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Friday, 04.01.2019.

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Would Macedonian PM open border with Serbia and Bulgaria?

Macedonian Prime Minister Zoran Zaev has commented on <a href="https://www.b92.net/eng/news/region.php?yyyy=2019&mm=01&dd=01&nav_id=105893" class="text-link" target= "_blank">a recent statement</a> of Albanian Prime Minister Edi Rama concerning borders.

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Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

Zip: "250,000 serbs were expelled"

Zip, according to Yugoslav statistics, there were only 190,000 Serbs in Kosova in 1991. There are still about 100,000, so there could not possibly be 250k Serbs expelled.

Serb statistics of Serbs that have left Kosova, also includes Serbs from Krajina, that were sent there by Slobodan Milosevic, but they were not Kosova residents.

Chi

pre 5 godina

@mary,
"If you are unaware, over 100,000 homes were destroyed by Serb military, police and paramilitaries"

perhaps you are now aware that since these 100,000 homes were destroyed 250,000 serbs were expelled, hundreds of religious buildings destroyed or desecrated.
seems that "payback" has already been dealt.
ethic populations show that since 1991 albanian majority went from 81% to 93%, where as serb minority went from 10% to 1.5%. since 1948 it was 69% albanian majority to 24% serbian minority

in 70 years albanian population quadrupled, were as serbian stayed relatively constant until recently were it was cut to 15% of what it was in 20 years. that is a very evident, non-political, but numbers based display of evidence to ethnic cleansing. the other way around cannot be supported by the numbers.

so again, why an unbalanced solution?
why do you wish to push for one instead of trying to understand the imbalance?
(zip, 7 January 2019 20:01)

Zip, that was the Albo's modus operandi... under Tito, and his underhanded deals with the Albanians, he allowed and financially supported them. That's what allowed them to overbreed the territory of KiM. Their women should be praised for the IRON UTERi since they were popping out 12-15 kids per family. Now their birth rate is the same as the Serbs, but they're moving out in bigger numbers to the West - so, their population is severely declining.

zip

pre 5 godina

@mary,
"If you are unaware, over 100,000 homes were destroyed by Serb military, police and paramilitaries"

perhaps you are now aware that since these 100,000 homes were destroyed 250,000 serbs were expelled, hundreds of religious buildings destroyed or desecrated.
seems that "payback" has already been dealt.
ethic populations show that since 1991 albanian majority went from 81% to 93%, where as serb minority went from 10% to 1.5%. since 1948 it was 69% albanian majority to 24% serbian minority

in 70 years albanian population quadrupled, were as serbian stayed relatively constant until recently were it was cut to 15% of what it was in 20 years. that is a very evident, non-political, but numbers based display of evidence to ethnic cleansing. the other way around cannot be supported by the numbers.

so again, why an unbalanced solution?
why do you wish to push for one instead of trying to understand the imbalance?

Mary

pre 5 godina

Princip @ 4 Jan. 2019 11:54

Princip,
If you wish Vucic to question the credibility of others (Rama and Zaev), then he, himself, must have credibility. Think before you speak, if you wish to avoid embarrassing yourself.

sj

pre 5 godina

(Lol 3×, 4 January 2019 15:32)

The question is “Just how dumb are you?”
The Iranians could not illegally cross over in Hungary or Croatia using Serbia since its very heavily patrolled to stop the current lot of refugees from entering the EU. They can’t cross into Croatia from BiH for the same reason.
A group of Iranians were stopped in a boat off the coast of the UK in the English Channel and I suppose Serbia was also at fault there LOL. Please stop playing with it.
We you at the conference when the EU threatened Serbia with visa cancellations? What chair did you occupy at this meeting? Since you were there what happened to visa free travel for Kosova? Its in Serbia’s interest to stop the Iranians because if they can’t enter the EU some could then seek asylum and be stuck with them.
Yep Serbia is a weak country, in fact so weak it has not, and never will recognise Kosova and you are a very dumb individual if you think your tariffs are hurting Serbia. My God you people are delusional; legends in your own mind LOL. This Kosova must be an economic miracle where its powers are far beyond anyone could imagine. That’s why well over 1 million have left so far because of that miracle LOL.

diaspora

pre 5 godina

wake up... both the Macedonian and Albanian PM's are just deflecting public attention away from there corrupt administrations by raising public debate about open borders... the whole Balkans is (and has been for at least the last 30 years) been suffering from high unemployment, low average income, negative income growth (relative to inflation), corruption, cronyism, and population decline. but lets not wast time taking about those topics, let divert the conversation to 'open boarders' because that will solve everything and lets not wast time talking about the high unemployment, corruption and population decline in Albania, Macedonia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Montenegro, BiH.

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

@Albanopolis: yes, a split is the best option at the moment. But it would be opposed by many albanoan and serbian nationalists that want to have revange or want to feel like they have the rule over some of the other group.
There are many serbs that hardly care about Kosovo, they have enough problems with paying bills and feeding there families.
The politicians at power in Belgrade and Pristina are the problem. This are at the moment warlords and warsupporters from the 90s that would have problems to stay at power afterwards.

123viç

pre 5 godina

It’s “MontenegrA” god damn it. All balkan countires are feminine. Now pass the by/orek with beef, some of that with cheese and spinach, and some rakiA. Hajde gëzuar.

BLACK EAGLE

pre 5 godina

Guys can you please stop blaming each other for a while and enjoy your short lifes and specially the freedom of movement otherwise god will punish us with isolation. For god sake is the begging New Year now and leave politics alone.

