is a bit of an overstatement considering what you just posted?
(JS, 11 January 2019 09:59)
No.
Any other questions? (Objective Observer, 11 January 2019 13:20)
Yes, one more question: (a quote, first, so you know the basis of the question)
"There is no "all-knowing" mortal.
Your prejudicial views of the faith others, your warped assessment of the Serbian church exacerbate your ignorance.
The only person/group whose sins you are qualified to provide comment ....are your own." (Objective observer, 10 January 2019 22:01)
Is it reasonable to say that you are not making any moral assessment here?
chi, muslim and orthodox is the same thing.
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Islam is not the same as Christianity or Judaism. It's a death cult started by a warlord Mohammad who plagiarised the Bible.
How the Hell can it be the same when it was started in the 7th century? Just because bits and pieces were taken from our scriptures doesn't make it on the same par as the real deal.
same good, same base, I guess that was meant. Each religion is often used as base to influence people or to start wars. None of them is better or worse. (Tito reloaded, 11 January 2019 12:02)
I don't agree with this belief but it was fairly stated, in a straightforward way that is open to discussion.
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