Happy Year and good luck for everyone.

Cheers dudes.

pizza guy

pre 5 godina

albania, kosova, greece, new macedonia, montenegro need to take advantage of this and help each other. serbia is the black sheep in the balkans. they can have their dictators
(bert, 4 January 2019 16:58)

Are you the same bert that advised Madonna to get her butt enlarged by the same quack that enlarged Rocky's and roberto's behinds?? If you are, you need to quit advising.

If you don't believe me just ask any Croat or Albanian

pre 5 godina

No EU country can open its the border without the consent of Brussels and the other EU countries.
(Contractor, 4 January 2019 13:53)

If you are cannon fodder for Russia you can do almost anything and Brussels will turn
the blind eye. Now that's a proven fact and the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Lenard

pre 5 godina

Good fences and border controls make for good neighbors. If they still don't get it a strong armed forces to kick the dumb asses.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

zip: "why not northern kosovo to serbia, and presevo etc to kosovo?
why north kosovo, which is populated primarily by serbs stays in kosovo, while south serbia, which is populated primarily by albanians goes to kosovo in your solution?"

Yeah, I think that would be an acceptable solution. Of course, there are many other things to negotiate, and a miriad of details to consider, but a fair exchange of territory is in the ballpark of a solution. But Serbia would have to recognize at the end - otherwise what's the point?

Mary

pre 5 godina

Zip
I wish to address your comments to Armand concerning Kosova and the Presheva Valley. On the surface your suggestion sounds reasonable, however, you fail to take into consideration of penalties due Serbia for the death and destruction committed on Albanians and their properties. If you are unaware, over 100,000 homes were destroyed by Serb military, police and paramilitaries. Therefore, Serbia should lose all of Kosova as well as the Presheva Valley since I doubt it is realistic to expect Serbia to honor any legal judgement against her for compensation due Albanians.

zip

pre 5 godina

armand,
why not northern kosovo to serbia, and presevo etc to kosovo?
why north kosovo, which is populated primarily by serbs stays in kosovo, while south serbia, which is populated primarily by albanians goes to kosovo in your solution?

seems unbalanced, wouldn't you say?
and as such, how well do you honestly think it would work? unbalanced solutions lead to unbalanced populations and that leads to an eventual resetting of the balance, through whatever means are available at the time. why not strive for a balanced, more fair, final looking solution?

bert

pre 5 godina

albania, kosova, greece, new macedonia, montenegro need to take advantage of this and help each other. serbia is the black sheep in the balkans. they can have their dictators

Lol 3×

pre 5 godina

Sj now thats propaganda. I feel sorry for Serbia. Even reality is propaganda. But just to clarify it for you. A Lot of Iranians flew to Serbia but not the way back. They started ending in EU countries. And Yea sure there is borders so you havent heard the term illegal border crossings? But Serbia got the choice either you cancel that or we cancel your visa free travel to EU. Now we know how that ending as trump would say. Your a very weak country. Kosovo have had tariffs longer against Serbia than the all mighty Serbia dared play chicken against EU :)

Al

pre 5 godina

Macedonia is a mythical country created from the formation of Yugoslavia. Now that Yugoslavia no longer exists, the is a massive question mark about Macedonia existence

vari teneqen

pre 5 godina

So Albania AND Macedonia are anexing Kosov*? According to Serbian foreign pronouncements and Vulin, well it seems so. Is Vulin going to threaten with victimization of Serbia - you know, good ol’ PROVOKACIJA, and war? Serbia is the victim here, and always will be. That’s why it needs EU and Russian support, aka money.

sj

pre 5 godina

Zaev is a western appointed halfwit and one can see why they put him into power because buffoons like him are so easily controlled.
What exactly has Macedonia to gain with open borders? Trade? What trade? Apart from pepper production and a few food stuffs Macedonia has nothing to offer. Then we have Montenegro LOL. If you’re in the market for rocks then they have plenty and Albania is no better. The only one is Greece and gee the Greeks would love an open border so more Albos move in.
As far as this myth about Serbs being the cause of Iranians moving into the EU because of visa free travel with Serbia, the only way of getting into the EU from Serbia is through border crossings with Hungary and Croatia and last I was there, 3 years ago, you had to show your passport and get it stamped before entry so it’s the EU that is at fault not the Serbs. But why spoil a good propaganda story.

Lol 3×

pre 5 godina

Well Eu is all about open borders for the free movement of people and goods. And now others support this idea you cry to EU you think EU is like UN nobody carred about army and tax the cant do shit. This is the right policy. And true EU mentallaty. The greatest threat to illegal immigration is Serbia because they live in denial and offered visa free travels to Iranian nationals how did that work out? And to Just clarify if Kosovo voted for being part of Albania and they accepted then thats all right? When you say Crimea did it democratically? Kosovo could also arrange a New vote for independence but all know the results thats why they dont Even bother even Serbia knows this. And we can expect stiffradamus soon here telling us that even EU are against open borders wait and see you will Think this Lol guy was right.

Dpt. Of Provokacija and Shame

pre 5 godina

The title of the article reflects one sentence in the article. And that sentence is a journalist’s thought, not a stated fact. Quick, we need to complain to the UN, EU, Russia, Interpol. A special meeting needs to be held, because a Tanjug journalist is unhappy.

ari

pre 5 godina

ALL BALKAN COUNTRIES THAT HAVE MUTUAL RECOGNITION AND ARE PEACFULL SHOULD OPEN THEIR BORDERS ,BUT FIRST THEY HAVE TO TALK ABOUT TRADE EQUALITY . SO OPEN BORDERS SHOULD MEAN IF YOU SELL YOUR PRODUCTS IN MY COUNTRY I WILL SELL MY PRODUCTS IN YOUR COUNTRY.THESE ARE THE COUNTIES THAT SHOULD OPEN THEIR BORDERS.CROATIA,SLLOVENIA,MONTENEGRO,ALBANIA,KOSOVA,MAQEDONIA MAYBE GREECE AFTER THEY CLOSE THE DEAL WITH MAQEDONIA AND RECOGNISE KOSOVA.

Principa, Gracanica, kosovo & Metohija Srbija

pre 5 godina

Just need Milo and then Croatia to back it and the Greeks will open borders one way - outwards only to FYROM and Albania (onwards to Montenegro and EU Croatia) for all its illegal migrant issues to be solved. Rama said he will do this in March well let's see ...

Prishtina ( County of Gollak)

pre 5 godina

Smart Serb


Haha no neighbour likes you ,it is realy nice ,i like that very much ,your evil propaganda its dead ,kepp Greeceas a friend but remember ,you are not on the border with Greece,
Any way Greece or Suriname it is the same for us

Peter The Rocky Mountains

pre 5 godina

All you fools open your doors and borders to Albanians.
In 10 years you will be crying and Albanian will be the national language.
Serbs want rid of them.
Greece hate them.
Macedonia and Zaev can have them.
(Smart Serb, 4 January 2019 12:39)

😂 LOL, I say BRAVO,BRAVO TO SMART A.. SERBI, this is exactly what I like to hear as it shows me iwe have gotten under your radical-Serbian-skin!!!

Know, I would like to get the leadership of Croatia’s and Montenegro’s take on Rama’s remark, to see if they think it may be someone threatening or expansionist, I’m quite sure they would provide a similar response as Zaev!

What I would really like to see is Macedonia imposing 100% tariffs on all Serbian products as well and showing its support to Democratic-Kosova!!!

EU, asks radical-Serbia to align its policy against Russia and Serbia plays dumb? Now, let’s turn the table on radical-Serbia so she realizes there are consequences to be paid when you cooperate with the wrong side!!!

Smart Serb

pre 5 godina

All you fools open your doors and borders to Albanians.
In 10 years you will be crying and Albanian will be the national language.
Serbs want rid of them.
Greece hate them.
Macedonia and Zaev can have them.

Armand

pre 5 godina

I think opening the borders in the Balkans is a good idea. Here is why.

Free Movement in the Balkans would be good for the diaspora especially since so many of us live in the west and go home for the summer and spend alot of money. Alot of Albanians live in South Serbia and a lot of Serbs live in Kosova(North Mitrovica) It would easy a lot of tensions but for this to happend the Kosova - Serbia issues has to be solved first. Where in my opinion the best solution is Autonomy for Serbs in the North and Preshva Bujanoc go into Kosova. I don't see any other option. Serbia has to come to terms that Kosova is gone and Kosova has to come to terms that there is over 100k Serbs living in the North. I think if they both come to acceptance this. It will be better for all of us and the idea of taking down borders will be implemented in a way that is better then what it was in Yugoslavia days.

Principa, Gracanica, kosovo & Metohija Srbija

pre 5 godina

Maybe Zaev and Rama have not considered the EU response likely to an opening of all borders from Greece through to Germany - the likely destination of all illegal migrants plus the mass of peoples likely to join from the non EU countries in the south east of Europe that would immediately occur by their senseless talk.

Not sure what the EU electorate would make of this proposition by Rama and now backed by Zaev if fully considered just before EU parliamentary elections!

Merkel and Junckers et al perhaps would prefer these two stay very very quite with their dumbfounded positions and need to nip this now or else the flood gates will be open in spring.

Vucic should openly ask his EU friends if they consider Rama and Zaev credible when they suggest such an influx on EU.

bert

pre 5 godina

albania, kosova, greece, new macedonia, montenegro need to take advantage of this and help each other. serbia is the black sheep in the balkans. they can have their dictators

ari

pre 5 godina

ALL BALKAN COUNTRIES THAT HAVE MUTUAL RECOGNITION AND ARE PEACFULL SHOULD OPEN THEIR BORDERS ,BUT FIRST THEY HAVE TO TALK ABOUT TRADE EQUALITY . SO OPEN BORDERS SHOULD MEAN IF YOU SELL YOUR PRODUCTS IN MY COUNTRY I WILL SELL MY PRODUCTS IN YOUR COUNTRY.THESE ARE THE COUNTIES THAT SHOULD OPEN THEIR BORDERS.CROATIA,SLLOVENIA,MONTENEGRO,ALBANIA,KOSOVA,MAQEDONIA MAYBE GREECE AFTER THEY CLOSE THE DEAL WITH MAQEDONIA AND RECOGNISE KOSOVA.

Prishtina ( County of Gollak)

pre 5 godina

Smart Serb


Haha no neighbour likes you ,it is realy nice ,i like that very much ,your evil propaganda its dead ,kepp Greeceas a friend but remember ,you are not on the border with Greece,
Any way Greece or Suriname it is the same for us

Peter The Rocky Mountains

pre 5 godina

All you fools open your doors and borders to Albanians.
In 10 years you will be crying and Albanian will be the national language.
Serbs want rid of them.
Greece hate them.
Macedonia and Zaev can have them.
(Smart Serb, 4 January 2019 12:39)

😂 LOL, I say BRAVO,BRAVO TO SMART A.. SERBI, this is exactly what I like to hear as it shows me iwe have gotten under your radical-Serbian-skin!!!

Know, I would like to get the leadership of Croatia’s and Montenegro’s take on Rama’s remark, to see if they think it may be someone threatening or expansionist, I’m quite sure they would provide a similar response as Zaev!

What I would really like to see is Macedonia imposing 100% tariffs on all Serbian products as well and showing its support to Democratic-Kosova!!!

EU, asks radical-Serbia to align its policy against Russia and Serbia plays dumb? Now, let’s turn the table on radical-Serbia so she realizes there are consequences to be paid when you cooperate with the wrong side!!!

sj

pre 5 godina

Zaev is a western appointed halfwit and one can see why they put him into power because buffoons like him are so easily controlled.
What exactly has Macedonia to gain with open borders? Trade? What trade? Apart from pepper production and a few food stuffs Macedonia has nothing to offer. Then we have Montenegro LOL. If you’re in the market for rocks then they have plenty and Albania is no better. The only one is Greece and gee the Greeks would love an open border so more Albos move in.
As far as this myth about Serbs being the cause of Iranians moving into the EU because of visa free travel with Serbia, the only way of getting into the EU from Serbia is through border crossings with Hungary and Croatia and last I was there, 3 years ago, you had to show your passport and get it stamped before entry so it’s the EU that is at fault not the Serbs. But why spoil a good propaganda story.

vari teneqen

pre 5 godina

So Albania AND Macedonia are anexing Kosov*? According to Serbian foreign pronouncements and Vulin, well it seems so. Is Vulin going to threaten with victimization of Serbia - you know, good ol’ PROVOKACIJA, and war? Serbia is the victim here, and always will be. That’s why it needs EU and Russian support, aka money.

Smart Serb

pre 5 godina

All you fools open your doors and borders to Albanians.
In 10 years you will be crying and Albanian will be the national language.
Serbs want rid of them.
Greece hate them.
Macedonia and Zaev can have them.

Lol 3×

pre 5 godina

Sj now thats propaganda. I feel sorry for Serbia. Even reality is propaganda. But just to clarify it for you. A Lot of Iranians flew to Serbia but not the way back. They started ending in EU countries. And Yea sure there is borders so you havent heard the term illegal border crossings? But Serbia got the choice either you cancel that or we cancel your visa free travel to EU. Now we know how that ending as trump would say. Your a very weak country. Kosovo have had tariffs longer against Serbia than the all mighty Serbia dared play chicken against EU :)

Mary

pre 5 godina

Zip
I wish to address your comments to Armand concerning Kosova and the Presheva Valley. On the surface your suggestion sounds reasonable, however, you fail to take into consideration of penalties due Serbia for the death and destruction committed on Albanians and their properties. If you are unaware, over 100,000 homes were destroyed by Serb military, police and paramilitaries. Therefore, Serbia should lose all of Kosova as well as the Presheva Valley since I doubt it is realistic to expect Serbia to honor any legal judgement against her for compensation due Albanians.

Armand

pre 5 godina

I think opening the borders in the Balkans is a good idea. Here is why.

Free Movement in the Balkans would be good for the diaspora especially since so many of us live in the west and go home for the summer and spend alot of money. Alot of Albanians live in South Serbia and a lot of Serbs live in Kosova(North Mitrovica) It would easy a lot of tensions but for this to happend the Kosova - Serbia issues has to be solved first. Where in my opinion the best solution is Autonomy for Serbs in the North and Preshva Bujanoc go into Kosova. I don't see any other option. Serbia has to come to terms that Kosova is gone and Kosova has to come to terms that there is over 100k Serbs living in the North. I think if they both come to acceptance this. It will be better for all of us and the idea of taking down borders will be implemented in a way that is better then what it was in Yugoslavia days.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

zip: "why not northern kosovo to serbia, and presevo etc to kosovo?
why north kosovo, which is populated primarily by serbs stays in kosovo, while south serbia, which is populated primarily by albanians goes to kosovo in your solution?"

Yeah, I think that would be an acceptable solution. Of course, there are many other things to negotiate, and a miriad of details to consider, but a fair exchange of territory is in the ballpark of a solution. But Serbia would have to recognize at the end - otherwise what's the point?

Al

pre 5 godina

Macedonia is a mythical country created from the formation of Yugoslavia. Now that Yugoslavia no longer exists, the is a massive question mark about Macedonia existence

Principa, Gracanica, kosovo & Metohija Srbija

pre 5 godina

Maybe Zaev and Rama have not considered the EU response likely to an opening of all borders from Greece through to Germany - the likely destination of all illegal migrants plus the mass of peoples likely to join from the non EU countries in the south east of Europe that would immediately occur by their senseless talk.

Not sure what the EU electorate would make of this proposition by Rama and now backed by Zaev if fully considered just before EU parliamentary elections!

Merkel and Junckers et al perhaps would prefer these two stay very very quite with their dumbfounded positions and need to nip this now or else the flood gates will be open in spring.

Vucic should openly ask his EU friends if they consider Rama and Zaev credible when they suggest such an influx on EU.

Lol 3×

pre 5 godina

Well Eu is all about open borders for the free movement of people and goods. And now others support this idea you cry to EU you think EU is like UN nobody carred about army and tax the cant do shit. This is the right policy. And true EU mentallaty. The greatest threat to illegal immigration is Serbia because they live in denial and offered visa free travels to Iranian nationals how did that work out? And to Just clarify if Kosovo voted for being part of Albania and they accepted then thats all right? When you say Crimea did it democratically? Kosovo could also arrange a New vote for independence but all know the results thats why they dont Even bother even Serbia knows this. And we can expect stiffradamus soon here telling us that even EU are against open borders wait and see you will Think this Lol guy was right.

Dpt. Of Provokacija and Shame

pre 5 godina

The title of the article reflects one sentence in the article. And that sentence is a journalist’s thought, not a stated fact. Quick, we need to complain to the UN, EU, Russia, Interpol. A special meeting needs to be held, because a Tanjug journalist is unhappy.

Principa, Gracanica, kosovo & Metohija Srbija

pre 5 godina

Just need Milo and then Croatia to back it and the Greeks will open borders one way - outwards only to FYROM and Albania (onwards to Montenegro and EU Croatia) for all its illegal migrant issues to be solved. Rama said he will do this in March well let's see ...

BLACK EAGLE

pre 5 godina

Guys can you please stop blaming each other for a while and enjoy your short lifes and specially the freedom of movement otherwise god will punish us with isolation. For god sake is the begging New Year now and leave politics alone.

Happy Year and good luck for everyone.

Cheers dudes.

Lenard

pre 5 godina

Good fences and border controls make for good neighbors. If they still don't get it a strong armed forces to kick the dumb asses.

If you don't believe me just ask any Croat or Albanian

pre 5 godina

No EU country can open its the border without the consent of Brussels and the other EU countries.
(Contractor, 4 January 2019 13:53)

If you are cannon fodder for Russia you can do almost anything and Brussels will turn
the blind eye. Now that's a proven fact and the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

zip

pre 5 godina

armand,
why not northern kosovo to serbia, and presevo etc to kosovo?
why north kosovo, which is populated primarily by serbs stays in kosovo, while south serbia, which is populated primarily by albanians goes to kosovo in your solution?

seems unbalanced, wouldn't you say?
and as such, how well do you honestly think it would work? unbalanced solutions lead to unbalanced populations and that leads to an eventual resetting of the balance, through whatever means are available at the time. why not strive for a balanced, more fair, final looking solution?

pizza guy

pre 5 godina

albania, kosova, greece, new macedonia, montenegro need to take advantage of this and help each other. serbia is the black sheep in the balkans. they can have their dictators
(bert, 4 January 2019 16:58)

Are you the same bert that advised Madonna to get her butt enlarged by the same quack that enlarged Rocky's and roberto's behinds?? If you are, you need to quit advising.

123viç

pre 5 godina

It’s “MontenegrA” god damn it. All balkan countires are feminine. Now pass the by/orek with beef, some of that with cheese and spinach, and some rakiA. Hajde gëzuar.

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

@Albanopolis: yes, a split is the best option at the moment. But it would be opposed by many albanoan and serbian nationalists that want to have revange or want to feel like they have the rule over some of the other group.
There are many serbs that hardly care about Kosovo, they have enough problems with paying bills and feeding there families.
The politicians at power in Belgrade and Pristina are the problem. This are at the moment warlords and warsupporters from the 90s that would have problems to stay at power afterwards.

diaspora

pre 5 godina

wake up... both the Macedonian and Albanian PM's are just deflecting public attention away from there corrupt administrations by raising public debate about open borders... the whole Balkans is (and has been for at least the last 30 years) been suffering from high unemployment, low average income, negative income growth (relative to inflation), corruption, cronyism, and population decline. but lets not wast time taking about those topics, let divert the conversation to 'open boarders' because that will solve everything and lets not wast time talking about the high unemployment, corruption and population decline in Albania, Macedonia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Montenegro, BiH.

sj

pre 5 godina

(Lol 3×, 4 January 2019 15:32)

The question is “Just how dumb are you?”
The Iranians could not illegally cross over in Hungary or Croatia using Serbia since its very heavily patrolled to stop the current lot of refugees from entering the EU. They can’t cross into Croatia from BiH for the same reason.
A group of Iranians were stopped in a boat off the coast of the UK in the English Channel and I suppose Serbia was also at fault there LOL. Please stop playing with it.
We you at the conference when the EU threatened Serbia with visa cancellations? What chair did you occupy at this meeting? Since you were there what happened to visa free travel for Kosova? Its in Serbia’s interest to stop the Iranians because if they can’t enter the EU some could then seek asylum and be stuck with them.
Yep Serbia is a weak country, in fact so weak it has not, and never will recognise Kosova and you are a very dumb individual if you think your tariffs are hurting Serbia. My God you people are delusional; legends in your own mind LOL. This Kosova must be an economic miracle where its powers are far beyond anyone could imagine. That’s why well over 1 million have left so far because of that miracle LOL.

zip

pre 5 godina

@mary,
"If you are unaware, over 100,000 homes were destroyed by Serb military, police and paramilitaries"

perhaps you are now aware that since these 100,000 homes were destroyed 250,000 serbs were expelled, hundreds of religious buildings destroyed or desecrated.
seems that "payback" has already been dealt.
ethic populations show that since 1991 albanian majority went from 81% to 93%, where as serb minority went from 10% to 1.5%. since 1948 it was 69% albanian majority to 24% serbian minority

in 70 years albanian population quadrupled, were as serbian stayed relatively constant until recently were it was cut to 15% of what it was in 20 years. that is a very evident, non-political, but numbers based display of evidence to ethnic cleansing. the other way around cannot be supported by the numbers.

so again, why an unbalanced solution?
why do you wish to push for one instead of trying to understand the imbalance?

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

Zip: "250,000 serbs were expelled"

Zip, according to Yugoslav statistics, there were only 190,000 Serbs in Kosova in 1991. There are still about 100,000, so there could not possibly be 250k Serbs expelled.

Serb statistics of Serbs that have left Kosova, also includes Serbs from Krajina, that were sent there by Slobodan Milosevic, but they were not Kosova residents.

Mary

pre 5 godina

Princip @ 4 Jan. 2019 11:54

Princip,
If you wish Vucic to question the credibility of others (Rama and Zaev), then he, himself, must have credibility. Think before you speak, if you wish to avoid embarrassing yourself.

Chi

pre 5 godina

@mary,
"If you are unaware, over 100,000 homes were destroyed by Serb military, police and paramilitaries"

perhaps you are now aware that since these 100,000 homes were destroyed 250,000 serbs were expelled, hundreds of religious buildings destroyed or desecrated.
seems that "payback" has already been dealt.
ethic populations show that since 1991 albanian majority went from 81% to 93%, where as serb minority went from 10% to 1.5%. since 1948 it was 69% albanian majority to 24% serbian minority

in 70 years albanian population quadrupled, were as serbian stayed relatively constant until recently were it was cut to 15% of what it was in 20 years. that is a very evident, non-political, but numbers based display of evidence to ethnic cleansing. the other way around cannot be supported by the numbers.

so again, why an unbalanced solution?
why do you wish to push for one instead of trying to understand the imbalance?
(zip, 7 January 2019 20:01)

Zip, that was the Albo's modus operandi... under Tito, and his underhanded deals with the Albanians, he allowed and financially supported them. That's what allowed them to overbreed the territory of KiM. Their women should be praised for the IRON UTERi since they were popping out 12-15 kids per family. Now their birth rate is the same as the Serbs, but they're moving out in bigger numbers to the West - so, their population is severely declining.

Smart Serb

pre 5 godina

All you fools open your doors and borders to Albanians.
In 10 years you will be crying and Albanian will be the national language.
Serbs want rid of them.
Greece hate them.
Macedonia and Zaev can have them.

sj

pre 5 godina

Zaev is a western appointed halfwit and one can see why they put him into power because buffoons like him are so easily controlled.
What exactly has Macedonia to gain with open borders? Trade? What trade? Apart from pepper production and a few food stuffs Macedonia has nothing to offer. Then we have Montenegro LOL. If you’re in the market for rocks then they have plenty and Albania is no better. The only one is Greece and gee the Greeks would love an open border so more Albos move in.
As far as this myth about Serbs being the cause of Iranians moving into the EU because of visa free travel with Serbia, the only way of getting into the EU from Serbia is through border crossings with Hungary and Croatia and last I was there, 3 years ago, you had to show your passport and get it stamped before entry so it’s the EU that is at fault not the Serbs. But why spoil a good propaganda story.

Principa, Gracanica, kosovo & Metohija Srbija

pre 5 godina

Maybe Zaev and Rama have not considered the EU response likely to an opening of all borders from Greece through to Germany - the likely destination of all illegal migrants plus the mass of peoples likely to join from the non EU countries in the south east of Europe that would immediately occur by their senseless talk.

Not sure what the EU electorate would make of this proposition by Rama and now backed by Zaev if fully considered just before EU parliamentary elections!

Merkel and Junckers et al perhaps would prefer these two stay very very quite with their dumbfounded positions and need to nip this now or else the flood gates will be open in spring.

Vucic should openly ask his EU friends if they consider Rama and Zaev credible when they suggest such an influx on EU.

Armand

pre 5 godina

I think opening the borders in the Balkans is a good idea. Here is why.

Free Movement in the Balkans would be good for the diaspora especially since so many of us live in the west and go home for the summer and spend alot of money. Alot of Albanians live in South Serbia and a lot of Serbs live in Kosova(North Mitrovica) It would easy a lot of tensions but for this to happend the Kosova - Serbia issues has to be solved first. Where in my opinion the best solution is Autonomy for Serbs in the North and Preshva Bujanoc go into Kosova. I don't see any other option. Serbia has to come to terms that Kosova is gone and Kosova has to come to terms that there is over 100k Serbs living in the North. I think if they both come to acceptance this. It will be better for all of us and the idea of taking down borders will be implemented in a way that is better then what it was in Yugoslavia days.

Prishtina ( County of Gollak)

pre 5 godina

Smart Serb


Haha no neighbour likes you ,it is realy nice ,i like that very much ,your evil propaganda its dead ,kepp Greeceas a friend but remember ,you are not on the border with Greece,
Any way Greece or Suriname it is the same for us

Peter The Rocky Mountains

pre 5 godina

All you fools open your doors and borders to Albanians.
In 10 years you will be crying and Albanian will be the national language.
Serbs want rid of them.
Greece hate them.
Macedonia and Zaev can have them.
(Smart Serb, 4 January 2019 12:39)

😂 LOL, I say BRAVO,BRAVO TO SMART A.. SERBI, this is exactly what I like to hear as it shows me iwe have gotten under your radical-Serbian-skin!!!

Know, I would like to get the leadership of Croatia’s and Montenegro’s take on Rama’s remark, to see if they think it may be someone threatening or expansionist, I’m quite sure they would provide a similar response as Zaev!

What I would really like to see is Macedonia imposing 100% tariffs on all Serbian products as well and showing its support to Democratic-Kosova!!!

EU, asks radical-Serbia to align its policy against Russia and Serbia plays dumb? Now, let’s turn the table on radical-Serbia so she realizes there are consequences to be paid when you cooperate with the wrong side!!!

Principa, Gracanica, kosovo & Metohija Srbija

pre 5 godina

Just need Milo and then Croatia to back it and the Greeks will open borders one way - outwards only to FYROM and Albania (onwards to Montenegro and EU Croatia) for all its illegal migrant issues to be solved. Rama said he will do this in March well let's see ...

ari

pre 5 godina

ALL BALKAN COUNTRIES THAT HAVE MUTUAL RECOGNITION AND ARE PEACFULL SHOULD OPEN THEIR BORDERS ,BUT FIRST THEY HAVE TO TALK ABOUT TRADE EQUALITY . SO OPEN BORDERS SHOULD MEAN IF YOU SELL YOUR PRODUCTS IN MY COUNTRY I WILL SELL MY PRODUCTS IN YOUR COUNTRY.THESE ARE THE COUNTIES THAT SHOULD OPEN THEIR BORDERS.CROATIA,SLLOVENIA,MONTENEGRO,ALBANIA,KOSOVA,MAQEDONIA MAYBE GREECE AFTER THEY CLOSE THE DEAL WITH MAQEDONIA AND RECOGNISE KOSOVA.

Al

pre 5 godina

Macedonia is a mythical country created from the formation of Yugoslavia. Now that Yugoslavia no longer exists, the is a massive question mark about Macedonia existence

vari teneqen

pre 5 godina

So Albania AND Macedonia are anexing Kosov*? According to Serbian foreign pronouncements and Vulin, well it seems so. Is Vulin going to threaten with victimization of Serbia - you know, good ol’ PROVOKACIJA, and war? Serbia is the victim here, and always will be. That’s why it needs EU and Russian support, aka money.

bert

pre 5 godina

albania, kosova, greece, new macedonia, montenegro need to take advantage of this and help each other. serbia is the black sheep in the balkans. they can have their dictators

Mary

pre 5 godina

Zip
I wish to address your comments to Armand concerning Kosova and the Presheva Valley. On the surface your suggestion sounds reasonable, however, you fail to take into consideration of penalties due Serbia for the death and destruction committed on Albanians and their properties. If you are unaware, over 100,000 homes were destroyed by Serb military, police and paramilitaries. Therefore, Serbia should lose all of Kosova as well as the Presheva Valley since I doubt it is realistic to expect Serbia to honor any legal judgement against her for compensation due Albanians.

Dpt. Of Provokacija and Shame

pre 5 godina

The title of the article reflects one sentence in the article. And that sentence is a journalist’s thought, not a stated fact. Quick, we need to complain to the UN, EU, Russia, Interpol. A special meeting needs to be held, because a Tanjug journalist is unhappy.

zip

pre 5 godina

armand,
why not northern kosovo to serbia, and presevo etc to kosovo?
why north kosovo, which is populated primarily by serbs stays in kosovo, while south serbia, which is populated primarily by albanians goes to kosovo in your solution?

seems unbalanced, wouldn't you say?
and as such, how well do you honestly think it would work? unbalanced solutions lead to unbalanced populations and that leads to an eventual resetting of the balance, through whatever means are available at the time. why not strive for a balanced, more fair, final looking solution?

pizza guy

pre 5 godina

albania, kosova, greece, new macedonia, montenegro need to take advantage of this and help each other. serbia is the black sheep in the balkans. they can have their dictators
(bert, 4 January 2019 16:58)

Are you the same bert that advised Madonna to get her butt enlarged by the same quack that enlarged Rocky's and roberto's behinds?? If you are, you need to quit advising.

Lol 3×

pre 5 godina

Well Eu is all about open borders for the free movement of people and goods. And now others support this idea you cry to EU you think EU is like UN nobody carred about army and tax the cant do shit. This is the right policy. And true EU mentallaty. The greatest threat to illegal immigration is Serbia because they live in denial and offered visa free travels to Iranian nationals how did that work out? And to Just clarify if Kosovo voted for being part of Albania and they accepted then thats all right? When you say Crimea did it democratically? Kosovo could also arrange a New vote for independence but all know the results thats why they dont Even bother even Serbia knows this. And we can expect stiffradamus soon here telling us that even EU are against open borders wait and see you will Think this Lol guy was right.

Lol 3×

pre 5 godina

Sj now thats propaganda. I feel sorry for Serbia. Even reality is propaganda. But just to clarify it for you. A Lot of Iranians flew to Serbia but not the way back. They started ending in EU countries. And Yea sure there is borders so you havent heard the term illegal border crossings? But Serbia got the choice either you cancel that or we cancel your visa free travel to EU. Now we know how that ending as trump would say. Your a very weak country. Kosovo have had tariffs longer against Serbia than the all mighty Serbia dared play chicken against EU :)

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

zip: "why not northern kosovo to serbia, and presevo etc to kosovo?
why north kosovo, which is populated primarily by serbs stays in kosovo, while south serbia, which is populated primarily by albanians goes to kosovo in your solution?"

Yeah, I think that would be an acceptable solution. Of course, there are many other things to negotiate, and a miriad of details to consider, but a fair exchange of territory is in the ballpark of a solution. But Serbia would have to recognize at the end - otherwise what's the point?

diaspora

pre 5 godina

wake up... both the Macedonian and Albanian PM's are just deflecting public attention away from there corrupt administrations by raising public debate about open borders... the whole Balkans is (and has been for at least the last 30 years) been suffering from high unemployment, low average income, negative income growth (relative to inflation), corruption, cronyism, and population decline. but lets not wast time taking about those topics, let divert the conversation to 'open boarders' because that will solve everything and lets not wast time talking about the high unemployment, corruption and population decline in Albania, Macedonia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Montenegro, BiH.

Lenard

pre 5 godina

Good fences and border controls make for good neighbors. If they still don't get it a strong armed forces to kick the dumb asses.

BLACK EAGLE

pre 5 godina

Guys can you please stop blaming each other for a while and enjoy your short lifes and specially the freedom of movement otherwise god will punish us with isolation. For god sake is the begging New Year now and leave politics alone.

Happy Year and good luck for everyone.

Cheers dudes.

If you don't believe me just ask any Croat or Albanian

pre 5 godina

No EU country can open its the border without the consent of Brussels and the other EU countries.
(Contractor, 4 January 2019 13:53)

If you are cannon fodder for Russia you can do almost anything and Brussels will turn
the blind eye. Now that's a proven fact and the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Tito reloaded

pre 5 godina

@Albanopolis: yes, a split is the best option at the moment. But it would be opposed by many albanoan and serbian nationalists that want to have revange or want to feel like they have the rule over some of the other group.
There are many serbs that hardly care about Kosovo, they have enough problems with paying bills and feeding there families.
The politicians at power in Belgrade and Pristina are the problem. This are at the moment warlords and warsupporters from the 90s that would have problems to stay at power afterwards.

sj

pre 5 godina

(Lol 3×, 4 January 2019 15:32)

The question is “Just how dumb are you?”
The Iranians could not illegally cross over in Hungary or Croatia using Serbia since its very heavily patrolled to stop the current lot of refugees from entering the EU. They can’t cross into Croatia from BiH for the same reason.
A group of Iranians were stopped in a boat off the coast of the UK in the English Channel and I suppose Serbia was also at fault there LOL. Please stop playing with it.
We you at the conference when the EU threatened Serbia with visa cancellations? What chair did you occupy at this meeting? Since you were there what happened to visa free travel for Kosova? Its in Serbia’s interest to stop the Iranians because if they can’t enter the EU some could then seek asylum and be stuck with them.
Yep Serbia is a weak country, in fact so weak it has not, and never will recognise Kosova and you are a very dumb individual if you think your tariffs are hurting Serbia. My God you people are delusional; legends in your own mind LOL. This Kosova must be an economic miracle where its powers are far beyond anyone could imagine. That’s why well over 1 million have left so far because of that miracle LOL.

zip

pre 5 godina

@mary,
"If you are unaware, over 100,000 homes were destroyed by Serb military, police and paramilitaries"

perhaps you are now aware that since these 100,000 homes were destroyed 250,000 serbs were expelled, hundreds of religious buildings destroyed or desecrated.
seems that "payback" has already been dealt.
ethic populations show that since 1991 albanian majority went from 81% to 93%, where as serb minority went from 10% to 1.5%. since 1948 it was 69% albanian majority to 24% serbian minority

in 70 years albanian population quadrupled, were as serbian stayed relatively constant until recently were it was cut to 15% of what it was in 20 years. that is a very evident, non-political, but numbers based display of evidence to ethnic cleansing. the other way around cannot be supported by the numbers.

so again, why an unbalanced solution?
why do you wish to push for one instead of trying to understand the imbalance?

123viç

pre 5 godina

It’s “MontenegrA” god damn it. All balkan countires are feminine. Now pass the by/orek with beef, some of that with cheese and spinach, and some rakiA. Hajde gëzuar.

Chi

pre 5 godina

@mary,
"If you are unaware, over 100,000 homes were destroyed by Serb military, police and paramilitaries"

perhaps you are now aware that since these 100,000 homes were destroyed 250,000 serbs were expelled, hundreds of religious buildings destroyed or desecrated.
seems that "payback" has already been dealt.
ethic populations show that since 1991 albanian majority went from 81% to 93%, where as serb minority went from 10% to 1.5%. since 1948 it was 69% albanian majority to 24% serbian minority

in 70 years albanian population quadrupled, were as serbian stayed relatively constant until recently were it was cut to 15% of what it was in 20 years. that is a very evident, non-political, but numbers based display of evidence to ethnic cleansing. the other way around cannot be supported by the numbers.

so again, why an unbalanced solution?
why do you wish to push for one instead of trying to understand the imbalance?
(zip, 7 January 2019 20:01)

Zip, that was the Albo's modus operandi... under Tito, and his underhanded deals with the Albanians, he allowed and financially supported them. That's what allowed them to overbreed the territory of KiM. Their women should be praised for the IRON UTERi since they were popping out 12-15 kids per family. Now their birth rate is the same as the Serbs, but they're moving out in bigger numbers to the West - so, their population is severely declining.

Mary

pre 5 godina

Princip @ 4 Jan. 2019 11:54

Princip,
If you wish Vucic to question the credibility of others (Rama and Zaev), then he, himself, must have credibility. Think before you speak, if you wish to avoid embarrassing yourself.

Albanopolis

pre 5 godina

Zip: "250,000 serbs were expelled"

Zip, according to Yugoslav statistics, there were only 190,000 Serbs in Kosova in 1991. There are still about 100,000, so there could not possibly be 250k Serbs expelled.

Serb statistics of Serbs that have left Kosova, also includes Serbs from Krajina, that were sent there by Slobodan Milosevic, but they were not Kosova residents.